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(Toronto Star)   For Halloween a school vice principal dressed up as Mr T. Apparently some people have a problem with this   (thestar.com) divider line 29
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2013-11-09 01:19:12 AM
5 votes:
That_is_not_blackface. That is a Mr T costume.


//This is blackface


i11.photobucket.com
2013-11-09 08:34:07 AM
4 votes:
Remember kids.

THIS is racist.

www.thestar.com

THIS is not.

i.imgur.com
2013-11-09 01:22:08 AM
4 votes:
Clearly his costume would have been more appropriate if the would have jut gone as a white dude with a Mohawk and chains.   His costume would have sucked, but as least a few people in the community and on the internet wouldn't find insensitive.

Maybe just maybe we have taken being politically correct too far.
2013-11-09 01:25:32 AM
3 votes:
Great, another thread about farking morons who cry "blackface" because they don't understand what the word means.
2013-11-09 01:07:38 AM
3 votes:
farking racists always stirring shiat up.  I think it was awesome and well done.
2013-11-09 12:28:24 AM
3 votes:
For Halloween a school vice principal dressed up as Mr T. Apparently some people fools have a problem with this.

Fixed.
2013-11-09 05:44:44 AM
2 votes:

Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.

Yes, you could say that. Or you could learn what words mean before you use them. Nah, that's too hard. Blackface! Blackface everywhere!

I got it. Only certain types of face paint to mimic a black person count as REAL blackface. Anything short of Al Jolson "Mammy" face is fair game and fark everyone that disagrees.

Is costuming yourself for Halloween as a person of another race inherently offensive? Could be.  Is it offensive in certain combinations (white guy playing black guy)? Could be. Is it offensive in certain instances? Oh yeah it could be.

Is the costume shown in the article "blackface"? No. It farking isn't. You are an ignoramus if you think it is, and you're a jackass if you understand that it isn't and you're trying for offense-by-association.

If you think you're scoring some kind of anti-racism points by putting farking *blackface* on the same level as a guy in a Mr T costume, then you aren't just wrong: you are doing the opposite of what you think you are.

Maybe next time we can talk about why your mom making you clean the basement isn't slavery.

I'm not going to get into your "mom's basement" shiat because it's WAY too edgy for me. Are you Richard Pryor? That said, I'm not personally offended by the costume or by the people who darken their skin to dress up like certain characters. I think it is almost always a bad decision but it's not offensive. What I don't like is the general consensus in this thread that if it's not minstrel show blackface then people shouldn't care. That is complete horseshiat.


Except that you're making up that "consensus" the same way you tried to put words in my mouth earlier. You don't take offense at the costume and you realize it isn't blackface, but you call it blackface anyway and take "this is not blackface AND people shouldn't care" to mean "IF this is not blackface THEN people shouldn't care" which isn't the same thing but who cares. That's pretty horseshiat too.

But yes, I agree that there are plenty of offensive things in the world which are also not blackface. And that cross-ethnic costuming is the kind of minefield you probably wouldn't want to wander around in as a school administrator.
2013-11-09 04:49:16 AM
2 votes:

Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.

Yes, you could say that. Or you could learn what words mean before you use them. Nah, that's too hard. Blackface! Blackface everywhere!

I got it. Only certain types of face paint to mimic a black person count as REAL blackface. Anything short of Al Jolson "Mammy" face is fair game and fark everyone that disagrees.


Is costuming yourself for Halloween as a person of another race inherently offensive? Could be.  Is it offensive in certain combinations (white guy playing black guy)? Could be. Is it offensive in certain instances? Oh yeah it could be.

Is the costume shown in the article "blackface"? No. It farking isn't. You are an ignoramus if you think it is, and you're a jackass if you understand that it isn't and you're trying for offense-by-association.

If you think you're scoring some kind of anti-racism points by putting farking *blackface* on the same level as a guy in a Mr T costume, then you aren't just wrong: you are doing the opposite of what you think you are.

Maybe next time we can talk about why your mom making you clean the basement isn't slavery.
2013-11-09 04:22:22 AM
2 votes:
"He should have known better"

or.. or...

maybe we could stop catering to those hypersensitive types that make problems where there isn't one...
2013-11-09 02:26:46 AM
2 votes:
I have to side with the people who think that the real Mr. T would be amused by this.  So they guy was too white and too "fool"ish to actually portray Mr. T.  When you're the ultimate badass and someone dresses up like you for Halloween, and looks silly doing so, do you care that he's not appropriately pigmented as well?  I wouldn't care.  The ultimate badass doesn't need to care about this sort of thing, it's beneath his notice.

Say some poser dressed up as you, not mocking, but obviously because they thought you were cool, and you know you could kick their butt into next year, would you really be offended?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
2013-11-09 01:42:54 AM
2 votes:

SilentStrider: For Halloween a school vice principal dressed up as Mr T. Apparently some people fools have a problem with this.

Fixed.


Damn, someone please pity me.

/Subby
//first heard it reported as the VP dressed as blackface, thought what kind of idiot would do that?
///then I saw the picture, thought what kind of idiot would be offended by this?!
2013-11-09 02:56:51 PM
1 votes:
I think it's a fair point to examine all these claims of cultural "ownership." For example, the Asian girl in the "it's not a costume, it's a culture" campaign. Here you see a twenty something ethnic Asian (who could easily be third generation American), dressed in the bland, Americanized college garb that most American college kids wear. She looks so forlorn and shamed as she looks at the ground, holding up the colorful picture of a Japanese Geish girl costume. Her caption reads, "it's a culture, not a costume, and it's not ok. This is not who I am."

Well you got that right...it's NOT who you are. I'm a tall Nordic looking person who probably has more Japanese roots than you do, Asian American college girl. I have family there and I've been to Kyoto and seen the REAL Geishas. You are not a geisha, nor do you own the image, experience or culture. So buck up and stop being sad that the rest of the world might find geishas fascinating, colorful and beautiful. You're right. That is not who YOU are. Have you ever even been to Japan?

Same for Mr. T, and someone made the point perfectly up thread. He happens to be black, but he is not "blackness" personified. He is Mr. T personified, and the character he played on that show. You don't get to "own" that just because you HAPPEN to share his skin color, which is insignificant. No more than I get to "own" the image of a German bar made, or the Swiss Ricola guy. The world owns it.
2013-11-09 02:56:34 PM
1 votes:

Truther: Will we keep slipping further into a world of more and more political correctness?


Vector R: Sadly, because the PC rules surrounding this are utterly retarded,


AngryDragon: Tribalism and political correctness gone wild.


"Political Correctness" = backward whiteguyspeak for "WAHHHHHH! I don't get to say or do the dumb sh*t I used to! I have to actually think before I act! I have to realize that other people don't think as I do! I have to actually try not to be an asshole! THIS IS HARRRRRRRD!"
2013-11-09 11:14:15 AM
1 votes:
I've never thought of Mr T as black. He's just Mr T. He transcends race. No black people act like Mr T. Mr T acts like Mr T.

/foo
/T
2013-11-09 09:44:24 AM
1 votes:
*raises hand*

Could someone please explain to me why this white person dressed as a black character isn't racist, but it was totally OMGRacism when that celebrity chick I had never heard of dressed as a black character from Orange is the New Black?

/seriously confused.
2013-11-09 07:16:39 AM
1 votes:

Iceberg659: Ok. It seems the disconnect is with what we both consider blackface. I consider anyone wearing makeup to look like a black person to be in "blackface". It's not inherently derogatory or offensive but blackface nonetheless. You on the other hand(unless I'm reading you wrong) consider blackface to be the specific vaudevillian minstrel show makeup which is derogatory by nature. So while we're essentially on the same page, that semantic disconnect is creating disagreement where there isn't any. Am I right?


Yeah, essentially. Blackface is not really a matter of trying to look like a black person, let alone *A* black person. That is what makes it so offensive, and that is why black people can perform blackface. It is about playing off of a racial stereotype, performing a racist caricature (and it goes beyond wearing makeup, too). Blackface means more than "wearing makeup to look like a black person," kind of like KKK means more than "wearing a white sheet to look scary." It's probably unfair to yell "racist" at the guy in the ghost costume, but mainly it's just wrong to say he's in a Klan outfit.

/sorry if I'm being a dick about it, but this same damn thread happens every time
2013-11-09 05:31:18 AM
1 votes:

Iceberg659: What I don't like is the general consensus in this thread that if it's not minstrel show blackface then people shouldn't care. That is complete horseshiat.


Unless it is obvious derogatory  They shouldn't care! You are part of the problem.
2013-11-09 04:25:03 AM
1 votes:
I don't remember Mr. T costumes with skin color makeup or not being a problem 20 or 30 years ago...

It was called a Mr. T costume people had some laughs and went on with life.
2013-11-09 04:07:25 AM
1 votes:
White farkers hate when someone encroaches on their right to be racist
2013-11-09 03:27:55 AM
1 votes:

Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.


Yes, you could say that. Or you could learn what words mean before you use them. Nah, that's too hard. Blackface! Blackface everywhere!
2013-11-09 02:50:01 AM
1 votes:
The only person's opinion that matters to me here is Mr.T's. If he says it was wrong, I will accept it, if he says it was OK all those who complained can go suck it. Met Mr. T once, he is pretty awesome. Also the opinions of people named Rad should never matter, especially this one after I read his linkedin, I nearly threw up from all the BS and buzzwords.
2013-11-09 01:47:21 AM
1 votes:
I think the costume is funny. Can't see how he is trying to offend or racially stereotype by his actions. Not the smartest of costumes during this time of thin skinned people.
2013-11-09 01:44:37 AM
1 votes:

WhyKnot: Clearly his costume would have been more appropriate if the would have jut gone as a white dude with a Mohawk and chains.   His costume would have sucked, but as least a few people in the community and on the internet wouldn't find insensitive.

Maybe just maybe we have taken being politically correct too far.


Mohawk?  That is the American Indian version of black face.
2013-11-09 01:41:41 AM
1 votes:
soooo only black people can wear a Mr. T costume?
okaaaaaaay
2013-11-09 01:36:17 AM
1 votes:
"I don't think it was malicious but I was offended"

Faaaaaahk youuuuu.
2013-11-09 01:30:12 AM
1 votes:
I want to hear Mr.T's voice on this.
2013-11-09 01:27:07 AM
1 votes:

WhyKnot: Clearly his costume would have been more appropriate if the would have jut gone as a white dude with a Mohawk and chains.   His costume would have sucked, but as least a few people in the community and on the internet wouldn't find insensitive.

Maybe just maybe we have taken being politically correct too far.


Yeah, he could have been.....
Mr Why-T
2013-11-09 01:16:40 AM
1 votes:
Mr. T is a character.
Mr. T was always an act.
Mr. T was not supposed to be a real person.
... or LIKE a real person.
He is a character... like Spiderman or Ichabod Crane or Condor Man.
Dressing up as Mr. T for Halloween means nothing.
It not at all the same thing as dressing up as Travon Martin... a private individual.
The only people that have any business being upset about a Mr. T costume are the people who were already legitimately upset about the Mr. T character as played by Laurence Tureaud.
In other words, the only people who have any business being upset by a Mr. T costume are humorless retards.
I pity the fools.
2013-11-09 12:51:16 AM
1 votes:
I pity them.
 
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