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2013-11-09 02:26:56 AM

The Angry Hand of God: As someone who just installed a Crimson Trace laser sight on my Glock 23,


Oops, too bad you're not allowed to own an AK-47, so have fun when the FTA comes knocking on your door.
 
2013-11-09 02:27:48 AM
Once again, people with expertise and access to specialized tools have always been able to make firearms. It's been this way for what? 500+ years now?

Here's something that will shock the ignorant masses.... in many neighborhoods there is a guy who has a lathe, a drill press, and a milling machine in his garage or basement. usually old used stuff discarded from a factories and machine shops. Decades old. Or maybe just cheapies from Harbor Freight. Because he knows how to use these tools he can make his own firearms. He might even have a brake press to form sheet metal parts.

But here's the rub.... making guns this way costs way more in time, effort, and total monetary cost than just buying one. People who make their own guns are not a problem. 99.999999% of the time or so. Why? They have skills and intelligence that allows them to make a living without being a criminal.
 
2013-11-09 02:31:44 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: The Angry Hand of God: As someone who just installed a Crimson Trace laser sight on my Glock 23,

Oops, too bad you're not allowed to own an AK-47, so have fun when the FTA comes knocking on your door.


I am legally allowed to own an AK-47. The ATF? Wat?
 
2013-11-09 02:40:25 AM

The Angry Hand of God: thisisyourbrainonFark: The Angry Hand of God: As someone who just installed a Crimson Trace laser sight on my Glock 23,

Oops, too bad you're not allowed to own an AK-47, so have fun when the FTA comes knocking on your door.

I am legally allowed to own an AK-47. The ATF? Wat?


Wow, you really don't know that you done goofed, do you?
 
2013-11-09 02:43:29 AM

leadmetal: Once again, people with expertise and access to specialized tools have always been able to make firearms. It's been this way for what? 500+ years now?

Here's something that will shock the ignorant masses.... in many neighborhoods there is a guy who has a lathe, a drill press, and a milling machine in his garage or basement. usually old used stuff discarded from a factories and machine shops. Decades old. Or maybe just cheapies from Harbor Freight. Because he knows how to use these tools he can make his own firearms. He might even have a brake press to form sheet metal parts.

But here's the rub.... making guns this way costs way more in time, effort, and total monetary cost than just buying one. People who make their own guns are not a problem. 99.999999% of the time or so. Why? They have skills and intelligence that allows them to make a living without being a criminal.


Big difference between a guy taking years of his life to learn metal working and a guy pushing 'print.'

/Yes I know the printers are expensive, heat treatment used blah blah blah.
 
2013-11-09 02:45:41 AM

Elfich: I expect something as complex as a jet turbine will not be 100% 3D printed for a while. We don't have the printing capacity to manufacture items that large in the required volume.


NASA and Aerojet Rocketdyne of West Palm Beach, Fla., recently finished testing a rocket engine injector made through additive manufacturing, or 3-D printing.

'This is a 3D printed jet engine' Its a model, but the turbine turns freely.
 
2013-11-09 02:46:00 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Oops, too bad you're not allowed to own an AK-47, so have fun when the FTA comes knocking on your door.


If you can legally own a Glock 23, you sure as hell can own an AK-47.  In fact, if you pay for the tax stamp, there's no legal reason why you couldn't own a fully automatic version of the AK-47, assuming you have $16K to get a transferable one and you state doesn't have some bullshiat laws preventing you.

And what's the FTA?  Is that your way of coming out of the closet as a full retard?  You never go full retard, man.  Not in public.
 
2013-11-09 02:47:42 AM

The Angry Hand of God: As someone who just installed a Crimson Trace laser sight on my Glock 23, I would bet I have better accuracy for $750 (gun and sight) than a 3-d printed 1911, for a third the price.

It is like buying a Macbook.


Iron sights are the way to go. Man up.
 
2013-11-09 02:49:55 AM
I think thisisyourbrain was making a joke.
 
2013-11-09 02:52:29 AM
Get back to me when they can print an army of metallic bionic tortoises.
 
2013-11-09 02:56:59 AM
I have yet to read the article but after reading the subject line I'd like to point out that not everybody who hears voices a convicted felon. In fact the voices can get so damn distracting that it's hard to get anything accomplished, even things that are perfectly legal. Like grocery shopping. Or washing dishes. And there are cameras everywhere. "Stand up straight, it's on your permanent record. And stop moving your lips. You don't want them saying 'Look, here's the guy who talks to himself as he bends over the broccoli!' do you?"
 
2013-11-09 03:07:22 AM

Bigdogdaddy: It's probably against the law to manufacture any type of pistol without a serial number.  I wonder if they broke the law just by making that if it doesn't have one?


Not in the least. It's inadvisable to sell a gun without one, but I inherited several from my grandfather that were without numbers. If they were to sell it, the ATF my give them a call, but I believe that have an FFL for manufacturing and it's not likely they're going to part with a prototype.
 
2013-11-09 03:11:47 AM

Witty_Retort: leadmetal: Once again, people with expertise and access to specialized tools have always been able to make firearms. It's been this way for what? 500+ years now?

Here's something that will shock the ignorant masses.... in many neighborhoods there is a guy who has a lathe, a drill press, and a milling machine in his garage or basement. usually old used stuff discarded from a factories and machine shops. Decades old. Or maybe just cheapies from Harbor Freight. Because he knows how to use these tools he can make his own firearms. He might even have a brake press to form sheet metal parts.

But here's the rub.... making guns this way costs way more in time, effort, and total monetary cost than just buying one. People who make their own guns are not a problem. 99.999999% of the time or so. Why? They have skills and intelligence that allows them to make a living without being a criminal.

Big difference between a guy taking years of his life to learn metal working and a guy pushing 'print.'

/Yes I know the printers are expensive, heat treatment used blah blah blah.


Are you against CNC mills then? You can set one up yourself for about $1500. And it doesn't take years to learn how to machine parts. Anyone who can chuck a drill bit could make a semi-auto gun in a weekend.
 
2013-11-09 03:16:39 AM

GodComplex: Anyone who can chuck a drill bit could make a semi-auto gun in a weekend.


Somehow, I doubt that Joe Schmuck is going to go down to home depot, buy himself a 1500 dollar "CNC MILL", and start cranking out quality firearms in a weekend.

The more likely scenario is that Joe Schmuck goes down, spends 30 dollars, and uses his home drill to turn a piece of metal pipe and pipe-cap, spring, and a nail into a zip gun.
 
2013-11-09 03:16:47 AM
SpaceX is already printing rocket engines.
 
2013-11-09 04:03:25 AM
Pretty soon, 3D printers will be printing 3d printers. Humans will become just sources of red pigment.
 
2013-11-09 04:19:46 AM

Notabunny: Whatever. Print a house.


That was a great talk. Thank you.
 
2013-11-09 04:36:18 AM
Oh my look at what they've done... The maker community must be just drooling over this, NOT.   Baring having upwards of $750k to spend on a laser sintering system there won't be any sudden rash of 3d handgun fire going on.  One of these things has about as much to do with the average garage based 3d printer as a Ferrari has to do with a skateboard made by nailing the wheels from an old roller skate onto a 2x4.  The video and attendant internet buzz over this is what's commonly known as a publicity stunt by Solid Concepts, nothing more.
 
2013-11-09 04:46:25 AM

Memoryalpha: Oh my look at what they've done... The maker community must be just drooling over this, NOT.   Baring having upwards of $750k to spend on a laser sintering system there won't be any sudden rash of 3d handgun fire going on.  One of these things has about as much to do with the average garage based 3d printer as a Ferrari has to do with a skateboard made by nailing the wheels from an old roller skate onto a 2x4.  The video and attendant internet buzz over this is what's commonly known as a publicity stunt by Solid Concepts, nothing more.


It's not about the maker community, it's about the limp wristed, crybaby pussies who are terrified of anything that goes 'bang',
 
2013-11-09 04:54:38 AM

Memoryalpha: Oh my look at what they've done... The maker community must be just drooling over this, NOT.   Baring having upwards of $750k to spend on a laser sintering system there won't be any sudden rash of 3d handgun fire going on.  One of these things has about as much to do with the average garage based 3d printer as a Ferrari has to do with a skateboard made by nailing the wheels from an old roller skate onto a 2x4.  The video and attendant internet buzz over this is what's commonly known as a publicity stunt by Solid Concepts, nothing more.


*rushes to garage to get started on skateboard Ferrari*
 
2013-11-09 05:11:49 AM
"It's very accurate indeed," he said. "We gave it to our resident gun expert and after firing a few rounds with it, and a commercially available version, he found the printed firearm was more accurate on the range."

Sounds like some intense testing. I'm convinced.
 
2013-11-09 05:21:29 AM
People, especially the kinds of have been victims of modern propaganda, seem to think that guns can only be made in the fires of mount doom by a bearded warlock.
Truth is they can be made by anyone with a hacksaw and some pipe.

Its a very old technology that's not difficult to understand.
But, while anyone can make a gun, not anyone can make a good gun.
To make one that fires true and reliably requires properly fit parts built to exacting tolerances and assembled with a masters touch. Its like saying anyone can build a car but only Ferrari can make a rolling work of art that goes two hundred miles an hour.

As a technical demonstration, guns make very good subjects. It shows that 3D printing is coming of age and can do ANY job the customer has in mind.
The fact that someone's going to wet their pants about a new 1911, well I guess that's just free advertising.

/I mean, the things a century old and available for around $500 at any average gun store.
/its also a very common project gun, you can order blanks through the mail.
/are people really this insecure about weapons?
 
2013-11-09 05:59:19 AM

jjorsett: This is just a company showing off its capabilities by making something sure to get it publicity. Their equipment is way beyond what a criminal could afford or even know how to operate. If someone were determined to make this type of gun themselves, it would probably be cheaper and faster to obtain standard machine tools and get training on how to use them.


Shut up!

My makerbot can make that gun too!

I just have to print some replacement parts for it first.

Because the parts it came with don't work.
 
2013-11-09 06:16:39 AM

Bigdogdaddy: It has to be heat treated, which is something most people don't have access to,  Probably around 1500 degrees F and  quenched by someone that knew metallurgy.  Not really worried about this until they can get past that part.


There are millions of places that will heat treat things for you and it's not expensive.

jjorsett: This is just a company showing off its capabilities by making something sure to get it publicity. Their equipment is way beyond what a criminal could afford or even know how to operate. If someone were determined to make this type of gun themselves, it would probably be cheaper and faster to obtain standard machine tools and get training on how to use them.


A bench grinder, mill and a lathe are all you need to make a basic revolver. Finding a working rifling machine for sale is the hard part. Good thing a little googling will give you all you need to know on how to build one with the tools above.

Or you could just go to a gun show and buy pretty much anything you want without a background check for much cheaper. This is why I view anyone that has big dreams of 3D printing a gun in their garage as gun masturbating, bullet counting dipshiats. There are so many cheaper and easier ways to get a firearm, and it's not going to change in the current political environment. Bonus:It probably wont blow up in your hand when you fire the damn thing.
 
2013-11-09 06:37:16 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Fubini: That said, handguns have been "accurate enough" for most uses for about 100 years or so now, so maybe it's all moot.

Luddite. We have now reached the point where we can reproduce 19th century technology in a much more complex, expensive and resource-intensive way than before.

If that isn't the future you want to live in, well then I suggest you grab the next Virgin Galactic Space Ship to Moon Colony Gingrich.


Missed the point again QA? The point is that we (humans) took a labour intensive manual process and automated it. This will lead to us being able to print guns to fight the aliens on Barsoom.

You just don`t get it. I`m not sure you ever will.

*sigh*
 
2013-11-09 06:41:11 AM
way south:
/I mean, the things a century old and available for around $500 at any average gun store.
/its also a very common project gun, you can order blanks through the mail.
/are people really this insecure about weapons?


The British are.

Remember, this is an article from a UK news source.  The United Kingdom has famously strict gun laws, especially regarding handguns, and the idea that somebody could push a button on a machine and 3-D print a handgun that's actually better than a factory made one is a nightmare for gun grabbers.

Given the spin on it, I'm somewhat surprised this wasn't a Daily Fail article.
 
2013-11-09 06:56:43 AM

Notabunny: Whatever. Print a house.


Um, could somebody print me a kitten?
 
2013-11-09 07:10:03 AM

BitwiseShift:

The only parts there weren't printed were four small springs and the magazines.

I remember when magazines were printed, kindle was what you did with fire wood, and onions were sold in finer men's accessories departments in downtown stores.


Huh? Onions are FOOD, man. The kind you eat when you're not sure you drank too much to get it up but you don't want to be bothered anyway.


And guns and typewriters were made by the same company.

IBM made guns?


Smackledorfer: BitwiseShift:

The only parts there weren't printed were four small springs and the magazines.

I remember when magazines were printed...

You are older than gun magazines?


It turns out I'm not older than this one. Or this one either.

I gotta get some sleep. The voices say I'm tired.
 
2013-11-09 07:36:30 AM

cretinbob: and it only costs $1 million


Mostly a better article, but then they go and do this: "You can't print gunpowder (yet)"

No grasp of chemistry at all.  None.
 
2013-11-09 07:40:17 AM
sammyk:
Or you could just go to a gun show and buy pretty much anything you want without a background check for much cheaper.

No, you really can't.

You can buy all sorts of different firearms at a gun show, but that "without a background check" part is just plain false.
 
2013-11-09 07:41:15 AM

ecl: So would a 3d printed sniper rifle be any better or are those things already as close to perfect as you can get?


No. While it could be argued that one could make the receiver from 3d printing (at an obscene cost compared to conventional means) the barrel is the problem. Yes, you could theoretically print one. But the properties would be terrible. Not to mention dangerous. Most guns for field use plate the working parts with nickel. This prevents corrosion from gunpowder or water. Not something that could be done easily or cheaply by 3d printing.

The plating is only a few atoms thick. Thicker would alter the performance of the gun.

And the we get to the optics. Unless you are content with plastic lenses and prisms, glass would be prohibitively expensive to 3d print.

And none of the 3d printing process cuts down on the testing, verification, and calibration that goes into a sniper rifle. And those are the *really* expensive bits.
 
2013-11-09 07:42:27 AM

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Obligatory.

Witty_Retort: Elfich: I expect something as complex as a jet turbine will not be 100% 3D printed for a while. We don't have the printing capacity to manufacture items that large in the required volume.

NASA and Aerojet Rocketdyne of West Palm Beach, Fla., recently finished testing a rocket engine injector made through additive manufacturing, or 3-D printing.

'This is a 3D printed jet engine' Its a model, but the turbine turns freely.


I'm not a materials scientist. But, as I understand it, turbine blades are single crystal solids.

3d printing is surely going to have to get closer to the molecular level before we can produce those, surely?

/I also plan on not calling you Shirley.
 
2013-11-09 07:46:24 AM

The One True TheDavid: Notabunny: Whatever. Print a house.

Um, could somebody print me a kitten?


You're gonna need a meat printer
 
2013-11-09 07:46:31 AM
Who the fark says 3d printing implies anything about home use?
 
2013-11-09 08:07:05 AM

Evil Twin Skippy: Not something that could be done easily or cheaply by 3d printing.


NASA is planning to 3D print the combustion chambers and injectors of the updated F-1 which require materials and exposure to corrosion well beyond anything in a puny little gun, so I think you left off a very important word from that sentence: yet. This is getting damn close to being an engineering problem, not a science one and those usually get solved. And after that, they usually start to get cheaper. At this point printing those parts is already going to be cheaper and more reliable than the old fashioned hand welding methods.
 
2013-11-09 08:09:55 AM

Chunky Pumpkinhead: Bigdogdaddy: It has to be heat treated, which is something most people don't have access to,  Probably around 1500 degrees F and  quenched by someone that knew metallurgy.  Not really worried about this until they can get past that part.

bag o' coal, leaf blower, bucket o' water


Wonder Twin Powers, ACTIVATE!
 
2013-11-09 08:26:13 AM

cretinbob: and it only costs $1 million


Better regulate it quick then.
 
2013-11-09 08:34:59 AM
*Yawn*
Wake me up when I can finally 3d print a full-sized blue whale like I've always wanted. (gets back to dreaming of conquering the world while riding that thing)
 
2013-11-09 08:39:45 AM
People have been making guns out of sintered powdered metal for decades. They are cheap, crappy firearms that fail much more quickly than guns made from stamped or forged steel.

This is what I'm talking about.

sensiblesurvival.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-09 08:41:17 AM
 Wow, I would like to retract my previous snark regarding "3d printed zip guns/ pipe bombs".
Also, I want a 3d metal printer.
 
2013-11-09 08:42:02 AM
I thought they said the point of it was to show that a 3D metal printed item could withstand the same stresses that traditional forged metal could.
 
2013-11-09 08:51:16 AM

KellyX: I thought they said the point of it was to show that a 3D metal printed item could withstand the same stresses that traditional forged metal could.


Initial stress test, yeah. I want to see them run 10,000 rounds through it. It'll go boom; forging aligns the metallic structure of steel into something much stronger than a weld.
 
2013-11-09 08:56:55 AM

Bigdogdaddy: It's probably against the law to manufacture any type of pistol without a serial number.  I wonder if they broke the law just by making that if it doesn't have one?


All firearms are produced without serial numbers; they get added later.

Manufactured to closer tolerances means less reliability, obviously.  One of the nice things about 1911s is that you can tune the gun to your specific needs.  A race gun that only has to run 100 rounds between cleaning and parts replacement will be more accurate than an rattle-trap that just needs to go bang every time.
 
2013-11-09 09:03:22 AM

cirby: sammyk:
Or you could just go to a gun show and buy pretty much anything you want without a background check for much cheaper.

No, you really can't.

You can buy all sorts of different firearms at a gun show, but that "without a background check" part is just plain false.


Why do people cling to the belief that private gun sellers at gun shows run background checks?  Cash is King, and none of them give a crap what on plan on doing with that gun later.

If you'd like an education, call one of THESE http://thriftynickelpensacola.com/ad-category-pensacola-fl- thrifty-nic kel/sporting-goods-thrifty-nickel-pensacola-fl-classifieds/ clowns and educate yourself.

This is why it' called the "gun show loophole", and it's a perfect venue for ineligible people to acquire their guns.
 
2013-11-09 09:08:50 AM
Meh. Wake me up when we can do 4D printing.

Nobody likes 3D anyway.
 
2013-11-09 09:11:16 AM

mbillips: KellyX: I thought they said the point of it was to show that a 3D metal printed item could withstand the same stresses that traditional forged metal could.

Initial stress test, yeah. I want to see them run 10,000 rounds through it. It'll go boom; forging aligns the metallic structure of steel into something much stronger than a weld.


This.  And simply forging the barrel isn't enough.  Heat treatment or cold hammering is necessary.  I doubt giving the printed barrel any of that strengthening is even possible.  They do the strengthening before final milling, because the treatment tends to change the caliber of the barrel.  They may want to buy the barrel, or not print one.
 
2013-11-09 09:13:51 AM

Turbo Cojones: cirby: sammyk:
Or you could just go to a gun show and buy pretty much anything you want without a background check for much cheaper.

No, you really can't.

You can buy all sorts of different firearms at a gun show, but that "without a background check" part is just plain false.

Why do people cling to the belief that private gun sellers at gun shows run background checks?  Cash is King, and none of them give a crap what on plan on doing with that gun later.

If you'd like an education, call one of THESE http://thriftynickelpensacola.com/ad-category-pensacola-fl- thrifty-nic kel/sporting-goods-thrifty-nickel-pensacola-fl-classifieds/ clowns and educate yourself.

This is why it' called the "gun show loophole", and it's a perfect venue for ineligible people to acquire their guns.


In my state you are required to have a purchase permit for a handgun purchase from a private seller.  That permit includes a background check.  The only exceptions are purchasing from a Class 1 FFL dealer, who will run a background check at time of purchase or holding a valid CPL.  CPL carriers are checked out more than police applicants.

So your exception is not universal.  You will not walk out of a gun show with a firearms here without having been checked out.
 
2013-11-09 09:20:36 AM
And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
 
2013-11-09 09:24:01 AM

The One True TheDavid: Um, could somebody print me a kitten?


No, but how about something more useful, like replacement human organs from your own cells?

https://www.google.com/#q=3d+print+human+organs
 
2013-11-09 09:27:51 AM

The One True TheDavid: Notabunny: Whatever. Print a house.

Um, could somebody print me a kitten?


www.housemd-guide.com

Both equally disturbed at the idea of being printed.
 
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