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2013-11-09 07:35:05 AM
And a horticulture lab, and an electrical lab. Hell, the local community college used to be a great place to get an Associates' in a marketable skill, but it's turned into a transfer program for kids going on to a 4-year school. Great for college kids saving a few bucks, but the kids who aren't college material need a local place to learn something they can make money with.
 
2013-11-09 09:40:58 AM
We were just discussing this in terms of what men can do at home now (and I suppose women). I fix everything I can, remodel, work on my car some, and generally only hire out stuff like plumbing. As I get older I'm sure I'll do less but in the meantime I'm saving money. I can build basic stuff and do remodeling.

I'm surprised how many guys I know who don't do anything around the house. Fix a lamp? Nah, buy a new one. Repair the porch? Nah, Angie's list has a guy. And so on.
 
2013-11-09 09:48:03 AM
Shop class had a HUGE impact on my young life:  it was in this 7th Grade class that I first played Dungeons and Dragons.  Exiled from the "real boys" because of my quite reasonable terror of high speed cutting objects I and a few other nerds opened a red book and never looked back.
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I never learned to make a knife holder, but I did learn to run away from even a very young dragon.  In the 21st Century, THAT knowledge is far more useful than carpentry.
 
2013-11-09 10:36:57 AM
I wish I could go back and take more shop class. I'm pretty handy as it is, but I could always use more. Hmm...I wonder if they have shop classes at the community college.
 
2013-11-09 10:46:12 AM
Yup, yup, yup, I'd have never had my career if weren't for Electronics Lab.  Sure I got a college degree, but the knowledge of circuits and rudimentary programming made me excel in my field beyond my contemporaries.
 
2013-11-09 10:48:51 AM
I wish I'd taken shop class.  That sh*t's far more useful in day to day life than (say) trigonometry.
 
2013-11-09 10:50:41 AM
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2013-11-09 10:51:21 AM
You mean they can't learn how to make bongs and drill out starter guns at home? Those were just the things the teacher made fun of guys for doing. Shop class was great. Now they don't want to see me in the shop at work. It usually means something has gone terribly wrong.
 
2013-11-09 10:52:19 AM
Become a plumber.
 
2013-11-09 10:52:29 AM
I liked shop class, but I preferred home ed.  I like cooking and baking, especially baking.  Never could get into sewing but I can do it.  I wonder if my generation is one of the last to have had shop/home ed classes?  I graduated in 1998 but we were all pushed into college, not vocational schools.
 
2013-11-09 10:52:38 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: I wish I'd taken shop class.  That sh*t's far more useful in day to day life than (say) trigonometry.


Until your kid asks you to cosine a loan - then what are you gonna do. Forgive my tangent
 
2013-11-09 10:52:43 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: I wish I'd taken shop class.  That sh*t's far more useful in day to day life than (say) trigonometry.


Ya know, you use a lot of trig when building things.
 
2013-11-09 10:52:48 AM
I made an ash tray and a coaster.  they looked very similar.
 
2013-11-09 10:52:59 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: I wish I'd taken shop class.  That sh*t's far more useful in day to day life than (say) trigonometry.


I use both daily. Maybe it's not true any more, but there was a time when even framers had a pretty solid grasp of basic trig. You can't build a straight house without it.
 
2013-11-09 10:54:03 AM
"shop class"? Surely you mean bittorrenting 3D printer files?
 
2013-11-09 10:54:06 AM
My woodworking teacher took it upon himself to teach up how to write checks, balance a checkbook, and he made us memorize our social security numbers. He helped me learn not to be afraid to use tools of all sorts and to just shut up and try things I'm scared of. The class was mandatory. I'm grateful.
 
2013-11-09 10:55:16 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: I wish I'd taken shop class.  That sh*t's far more useful in day to day life than (say) trigonometry.


I use trig every day.
 
2013-11-09 10:55:54 AM
I wish I'd taken it too, but my fear of loud cutting objects stopped me as well. But people don't use real wood all that much any more. I think I particle board assembly class sounds more realistic. Or maybe an IKEA furniture assembly class. You know how much Americans love their particle board!
 
2013-11-09 10:57:57 AM

justalittledonedout: You know how much Americans love their particle board!


The lack of shop class has caused that love, kids no longer learn the different types of wood.  Furniture comes in 3 types Wood, Plastic and Metal.
 
2013-11-09 10:58:11 AM
Home ec class was worth it just for the units on budgeting and sewing.  I've used that bit of knowledge about how to hem trouser legs and sew on buttons more times than I can count, and to this day I am fastidious about keeping track of my money.
 
2013-11-09 10:59:46 AM

Robo Beat: Home ec class was worth it just for the units on budgeting and sewing.  I've used that bit of knowledge about how to hem trouser legs and sew on buttons more times than I can count, and to this day I am fastidious about keeping track of my money.


Everyone should know how to sew on a button at the very least but I know this is not true.
 
2013-11-09 11:00:42 AM
The gov doesn't want you to be able to do things for yourselves or others without them getting a cut.
 
2013-11-09 11:02:40 AM
They teach kids to smoke crack.
 
2013-11-09 11:03:05 AM
I use everything I learned in shop and welding classes in high school throughout my life and built on those skills.  I visited my old high school after being in the Navy for a few years and found that the shop/welding/wood  building had been torn down and more class rooms were build instead.  They had no "shop" classes and still don't.  When I asked the principle why he said that it cost too much and kids got hurt.  In their place they put in class about teaching kids to be parents............yeah, how to "properly" raise a kid while living on hand outs, food stamps and welfare, no job skills because that would be just stupid.
 
2013-11-09 11:03:24 AM
Stuff I learned in high school that I are still useful 25 years later:

Touch typing (still 55 wpm) and 10 key pad touch typing

Stuff I never learned in school but desperately needed as a grown up and a home owner:

How to do stuff to my car: change tires (which I still can't do), change out the battery (which I can do!), check cables, etc

Plumbing: replace and/or repair a sink or sink faucet, or shower head

Electrical: replace a ceiling fan or light

Various home repair: put up dry wall, find a wall stud, electric drill and saw, etc. Know how to find the breaker and water shut off and how to use them

Cooking skills: everyone should know basic things, like boiling water or cooking an egg, how to properly use measuring cups and spoons


There ought to be a "practical" year long course in high school that everyone takes. This is just as important as math or PE or English class.
 
2013-11-09 11:05:20 AM
Shop classes were the only thing that made going to high school bearable.
 
2013-11-09 11:05:51 AM

Tom_Slick: Robo Beat: Home ec class was worth it just for the units on budgeting and sewing.  I've used that bit of knowledge about how to hem trouser legs and sew on buttons more times than I can count, and to this day I am fastidious about keeping track of my money.

Everyone should know how to sew on a button at the very least but I know this is not true.


I can rebuild a carb but I can't thread a needle. My car runs like a raped ape but my shirts are all unbuttoned.
 
2013-11-09 11:07:28 AM
We need a life skills class: how to change a tire, check the oil, and jump start your car! Learn how to bake a cake, bake a potato, and make an omelet. Balance a check book, fill out a 1040 EZ.
 
2013-11-09 11:09:10 AM

johnnieconnie: Stuff I learned in high school that I are still useful 25 years later:

Touch typing (still 55 wpm) and 10 key pad touch typing

Stuff I never learned in school but desperately needed as a grown up and a home owner:

How to do stuff to my car: change tires (which I still can't do), change out the battery (which I can do!), check cables, etc

Plumbing: replace and/or repair a sink or sink faucet, or shower head

Electrical: replace a ceiling fan or light

Various home repair: put up dry wall, find a wall stud, electric drill and saw, etc. Know how to find the breaker and water shut off and how to use them

Cooking skills: everyone should know basic things, like boiling water or cooking an egg, how to properly use measuring cups and spoons


There ought to be a "practical" year long course in high school that everyone takes. This is just as important as math or PE or English class.


Lol, did we go to school together?
 
2013-11-09 11:11:40 AM
Home Economics would be better, actually.

/hasn't driven a car in over 5 years
//shop class would have been completely pointless
 
2013-11-09 11:12:03 AM
The "shop" classes ought to be taught at Home Depot for post-graduates.
 
2013-11-09 11:14:29 AM

duffblue: Tom_Slick: Robo Beat: Home ec class was worth it just for the units on budgeting and sewing.  I've used that bit of knowledge about how to hem trouser legs and sew on buttons more times than I can count, and to this day I am fastidious about keeping track of my money.

Everyone should know how to sew on a button at the very least but I know this is not true.

I can rebuild a carb but I can't thread a needle. My car runs like a raped ape but my shirts are all unbuttoned.


Which is why mechanics wear coveralls.
 
2013-11-09 11:16:44 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Home Economics would be better, actually.

/hasn't driven a car in over 5 years
//shop class would have been completely pointless


So now I'm curious. How have you not driven in 5 years?
 
2013-11-09 11:17:28 AM

johnnieconnie: Cooking skills: everyone should know basic things, like boiling water or cooking an egg, how to properly use measuring cups and spoons


Life gets a whole lot better when you learn to saute things as well. And make a stew. And cook a steak.

Seriously, boiling water is useful, but it's about at the "tying your shoe" level of difficulty. Even easier if you use an electric kettle.

Cooking is not all that hard. And it's really quite useful in life- I really don't grasp how you can go through life without learning how to add heat to food properly.

duffblue: Tom_Slick: Robo Beat: Home ec class was worth it just for the units on budgeting and sewing.  I've used that bit of knowledge about how to hem trouser legs and sew on buttons more times than I can count, and to this day I am fastidious about keeping track of my money.

Everyone should know how to sew on a button at the very least but I know this is not true.

I can rebuild a carb but I can't thread a needle. My car runs like a raped ape but my shirts are all unbuttoned.


They make little needle threaders that make it easy for people with bad eyes.
 
2013-11-09 11:20:16 AM

justalittledonedout: The My Little Pony Killer: Home Economics would be better, actually.

/hasn't driven a car in over 5 years
//shop class would have been completely pointless

So now I'm curious. How have you not driven in 5 years?


I live in a neighborhood with a walk score of 89. Everything I need is within a few blocks radius of me. Everything else is a short bus or train ride away.

If you've made it into my neighborhood and you are still behind the wheel of a car, you are only making life more difficult for yourself.
 
2013-11-09 11:21:19 AM
My high school didn't even offer driver's ed - the insurance issues made it very expensive, and taking a course wasn't required in our state anyway.  I'm genuinely not sure if there were shop and home ec classes offered; I certainly never took any.

But I sew up my clothes when they tear and can cook a meal for six.  In the last year, though I live in a rented apartment (with a very lazy landlord), I've fixed the broken toilet and doorbell, rewired a power socket and a light switch, and re-insulated the attic.  In the past, I made some hourly pay via contract work helping to refurbish houses.  My current job is very academic and will never require me to use these skills in any way.

Now, I'll admit that I've badly shocked myself twice, though both times were when I already knew I was doing something stupid and went ahead and did it anyway.  But I feel like if you're curious and willing, you will figure out a way to manage the more difficult mechanics of daily life.  If you're not, then classes won't help.
 
2013-11-09 11:21:44 AM
Wish I'd taken home ec. as well as my shop classes.
 
2013-11-09 11:23:59 AM

raerae1980: I liked shop class, but I preferred home ed.  I like cooking and baking, especially baking.  Never could get into sewing but I can do it.  I wonder if my generation is one of the last to have had shop/home ed classes?  I graduated in 1998 but we were all pushed into college, not vocational schools.


Same deal for me, class of 1999.  The Vo-Tech kids were seen as "less than" somehow.  I know I will be pushing my son towards some kind of technical trade.  My degree means shiat right now.
 
2013-11-09 11:26:48 AM

EatenTheSun: Rev. Skarekroe: I wish I'd taken shop class.  That sh*t's far more useful in day to day life than (say) trigonometry.

Ya know, you use a lot of trig when building things.

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KIds would learn trig much faster if it was presented as solving practical problems, like figuring the angle of roof rafters.  Instead it's presented as dry theory, by people who probably never drove a nail in their entire life.
 
2013-11-09 11:29:28 AM

spentshells: The gov big business   doesn't want you to be able to do things for yourselves or others without them getting a cut.


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FIFY
 
2013-11-09 11:31:36 AM
Oh, sure, put kids in a class they might light to make a career out of.  How are they going to learn to fill out computer bubbles with a number 2 pencil?
 
2013-11-09 11:34:00 AM

EatenTheSun: Rev. Skarekroe: I wish I'd taken shop class.  That sh*t's far more useful in day to day life than (say) trigonometry.

Ya know, you use a lot of trig when building things.


You are not fooling anyone, Sarah Palin.
 
2013-11-09 11:40:33 AM
I took the college prep course in high school (early 80s), but I took shop classes as my electives..instead of art or music.  So in addition to chem, physics, biology, etc, I took basic electronics, wood shop, auto shop and metal shop.   The kids in my college prep classes thought I crazy.  One kid asked me about metal shop,  "Do you get your hands dirty?"  The kids in my shop classes...most of them had been steered into shop class by their guidance counselors because they were not "college material"....couldn't figure out why I was taking the "loser" classes.

A couple years after I graduated, the school removed all the shop classes and replaced them with computer labs and TV/Radio studios.

BTW, I have a friend who is a welder.  Recently his company needed to hire 30 new welders.  To find 30 competent welders, they needed to test over 400 applicants.   The new welders start at $25/hr with benefits.
 
2013-11-09 11:41:13 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: justalittledonedout: The My Little Pony Killer: Home Economics would be better, actually.

/hasn't driven a car in over 5 years
//shop class would have been completely pointless

So now I'm curious. How have you not driven in 5 years?

I live in a neighborhood with a walk score of 89. Everything I need is within a few blocks radius of me. Everything else is a short bus or train ride away.

If you've made it into my neighborhood and you are still behind the wheel of a car, you are only making life more difficult for yourself.


That's fantastic and all, but not everyone can ride the short bus.
 
2013-11-09 11:41:34 AM

Fissile: EatenTheSun: Rev. Skarekroe: I wish I'd taken shop class.  That sh*t's far more useful in day to day life than (say) trigonometry.

Ya know, you use a lot of trig when building things.
=====================

KIds would learn trig much faster if it was presented as solving practical problems, like figuring the angle of roof rafters.  Instead it's presented as dry theory, by people who probably never drove a nail in their entire life.


This. Or show them how volumes and displacement work by deep frying a turkey without spilling cooking oil over everything and burning their garages down.
 
2013-11-09 11:41:45 AM

Tom_Slick: Robo Beat: Home ec class was worth it just for the units on budgeting and sewing.  I've used that bit of knowledge about how to hem trouser legs and sew on buttons more times than I can count, and to this day I am fastidious about keeping track of my money.

Everyone should know how to sew on a button at the very least but I know this is not true.


I forgot about sewing skills in my list but I wish I had learned how to do some basic sewing early on. I can fix a button or a small hole in a seam but that is about it.

Snarfangel:  How are they going to learn to fill out computer bubbles with a number 2 pencil?

For years I told my parents that the only useful skill I learned in high school was bubbling in forms, but I did learn to type.
 
2013-11-09 11:42:24 AM
Shop class was in its final death throes when I was in high school in the mid-nineties. Some ninny took off a finger my sophomore year and the class was replaced the following semester by CAD.
 
2013-11-09 11:43:47 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: justalittledonedout: The My Little Pony Killer: Home Economics would be better, actually.

/hasn't driven a car in over 5 years
//shop class would have been completely pointless

So now I'm curious. How have you not driven in 5 years?

I live in a neighborhood with a walk score of 89. Everything I need is within a few blocks radius of me. Everything else is a short bus or train ride away.

If you've made it into my neighborhood and you are still behind the wheel of a car, you are only making life more difficult for yourself.


Gotcha. Must be kinda nice, grocery shopping excluded. I'm not supposed to drive for at least another year. I'm finding it impossible, I live in Texas. Aside from walking my kid down the street with her bike, we don't have that option here.
 
2013-11-09 11:44:23 AM

DrPainMD: Rev. Skarekroe: I wish I'd taken shop class.  That sh*t's far more useful in day to day life than (say) trigonometry.

I use trig every day.



Know who else used trig every day?

i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-09 11:45:03 AM
I remember the days when you could estimate the number of years a shop teacher had left until his 20 year retirement by the number of pieces missing from his hands.

Good times.
 
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