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(Hardball Talk)   Manny Machado wins the Platinum Glove Award as best defensive player in the American League. Orioles immediately send in pinch runner to pick up the trophy   (hardballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 17
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2013-11-09 09:35:27 AM
3 Gold Gloves + 3 Silver Sluggers +1 Platinum Glove = No playoffs.

Can't wait to see how many of those guys don't get re-signed.
 
2013-11-09 09:50:10 AM

INeedAName: Can't wait to see how many of those guys don't get re-signed.


The entire pitching staff save Tillman?
 
2013-11-09 10:03:53 AM

INeedAName: 3 Gold Gloves + 3 Silver Sluggers +1 Platinum Glove = No playoffs.

Can't wait to see how many of those guys don't get re-signed.


The conclusion here should probably be "Hey, maybe these awards aren't actually that great," though "God the pitching staff was terrible" works too.

Honestly, only Chris Davis' SS and Machado's Gloves were clearly correct, with Adam Jones' Glove being the worst of the year. The others were all barely acceptable but still probably wrong.
 
2013-11-09 10:43:47 AM

INeedAName: 3 Gold Gloves + 3 Silver Sluggers +1 Platinum Glove = No playoffs.

Can't wait to see how many of those guys don't get re-signed.


And the Oakland Athletics won a grand total of 0 awards. And had to have a couple of All-Stars drop out just to get represented on the AS team.
 
2013-11-09 11:01:45 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: And the Oakland Athletics won a grand total of 0 awards.


Clearly, instead of "walking" and "scoring runs" they should've just hit a bunch of homers.
 
2013-11-09 11:15:35 AM

DeWayne Mann: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: And the Oakland Athletics won a grand total of 0 awards.

Clearly, instead of "walking" and "scoring runs" they should've just hit a bunch of homers.


I have to admit that the A's had no stand-out absolute bests in any category. Josh Donaldson is amazing, and is going to be an All-Star for many years, but Manny Machado is otherworldly. And Josh Reddick is the best right fielder defensively I've seen since Roberto Clemente, but Shane Victorino deserved the Gold Glove for that position this year. Otherwise, the A's are just above average in most phases of the game. They sure a a fun team to follow, though. If they deserve any award, I'd vote for Billy Beane for Executive of the Year.
 
2013-11-09 11:16:43 AM
As an Orioles fan, while Adam Jones' GG was a farce this year, Machado clearly wasn't, and definitely deserves the Platinum Glove.  Here's hoping Baltimore gives Hardy an extension this offseason to keep the best left side of the infield in baseball together.

/Now Machado just needs to learn how to take a walk and drop out of the Adam Jones school for hitting
 
2013-11-09 11:24:55 AM
Is the Platinum Glove award new? I've never heard of it before.

[... RsTFA ...] oh, it's been around 3 years.
 
2013-11-09 11:25:23 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I have to admit that the A's had no stand-out absolute bests in any category. Josh Donaldson is amazing, and is going to be an All-Star for many years, but Manny Machado is otherworldly. And Josh Reddick is the best right fielder defensively I've seen since Roberto Clemente, but Shane Victorino deserved the Gold Glove for that position this year. Otherwise, the A's are just above average in most phases of the game. They sure a a fun team to follow, though. If they deserve any award, I'd vote for Billy Beane for Executive of the Year.


Lowrie was absolutely the best hitting SS in the AL this year. But he strikes out a bit more than most of the others and had fewer HR than Hardy, so...
 
2013-11-09 11:32:13 AM
Only another 14 years to go then.
 
2013-11-09 11:50:18 AM

DeWayne Mann: Lowrie was absolutely the best hitting SS in the AL this year. But he strikes out a bit more than most of the others and had fewer HR than Hardy, so...


Lowrie has frustratingly Jeteresque range at SS, but he's a doubles machine. I think his natural position is 2B, and I really like Eric Sogard, but we gotta get stronger in the middle infield. We had a lot of hope for Grant Green, but he flopped when we brought him up. Poor kid played scared. He's since done well for the Angels, but he wouldn't have been a defensive improvement anyway.
 
2013-11-09 01:47:14 PM
As an Orioles fan and Jed Lowrie fantasy owner last year, I'll take Hardy over Lowrie.  You can pencil Hardy in for 25 HR and over 100 RBI.  Lowrie admittedly will have a higher OBP, but it sure seemed Lowrie's bat went to sleep for extended periods of time.  Hardy's a steady-eddie on the field to boot.
 
2013-11-09 03:27:18 PM
Good on him, really like what I've seen from Manny (don't get to watch too many orioles games), hope he continues to improve.
 
2013-11-09 04:41:11 PM
I find all the suggestions that 3 Gold Gloves for the Orioles too high a number to be an odd attitude.  This Orioles fielding unit was, by many measures, the best in the history of MLB (between that and the bats, no doubt pitching was a major weakness, as it has been for many years).  I was honestly surprised the team didn't end up with 4 GGs.
 
2013-11-09 05:49:25 PM

Konowalchuk22: As an Orioles fan and Jed Lowrie fantasy owner last year, I'll take Hardy over Lowrie.  You can pencil Hardy in for 25 HR and over 100 RBI.  Lowrie admittedly will have a higher OBP, but it sure seemed Lowrie's bat went to sleep for extended periods of time.  Hardy's a steady-eddie on the field to boot.


There's a few issues here, but let me concentrate on the big one. I'll requote it:

Konowalchuk22: it sure seemed Lowrie's bat went to sleep for extended periods of time.


This is why people like me stress looking at the stats instead of just going by how things seemed. Monthly breakdowns aren't a great way of looking at things, but here's Lowrie's slash line in every month:

Apr: .333/.409/.529
May: .258/.346/.312
June: .330/.386/.447
July: .245/.282/.388
Aug: .287/.325/.500
Sept/Oct: .283/.311/485

Yeah, May and July weren't great, but for a shortstop neither one was really bad.

Here's Hardy:

Apr: .202/.243/.327
May: .273/.304/.518
June: .324/.364/.520
Jul: .191/.250/.315
Aug: .276/.330/.483
Sept/Oct: .303/.339/.422

So...who had his bat go to sleep?

06Wahoo: This Orioles fielding unit was, by many measures, the best in the history of MLB


If by "many measures" you mean "measures based entirely on fielding percentage & errors", sure. But there's a lot of issues with using those to judge defense. The advanced metrics say they weren't even the best this year (though they were up there)

06Wahoo: I was honestly surprised the team didn't end up with 4 GGs.


You can't just say "oh, it should've been 4." Which 4 players should've gotten it? Hardy & Machado are fine, but who are the other two? Adam Jones was one of the worst defensive CFs in the league (again, by the advanced metrics). Should he just get one because the team as a whole was pretty good?
 
2013-11-09 07:21:17 PM
I agree Jones was based on nothing but history, but I think a string case could be made for Davis and Markakis.
 
2013-11-09 07:34:32 PM

Gecko Gingrich: I agree Jones was based on nothing but history, but I think a string case could be made for Davis and Markakis.


Chris Davis, UZR: -1.4
Chris Davis, DRS: -7

Markakis, UZR: -5.8
Markakis, DRS: -7

Compare to Jones:
Adam Jones, UZR: -7.9
Adam Jones, DRS: -2
 
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