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2013-11-09 12:28:24 AM  
For Halloween a school vice principal dressed up as Mr T. Apparently some people fools have a problem with this.

Fixed.
 
2013-11-09 12:51:16 AM  
I pity them.
 
2013-11-09 01:07:38 AM  
farking racists always stirring shiat up.  I think it was awesome and well done.
 
2013-11-09 01:07:43 AM  
Done.
 
2013-11-09 01:07:52 AM  
Is black face in this year or something? I guess I missed that issue of GQ
 
2013-11-09 01:08:07 AM  
I dressed up as a zombie and now I have all these dead assholes protesting about it!
 
2013-11-09 01:10:14 AM  
Could have been worse: He might have gone as '70s Chuck Norris.
 
2013-11-09 01:16:40 AM  
Mr. T is a character.
Mr. T was always an act.
Mr. T was not supposed to be a real person.
... or LIKE a real person.
He is a character... like Spiderman or Ichabod Crane or Condor Man.
Dressing up as Mr. T for Halloween means nothing.
It not at all the same thing as dressing up as Travon Martin... a private individual.
The only people that have any business being upset about a Mr. T costume are the people who were already legitimately upset about the Mr. T character as played by Laurence Tureaud.
In other words, the only people who have any business being upset by a Mr. T costume are humorless retards.
I pity the fools.
 
2013-11-09 01:18:52 AM  
That'll teach him to stay with his kind!
 
2013-11-09 01:19:12 AM  
That_is_not_blackface. That is a Mr T costume.


//This is blackface


i11.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-09 01:19:57 AM  
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
 
2013-11-09 01:22:08 AM  
Clearly his costume would have been more appropriate if the would have jut gone as a white dude with a Mohawk and chains.   His costume would have sucked, but as least a few people in the community and on the internet wouldn't find insensitive.

Maybe just maybe we have taken being politically correct too far.
 
2013-11-09 01:24:17 AM  
Meh, I couldn't care less.....but in this day and age he should have known better.

/ might have been more interesting if he went as a white Mr. T
 
2013-11-09 01:25:32 AM  
Great, another thread about farking morons who cry "blackface" because they don't understand what the word means.
 
2013-11-09 01:27:07 AM  

WhyKnot: Clearly his costume would have been more appropriate if the would have jut gone as a white dude with a Mohawk and chains.   His costume would have sucked, but as least a few people in the community and on the internet wouldn't find insensitive.

Maybe just maybe we have taken being politically correct too far.


Yeah, he could have been.....
Mr Why-T
 
2013-11-09 01:30:12 AM  
I want to hear Mr.T's voice on this.
 
2013-11-09 01:30:22 AM  

itsaidwhat: WhyKnot: Clearly his costume would have been more appropriate if the would have jut gone as a white dude with a Mohawk and chains.   His costume would have sucked, but as least a few people in the community and on the internet wouldn't find insensitive.

Maybe just maybe we have taken being politically correct too far.

Yeah, he could have been.....
Mr Why-T


You, sir, win one internets.
 
2013-11-09 01:33:54 AM  

WhyKnot: Clearly his costume would have been more appropriate if the would have jut gone as a white dude with a Mohawk and chains.   His costume would have sucked, but as least a few people in the community and on the internet wouldn't find insensitive.

Maybe just maybe we have taken being politically correct too far.


I do agree with you, but still gotta say.....

images.wikia.com
 
2013-11-09 01:36:17 AM  
"I don't think it was malicious but I was offended"

Faaaaaahk youuuuu.
 
2013-11-09 01:41:41 AM  
soooo only black people can wear a Mr. T costume?
okaaaaaaay
 
2013-11-09 01:42:54 AM  

SilentStrider: For Halloween a school vice principal dressed up as Mr T. Apparently some people fools have a problem with this.

Fixed.


Damn, someone please pity me.

/Subby
//first heard it reported as the VP dressed as blackface, thought what kind of idiot would do that?
///then I saw the picture, thought what kind of idiot would be offended by this?!
 
2013-11-09 01:44:37 AM  

WhyKnot: Clearly his costume would have been more appropriate if the would have jut gone as a white dude with a Mohawk and chains.   His costume would have sucked, but as least a few people in the community and on the internet wouldn't find insensitive.

Maybe just maybe we have taken being politically correct too far.


Mohawk?  That is the American Indian version of black face.
 
2013-11-09 01:44:58 AM  
The only real problem I see here is that the guy wasn't smart enough to realize that painting yourself black is almost never seen in a positive light and that someone at school would complain about it. It wasn't done to be offensive or malicious, but as someone in his position of authority, he's supposed to think about all the potential butthurt that could result from any given action he and others make. The smart thing would've been to go without black facepaint or to just choose another costume. It's unfortunate that even the non-maliciously intended costumes like this offend people, but it doesn't take a brain scientist to realize that if you're the vice-principal of a school it's probably not a good idea to paint yourself black as part of a costume, given that history almost solely associates this with blackface, which is considered to be racist and offensive.

That said, I think that they should just give him a warning to use better common sense in the future and let it go. This wasn't done with the intent to harm, but the guy should've known better.
 
2013-11-09 01:45:11 AM  
If it wasn't for Fark politics I'd have never heard of a more stupid reason for being outraged.
 
2013-11-09 01:46:53 AM  
If Mr. T was alive today, I'd like to think that he would have liked this costume. And I think that we all understand that this teacher was just trying to honor his memory. But the fact of the matter is that society is full of professional pearl-clutchers who are looking for any opportunity to take a dive on the nearest fainting couch. So even though most people probably view this costume as an homage to a departed friend, the reality is that this teacher probably should have known better.
 
2013-11-09 01:47:21 AM  
I think the costume is funny. Can't see how he is trying to offend or racially stereotype by his actions. Not the smartest of costumes during this time of thin skinned people.
 
2013-11-09 01:51:15 AM  

TheWhoppah: Condor Man


Wow, I'm the other person who has seen this movie!  One of the crappy non-big three  network channels played it all the time on Sundays while I was growing up, good background TV while I was playing with Legos or G.I. Joes.  As a kid without any real access to comic books, Condorman was essentially my first Batman.

Also, I agree with pretty much everyone else on this, it's not black-face, it's not racist but more a tribute, however he should've known better.
 
2013-11-09 01:56:25 AM  
seventypercent:  If Mr. T was alive today, I'd like to think that he would have liked this costume.

Mr. T died?  When was this?
 
2013-11-09 01:56:27 AM  

italie: That_is_not_blackface. That is a Mr T costume.


//This is blackface


Mammy
 
2013-11-09 01:57:43 AM  
Nope, because this doesn't look stupid.  I barely notice the contrast in skin tone.
i.ebayimg.com
 
2013-11-09 01:59:43 AM  

seventypercent: If Mr. T was alive today, I'd like to think that he would have liked this costume. And I think that we all understand that this teacher was just trying to honor his memory. But the fact of the matter is that society is full of professional pearl-clutchers who are looking for any opportunity to take a dive on the nearest fainting couch. So even though most people probably view this costume as an homage to a departed friend, the reality is that this teacher probably should have known better.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._T
He's not dead!
 
2013-11-09 02:00:36 AM  

SirEattonHogg: seventypercent:  If Mr. T was alive today, I'd like to think that he would have liked this costume.

Mr. T died?  When was this?


Mr. T is dead. So is Barzini. Phillip Tattaglia. Moe Greene. Stracci. Cuneo. The heads of all the Five Families. Today I settled all family business so don't tell me that Mr. T is alive, because it insults my intelligence. Leave the gun, take the cannoli.
 
2013-11-09 02:00:43 AM  

seventypercent: If Mr. T was alive today, I'd like to think that he would have liked this costume. And I think that we all understand that this teacher was just trying to honor his memory. But the fact of the matter is that society is full of professional pearl-clutchers who are looking for any opportunity to take a dive on the nearest fainting couch. So even though most people probably view this costume as an homage to a departed friend, the reality is that this teacher probably should have known better.


He's a prickly guy at times, and the signature haircut and chains both supposedly reference his African-American heritage, so I could see him maybe not looking on white-guy Mr T costumes very favorably.

/and he pities the fool who thinks he's dead
 
2013-11-09 02:02:11 AM  

seventypercent: If Mr. T was alive today, I'd like to think that he would have liked this costume. And I think that we all understand that this teacher was just trying to honor his memory.


Don't start rumors like that! I'm a fan of Mr. T. You had me worried.
 
2013-11-09 02:02:53 AM  

skinink: I think the costume is funny. Can't see how he is trying to offend or racially stereotype by his actions. Not the smartest of costumes during this time of thin skinned people.


You don't understand! White people can only ever dress up as other white people. If they dress up as a member of some other culture, it's demeaning! It's racist! Forget about about "black face" and all that; just putting on the garb of another culture is racist. If you are white and dressing up as a specific member of a culture, even an antiquated one, you are a racist! Shame on you for being white!

Also, I came across this and laughed:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-09 02:09:28 AM  

Atomic Spunk: Don't start rumors like that! I'm a fan of Mr. T. You had me worried.


Heh, sorry.

"(Insert name of living person) must be spinning in their grave" is one of the oldest jokes on the Internet.

Is there room in Hollywood for a Mr. T acting reboot? Stallone brought Rambo back a few years ago. Why not a return of B. A. Baracus?
 
2013-11-09 02:17:38 AM  
He should have gone as Rob Ford
 
2013-11-09 02:19:57 AM  
Mr. T is dead. So is Barzini. Phillip Tattaglia. Moe Greene. Stracci. Cuneo. The heads of all the Five Families. Today I settled all family business so don't tell me that Mr. T is alive, because it insults my intelligence. Leave the gun, take the cannoli.

I know it was you, Seventypercent, you broke my heart.  You broke my heart.
 
2013-11-09 02:22:24 AM  

seventypercent: Atomic Spunk: Don't start rumors like that! I'm a fan of Mr. T. You had me worried.

Heh, sorry.

"(Insert name of living person) must be spinning in their grave" is one of the oldest jokes on the Internet.

www.dailyramblings.com

 
2013-11-09 02:26:46 AM  
I have to side with the people who think that the real Mr. T would be amused by this.  So they guy was too white and too "fool"ish to actually portray Mr. T.  When you're the ultimate badass and someone dresses up like you for Halloween, and looks silly doing so, do you care that he's not appropriately pigmented as well?  I wouldn't care.  The ultimate badass doesn't need to care about this sort of thing, it's beneath his notice.

Say some poser dressed up as you, not mocking, but obviously because they thought you were cool, and you know you could kick their butt into next year, would you really be offended?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
 
2013-11-09 02:26:56 AM  

Gordon Bennett: seventypercent: "(Insert name of living person) must be spinning in their grave" is one of the oldest jokes on the Internet.

[www.dailyramblings.com image 300x263]


I take that back. It's one of the second-oldest jokes on the Internet.
 
2013-11-09 02:50:01 AM  
The only person's opinion that matters to me here is Mr.T's. If he says it was wrong, I will accept it, if he says it was OK all those who complained can go suck it. Met Mr. T once, he is pretty awesome. Also the opinions of people named Rad should never matter, especially this one after I read his linkedin, I nearly threw up from all the BS and buzzwords.
 
2013-11-09 03:01:54 AM  
Peel County is a suburb of a suburb of a suburb of Toronto. These are people who always vote right wing because they're angry at having to spend 4 hours a day in traffic cos they're too dumb to live in the city they work in and are too crappy at their white collar jobs to be able to successfully find better employment closer to home.

So yeah, these people look for any excuse to biatch about anything.

You won't find anyone black in Peel either.
 
2013-11-09 03:10:36 AM  
Offensive:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-09 03:21:20 AM  
Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.
 
2013-11-09 03:27:55 AM  

Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.


Yes, you could say that. Or you could learn what words mean before you use them. Nah, that's too hard. Blackface! Blackface everywhere!
 
2013-11-09 03:29:57 AM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQsKcBTjhlk">http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=WQsKcBTjhlk
 
2013-11-09 03:31:46 AM  
I was once told by someone, perfectly seriously, that the word "vinegar" was "borderline racist".
 
2013-11-09 03:38:33 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.

Yes, you could say that. Or you could learn what words mean before you use them. Nah, that's too hard. Blackface! Blackface everywhere!


I got it. Only certain types of face paint to mimic a black person count as REAL blackface. Anything short of Al Jolson "Mammy" face is fair game and fark everyone that disagrees.
 
2013-11-09 04:07:08 AM  

Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.

Yes, you could say that. Or you could learn what words mean before you use them. Nah, that's too hard. Blackface! Blackface everywhere!

I got it. Only certain types of face paint to mimic a black person count as REAL blackface. Anything short of Al Jolson "Mammy" face is fair game and fark everyone that disagrees.


Yeah! And that goes for movies too!  Fark that Robert Downey Jr.!
 
2013-11-09 04:07:25 AM  
White farkers hate when someone encroaches on their right to be racist
 
2013-11-09 04:22:22 AM  
"He should have known better"

or.. or...

maybe we could stop catering to those hypersensitive types that make problems where there isn't one...
 
2013-11-09 04:25:03 AM  
I don't remember Mr. T costumes with skin color makeup or not being a problem 20 or 30 years ago...

It was called a Mr. T costume people had some laughs and went on with life.
 
2013-11-09 04:36:18 AM  

Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.


Wusup?

socialight.tv
 
2013-11-09 04:49:16 AM  

Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.

Yes, you could say that. Or you could learn what words mean before you use them. Nah, that's too hard. Blackface! Blackface everywhere!

I got it. Only certain types of face paint to mimic a black person count as REAL blackface. Anything short of Al Jolson "Mammy" face is fair game and fark everyone that disagrees.


Is costuming yourself for Halloween as a person of another race inherently offensive? Could be.  Is it offensive in certain combinations (white guy playing black guy)? Could be. Is it offensive in certain instances? Oh yeah it could be.

Is the costume shown in the article "blackface"? No. It farking isn't. You are an ignoramus if you think it is, and you're a jackass if you understand that it isn't and you're trying for offense-by-association.

If you think you're scoring some kind of anti-racism points by putting farking *blackface* on the same level as a guy in a Mr T costume, then you aren't just wrong: you are doing the opposite of what you think you are.

Maybe next time we can talk about why your mom making you clean the basement isn't slavery.
 
2013-11-09 04:54:15 AM  
The people offended by this costume should get some nuts.
 
2013-11-09 05:06:50 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.

Yes, you could say that. Or you could learn what words mean before you use them. Nah, that's too hard. Blackface! Blackface everywhere!

I got it. Only certain types of face paint to mimic a black person count as REAL blackface. Anything short of Al Jolson "Mammy" face is fair game and fark everyone that disagrees.

Is costuming yourself for Halloween as a person of another race inherently offensive? Could be.  Is it offensive in certain combinations (white guy playing black guy)? Could be. Is it offensive in certain instances? Oh yeah it could be.

Is the costume shown in the article "blackface"? No. It farking isn't. You are an ignoramus if you think it is, and you're a jackass if you understand that it isn't and you're trying for offense-by-association.

If you think you're scoring some kind of anti-racism points by putting farking *blackface* on the same level as a guy in a Mr T costume, then you aren't just wrong: you are doing the opposite of what you think you are.

Maybe next time we can talk about why your mom making you clean the basement isn't slavery.


I'm not going to get into your "mom's basement" shiat because it's WAY too edgy for me. Are you Richard Pryor? That said, I'm not personally offended by the costume or by the people who darken their skin to dress up like certain characters. I think it is almost always a bad decision but it's not offensive. What I don't like is the general consensus in this thread that if it's not minstrel show blackface then people shouldn't care. That is complete horseshiat.
 
2013-11-09 05:31:18 AM  

Iceberg659: What I don't like is the general consensus in this thread that if it's not minstrel show blackface then people shouldn't care. That is complete horseshiat.


Unless it is obvious derogatory  They shouldn't care! You are part of the problem.
 
2013-11-09 05:44:44 AM  

Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.

Yes, you could say that. Or you could learn what words mean before you use them. Nah, that's too hard. Blackface! Blackface everywhere!

I got it. Only certain types of face paint to mimic a black person count as REAL blackface. Anything short of Al Jolson "Mammy" face is fair game and fark everyone that disagrees.

Is costuming yourself for Halloween as a person of another race inherently offensive? Could be.  Is it offensive in certain combinations (white guy playing black guy)? Could be. Is it offensive in certain instances? Oh yeah it could be.

Is the costume shown in the article "blackface"? No. It farking isn't. You are an ignoramus if you think it is, and you're a jackass if you understand that it isn't and you're trying for offense-by-association.

If you think you're scoring some kind of anti-racism points by putting farking *blackface* on the same level as a guy in a Mr T costume, then you aren't just wrong: you are doing the opposite of what you think you are.

Maybe next time we can talk about why your mom making you clean the basement isn't slavery.

I'm not going to get into your "mom's basement" shiat because it's WAY too edgy for me. Are you Richard Pryor? That said, I'm not personally offended by the costume or by the people who darken their skin to dress up like certain characters. I think it is almost always a bad decision but it's not offensive. What I don't like is the general consensus in this thread that if it's not minstrel show blackface then people shouldn't care. That is complete horseshiat.


Except that you're making up that "consensus" the same way you tried to put words in my mouth earlier. You don't take offense at the costume and you realize it isn't blackface, but you call it blackface anyway and take "this is not blackface AND people shouldn't care" to mean "IF this is not blackface THEN people shouldn't care" which isn't the same thing but who cares. That's pretty horseshiat too.

But yes, I agree that there are plenty of offensive things in the world which are also not blackface. And that cross-ethnic costuming is the kind of minefield you probably wouldn't want to wander around in as a school administrator.
 
2013-11-09 06:07:24 AM  

mr lawson: Iceberg659: What I don't like is the general consensus in this thread that if it's not minstrel show blackface then people shouldn't care. That is complete horseshiat.

Unless it is obvious derogatory  They shouldn't care! You are part of the problem.


That's kind of my point. Most of the people in this thread seem to think that ONLY minstrel blackface is obviously derogatory. I think that SOME other instances of blackface can/should be considered derogatory. That makes me part of the problem?! What exactly is the problem? Is it that some people have opinions with which you disagree?
 
2013-11-09 06:26:44 AM  

SilentStrider: For Halloween a school vice principal dressed up as Mr T. Apparently some people fools have a problem with this.

Fixed.


And I pity them.
 
2013-11-09 06:30:12 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.

Yes, you could say that. Or you could learn what words mean before you use them. Nah, that's too hard. Blackface! Blackface everywhere!

I got it. Only certain types of face paint to mimic a black person count as REAL blackface. Anything short of Al Jolson "Mammy" face is fair game and fark everyone that disagrees.

Is costuming yourself for Halloween as a person of another race inherently offensive? Could be.  Is it offensive in certain combinations (white guy playing black guy)? Could be. Is it offensive in certain instances? Oh yeah it could be.

Is the costume shown in the article "blackface"? No. It farking isn't. You are an ignoramus if you think it is, and you're a jackass if you understand that it isn't and you're trying for offense-by-association.

If you think you're scoring some kind of anti-racism points by putting farking *blackface* on the same level as a guy in a Mr T costume, then you aren't just wrong: you are doing the opposite of what you think you are.

Maybe next time we can talk about why your mom making you clean the basement isn't slavery.

I'm not going to get into your "mom's basement" shiat because it's WAY too edgy for me. Are you Richard Pryor? That said, I'm not personally offended by the costume or by the people who darken their skin to dress up like certain characters. I think it is almost always a bad decision but it's not offensive. What I don't like is the general consensus in this thread that if it's not minstrel show blackface then people shouldn't care. That is complete horseshiat.

Except that you're making up that "consensus" the same way you tried to put words in my mouth earlier. You don't take offense at the costum ...


Ok. It seems the disconnect is with what we both consider blackface. I consider anyone wearing makeup to look like a black person to be in "blackface". It's not inherently derogatory or offensive but blackface nonetheless. You on the other hand(unless I'm reading you wrong) consider blackface to be the specific vaudevillian minstrel show makeup which is derogatory by nature. So while we're essentially on the same page, that semantic disconnect is creating disagreement where there isn't any. Am I right?
 
2013-11-09 06:38:22 AM  
I just want to know why people insist on going by what something means to them instead of going by what it's intended to be.  When you say that what something is to you is what it is period and you won't recognize that not everyone sees it the same way you do, how are you not being arrogant?
 
2013-11-09 07:16:39 AM  

Iceberg659: Ok. It seems the disconnect is with what we both consider blackface. I consider anyone wearing makeup to look like a black person to be in "blackface". It's not inherently derogatory or offensive but blackface nonetheless. You on the other hand(unless I'm reading you wrong) consider blackface to be the specific vaudevillian minstrel show makeup which is derogatory by nature. So while we're essentially on the same page, that semantic disconnect is creating disagreement where there isn't any. Am I right?


Yeah, essentially. Blackface is not really a matter of trying to look like a black person, let alone *A* black person. That is what makes it so offensive, and that is why black people can perform blackface. It is about playing off of a racial stereotype, performing a racist caricature (and it goes beyond wearing makeup, too). Blackface means more than "wearing makeup to look like a black person," kind of like KKK means more than "wearing a white sheet to look scary." It's probably unfair to yell "racist" at the guy in the ghost costume, but mainly it's just wrong to say he's in a Klan outfit.

/sorry if I'm being a dick about it, but this same damn thread happens every time
 
2013-11-09 07:30:13 AM  

Iceberg659: Ok. It seems the disconnect is with what we both consider blackface. I consider anyone wearing makeup to look like a black person to be in "blackface". It's not inherently derogatory or offensive but blackface nonetheless. You on the other hand(unless I'm reading you wrong) consider blackface to be the specific vaudevillian minstrel show makeup which is derogatory by nature. So while we're essentially on the same page, that semantic disconnect is creating disagreement where there isn't any. Am I right?


Blackface is specific vaudevillian minstrel show makeup which is derogatory by nature.  You could feasibly extend it to any makeup/costume/behavior meant to caricature (i.e. exaggerate features, behavior, etc.) black people as a generalized group, and perhaps any subcultures therein.

This guy, on the other hand, is specifically Mr. T.  He might be caricaturing Mr. T all day, talking in a gruff voice and saying I pity the fool and making references to how much he hates flying every 5 minutes, but unless he's walking around saying "Yo yo yo, what up, homeslice?" and asking for watermelon and fried chicken all day long and singing Swing Low Sweet Chariot (or something similar to all that), he's not caricaturing black people in general.
 
2013-11-09 08:26:57 AM  
At work, on Halloween, I dressed up in blackface, and no one noticed, let alone cared.

/granted it was Leonard from "Big Bang Theory"
//and I usually dress up like that at work every day
///slashie blackface!!!!
 
2013-11-09 08:34:07 AM  
Remember kids.

THIS is racist.

www.thestar.com

THIS is not.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-09 08:37:47 AM  

boinkingbill: WhyKnot: Clearly his costume would have been more appropriate if the would have jut gone as a white dude with a Mohawk and chains.   His costume would have sucked, but as least a few people in the community and on the internet wouldn't find insensitive.

Maybe just maybe we have taken being politically correct too far.

Mohawk?  That is the American Indian version of black face.


Not necessarily.  Mohawk with O.D. green fatigues, and he'll be a WWII paratrooper.  Add some chains, he'll be a POW.
 
2013-11-09 08:40:22 AM  
But this is OK and definitely not blackface.  Because it's shown on NBC(ommie).

blogs.suntimes.com
 
2013-11-09 09:12:09 AM  

TheWhoppah: Mr. T is a character.
Mr. T was always an act.
Mr. T was not supposed to be a real person.
... or LIKE a real person.
He is a character... like Spiderman or Ichabod Crane or Condor Man.
Dressing up as Mr. T for Halloween means nothing.
It not at all the same thing as dressing up as Travon Martin... a private individual.
The only people that have any business being upset about a Mr. T costume are the people who were already legitimately upset about the Mr. T character as played by Laurence Tureaud.
In other words, the only people who have any business being upset by a Mr. T costume are humorless retards.
I pity the fools.


I think you have Mr. T (the actor) confused with B. A. Baracus (the character in the A Team)
 
2013-11-09 09:44:18 AM  

AngryDragon: Remember kids.

THIS is racist.

[www.thestar.com image 545x365]

THIS is not.

[i.imgur.com image 299x444]


ecx.images-amazon.com

Don't forget this one.   We never got the sequel because "that's racist!"

It was to be called "Black Men Can't Swim"
 
2013-11-09 09:44:24 AM  
*raises hand*

Could someone please explain to me why this white person dressed as a black character isn't racist, but it was totally OMGRacism when that celebrity chick I had never heard of dressed as a black character from Orange is the New Black?

/seriously confused.
 
2013-11-09 09:49:42 AM  

razyjean: *raises hand*

Could someone please explain to me why this white person dressed as a black character isn't racist, but it was totally OMGRacism when that celebrity chick I had never heard of dressed as a black character from Orange is the New Black?

/seriously confused.


Clearly the dreadlocks. As Don Imus will attest.

That and, her outfit was lazy, this one looks like there was a labor of love behind it.

/I honestly have no idea.
 
2013-11-09 09:52:49 AM  
So this is ok:
24.media.tumblr.com

But this is bad:
www.thestar.com

Can someone explain this in a way that includes common sense?
 
2013-11-09 09:56:41 AM  

ReapTheChaos: So this is ok:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 400x515]

But this is bad:
[www.thestar.com image 545x365]

Can someone explain this in a way that includes common sense?


Can't.  The very question is racist...or something.  "Racism" has become as meaningless as "terrorism" which is unfair to those who are actually victims of racism or terrorism.  The problem is that no one can have a conversation in this country without going nuclear the instant their world view is challenged.

Tribalism and political correctness gone wild.
 
2013-11-09 09:58:42 AM  

ReapTheChaos: So this is ok:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 400x515]

But this is bad:
[www.thestar.com image 545x365]

Can someone explain this in a way that includes common sense?


I'm noticing an assumption that the mask IS okay. Do we have proof that it is? Hell I'd accept an Onion story at this point that described "Black man sees Mr. T mask on white guy. Keeps walking."
 
2013-11-09 10:25:21 AM  
What are the odds we'll get Daniel Tosh as Samuel L Jackson at some point? "I am tired of this motherfarking blackface on motherfarking Halloween"

/Also, Lethal Weapon 6 was fantastic
 
2013-11-09 10:29:40 AM  
images.hngn.com
 
2013-11-09 10:31:08 AM  
Is it OK for a black person to dress up as a white person ?
 
2013-11-09 11:14:15 AM  
I've never thought of Mr T as black. He's just Mr T. He transcends race. No black people act like Mr T. Mr T acts like Mr T.

/foo
/T
 
2013-11-09 11:27:24 AM  
nubian please!

I really need to dress up in Blackface next year.  Not for Hallloween, just random points through out the year.  See how many people I can piss off.
 
2013-11-09 11:42:53 AM  

Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.

Yes, you could say that. Or you could learn what words mean before you use them. Nah, that's too hard. Blackface! Blackface everywhere!

I got it. Only certain types of face paint to mimic a black person count as REAL blackface. Anything short of Al Jolson "Mammy" face is fair game and fark everyone that disagrees.


Yep. You got it alright
 
2013-11-09 11:45:39 AM  

gibbon1: Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.

Wusup?


I fink u freeky
 
2013-11-09 12:06:14 PM  
So where does this falll?
www.vh1.com
 
2013-11-09 12:07:13 PM  
It's offensive because those shows really were poorly written and produced.
 
2013-11-09 12:25:07 PM  

ProdigalSigh: TheWhoppah: Condor Man

Wow, I'm the other person who has seen this movie!  One of the crappy non-big three  network channels played it all the time on Sundays while I was growing up, good background TV while I was playing with Legos or G.I. Joes.  As a kid without any real access to comic books, Condorman was essentially my first Batman.

Also, I agree with pretty much everyone else on this, it's not black-face, it's not racist but more a tribute, however he should've known better.


Why? I know you can't answer this, but why should he have known better?

Will we keep slipping further into a world of more and more political correctness?

When will the butt hurt stop?

/wont someone please think of the children?
 
2013-11-09 12:26:02 PM  

razyjean: *raises hand*

Could someone please explain to me why this white person dressed as a black character isn't racist, but it was totally OMGRacism when that celebrity chick I had never heard of dressed as a black character from Orange is the New Black?

/seriously confused.


Sadly, because the PC rules surrounding this are utterly retarded, there is no good explanation, just lots of handwaving and colossal butthurt. We can stop the madness by shooting everyone who starts whining about how it's waaacist for lighter people to dress up as darker people, that oughta take care of the problem.

/You know it isn't waaacist if it's the other way around
//Though I'm sure there's transformers butthurt over "White Chicks"
 
2013-11-09 12:30:06 PM  

Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.


You just derped to level 11.

Congrats.
 
2013-11-09 12:30:33 PM  

cig-mkr: Is it OK for a black person to dress up as a white person ?


Sure, if it is a specific white person, done well and the person doesn't act in a derogatory manner. If it is just smearing white greasepaint on their face and saying "hey! look! I'm white! Give me a tax break!", not so much.

I think the people offended by this costume do not really understand what racism is or why it is bad. They just say 'dark make-up on the face makes it 'black-face' and that is racist, so this must be racist.
 
2013-11-09 01:15:48 PM  

cig-mkr: Is it OK for a black person to dress up as a white person ?


Yeah, but you can't say anything about it because that would be racist.
 
2013-11-09 01:23:20 PM  
Also, it's been done already...

img.fark.net
 
2013-11-09 02:31:23 PM  

Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Iceberg659: Got to love any discussion involving race on Fark. Poor poor persecuted white men. When will they catch a break? They can't even wear blackface anymore without people pitching a fit. shiat is ridiculous. I thought this was America.

Yes, you could say that. Or you could learn what words mean before you use them. Nah, that's too hard. Blackface! Blackface everywhere!

I got it. Only certain types of face paint to mimic a black person count as REAL blackface. Anything short of Al Jolson "Mammy" face is fair game and fark everyone that disagrees.

Is costuming yourself for Halloween as a person of another race inherently offensive? Could be.  Is it offensive in certain combinations (white guy playing black guy)? Could be. Is it offensive in certain instances? Oh yeah it could be.

Is the costume shown in the article "blackface"? No. It farking isn't. You are an ignoramus if you think it is, and you're a jackass if you understand that it isn't and you're trying for offense-by-association.

If you think you're scoring some kind of anti-racism points by putting farking *blackface* on the same level as a guy in a Mr T costume, then you aren't just wrong: you are doing the opposite of what you think you are.

Maybe next time we can talk about why your mom making you clean the basement isn't slavery.

I'm not going to get into your "mom's basement" shiat because it's WAY too edgy for me. Are you Richard Pryor? That said, I'm not personally offended by the costume or by the people who darken their skin to dress up like certain characters. I think it is almost always a bad decision but it's not offensive. What I don't like is the general consensus in this thread that if it's not minstrel show blackface then people shouldn't care. That is complete horseshiat.

Except that you're making up that "consensus" the same way you tried to put words in my mouth earlier. You don't tak ...


Your vagina.  It's like, all sandy and stuff.
 
2013-11-09 02:46:56 PM  
FTA: "Blackface has its roots in performances from the 19th century, when actors would apply dark face paint and portray black people in mocking, stereotyping caricatures."

Yeah... you would think that an educated (as in college) school vice principal just might remember this little tidbit of information while he was deciding whether or not to be a total f*cking idiot for halloween.

What is it with these people?
 
2013-11-09 02:56:34 PM  

Truther: Will we keep slipping further into a world of more and more political correctness?


Vector R: Sadly, because the PC rules surrounding this are utterly retarded,


AngryDragon: Tribalism and political correctness gone wild.


"Political Correctness" = backward whiteguyspeak for "WAHHHHHH! I don't get to say or do the dumb sh*t I used to! I have to actually think before I act! I have to realize that other people don't think as I do! I have to actually try not to be an asshole! THIS IS HARRRRRRRD!"
 
2013-11-09 02:57:48 PM  

rewind2846: FTA: "Blackface has its roots in performances from the 19th century, when actors would apply dark face paint and portray black people in mocking, stereotyping caricatures."

Yeah... you would think that an educated (as in college) school vice principal just might remember this little tidbit of information while he was deciding whether or not to be a total f*cking idiot for halloween.

What is it with these people?


Why won't anyone think of the constantly offended?!

That said, a school VP should have better sense to know that such people do exist and are very whiny/vocal and should avoid courting such controversy even though it is wholly, undeniably, unarguably, at holy shiat STFU levels of unjustifiability
 
2013-11-09 03:01:14 PM  

rewind2846: Truther: Will we keep slipping further into a world of more and more political correctness?

Vector R: Sadly, because the PC rules surrounding this are utterly retarded,

AngryDragon: Tribalism and political correctness gone wild.

"Political Correctness" = backward whiteguyspeak for "WAHHHHHH! I don't get to say or do the dumb sh*t I used to! I have to actually think before I act! I have to realize that other people don't think as I do! I have to actually try not to be an asshole! THIS IS HARRRRRRRD!"


Do you force your female friends and family members to dress modestly so as to not offend hyper-religious people with their wanton displays of fleshy temptation? Not everyone thinks as you do. You really should be more considerate of the absurd opinions people hold, bigot
 
2013-11-09 03:10:25 PM  
After doing some research on the topic, I must admit I was a little ignorant when submitting it. I always thought that "blackface" was about putting on crude dark makeup, leaving plenty of space around the eyes and lips not to conceal your actual skin colour. I also assumed that people did this in a similar fashion as the KKK "ghosts," in order to intimidate minorities.

After some quick Googling, it seems that ANY portrayal of a white person of a black person is considered "blackface," and that for the most part it was used in performing arts and became considered racist during the civil rights movement. It was used usually from a comedic standpoint, to exaggerate personality traits of African-American culture.

I'm do not believe I'm racist, but watching some "blackface" comedy and cartoons on YouTube had me laughing. Perhaps growing up in a very multicultural city and being white has allowed me to have a sheltered life from the evils of racism, but a huge part of comedy is exaggerating aspects of certain things. I consider myself a bit of a nerd, but I am hardly offended by The Big Bang Theory, in fact it is one of my favourite shows. Perhaps as a society we are still too racist, but I do believe that at some point someone of colour will be able to watch those old cartoons and get a good kick out of them.

For what it is worth, if my comments or headline offended anybody of colour in this thread I apologize.
 
2013-11-09 03:10:34 PM  

Witness99: rewind2846: Truther: Will we keep slipping further into a world of more and more political correctness?

Vector R: Sadly, because the PC rules surrounding this are utterly retarded,

AngryDragon: Tribalism and political correctness gone wild.

"Political Correctness" = backward whiteguyspeak for "WAHHHHHH! I don't get to say or do the dumb sh*t I used to! I have to actually think before I act! I have to realize that other people don't think as I do! I have to actually try not to be an asshole! THIS IS HARRRRRRRD!"

Does the color of your skin bother you so much that you'd rather see a white guy try to pull off a "white" Mr. T, or do you feel you own the persona of Mr. T? How would you feel about a white guy wearing a Mr. T rubber or plastic mask with accurate skin tone? Im honestly interested in how you feel about this.


Whoa he's black? I assumed he was another white guy doing the "I'm so tolerant I am willing to look like a farking fool to show you" act. Black dude who actually is offended by this needs help
 
2013-11-09 03:22:02 PM  

skullkrusher: Do you force your female friends and family members to dress modestly so as to not offend hyper-religious people with their wanton displays of fleshy temptation?


This country has long, long, LONG history with images and stereotypes of black people. Not so much with people whose religion requires them to dress in a certain manner. If the people you mean are Muslims, this is fairly recent, and Muslims who come here from other nations or who are citizens who convert to that religion have this whole "hottie shorts with the ass hanging out" thing in american culture figured out.

Also, being Muslim or "christian" is something that's in your head, and not in your flesh. You can always change your mind, but unless you have a skin condition you're not going to change your color permanently, nor will you change your features without surgery.

Grab a bunch of people at random, dress them in t-shirts and jeans, and find the christian or Muslim or atheist or Jew or New Ager or Hindu or Confucian or Buddhist. Not pick out the black people, the Asian people, the white people, the Indian people, the Hispanic people (yes I know Hispanics come in all colors, so it will be more difficult). But you get the meaning.

Work on that analogy thing. You'll get it.
 
2013-11-09 03:33:18 PM  

Electrify: I consider myself a bit of a nerd, but I am hardly offended by The Big Bang Theory, in fact it is one of my favourite shows. Perhaps as a society we are still too racist, but I do believe that at some point someone of colour will be able to watch those old cartoons and get a good kick out of them.


Doubtful. You can always stop being a nerd. Not too many people can stop being black, Asian, white, whatever. It's kind of a done deal once the genetics do their thing, and unfortunately those genetics still determine how you are treated by the society in which you live. This is why these stereotypes are still so offensive... it hasn't been that long (within my lifetime) that they were freely and profusely used as comedic devices, and there are still too many white people who hold the beliefs put forth in these denigrating depictions as fact.

Maybe once these stereotypes are no longer held up as examples for why people of color should be treated differently from those in the majority people can watch these cartoons and "get a good kick out of them". That day hasn't come yet, because when people of color see them they are reminded not only of how things were in the very recent past but how they still, in a lesser way, are today.
 
2013-11-09 03:33:55 PM  

rewind2846: skullkrusher: Do you force your female friends and family members to dress modestly so as to not offend hyper-religious people with their wanton displays of fleshy temptation?

This country has long, long, LONG history with images and stereotypes of black people. Not so much with people whose religion requires them to dress in a certain manner. If the people you mean are Muslims, this is fairly recent, and Muslims who come here from other nations or who are citizens who convert to that religion have this whole "hottie shorts with the ass hanging out" thing in american culture figured out.

Also, being Muslim or "christian" is something that's in your head, and not in your flesh. You can always change your mind, but unless you have a skin condition you're not going to change your color permanently, nor will you change your features without surgery.

Grab a bunch of people at random, dress them in t-shirts and jeans, and find the christian or Muslim or atheist or Jew or New Ager or Hindu or Confucian or Buddhist. Not pick out the black people, the Asian people, the white people, the Indian people, the Hispanic people (yes I know Hispanics come in all colors, so it will be more difficult). But you get the meaning.

Work on that analogy thing. You'll get it.


Perhaps if you weren't trying to be offended you'd find more people more willing to sympathize with you. Does this country have a long history of racism that persists to this day? Yes. Is a white guy dressing as Mr T in any way an example of that racism? Fark no. He didnt dress as a stereotype. he didnt act minstrelly. He dressed as a hugely popular character we all grew up loving as kids. Probably walked around saying shiat like "I pity the fool who runs in the hall." Stop trying to be offended and you'll find more supporters when you actually have a reason to be.
 
2013-11-09 03:36:42 PM  

Witness99: skullkrusher: Witness99: rewind2846: Truther: Will we keep slipping further into a world of more and more political correctness?

Vector R: Sadly, because the PC rules surrounding this are utterly retarded,

AngryDragon: Tribalism and political correctness gone wild.

"Political Correctness" = backward whiteguyspeak for "WAHHHHHH! I don't get to say or do the dumb sh*t I used to! I have to actually think before I act! I have to realize that other people don't think as I do! I have to actually try not to be an asshole! THIS IS HARRRRRRRD!"

Does the color of your skin bother you so much that you'd rather see a white guy try to pull off a "white" Mr. T, or do you feel you own the persona of Mr. T? How would you feel about a white guy wearing a Mr. T rubber or plastic mask with accurate skin tone? Im honestly interested in how you feel about this.

Whoa he's black? I assumed he was another white guy doing the "I'm so tolerant I am willing to look like a farking fool to show you" act. Black dude who actually is offended by this needs help

I'm not sure what race this particular poster is, but I'm working off the assumption that the black community feels offended by this. I honestly don't know why. The vast spectrum of skin color we have as humans is beautiful and should be celebrated. There are people of all colors to be admired and celebrated (and yes, "white" is a color as well). I don't know why anyone has a problem with someone of any color wanting to portray people of other colors in an admirable, good natured way. Mr. T and his character on the show was pretty awesome.


Exactly. This wasn't a random
black guy he was dressing as and breaking out stereotypes. He was dressed as Mr Farking T.
 
2013-11-09 03:41:08 PM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: AngryDragon: Remember kids.

THIS is racist.

[www.thestar.com image 545x365]

THIS is not.

[i.imgur.com image 299x444]

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 335x475]

Don't forget this one.   We never got the sequel because "that's racist!"

It was to be called "Black Men Can't Swim"


I thought is was called "Black Men Can't Get Credit"
 
2013-11-09 03:56:19 PM  

skullkrusher: Perhaps if you weren't trying to be offended you'd find more people more willing to sympathize with you. Does this country have a long history of racism that persists to this day?


See, this is where you miss the whole point, as it shoots by without disturbing a single hair. I'm old enough to remember the separate water fountains, the back of the bus, the balcony seats in the movie theater, even as a small child. And you know what? The people who had to endure all that and more are still here. They haven't gone away. This is not as much "history" as those who would like to dismiss others feelings would like it to be, especially as long as there are those alive who remember.

My father is still around... he's 76 years old, and grew up in North Carolina. He showed me where he went to school (across the tracks) where he played, and where he was regularly spit on and had things thrown at him as he walked to school by the white kids in the shiny new school bus they rode in to their classes while he walked the 3 miles to his. Also, the whites of the town wouldn't allow the building he took classes in to be called a "high school" because they didn't want any "confusion" with the school their children attended... it was called a "training academy" instead.

The issue though is not just that the racist beliefs codified in these stereotypical portrayals are what "used to be", but that they are still what too many believe NOW. The history of this crap is still way too recent to just be brushed off as anachronistic noise by those who lived it.

But of course those who never experienced it or had their parents or grandparents go through it would not understand as well. It's one thing to read about this in a history book, putting boundaries of time and experience between you and understanding... but it's a whole different experience to look into the eyes of a person who's had the experience as they tell you "how it was".
 
2013-11-09 04:02:55 PM  

rewind2846: skullkrusher: Perhaps if you weren't trying to be offended you'd find more people more willing to sympathize with you. Does this country have a long history of racism that persists to this day?

See, this is where you miss the whole point, as it shoots by without disturbing a single hair. I'm old enough to remember the separate water fountains, the back of the bus, the balcony seats in the movie theater, even as a small child. And you know what? The people who had to endure all that and more are still here. They haven't gone away. This is not as much "history" as those who would like to dismiss others feelings would like it to be, especially as long as there are those alive who remember.

My father is still around... he's 76 years old, and grew up in North Carolina. He showed me where he went to school (across the tracks) where he played, and where he was regularly spit on and had things thrown at him as he walked to school by the white kids in the shiny new school bus they rode in to their classes while he walked the 3 miles to his. Also, the whites of the town wouldn't allow the building he took classes in to be called a "high school" because they didn't want any "confusion" with the school their children attended... it was called a "training academy" instead.

The issue though is not just that the racist beliefs codified in these stereotypical portrayals are what "used to be", but that they are still what too many believe NOW. The history of this crap is still way too recent to just be brushed off as anachronistic noise by those who lived it.

But of course those who never experienced it or had their parents or grandparents go through it would not understand as well. It's one thing to read about this in a history book, putting boundaries of time and experience between you and understanding... but it's a whole different experience to look into the eyes of a person who's had the experience as they tell you "how it was".


And if a guy dressing in costume that resembles nothing like blackface dredges up old memories the problem is with you and not white dudes wanting to be assholes. I get what you're saying, you are just making too much of an incredible leap to get there.
 
2013-11-09 04:09:33 PM  

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: AngryDragon: Remember kids.

THIS is racist.

[www.thestar.com image 545x365]

THIS is not.

[i.imgur.com image 299x444]

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 335x475]

Don't forget this one.   We never got the sequel because "that's racist!"

It was to be called "Black Men Can't Swim"

I thought is was called "Black Men Can't Get Credit"


No, it was called "Black Men Don't Pay Child Support".
 
2013-11-09 04:40:57 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Rembrant_Q_Einstein: Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: AngryDragon: Remember kids.

THIS is racist.

[www.thestar.com image 545x365]

THIS is not.

[i.imgur.com image 299x444]

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 335x475]

Don't forget this one.   We never got the sequel because "that's racist!"

It was to be called "Black Men Can't Swim"

I thought is was called "Black Men Can't Get Credit"

No, it was called "Black Men Don't Pay Child Support".


This is what bigotry looks like, rewind
 
2013-11-09 05:12:58 PM  

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: AngryDragon: Remember kids.

THIS is racist.

[www.thestar.com image 545x365]

THIS is not.

[i.imgur.com image 299x444]

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 335x475]

Don't forget this one.   We never got the sequel because "that's racist!"

It was to be called "Black Men Can't Swim"

I thought is was called "Black Men Can't Get Credit"


I thought it was "Yellow Men Can't Drive" and the third installment was going to be "Red Men Can't Drink".

/try the veal
 
2013-11-09 05:58:07 PM  
Personally, I feel if you're dressing up as a black person, then it's "black face" and inappropriate.
If you're dressing up as a specific black person then it's fine.

Case in point: Billy Crystal as Sammy Davis Jr.
 
2013-11-09 06:41:55 PM  

Truther: Why? I know you can't answer this, but why should he have known better?

Will we keep slipping further into a world of more and more political correctness?


When the Supreme Court doesn't neuter the Voting Rights Act, and states don't immediately make it harder to vote?
 
2013-11-09 06:55:24 PM  

Witness99: Stop living in your father's past.


And here we have another who doesn't get it. I'm not living my father's past... he lives in it himself just fine, thank you. I'm living in MY past, because that is where people draw their experiences from. While I was fortunate enough not to have experienced racism in the heaping quantities that my father did, partially as a consequence of his moving my family north while I was still a child, as I said before this is not as much about what happened THEN as what is still happening NOW.

If people of color weren't being dragged behind trucks NOW this would not be as much an issue.
If people of color weren't being pulled over by cops for being in the "wrong neighborhood" NOW this would not be as much an issue.
If people of color weren't purposely denied their voting rights NOW this would not be as much an issue.
If people of color weren't being still being turned away from employment because their name was too "ethnic" on their resumes NOW this would not be as much an issue.
If people of color didn't have to deal with harassment from their employers because of their natural hairstyles NOW this would not be as much an issue.

And so on. Basically, if I could have to go through one day in my life where I'm not reminded of the color of my skin and all that implies in this society, this would not be so much an issue. That day has not happened yet. From the white woman who clutches her purse in the elevator to the guy at the store who watches me like a hawk while white people rob him blind, that day has not come.

If NOW weren't still happening, THEN wouldn't be so much an issue.
 
2013-11-09 08:12:20 PM  

rewind2846: If people of color weren't being dragged behind trucks NOW this would not be as much an issue.


Are you really gonna use moral equivalency of murder to a guy dressing up as Mr.T on Halloween?

Perspective...get some.
 
2013-11-09 10:27:18 PM  

mr lawson: rewind2846: If people of color weren't being dragged behind trucks NOW this would not be as much an issue.

Are you really gonna use moral equivalency of murder to a guy dressing up as Mr.T on Halloween?

Perspective...get some.


Everything ties into everything else. It wasn't just "a murder" for the same reason the deaths of millions of European Jews weren't "just murders", the deaths of thousands of Cambodians at the hands of the Khmer Rouge weren't "just murders", or the millions who died at Stalin's hands weren't "just murders". Context is everything. History is important. Crack a farking book.

Clue. Get one.
 
2013-11-09 10:32:48 PM  

rewind2846: Context is everything.


Please enlighten us all on the context connection between dressing up as Mr. T for Halloween and murder.
 
2013-11-09 11:27:53 PM  
...Mr. T is black?
 
2013-11-10 12:58:39 AM  

skullkrusher: That said, a school VP should have better sense to know that such people do exist and are very whiny/vocal and should avoid courting such controversy even though it is wholly, undeniably, unarguably, at holy shiat STFU levels of unjustifiability


That's kind of my take on it. He didn't mean to be offensive, but he came off as such to enough people that it got reported to the school board and the media. The implication in the stories is that this is more than just one or two people with sandy vaginas that got offended by this. I doubt that it's the whole school banding together to report him, mind you.

The topic of racism vs oversensitivity/paranoia does need to be broached. Just not in a public school by the vice principal. That's an area where people can and will lose their jobs by either getting outright fired or pressured heavily to resign. It's an area of open landmines and that's not the proper place for a costume that is very likely to offend a lot of people. I think that what probably irritated a lot of people is that the guy didn't seem to have actually taken any of this into account when he designed the costume. It's foolish and again, a high school is not the place to rock boats.
 
2013-11-10 02:16:43 AM  
rewind2846:
And so on. Basically, if I could have to go through one day in my life where I'm not reminded of the color of my skin and all that implies in this society, this would not be so much an issue. That day has not happened yet. From the white woman who clutches her purse in the elevator to the guy at the store who watches me like a hawk while white people rob him blind, that day has not come.

shiat, clutching a purse? I once saw a white girl walking toward me catch sight of me, stop in her tracks, turn around, and hurry off in the opposite direction just to avoid walking past me down the OTHER side of the street. To be fair, it was at night and no one else was around, but damn, she looked like she'd seen a werewolf.
 
2013-11-10 03:52:11 AM  

boinkingbill: WhyKnot: Clearly his costume would have been more appropriate if the would have jut gone as a white dude with a Mohawk and chains.   His costume would have sucked, but as least a few people in the community and on the internet wouldn't find insensitive.

Maybe just maybe we have taken being politically correct too far.

Mohawk?  That is the American Indian version of black face.


"You can't use that hair. That's OUR hair."
 
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