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2013-11-09 06:18:43 AM

Elegy: ITT: Libtards just can't deal with a smart, sexy, powerful conservative woman.


weak
 
2013-11-09 06:18:44 AM
The reason religion was invented was because very smart people realized you can't have a functioning society based solely on the rules of men. It degenerates into an occupier rally very quickly.
 
2013-11-09 06:23:51 AM

Noam Chimpsky: The reason religion was invented was because very smart people realized you can't have a functioning society based solely on the rules of men. It degenerates into an occupier rally very quickly.


But, religions ARE the rules of men.
 
2013-11-09 06:23:58 AM

Noam Chimpsky: The reason religion was invented was because very smart people realized you can't have a functioning society based solely on the rules of men. It degenerates into an occupier rally very quickly.

 needed a way to explain things they didn't understand.

FTFY
 
2013-11-09 06:27:04 AM

jso2897: Relax, pal. You're among friends. We Godless will not harm you.
Harming is too much like work.
We might spill our latte double ventes on our Macbook Airs.


Welcome to the brohood. Have a complementary Fedora.

/I'd recommend burning it.
 
2013-11-09 06:29:19 AM

fluffy2097: jso2897: Relax, pal. You're among friends. We Godless will not harm you.
Harming is too much like work.
We might spill our latte double ventes on our Macbook Airs.

Welcome to the brohood. Have a complementary Fedora.

/I'd recommend burning it.


Debian works better for me - consumer distros do everything I need.
 
2013-11-09 06:36:32 AM

jso2897: I'm not sure you understand what I said. That link is interesting, but not a response to what I said.


jso2897: Unless there is some reason that communists couldn't have been as brutal as they were unless they were atheists, it's irrelevant.


Fair enough. My point is that one facet or dimension, if you will, of communism (as a larger construct) is atheistic thought. Communism is not an aggregate variable, it is more a latent one (the sum of its parts is greater - because of all the interactions in this political system) and has an underlying them,e (much like the g factor in intelligence research).

Since atheistic thought is a requirement (for all good Marxists out there who don't know any better :) communism cannot be less brutal in the absence of atheism because then it would not be communism.

I know of no communist state who doesn't have in its fundamental core the promotion of state atheism (as always the degrees vary and some other have eased up on this requirement but never in their beginnings and never fully).

That would be my point :) TY
And for the record : I am all for a secular state. I also think there is no right not to be offended :) For me personally crosses in schools are ok, if the majority wants them. It sounds cruel, but that is how we elected Obama :))))
 
2013-11-09 06:37:20 AM

whidbey: Hurr you liberals support murdurus dictaters who were atheists durr
hurr che gwuhvarrah is your hee row derp derp derp derp


Your Obamatroll routine was tiresome enough. This new trick you learned is not an improvement.
 
2013-11-09 07:11:25 AM

machoprogrammer: To be fair, Pol Pot was pretty brutal (and would kill anyone who was not an atheist did not worship Pol Pot, amongst other things). He did kill 1/3 the population of his country in about 3 years


THFY
 
2013-11-09 07:37:47 AM
she must be tired carrying that cross around all the time.
 
2013-11-09 07:39:35 AM

poorcku: Since atheistic thought is a requirement (for all good Marxists out there who don't know any better :) communism cannot be less brutal in the absence of atheism because then it would not be communism.


Yes - granting that essential qualifier - you are correct, Sir.
 
2013-11-09 07:52:26 AM

jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: The reason religion was invented was because very smart people realized you can't have a functioning society based solely on the rules of men. It degenerates into an occupier rally very quickly.

But, religions ARE the rules of men.


What is important is that the followers believe it is the rule of a god.
 
2013-11-09 08:03:40 AM

Noam Chimpsky: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: The reason religion was invented was because very smart people realized you can't have a functioning society based solely on the rules of men. It degenerates into an occupier rally very quickly.

But, religions ARE the rules of men.

What is important is that the followers believe it is the rule of a god.


I don't see how that changes anything - the fact remains that all you have done is go from the "rule of men" to the rule of other men.
It's existentially neutral.
 
2013-11-09 08:07:26 AM
FTAmazon Good Tidings and Great Joy:
Palin believes it is imperative that we stand up for our beliefs before the element of faith in a glorious and traditional holiday like Christmas is marginalized and ignored. She also encourages readers to see what is possible when we unite in defense of our religious convictions and ignore the politically correct Scrooges seeking to take Christ out of Christmas.

*rolls eyes* How about a book about Christ, good works that could be done on the holidays, visiting the elderly, ideas for goodwill and some nice hymns?
Nope...instead she provides a negative book filled with trite and political rhetoric that she claims is "Christ focused." Ugh.

Ridiculous, shameful, and utter nonsense.

/Christian here
 
2013-11-09 08:13:55 AM

jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: The reason religion was invented was because very smart people realized you can't have a functioning society based solely on the rules of men. It degenerates into an occupier rally very quickly.

But, religions ARE the rules of men.

What is important is that the followers believe it is the rule of a god.

I don't see how that changes anything - the fact remains that all you have done is go from the "rule of men" to the rule of other men.
It's existentially neutral.


The relevant thing is that the society believes they are abiding by the rules of a god that created them and will stand in judgment of them. There is nothing more irrelevant than your skepticism of their beliefs.
 
2013-11-09 08:14:10 AM
Is it that time of year again already?
 
2013-11-09 08:20:15 AM

JerseyTim: The link is worth clicking on just to play the soundboard.


^^ Got some old religious nutter derp mixed with some Palin wft.  The icing on the cake is that she's reading it as if talking to a kindergarten class, she knows here audience well.
 
2013-11-09 08:38:30 AM

Noam Chimpsky: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: The reason religion was invented was because very smart people realized you can't have a functioning society based solely on the rules of men. It degenerates into an occupier rally very quickly.

But, religions ARE the rules of men.

What is important is that the followers believe it is the rule of a god.

I don't see how that changes anything - the fact remains that all you have done is go from the "rule of men" to the rule of other men.
It's existentially neutral.

The relevant thing is that the society believes they are abiding by the rules of a god that created them and will stand in judgment of them. There is nothing more irrelevant than your skepticism of their beliefs.


I have no skepticism of anyone's beliefs. Who are you talking to? I would never question the efficacy of religion as a means of social control.
It's rules are still the rules of men - but that's not really necessarily a bad thing, and I don't necessarily intend it as a criticism.
 
2013-11-09 08:43:04 AM

Mr.Tangent: JerseyTim: The link is worth clicking on just to play the soundboard.

^^ Got some old religious nutter derp mixed with some Palin wft.  The icing on the cake is that she's reading it as if talking to a kindergarten class, she knows here audience well.


What you hear as condescension is really just struggling with enunciation.
 
2013-11-09 08:46:06 AM

jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: The reason religion was invented was because very smart people realized you can't have a functioning society based solely on the rules of men. It degenerates into an occupier rally very quickly.

But, religions ARE the rules of men.

What is important is that the followers believe it is the rule of a god.

I don't see how that changes anything - the fact remains that all you have done is go from the "rule of men" to the rule of other men.
It's existentially neutral.

The relevant thing is that the society believes they are abiding by the rules of a god that created them and will stand in judgment of them. There is nothing more irrelevant than your skepticism of their beliefs.

I have no skepticism of anyone's beliefs. Who are you talking to? I would never question the efficacy of religion as a means of social control.
It's rules are still the rules of men - but that's not really necessarily a bad thing, and I don't necessarily intend it as a criticism.


Are you trying to have a conversation with someone who compared the degradation of society to its most base mammalian instincts to an "occupier rally?"
 
2013-11-09 08:53:35 AM

thamike: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: The reason religion was invented was because very smart people realized you can't have a functioning society based solely on the rules of men. It degenerates into an occupier rally very quickly.

But, religions ARE the rules of men.

What is important is that the followers believe it is the rule of a god.

I don't see how that changes anything - the fact remains that all you have done is go from the "rule of men" to the rule of other men.
It's existentially neutral.

The relevant thing is that the society believes they are abiding by the rules of a god that created them and will stand in judgment of them. There is nothing more irrelevant than your skepticism of their beliefs.

I have no skepticism of anyone's beliefs. Who are you talking to? I would never question the efficacy of religion as a means of social control.
It's rules are still the rules of men - but that's not really necessarily a bad thing, and I don't necessarily intend it as a criticism.

Are you trying to have a conversation with someone who compared the degradation of society to its most base mammalian instincts to an "occupier rally?"


Why not? I'll talk to anybody - lepers, whores, money changers - I ain't particular.
 
2013-11-09 09:00:29 AM
 Yeah, I can see how wing of the republican party would have a vested interest in making the Inquisition seem like Disneyland. Kind of a pre-rollout PR campaign.
 
2013-11-09 09:04:10 AM
Apparently when a government bans the practice of religion, the people following that religion immediately lose their faith and become atheists. It never occurred to me that faith would work that way.
 
2013-11-09 09:09:51 AM
Honestly, she's right.  Guilty as charged.  Even though I'm not an atheist, I get an absolute thrill from wishing everyone "Happy Holidays!" or "Seasons Greetings!", just so I can see who it drives nuts.  A normal or rational person simply smiles, maybe waves, and sometimes returns the sentiment.  But when you hit on a conservative, especially a "born-again" or evangelical, it's comedy gold.  At the very minimum, you'll get a flat smile, a quivering lip, or a twitchy eye.  If you're really lucky, they'll come unglued and go full retard on the spot.  It's a priceless gift that only comes once a year; a perfectly polite, wholesome, and friendly phrase that at the same time causes those who have been driving you nuts all year long to have a stroke.  So, Sarah, from the bottom of my heart: "Seasons Greetings!", "Happy Holidays!", "Happy New Year!",  and, "All the Best in the Coming Year!"
 
2013-11-09 09:17:03 AM
May as well lob this one in and then duck:

Whether the god is named Jehovah, The Fatherland, Juche or The Revolution, no one has ever gotten a good genocide on without exploiting the human propensity towards blind religious behavior. Building up an "Us vs. Them" mentality is a large part of what allows mobs to perform atrocities, Sarah.

i40.tinypic.com
So yeah... You're a little echo of Mao, Sarah.
 
2013-11-09 09:30:49 AM

malaktaus: IlGreven: miss diminutive: - Let's think this through: Without God as an objective standard, who's to say what's wrong and what's right?

If any more stupid could be crammed into one person she'd collapse in on herself to form a moronic black hole.

Mrs. Palin: We atheists get our moral values from observation of the world around us and empathy for our fellow man.

You get your moral values from a book  that explicitly endorses slavery.

Who has the moral high ground, again?

FTFY


No, the mere fact that she has to consult a book to behave like a normal human being is enough for me.
 
2013-11-09 10:12:33 AM
What might John Oliver have to say about this?
 
2013-11-09 10:54:10 AM
Leave it to Sarah Palin to criticize atheism by reminding us of an era when Christianity officially and openly persecuted, tortured (in ways that made Abu Ghraib seem like a children's party) and murdered on a huge scale in the name of Jesus.

In her defense, she is such an empty-headed nitwit that it is unlikely she has any idea of what the Inquisition was.  Her home-school textbook probably says something like:

The Inquisition: An era when atheists and socialists tricked a small number of honest Christians into mildly persecuting some other Christians, until they finally got wise to the cunning plans of atheist socialists.  Scientists agree that if the atheists had been burned instead, Jesus would have come back by now.

VOCABULARY REVIEW

persecuting: Making good people feel bad (see "lamestream media")
cunning: Smart in a bad way (see "science")
 
2013-11-09 11:04:16 AM

jso2897: mr lawson: fluffy2097: MENTALLY CHA

To be fair, we would attack an intelligent politician with just as much zealous if they were such a creature.

"Zealotry" is the nominal form of "zealous".


facepalm for me
 
2013-11-09 11:18:31 AM
Free Diwali!
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-11-09 11:33:36 AM

Candy Colored Clown: People have been trying to moralize selfishness for a long time. They know they are self centered, but want us to not think negatively about them. Basically wanting to have the cake and eat it too. This will always lead to failure as we are are socialized animals, and the very concept goes against our nature.  Yet, it wont stop sociopaths from trying.



As I have said many times, Ayn Rand's Objectivism and Communism are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.  But both are devastating to society.   I once said this to a Navy CDR who was in uniform and he clinched his fist as if he was going to punch me, then he walked away.

Objectivism would collapse any society.   When everyone's motivation is personal gain in every situation, then society ends.
I know two people who became obsessed with the concept of Objectivism.  In each case they were divorced after embracing the philosophy.  Who would want to live with someone who will do nothing if it doesn't personally benefit them?
 
2013-11-09 11:45:59 AM

maxheck: May as well lob this one in and then duck:

Whether the god is named Jehovah, The Fatherland, Juche or The Revolution, no one has ever gotten a good genocide on without exploiting the human propensity towards blind religious behavior. Building up an "Us vs. Them" mentality is a large part of what allows mobs to perform atrocities, Sarah.

[i40.tinypic.com image 640x1188]
So yeah... You're a little echo of Mao, Sarah.


Just let it be man, let it be. Linking some image with shady hypothesis that no political science major would ever subscribe to, and made by some 16 years old while high in his parents basement is no evidence of what you just wanted to say.

I will post this once more since you obviously have not got this part of history right:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%92Leninist_atheism

Tell me more about your fancy tables. ooooH! Green!!!! DERP...
What are you, 5th grader?
 
2013-11-09 12:01:15 PM
poorcku:

maxheck: May as well lob this one in and then duck:

Whether the god is named Jehovah, The Fatherland, Juche or The Revolution, no one has ever gotten a good genocide on without exploiting the human propensity towards blind religious behavior. Building up an "Us vs. Them" mentality is a large part of what allows mobs to perform atrocities, Sarah.

[i40.tinypic.com image 640x1188]
So yeah... You're a little echo of Mao, Sarah.

Just let it be man, let it be. Linking some image with shady hypothesis that no political science major would ever subscribe to, and made by some 16 years old while high in his parents basement is no evidence of what you just wanted to say.

I will post this once more since you obviously have not got this part of history right:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%92Leninist_atheism

Tell me more about your fancy tables. ooooH! Green!!!! DERP...
What are you, 5th grader?


Evidently this 5th grader struck a nerve. You do understand the difference between believing in poorcku's particular god and exhibiting religious behavior, yes?

My premise still stands. In order to do what they did, the true monsters of history had to use the same behaviors that we usually call religion, they just used "The State" or "The Revolution" as the ideal rather than Allah or Yaweh. It's fashionable for people to say "well, they stomped on existing religions and therefore were atheists!" when in reality they just changed the name of the god.

If there is anything inaccurate in my chart, I'd be happy to hear you point it out.
 
2013-11-09 12:06:54 PM

poorcku: Just let it be man, let it be. Linking some image with shady hypothesis that no political science major would ever subscribe to, and made by some 16 years old while high in his parents basement is no evidence of what you just wanted to say.

I will post this once more since you obviously have not got this part of history right:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%92Leninist_atheism

Tell me more about your fancy tables. ooooH! Green!!!! DERP...
What are you, 5th grader?


I love how you talk about social sciences in one breath, and then devolve into flaming derp and insults in the next one when your positions are questioned. I also love how disingenuously you're comparing "Marxist Leninist Atheism"  with Secular Humanism, and then trying to pretend it's some kind of intellectual checkmate with no further discussion to be had.

If we're going with this, we're totally going to assign the holocaust to the Christians, since the churches were mostly compliant, right?
 
2013-11-09 12:17:12 PM

poorcku: Nowhere in modern literature is the concept of State as a Religion to be found.


You might look up "Civil Religion in America" by Robert N. Bellah; it dates from the late 1960s, but the work remains widely accepted these days -- Google Scholar turns up over 500 publications citing it since 2008.

maxheck: May as well lob this one in and then duck:


I'll point you toward Christopher Silver's recent research on sub-types within American unaffiliated/atheists/agnostics, and then check out Dale Cannon's "Six Ways of Being Religious" book, which Silver was apparently unaware of when doing his research.
 
2013-11-09 12:19:28 PM

miss diminutive: - Let's think this through: Without God as an objective standard, who's to say what's wrong and what's right?

If any more stupid could be crammed into one person she'd collapse in on herself to form a moronic black hole.


Meaning there is some other objective standard, that morality is man made, or that there is some other source?
 
2013-11-09 12:31:53 PM
What the fark did atheist ever do to you?
 
2013-11-09 12:33:37 PM
abb3w:

maxheck: May as well lob this one in and then duck:

I'll point you toward Christopher Silver's recent research on sub-types within American unaffiliated/atheists/agnostics, and then check out Dale Cannon's "Six Ways of Being Religious" book, which Silver was apparently unaware of when doing his research.


Thanks! I'll look into those.
 
2013-11-09 12:57:34 PM

maxheck: It's fashionable for people to say "well, they stomped on existing religions and therefore were atheists!" when in reality they just changed the name of the god.


That's a bit of a poor argument. The Soviet Union's leadership very clearly were atheists - however, the bulk of what they actually did was unrelated to atheism. The harshest persecution and purges that they carried out were against fellow Communists and atheists (like the Trotskyites) for the crime of having a slightly different political philosophy, and they were quite content to spare and co-opt religious institutions (like the Russian orthodox church) if they were politically subservient.

The main problem here is that some people are under the impression that a substantial proportion of the deaths attributed to the Soviet Union consisted of them hunting religious people and killing them for no other reason than being religious, even though this wasn't even remotely the case.
 
2013-11-09 01:02:48 PM

JerseyTim: "I bet Charles Darwin never understood this: If the world could be described as truly survival-of-the-fittest, why would people collectively be stricken with the spirit of generosity in December?"



www.neogeoforlife.com

Guys! Guys! We had it all wrong all this time! Sara Palin is a GENIUS! Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to celebrate your own ignorance on SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS in SUCH a concise manner?! In that SINGLE sentence she makes it clear that she has:

1) What "survival of the fittest" is and how it works.

2) The mentality of Charles Darwin at ANY point in his life.

3) Societal impact on individual mindsets

4) When the "Christmas season" became a thing in this country

Bravo, madam. BRAVO!
 
2013-11-09 01:03:54 PM
And I clearly have trouble with how sentences work as there should be a NO IDEA before that colon...
 
2013-11-09 01:11:28 PM

TopoGigo: whidbey: Hurr you liberals support murdurus dictaters who were atheists durr
hurr che gwuhvarrah is your hee row derp derp derp derp

Your Obamatroll routine was tiresome enough. This new trick you learned is not an improvement.


Not sure what you're referring to, but your shrill ultra-paranoid performance during the Boston Bombing here hasn't been forgotten. Well, maybe it has.

And as long as there are dipshiats who echo my words, they are very relevant, hence your objections.
 
2013-11-09 01:19:07 PM

capn' fun: Even though I'm not an atheist, I get an absolute thrill from wishing everyone "Happy Holidays!" or "Seasons Greetings!", just so I can see who it drives nuts.


I never saw the fun in that.  In my retail days, if someone replied to my "happy holidays" with some mean spirited political garbage, i would just say, "No.  I said 'happy holidays' because there is more than one holiday coming up, and I am hoping that I never have to speak to you again."
 
2013-11-09 01:21:07 PM

poorcku: whidbey: I don't know, maybe you should contact Sarah and join her entrourage. She needs living survivors like you to help her defeat atheist socialism.

I would, but i don't know what "entrourage" is. Maybe, as a foreigner I really should brush up on my English.  I don't want to look uneducated to the intellectual elite, like you obviously are. I know that because you are clearly interested in my arguments and not some cheap form of rhetoric.


Actually, I'm calling bullshiat on your whole shtick.

No village, no commies, no grandmother. Mad?
 
2013-11-09 01:28:55 PM
'TISSS THE SEASON TO BE DERPY
HERPA DERPA DERP
A DERP DERP DERP
 
2013-11-09 01:47:47 PM

Slaves2Darkness: What the fark did atheist ever do to you?


www.globalresearch.ca


"We need to talk."



www.newyorker.com



"Look, hon, I thought we had an agreement.  It was a fun weekend, but come on.  Can't you take a hint?  Is subtext lost on you?  For the last time, move on.  F*ck off.  I got magazines to read and these cigarettes won't smoke themselves."



**CLICK**


www.allthingsdemocrat.com



www.funnycommercialsworld.com



"Yeah, Jenny?  So the, uhh--Crystal?...  F*ck's sake with this call waitin' gahbage..."

 
2013-11-09 02:47:01 PM
Happy Atheist Agnostic Liberal Socialist Gay Marriage Sharia Kenyan Compact Fluorescent Lightbulb Nightmare!

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2013-11-09 03:31:16 PM
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2013-11-09 04:13:38 PM
i.imgur.com
 
Ant
2013-11-09 06:09:53 PM

JerseyTim: "I bet Charles Darwin never understood this: If the world could be described as truly survival-of-the-fittest, why would people collectively be stricken with the spirit of generosity in December?"


The whole farking conservative political philosophy is basically social Darwinism and survival of the fittest. Why does she have a problem with this?

Too many morons confusing is with ought. Just because nature is survival of the fittest* doesn't mean we have to live that way. Also, since when does a truth being unpleasant cause it to not be true anymore. I was unaware that I could make ugly truths go away like that.

*fittest in this case = able to produce the most offspring, not necessarily strongest.
 
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