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(CNN)   "A state medical examiner ruled his death accidental... His fingernails had been clipped, his clothes were missing and his organs had been removed and replaced by newspaper"   (cnn.com) divider line 83
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2013-11-08 02:35:46 PM

SlothB77: I wish the coroner had better writing and grammatical acumen.  When he is spelling words like 'integrrety', it does take away from his credibility.


The Coroner in Georgia is an elected office. There is some training required after election, IIRC, but you don't have to be a doctor. Medical examiners are hired either by the city or county (big places like Atlanta) or by the State for more rural areas. I would guess that lots of Coroners also run the funeral home.
 
2013-11-08 02:36:17 PM
The removal of organs is part of an autopsy.
 
2013-11-08 02:38:28 PM

jaytkay: Whatever happened in the "suicide" case where a woman was found dead, hanging in her wealthy boyfriend's house with her hands tied behind her back?


see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Rebecca_Zahau  A second review by the Sheriffs office decided that it was perfectly plausible that she stripped down,  scrawled an odd note is different hand writing, bound her hands and feet to prevent 'changing her mind', then threw herself off the balcony hitting her head 4 times on the way down to hang herself.
 
2013-11-08 02:39:08 PM

Walker: Why is my son naked and stuffed full of newspaper? He didn't even like to read. I do appreciate you clipping his nails though.


Where are the clipped nails and did they turn up any DNA?

His position inside a rolled up floor mat that was rolled too tightly for him to escape indicates he was PUT there by someone.  That's felony territory.
 
2013-11-08 02:39:58 PM
prjindigo

His position inside a rolled up floor mat that was rolled too tightly for him to escape indicates he was PUT there by someone.

Ffs. How?
 
2013-11-08 02:40:23 PM

killdawabbitt: I can't speak for the video, but camera footage is often grainy and out of focus. motion-sensitive cameras are often inadequately triggered on or off. I don't think this means anything, but an A/V expert would probably have something to say about this.


There have been 2 or 3 different video angles I've seen (on a local TV station).  Of those, the ONLY one which is grainy and out of focus is the one that would purportedly have had the best view.  That's a little shady.
 
2013-11-08 02:43:46 PM

Ambivalence: The removal of organs is part of an autopsy.


As is stuffing the body with newspaper. After you've removed the scales and eyes, of course.
 
2013-11-08 02:44:10 PM
I bet a cop or important politician murdered the kid.  Who else would have the ability or the connections to get a cover up this outrageous?
 
2013-11-08 02:46:26 PM
It's Georgia and the deceased in this case was black. I'm surprised the sheriff hasn't charged the parents with murder just to make an example odd them.
 
2013-11-08 02:48:43 PM
or "of" them, even.
 
2013-11-08 02:49:52 PM

OgreMagi: I bet a cop or important politician murdered the kid.  Who else would have the ability or the connections to get a cover up this outrageous?


Time to start cross referencing students at the school and whether their parents are important politicians or police officers that handled the scene.
 
2013-11-08 02:54:27 PM

Genju: OgreMagi: I bet a cop or important politician murdered the kid.  Who else would have the ability or the connections to get a cover up this outrageous?

Time to start cross referencing students at the school and whether their parents are important politicians or police officers that handled the scene.


I would immediately look if the kid was dating the daughter of a white cop or politician.
 
2013-11-08 02:55:56 PM

wxboy: killdawabbitt: I can't speak for the video, but camera footage is often grainy and out of focus. motion-sensitive cameras are often inadequately triggered on or off. I don't think this means anything, but an A/V expert would probably have something to say about this.

There have been 2 or 3 different video angles I've seen (on a local TV station).  Of those, the ONLY one which is grainy and out of focus is the one that would purportedly have had the best view.  That's a little shady.


Wasn't this in a gym?  Bet kids through basketballs and shiat at the camera all the time.

Unless you're arguing that they misfocused the camera specifically before committing murder, rather than just destroying the video afterwards if you have that kind of access.

/not a detective.
 
2013-11-08 02:56:28 PM

Genju: OgreMagi: I bet a cop or important politician murdered the kid.  Who else would have the ability or the connections to get a cover up this outrageous?

Time to start cross referencing students at the school and whether their parents are important politicians or police officers that handled the scene.


and that's why I'm surprised the cops haven't yet done anything to punish the parents for questioning the cover-up.
 
2013-11-08 02:58:55 PM
The organs and fingernails were probably removed by the funeral home. The clothes were probably also taken before he was buried by a shady funeral home worker to sell. Suits sell for a lot of money. It isn't like his organs, fingernails and clothes were removed while he was in the mat
 
2013-11-08 03:00:37 PM

wxboy: patrick767: wxboy: patrick767: So... he fell inside a rolled up gym mat? How the fark does that happen? Maybe he fell on a mat and it rolled itself up? Really?

Perhaps someone tossed his shoe into the rolled-up mat (standing vertically against the wall), and he went in after it and got stuck.  That's the most plausible explanation I can think of that would make his death an accident.

And the blood? I don't think falling into a mat would cause much bloodshed. Maybe the gym mat was filled with razor blades!

I imagine if you were stuck upside down for long enough, blood would start coming out of your ears as it starts collecting in the brain.


I don't think that happens.
 
2013-11-08 03:11:52 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: wxboy: patrick767: wxboy: patrick767: So... he fell inside a rolled up gym mat? How the fark does that happen? Maybe he fell on a mat and it rolled itself up? Really?

Perhaps someone tossed his shoe into the rolled-up mat (standing vertically against the wall), and he went in after it and got stuck.  That's the most plausible explanation I can think of that would make his death an accident.

And the blood? I don't think falling into a mat would cause much bloodshed. Maybe the gym mat was filled with razor blades!

I imagine if you were stuck upside down for long enough, blood would start coming out of your ears as it starts collecting in the brain.

I don't think that happens.


It does happen. You stop your heart for a few minutes and next thing you know you're half-empty
 
2013-11-08 03:19:15 PM

hammer85: wxboy: killdawabbitt: I can't speak for the video, but camera footage is often grainy and out of focus. motion-sensitive cameras are often inadequately triggered on or off. I don't think this means anything, but an A/V expert would probably have something to say about this.

There have been 2 or 3 different video angles I've seen (on a local TV station).  Of those, the ONLY one which is grainy and out of focus is the one that would purportedly have had the best view.  That's a little shady.

Wasn't this in a gym?  Bet kids through basketballs and shiat at the camera all the time.

Unless you're arguing that they misfocused the camera specifically before committing murder, rather than just destroying the video afterwards if you have that kind of access.

/not a detective.


16 cameras and only one out of focus.
 
2013-11-08 03:24:16 PM

ThisIsntMe: hammer85: wxboy: killdawabbitt: I can't speak for the video, but camera footage is often grainy and out of focus. motion-sensitive cameras are often inadequately triggered on or off. I don't think this means anything, but an A/V expert would probably have something to say about this.

There have been 2 or 3 different video angles I've seen (on a local TV station).  Of those, the ONLY one which is grainy and out of focus is the one that would purportedly have had the best view.  That's a little shady.

Wasn't this in a gym?  Bet kids through basketballs and shiat at the camera all the time.

Unless you're arguing that they misfocused the camera specifically before committing murder, rather than just destroying the video afterwards if you have that kind of access.

/not a detective.

16 cameras and only one out of focus.


Oh, and.

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/312091/3/Kendrick-Johnsons-famil y- suspicious-of-new-video 40 cameras around the gym area.
 
2013-11-08 03:31:54 PM
Damn this case is stinking more and more.  their really does seem to have been a massive cover up.
 
2013-11-08 03:55:17 PM
I'm pretty sure an earlier article revealed a shady funeral home they used was responsible for the newspaper organs. The fingernails were most likely clipped during autopsy. And the video shows it was an either an accident as described or he was murdered by the Flash and an entire classroom of students that entered shortly after he did are in on the conspiracy. The sad reality is a young man died in a bizarre accident and the parents can't accept it. Even if/when the federal investigators conclude the same thing, they'll claim the same thing.
 
2013-11-08 03:58:49 PM
Person

I'm pretty sure an earlier article revealed a shady funeral home they used was responsible for the newspaper organs.

Shadow Blasko said this was impossible.
 
2013-11-08 04:09:50 PM
Great now they need a cover up for the cover up...laws how do they work?
 
2013-11-08 04:10:48 PM
So... we have a kid who got stuck upside down in a rolled up gym mat, which would lead to bleeding out of his ears, nose and probably eyes as blood pooled after he suffocated. The first coroner is upset because of the way things were handled - mostly nitpicking, including unzipping the already-bagged body to show the father. A picture of the gym mat is blurry.

Still, it's ruled accidental, and the victim is given a funeral. Apparently, the organs are missing... the first coroner disposed of the organs or the funeral home did, and instead of using quality, pricey solutions, somebody just stuffed the body with newspaper. His fingernails were clipped, presumably because the hands were visible during the showing (crossed over chest in repose) by the mortician.

The body was buried.

6 months later, the family has it dug back up and another autopsy performed. Not surprisingly, with a body prepared by a cheap (and perhaps less-than-honest) mortician, things aren't quite right.

Still, the second autopsy cannot find any evidence of murder.

Have I got this right?
 
2013-11-08 04:17:16 PM

LesserEvil: So... we have a kid who got stuck upside down in a rolled up gym mat, which would lead to bleeding out of his ears, nose and probably eyes as blood pooled after he suffocated. The first coroner is upset because of the way things were handled - mostly nitpicking, including unzipping the already-bagged body to show the father. A picture of the gym mat is blurry.

Still, it's ruled accidental, and the victim is given a funeral. Apparently, the organs are missing... the first coroner disposed of the organs or the funeral home did, and instead of using quality, pricey solutions, somebody just stuffed the body with newspaper. His fingernails were clipped, presumably because the hands were visible during the showing (crossed over chest in repose) by the mortician.

The body was buried.

6 months later, the family has it dug back up and another autopsy performed. Not surprisingly, with a body prepared by a cheap (and perhaps less-than-honest) mortician, things aren't quite right.

Still, the second autopsy cannot find any evidence of murder.

Have I got this right?


You forgot the part in the article where it mentioned a neck injury caught by the second coroner. Still could minor given what we know but details peeples!!
 
2013-11-08 04:19:33 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: This sounds like a plot point from Bad Boys 2


Or the plot to MIB.......aliens!
 
2013-11-08 04:21:17 PM

LesserEvil: So... we have a kid who got stuck upside down in a rolled up gym mat, which would lead to bleeding out of his ears, nose and probably eyes as blood pooled after he suffocated. The first coroner is upset because of the way things were handled - mostly nitpicking, including unzipping the already-bagged body to show the father. A picture of the gym mat is blurry.

Still, it's ruled accidental, and the victim is given a funeral. Apparently, the organs are missing... the first coroner disposed of the organs or the funeral home did, and instead of using quality, pricey solutions, somebody just stuffed the body with newspaper. His fingernails were clipped, presumably because the hands were visible during the showing (crossed over chest in repose) by the mortician.

The body was buried.

6 months later, the family has it dug back up and another autopsy performed. Not surprisingly, with a body prepared by a cheap (and perhaps less-than-honest) mortician, things aren't quite right.

Still, the second autopsy cannot find any evidence of murder.

Have I got this right?


That's what I'm pulling from this.
 
2013-11-08 04:42:13 PM

Vanity6: You forgot the part in the article where it mentioned a neck injury caught by the second coroner. Still could minor given what we know but details peeples!!


With a chain of custody that includes a shady mortician and burying the body, outside of a bullet or a knife blade embedded in the body. there simply is nothing there.

It is possible somebody stuffed the kid inside the gym mat, but I doubt an autopsy would reveal that sort of thing. Real life isn't like "Bones" when it comes to forensic science or the skills a typical medical examiner has.

An "injury" on the neck could just as easily be the result of moving the body incorrectly or something the mortician did long after the fact.

Sadly, forensics are still not a very exact science. A good example of this is the Duke Lacrosse "rape" where doctors examined the alleged victim and declared she had been raped based on "bruising" on her genitals - which was not really bruising and just the result of her getting screwed by her boyfriend the night before. Mostly it is still just guesswork and assumptions wrapped around the label of "SCIENCE!" to get the result desired by the state, without concern for actual justice.

I feel bad these parents lost their child, but if there was somebody responsible for his death (besides himself/Darwin), they likely weren't directly responsible - i.e. some kids stuffed him in the mat as a prank, for example - so getting a conviction would be very difficult. The best they could hope for is somebody who knows what happened talking about the event. At this point, an autopsy does nothing, except confuse the issues.
 
2013-11-08 05:52:36 PM
Quantum entanglement. It's the only explanation.
 
2013-11-08 06:32:02 PM
Interview with former president of the local NAACP who investigated every aspect of the case. If you're genuinely interested in what happened.

http://valdostatoday.com/2013/10/touchton-says-kj-death-accidental/

tl;dl CNN is sensationalized nonsense (but you already knew that right?)
 
2013-11-08 09:49:15 PM
It is amazing what a person can do when they are suicidal.
 
2013-11-09 10:04:09 AM

LesserEvil: The first coroner is upset because of the way things were handled - mostly nitpicking, including unzipping the already-bagged body to show the father.


From  http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9626413/the-mysterious-death-17-y e ar-old-football-player-valdosta-georgia that Fark linked to a while back, is this (plus more info regarding the other things you mentioned in your post):

According to Georgia law, police must notify the local coroner or medical examiner immediately after discovering a dead body. In this case, they waited. The morning Kendrick was found in the school gym, Lowndes County coroner Bill Watson sat about a mile away in his office, hearing rumors of a dead body at the school and wondering what was going on. Eventually, sheriff's deputies did notify Watson. Their call came about six hours after they arrived on the scene. "This was not fair to the decedent, his family, and the citizens of Valdosta and Lowndes County, Georgia," Watson later told the Daily Times. "And it's wrong as rain. You may not want me on your crime scene, but it's a law. It's not something you can change your mind about."

pute kisses like a man: Tman144: What? How do you turn a body over to a coroner without organs? Who took the organs out?!? Are we quoting the second coroner's report?

The article could have been more clear. Did the first coroner find an organ-less body? What gives. Maybe a timeline or chronological explanation of the investigation would be nice. Either way, accidental death by gym mat sounds suspicious.


Read the above link, it seems to have a clearer timeline (I found it to be pretty informative)

OgreMagi:
If I'm not mistaken, the Sheriff's son attends the school.
 
2013-11-09 03:22:52 PM
Where are his organs? Old man Rockerfellers grand daughter destroyed hers by partying every night with her friends and needed some new ones and he wasnt about to pay some darkie pleebs family for the replacements...why should he?
 
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