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2013-11-08 09:09:57 PM
Most people lose their jobs over a DUI?
 
2013-11-08 09:10:08 PM
Unless you are a grade school bus driver - no one loses their job over a DUI.
 
2013-11-08 09:10:50 PM
who are these 'most people'?
 
2013-11-08 09:11:03 PM
We've known this forever.  Cops are pigs.  Cops are ruthless.  Cops are above the law.

This will last until:

a) WELL-publicized event leads to a sea change.
b) Old farts fearing the drugged-upped hippies die, and the people who have been abused start getting a vote (Not blacks.  They don't count.  But there's quite a few white people).
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-08 09:12:07 PM
Not if you're a cop in my area. The city did try to fire him for the second DUI, but that was reversed on appeal.
 
2013-11-08 09:12:09 PM
FTFA: SPD Chief John Diaz reminded employees that community tolerance for officers driving drunk is "very low."

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2013-11-08 09:12:24 PM
I've known exactly one person who lost his job due to a DUI.  And I strongly suspect that was simply the convenient excuse to fire him since "You're an asshole" might have been a bit more tenuous to defend from a legal standpoint.
 
2013-11-08 09:13:03 PM
Most people lose their jobs over a DUI

lol wut
 
2013-11-08 09:15:06 PM
:sad trombone:

www.sitcomsonline.com
 
2013-11-08 09:16:15 PM
reminding them not to drink and drive

Dammit, I forgot again!
 
2013-11-08 09:16:24 PM

timujin: Most people lose their jobs over a DUI?


"most people" aren't CDL holders
"most people" can get a restricted license that enables them to get to and from work after a DUI.
 
2013-11-08 09:17:11 PM

"Most people lose their jobs over a DUI. Not if you're a cop in Seattle anywhere"


I swear the one thing I've ever seen a cop do that will have his union and his fellow officers drop him like a bad habit is a charge of pedophilia. Too much controversy and it would make them look so bad to say that fellow officer needs his day in court. Suspended with pay? More like they will kick you off the force as fast as possible with the union's blessing.

 
2013-11-08 09:17:15 PM
Well depending on where you live a DUI is a felony and many companies fire you if you get a felony.   But there are places it is not a felony.
 
2013-11-08 09:18:20 PM
or most jobs in most other places
 
2013-11-08 09:20:40 PM
They lose their jobs for killing people, but they don't go to jail. So this sounds about right.

Want to know how farked up SPD is? They can't find anybody that wants to be chief, including the the guys in their own department.
 
2013-11-08 09:22:32 PM

meyerkev: We've known this forever.  Cops are pigs.  Cops are ruthless.  Cops are above the law.

This will last until:

a) WELL-publicized event leads to a sea change.
b) Old farts fearing the drugged-upped hippies die, and the people who have been abused start getting a vote (Not blacks.  They don't count.  But there's quite a few white people).


Looks like you've covered it all.

Speaking for the public: check
Generalizing an entire profession with slang terminology: check
Generalizing an entire profession with broad, hyperbolic language: check
Making absolute statements about an entire profession that are patently false (including being dispelled by the article at hand): check.

Good job with those  really specific "solutions," too. I expect a sea of change from visionaries like you any day now.
 
2013-11-08 09:23:08 PM
Most people where I live do not get fired for a DUI conviction unless they were DUI while working or the penalties stemming from the DUI conviction keep them from performing their job.  Otherwise, you're usually alright.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-08 09:25:59 PM
If you have to drive for your job a DUI license suspension will get you fired. The cop in my area got a desk job until he got his license back.

If you just have a regular job, a DUI usually won't get you fired. I had a coworker who served time for a DUI wreck. We would have hired him back except he couldn't drive to work. Another coworker was arrested when records mistakenly said she violated probation for her DUI. She missed an important meeting, but managed to keep her job. Depends how important you are to the company.
 
2013-11-08 09:26:12 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: lol wut


Where I live, there is a mandatory minimum jail sentence for even a first offense, not counting the days you'll spend waiting to be arraigned and post bail.

Those of us who aren't one-percenters or public employees and miss a day of work tend to get fired.
 
2013-11-08 09:27:51 PM
If you lost your job for a DUI, I'd be the only one employed in a fifty-mile radius.
 
2013-11-08 09:28:49 PM

fnordfocus: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: lol wut

Where I live, there is a mandatory minimum jail sentence for even a first offense, not counting the days you'll spend waiting to be arraigned and post bail.

Those of us who aren't one-percenters or public employees and miss a day of work tend to get fired.


Is that a state thing or a local ordinance? Here in FL a DUI is a glorified parking ticket.
 
2013-11-08 09:30:46 PM

fnordfocus: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: lol wut

Where I live, there is a mandatory minimum jail sentence for even a first offense, not counting the days you'll spend waiting to be arraigned and post bail.

Those of us who aren't one-percenters or public employees and miss a day of work tend to get fired.


Really? In all cases?
 
2013-11-08 09:31:36 PM

gingerjet: Unless you are a grade school bus driver - no one loses their job over a DUI.


yeah, except, no


http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-easton-school-bus-driver-fired- d runken-driving-20131107,0,5286248.story
 
2013-11-08 09:33:02 PM

meyerkev: WELL-publicized event leads to a sea change


Nothing short of Murder One will get a cop fired in Seattle.  Yay, public-sector unions.
 
2013-11-08 09:33:33 PM

gingerjet: Unless you are a grade school bus driver - no one loses their job over a DUI.


They fired a guy at work for a DUI he had gotten two years prior.  He was up for a promotion and they ran a background check, discovered the DUI, and fired him on the spot.  Hell, my office fired a woman who had worked for the company for ten years because she was up for promotion and her credit was wrecked due to a divorce.  They didn't give her any leeway at all, just shiatcanned her once the background check came back.

Quite a few people get fired for background check related offenses.
 
2013-11-08 09:33:54 PM

fnordfocus: Where I live, there is a mandatory minimum jail sentence for even a first offense, not counting the days you'll spend waiting to be arraigned and post bail.

Those of us who aren't one-percenters or public employees and miss a day of work tend to get fired.


Very few jobs will fire you over a DUI. Even if you miss a few days for court and jail time. You can plan your court dates, and sometimes even when you serve your sentence, if any.
 
2013-11-08 09:34:21 PM

fnordfocus: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: lol wut

Where I live, there is a mandatory minimum jail sentence for even a first offense which is almost always a "suspended sentence" and is only served if you fark up during your probationary period or something that only applies when your BAC is above a certain level, not counting the days you'll spend waiting to be arraigned and post bail.

Those of us who aren't one-percenters or public employees and miss a day of work tend to get fired.


fixed for reality.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-08 09:34:45 PM
In much of the country you won't serve time for a low grade DUI. There's a usual deal in most courts for a standard DUI with no aggravating circumstances. Here it is no formal conviction (but counts as a prior), 45 day license suspension, and a load of fines, surcharges, and fees. In Tennessee I think it's 364 days with all but 48 hours suspended.

A halfway decent job will let you call in sick occasionally. Calling in jailed isn't any worse an inconvenience to the employer. Some places will let you serve weekends.
 
2013-11-08 09:39:07 PM

ZAZ: In much of the country you won't serve time for a low grade DUI. There's a usual deal in most courts for a standard DUI with no aggravating circumstances. Here it is no formal conviction (but counts as a prior), 45 day license suspension, and a load of fines, surcharges, and fees. In Tennessee I think it's 364 days with all but 48 hours suspended.

A halfway decent job will let you call in sick occasionally. Calling in jailed isn't any worse an inconvenience to the employer. Some places will let you serve weekends.


It never occurred to me before to wonder if any co-workers were scheduling their PTO around jail time.
 
2013-11-08 09:39:29 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: fnordfocus: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: lol wut

Where I live, there is a mandatory minimum jail sentence for even a first offense which is almost always a "suspended sentence" and is only served if you fark up during your probationary period or something that only applies when your BAC is above a certain level, not counting the days you'll spend waiting to be arraigned and post bail.

Those of us who aren't one-percenters or public employees and miss a day of work tend to get fired.

fixed for reality.


Nice try.

California has a mandatory jail sentence for first offenders.
 
2013-11-08 09:39:50 PM
LShermThey fired a guy at work for a DUI he had gotten two years prior.  He was up for a promotion and they ran a background check, discovered the DUI, and fired him on the spot.  Hell, my office fired a woman who had worked for the company for ten years because she was up for promotion and her credit was wrecked due to a divorce.  They didn't give her any leeway at all, just shiatcanned her once the background check came back.

Quite a few people get fired for background check related offenses.



Those firings don't make any sense.  Why would your company care if an employee had shiatty credit history?
 
2013-11-08 09:40:02 PM

Perpetuous Procrastination: meyerkev: We've known this forever.  Cops are pigs.  Cops are ruthless.  Cops are above the law.

This will last until:

a) WELL-publicized event leads to a sea change.
b) Old farts fearing the drugged-upped hippies die, and the people who have been abused start getting a vote (Not blacks.  They don't count.  But there's quite a few white people).

Looks like you've covered it all.

Speaking for the public: check
Generalizing an entire profession with slang terminology: check
Generalizing an entire profession with broad, hyperbolic language: check
Making absolute statements about an entire profession that are patently false (including being dispelled by the article at hand): check.

Good job with those  really specific "solutions," too. I expect a sea of change from visionaries like you any day now.


If you're lucky, you'll get to check off "insane jabbering about daddy's golf course".
 
2013-11-08 09:41:18 PM

rev. dave: Well depending on where you live a DUI is a felony and many companies fire you if you get a felony.   But there are places it is not a felony.


A single DUI by itself is not a felony in any US state (internationally it's a completely different ballgame).
 
2013-11-08 09:42:16 PM

fnordfocus: The_Original_Roxtar: fnordfocus: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: lol wut

Where I live, there is a mandatory minimum jail sentence for even a first offense which is almost always a "suspended sentence" and is only served if you fark up during your probationary period or something that only applies when your BAC is above a certain level, not counting the days you'll spend waiting to be arraigned and post bail.

Those of us who aren't one-percenters or public employees and miss a day of work tend to get fired.

fixed for reality.

Nice try.

California has a mandatory jail sentence for first offenders.


Which is usually a weekend.

Nice try.
 
2013-11-08 09:43:34 PM

SirEattonHogg: LSherm:  They fired a guy at work for a DUI he had gotten two years prior.  He was up for a promotion and they ran a background check, discovered the DUI, and fired him on the spot.  Hell, my office fired a woman who had worked for the company for ten years because she was up for promotion and her credit was wrecked due to a divorce.  They didn't give her any leeway at all, just shiatcanned her once the background check came back.

Quite a few people get fired for background check related offenses.


Those firings don't make any sense.  Why would your company care if an employee had shiatty credit history?


If you work for a financial company they consider you a higher risk for fraud.

However - they have no issues with drugs and alcohol.
 
2013-11-08 09:44:13 PM

Lsherm: gingerjet: Unless you are a grade school bus driver - no one loses their job over a DUI.

They fired a guy at work for a DUI he had gotten two years prior.  He was up for a promotion and they ran a background check, discovered the DUI, and fired him on the spot.  Hell, my office fired a woman who had worked for the company for ten years because she was up for promotion and her credit was wrecked due to a divorce.  They didn't give her any leeway at all, just shiatcanned her once the background check came back.

Quite a few people get fired for background check related offenses.


You work for a farked up company if they fire people that were doing good enough work to be up for a promotion based on something in their past that came up on a background check that has pretty much nothing to do with their ability to do the job, especially in the case of a 10 year employee--you have that many years of performance reviews, and want to judge on a credit report?

Anybody that loses a job because of that is probably better off in the long run because they don't have to work for a farked up company with lazy HR practices.
 
2013-11-08 09:44:19 PM

Gyrfalcon: If you lost your job for a DUI, I'd be the only one employed in a fifty-mile radius.


Same here.  Actually, here in Montana, especially where I am, it's more like a 150-mile radius.

/former sheriff regularly drank and drove and absolutely nothing happened to him.  Unfortunately.  A lot of folks kept hoping that Darwin would step in but he must have been too busy in Florida....
 
2013-11-08 09:44:40 PM
Unless you drive for a living and you get a DUI while working, nobody loses their job for it.
 
2013-11-08 09:47:05 PM

fnordfocus: The_Original_Roxtar: fnordfocus: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: lol wut

Where I live, there is a mandatory minimum jail sentence for even a first offense which is almost always a "suspended sentence" and is only served if you fark up during your probationary period or something that only applies when your BAC is above a certain level, not counting the days you'll spend waiting to be arraigned and post bail.

Those of us who aren't one-percenters or public employees and miss a day of work tend to get fired.

fixed for reality.

Nice try.

California has a mandatory jail sentence for first offenders.


I think we found Subby
 
2013-11-08 09:48:32 PM
Thread's full of people who take a moped to work.
 
2013-11-08 09:49:17 PM

fnordfocus: Nice try.

California has a mandatory jail sentence for first offenders.


Sort of. I'm in California, and a friend of mine just got one. First time offense is a mandatory 48 hours of jail time. However, because he spent his 8 hours after arrest in a holding cell from late Friday to early Saturday morning, it counted as those two days. Worse case is having 1 day left, and what people typically do is sign up for the Sheriff's work release program and pick up trash on the side of the freeway for the day.
 
2013-11-08 09:50:56 PM
Nothing new here.

Years ago, county prosecutor in NJ wrecked a county car while drunk after hours. A "respectable" doctor at the hospital tried to do a blood sample switch and got caught.

It all ended up with the prosecutor getting a paid driver for the months he lost his license & the Dr got a slap on the wrist.

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/10/nyregion/metro-datelines-prosecuto r- is-guilty-of-drunken-driving.html tells some of the tale
 
2013-11-08 09:55:03 PM

gingerjet: Unless you are a grade school bus driver - no one loses their job over a DUI.


Even then you don't.  I was a cop for 2 years almost 20 years ago.  I pulled over a school bus driver for the city I worked in.  The reason we pulled her over is that he car had fresh damage on the passenger side as if she side-swiped something.  When we pulled her out of the car, I knew right away who she was (I was called to a domestic at her house 2 months before and she was totally blottoed...but I arrested her boyfriend that night for pushing her).  She performed horribly on the field sobriety tests and refused the PBT (pre-breathalyzer test).   Her license was suspended and she couldn't drive for 6 months (per state law for refusing the PBT).  Because this was her first offense, she was suspended for a month, given a desk job for the 3 months left in the school year and resumed driving the bus again full-time in the fall.  I don't really disagree with the decision.  It's expensive enough to get caught with a DUI (court costs, insurance etc...$2500+ for the first offense).  But to lose one's livelihood and career?  Not for the first offense.

Most people do not lose their jobs over a DUI, though some jobs requiring you to drive would cost you your job.  Law Enforcement happens to be one of those jobs but I've seldom seen a cop fired for the first offense.  Why?  It's a shiatty and depressing job with high alcoholism rates (which is why I switched careers after 2 years).  Get them treatment and if they fark up again, fire them.

That being said, in this case....2 of the complaints state they were drinking and driving a city vehicle which should be immediate grounds for termination.
 
2013-11-08 10:03:29 PM
In the article, it mentioned that the first two occurred while using city vehicles.  The second one involved a hit and run with a city vehicle so this isn't something that happened in off time that was totally unrelated to work.  My guess, is that if I were driving a company vehicle and said events occurred, I'd be out of a job.
 
2013-11-08 10:04:37 PM

buzzcut73: Lsherm: gingerjet: Unless you are a grade school bus driver - no one loses their job over a DUI.

They fired a guy at work for a DUI he had gotten two years prior.  He was up for a promotion and they ran a background check, discovered the DUI, and fired him on the spot.  Hell, my office fired a woman who had worked for the company for ten years because she was up for promotion and her credit was wrecked due to a divorce.  They didn't give her any leeway at all, just shiatcanned her once the background check came back.

Quite a few people get fired for background check related offenses.

You work for a farked up company if they fire people that were doing good enough work to be up for a promotion based on something in their past that came up on a background check that has pretty much nothing to do with their ability to do the job, especially in the case of a 10 year employee--you have that many years of performance reviews, and want to judge on a credit report?

Anybody that loses a job because of that is probably better off in the long run because they don't have to work for a farked up company with lazy HR practices.


I agree it's farked up, I just found out about it.  Even the government doesn't do that.

I've heard of companies not hiring someone because of bad credit, but this is the first I've heard of firing existing employees because of bad credit.
 
2013-11-08 10:05:26 PM
Article doesn't support Subbys headline
For one, police departments employ many people that aren't actual policemen
Nogthing in article says a cop was arrested
Could have been a cop. But article doesn't claim officer, which it would have in a report

Also, anyone with a CDL, that works as a proffesional driver, will lose their job with a DUI
If you don't drive for a living, chances are, you will keep your job
 
2013-11-08 10:05:58 PM
Wow, Fark managed to combine irrational cop hate with a completely stupid false headline.
Way to go.
 
2013-11-08 10:07:53 PM
gingerjet:
If you work for a financial company they consider you a higher risk for fraud.

However - they have no issues with drugs and alcohol.



That makes some sense. But the company also fired that other person for a DUI.... the only thing I can think of is he lied on a criminal background check question or he needs to drive around a lot for the job.
 
2013-11-08 10:08:50 PM
Air Force...  It's a career ender (E's at least.  O's... it's more political.  It could be swept under the rug, or used to destroy you).  If you aren't actually booted for a DUI, you can be demoted, and the high-year-of-tenure rules (basically, there's a limit to how long you can serve if you don't hold a certain rank.)  If you are demoted and can't mathematically promote before your contract ends, it's a de facto separation, without a disciplinary separation on your record.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/08/28/air-force-nco-rebuilds -c areer-after-dui.html 

This guy got promoted 11 years after getting a DUI.  Note that this is treated as a miracle.
 
2013-11-08 10:19:38 PM

SirEattonHogg: gingerjet:
If you work for a financial company they consider you a higher risk for fraud.

However - they have no issues with drugs and alcohol.


That makes some sense. But the company also fired that other person for a DUI.... the only thing I can think of is he lied on a criminal background check question or he needs to drive around a lot for the job.


Well, he didn't lie because they don't notify you of the background check if you're getting a promotion.  They only ask pre-hire.  And it certainly wasn't for driving, the main office is in downtown DC near a metro stop.  And he worked the helpdesk.  No driving required.
 
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