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(Software Developer)   12 programming languages that failed to thrive, for obvious and not so obvious reasons. "If you're a glutton for punishment, try programming in brainfark for about 15 minutes"   (softwaredeveloper.com) divider line 175
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2013-11-08 12:52:44 PM
List is useless without Ruby on Rails.
 
2013-11-08 01:05:19 PM
Powerbuiler was an awesome language. You could write (and I did write) some very sophisticated GUIs that interfaced with a database so easily that it was crazy. They didn't take the Internet seriously soon enough, though, and by the time they tried it was already a dead language. I saw the writing on the wall and switched to Enterprise Java in 1999, and shiat that had been trivial in PB was so much more complicated to do that it made me sad. It seemed like a huge backward step.
 
2013-11-08 01:24:13 PM

show me: Powerbuiler was an awesome language. You could write (and I did write) some very sophisticated GUIs that interfaced with a database so easily that it was crazy. They didn't take the Internet seriously soon enough, though, and by the time they tried it was already a dead language. I saw the writing on the wall and switched to Enterprise Java in 1999, and shiat that had been trivial in PB was so much more complicated to do that it made me sad. It seemed like a huge backward step.


so um ...
what would I use today? Instead of ColdFusion or Powerbuilder?
Say if I wanted ridiculously easy webpage which could update a database?

I am so out of date on this topic.
 
2013-11-08 01:45:43 PM
sydlexia.com
 
2013-11-08 01:46:37 PM
brain"fark" isn't that bad once you get how it works. In fact, I found it to be a good tool to reinforce a lesson on ASCII character codes.
 
2013-11-08 01:50:25 PM

Uzzah: [sydlexia.com image 562x386]


Aww.  I loved that stuff.

I bet he did too:
www.maniacworld.com
 
2013-11-08 01:56:56 PM

Tr0mBoNe: List is useless without Ruby on Rails.


Whatchutalkin bout Willis?  RoR hasn't been adopted as widely as those who hyped it 6-8 years ago claimed it would be, but it's an awesome framework for quick-n-dirty DB-backed websites.  Especially internal systems that don't have to look pretty.
 
2013-11-08 01:57:09 PM

namatad: show me: Powerbuiler was an awesome language. You could write (and I did write) some very sophisticated GUIs that interfaced with a database so easily that it was crazy. They didn't take the Internet seriously soon enough, though, and by the time they tried it was already a dead language. I saw the writing on the wall and switched to Enterprise Java in 1999, and shiat that had been trivial in PB was so much more complicated to do that it made me sad. It seemed like a huge backward step.

so um ...
what would I use today? Instead of ColdFusion or Powerbuilder?
Say if I wanted ridiculously easy webpage which could update a database?

I am so out of date on this topic.


I wish I could tell you. Enterprise Java Beans were supposed to be the savior, but they are so goddamn complicated and hard to maintain that nobody (as far as I know) uses them anymore. There are various Java frameworks available, but from what I have seen of them all that means is you have to learn Java AND a framework and hope that framework doesn't become obsolete in 6 months.

I don't have a lot of experience in non-Java solutions but for Enterprise work I can't really see PHP or Perl being great solutions. I hate scripted languages with no variable typing or object orientation. I have heard in the past that a lot of people like Python and Ruby, but I know nothing about them.

TL;DR I don't know.
 
2013-11-08 01:58:05 PM
I guess I'm a nerd, because the idea that INTERCAL had a "tonsil" instead of an "appendix" and you had to use the correct amount of politeness to get things to compile made me LOL.
 
2013-11-08 02:00:50 PM
No Hoon?
 
2013-11-08 02:02:47 PM
I'm getting a kick outta this thread.
www.bombjack.orgwww.z80.eu
www.z80.eu
 
2013-11-08 02:03:42 PM
APL
 

theorellior: I guess I'm a nerd,



What kind of nerd thinks atoms have an age?
 
2013-11-08 02:04:34 PM
Where is the love for WHITESPACE?
 
2013-11-08 02:09:12 PM
My first love will always be "C" which I thought was a beautifully powerful, yet elegant language.  I have been primarily a Java enterprise developer for over 10 years now.  However, I REALLY enjoy Python.  First, it is the best way to code Linux scripts ever (IMHO).  Also, I was impressed at the Collection objects built into it.  Also, it is a great language for someone who has never developed a program before... easy to learn yet still powerful enough to do some heavy lifting.  I have taught several how to code using it.  Python's online community is the best around.  Much better than even Java's where a questioned deemed unworthy can be served back to the submitter with great prejudice.
 
2013-11-08 02:09:20 PM
I love SAS;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
 
2013-11-08 02:09:31 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: APL



You shut your whore mouth!
 
2013-11-08 02:10:00 PM
Prolog

Everything is recursion

// And ADA sucks
 
2013-11-08 02:15:33 PM
Our internal website is all ColdFusion based.

Not a big fan of it but, then again, not a fan of web programming as a whole.
 
2013-11-08 02:16:03 PM
Hmmm ... should I semi-threadshiat another programming thread with another useless comment about relay ladder logic programming that everyone's going to ignore? Naah, I think I'll skip it.
 
2013-11-08 02:17:19 PM
Haskell is likely to remain obscure because if you want to do any sort of stateful programming (like I/O) you're going to need to delve into monads, and monads aren't very intuitive.
 
2013-11-08 02:19:24 PM
Delphi was killed by Microsoft. They offered VB4 for less money.
 
2013-11-08 02:19:43 PM

show me: Powerbuiler was an awesome language. You could write (and I did write) some very sophisticated GUIs that interfaced with a database so easily that it was crazy. They didn't take the Internet seriously soon enough, though, and by the time they tried it was already a dead language. I saw the writing on the wall and switched to Enterprise Java in 1999, and shiat that had been trivial in PB was so much more complicated to do that it made me sad. It seemed like a huge backward step.


Powerbuilder was an enterprise-level Hypercard. The main beef I had with Powerbuilder is that is didn't use pixels as display units. It had it's own units and they were not the same horizontally and vertically. I had a project that involved displaying near real-time graphics and we had to convert x/y coordinates in pixels into whatever the heck Powerbuilder was using.
 
2013-11-08 02:21:39 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: APL


Complete Pick-6 lottery generator (generates six random integers from 1 through 40, guaranteed non-repeating, sorted in ascending order) in APL:
↑6?40
 
2013-11-08 02:22:03 PM
Rails is still being professionally used? I thought it died out in favor of C#?
 
2013-11-08 02:22:43 PM
*Ruby

/whatever, you get what I'm saying
 
2013-11-08 02:25:05 PM

COMALite J: Quantum Apostrophe: APL

Complete Pick-6 lottery generator (generates six random integers from 1 through 40, guaranteed non-repeating, sorted in ascending order) in APL:↑6?40


I know. But let's face it, it hasn't thrived... How's the COMAL community doing?
 
2013-11-08 02:27:14 PM

namatad: show me: Powerbuiler was an awesome language. You could write (and I did write) some very sophisticated GUIs that interfaced with a database so easily that it was crazy. They didn't take the Internet seriously soon enough, though, and by the time they tried it was already a dead language. I saw the writing on the wall and switched to Enterprise Java in 1999, and shiat that had been trivial in PB was so much more complicated to do that it made me sad. It seemed like a huge backward step.

so um ...
what would I use today? Instead of ColdFusion or Powerbuilder?
Say if I wanted ridiculously easy webpage which could update a database?

I am so out of date on this topic.


PHP.
 
2013-11-08 02:28:47 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: COMALite J: Quantum Apostrophe: APL

Complete Pick-6 lottery generator (generates six random integers from 1 through 40, guaranteed non-repeating, sorted in ascending order) in APL:↑6?40

I know. But let's face it, it hasn't thrived... How's the COMAL community doing?


I should try to get back in touch with "Captain COMAL" (author of the COMAL Handbook shown above). I seem to be the only COMAL User's Group alumn still actively using the "COMALite _" handle.
 
2013-11-08 02:31:22 PM

COMALite J: Quantum Apostrophe: COMALite J: Quantum Apostrophe: APL

Complete Pick-6 lottery generator (generates six random integers from 1 through 40, guaranteed non-repeating, sorted in ascending order) in APL:↑6?40

I know. But let's face it, it hasn't thrived... How's the COMAL community doing?

I should try to get back in touch with "Captain COMAL" (author of the COMAL Handbook shown above). I seem to be the only COMAL User's Group alumn still actively using the "COMALite _" handle.


I have a Koala Pad you can use. You seem to like retro stuff...
 
2013-11-08 02:31:31 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: What kind of nerd thinks atoms have an age?


I dunno, I can't think of any off the top of my head. There are some on here that think all biological processes are perfectly reversible in time, I have no idea what those loons are smoking.
 
2013-11-08 02:31:38 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: COMALite J: Quantum Apostrophe: APL

Complete Pick-6 lottery generator (generates six random integers from 1 through 40, guaranteed non-repeating, sorted in ascending order) in APL:↑6?40

I know. But let's face it, it hasn't thrived... How's the COMAL community doing?


It is on a cyber strike.
 
2013-11-08 02:33:25 PM

netweavr: *Ruby

/whatever, you get what I'm saying


Github, Shopify, YellowPages.com, and Groupon all use Rails
Twitter has migrated some parts of their service away from it but still uses Rails in admin & back-office stuff.

I just saw that 4.0 was released last week.  I need to read up on that.

/seriously, it's great if you do a good job of normalizing your data schema.
//excellent way to build systems that respect a 3-tier view (data level, business logic level, presentation level)
 
2013-11-08 02:33:39 PM

lemurs: Haskell is likely to remain obscure because if you want to do any sort of stateful programming (like I/O) you're going to need to delve into monads, and monads aren't very intuitive.


Monads and strife, monads and strife, monads and strife
 
2013-11-08 02:38:26 PM

theorellior: Quantum Apostrophe: What kind of nerd thinks atoms have an age?

I dunno, I can't think of any off the top of my head. There are some on here that think all biological processes are perfectly reversible in time, I have no idea what those loons are smoking.


Um, I don't see the connection. Our building blocks are ageless, as long as you can bring in energy you can do pretty much anything biology is doing right now. "Age" will be described, understood, controlled and reversed. I mean it sounds like you think babies are magically made and we can't heal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_computing

We just need to be good enough. I'm sure we can do a lot better than Nature has gotten us so far.

Unless you think that computers getting better will have no effect on our understanding of the computational processes going on inside every cell in every living organism on Earth.

You're going to be the first in line to gobble up your AGE molecule breakers and assorted age reversing drugs.

Guaranteed.
 
2013-11-08 02:41:54 PM

namatad: so um ...
what would I use today? Instead of ColdFusion or Powerbuilder?
Say if I wanted ridiculously easy webpage which could update a database?

I am so out of date on this topic.


ASP.NET MVC talking to SQL Server.

If you use scaffolding, it pretty much writes the code for you.

And yeah, I know it's Microsoft, but it's goddamn beautiful.
 
2013-11-08 02:42:05 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: What kind of nerd thinks atoms have an age?


Someone who understands nuclear fusion, I suppose.
 
2013-11-08 02:43:12 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: theorellior: Quantum Apostrophe: What kind of nerd thinks atoms have an age?

I dunno, I can't think of any off the top of my head. There are some on here that think all biological processes are perfectly reversible in time, I have no idea what those loons are smoking.

Um, I don't see the connection. Our building blocks are ageless, as long as you can bring in energy you can do pretty much anything biology is doing right now. "Age" will be described, understood, controlled and reversed. I mean it sounds like you think babies are magically made and we can't heal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_computing

We just need to be good enough. I'm sure we can do a lot better than Nature has gotten us so far.

Unless you think that computers getting better will have no effect on our understanding of the computational processes going on inside every cell in every living organism on Earth.

You're going to be the first in line to gobble up your AGE molecule breakers and assorted age reversing drugs.

Guaranteed.


How did you get to be so terrified of aging?
 
2013-11-08 02:47:38 PM
What no Whitespace Epic Fail!
 
2013-11-08 02:47:39 PM
I'd thought Delphi was killed by the bastard child Delphi7, which, I'm told, was a compiler written so horribly it would introduce bugs in otherwise-correct code.
 
2013-11-08 02:50:26 PM
Go Forth!
 
2013-11-08 02:50:56 PM

DarthBart: namatad: show me: Powerbuiler was an awesome language. You could write (and I did write) some very sophisticated GUIs that interfaced with a database so easily that it was crazy. They didn't take the Internet seriously soon enough, though, and by the time they tried it was already a dead language. I saw the writing on the wall and switched to Enterprise Java in 1999, and shiat that had been trivial in PB was so much more complicated to do that it made me sad. It seemed like a huge backward step.

so um ...
what would I use today? Instead of ColdFusion or Powerbuilder?
Say if I wanted ridiculously easy webpage which could update a database?

I am so out of date on this topic.

PHP.


For Farks's sake.

PHP is a farking terrible language.   http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
For reasons, it was more or less the only language that did what it did and had the abilities that it had at the time.
As a result, there's a LOT of companies that use it for their backends.
And because a lot of really bright people have been hacking at it for a while, there's been some really cool things that have been done in it.
And it will let you get a job fairly easily, because we've spent the last not-quite-decade building up massive PHP codebases.
But let's not pretend that it's an ideal solution to the problem.

/Or to put it another way: Just because you CAN build a house by using a double-sided hammer and lots of houses have been doesn't mean that it's the best way to do it.
//And I have to admit that I don't know what the best alternatives are.  At work, we're using tornado servers on AWS with a celery backend, all written in Python.
///And I've used Ruby on Rails, which is IMO great if you're tightly tied to MVC design patterns and a database.
 
2013-11-08 02:53:21 PM

Feepit: Quantum Apostrophe: What kind of nerd thinks atoms have an age?

Someone who understands nuclear fusion, I suppose.


Please describe how an atom formed by fusion two seconds ago is in any way different from an atom of the same element from the Big Bang.

Please describe what can be measured, and you'll get a Nobel Prize, guaranteed. Hell, you'd get all of them.

Just tell me ONE thing that would be different. Would the "new" atom emit higher energy photons? Would it react faster with oxygen for example?

Just ONE. Measure it.

Show me.

Atoms don't have a property comparable to biological age. All carbon-12 atoms are the same all across the Universe, and were the same in the past, are the same now, and will be the same in a billion years.

Now, how you arrange massive amounts of them and how you interpret that ...

Carousel Beast: How did you get to be so terrified of aging?


A combination of a good memory, eyes, and a mirror. Anyone who isn't terrified of aging has to answer me this: How did we get so terrified of communicable diseases?

It's OK to treat those?

Anybody who doesn't realize aging is bad is either in full-on denial or downright mentally ill.
 
2013-11-08 02:54:46 PM

CujoQuarrel: Prolog

Everything is recursion

// And ADA sucks


Prolog

Everything is recursion

// And ADA sucks

 
2013-11-08 03:00:53 PM
This list fails without mentioning SmallTalk.
 
2013-11-08 03:02:37 PM
 
2013-11-08 03:02:46 PM
Coldfusion is still awesome...  never was a fan of php.
 
2013-11-08 03:03:15 PM
I think the Navajo would be quite surprised to hear that the Navajo language has no written form.

(That said, the code talkers were heroes.)
 
2013-11-08 03:04:01 PM
php is communism used by Soviets and Facebook to pollute our precious Western-patterns
 
2013-11-08 03:04:53 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to write a programming language based off of Ithkuil.
 
2013-11-08 03:05:49 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Um, I don't see the connection.


I know, we've been over this time and time again. It's not the atoms, it's what you build with the atoms. There are points in the Krebs/citric acid cycle where you can't reverse the process and create the reactants from the products, no matter how much energy you throw at the system. Time flows one way for biological systems. Entropy builds up, and only by very careful segregation and energy inputs can you sequester the information properly to allow new copies to be constructed from scratch.

Sorry, man, you're gonna die.
 
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