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(Yahoo)   Hyper-Incarceration: We go back about 30 years, we had about 300,000 incarcerated people in this country. Now we have 2.4 million   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 269
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2013-11-08 12:00:43 AM  
Well you have to allow for inflation.
 
2013-11-08 12:14:08 AM  
Oh my god, they're breeding them in the prisons.
 
2013-11-08 12:17:54 AM  
And violent crime is down. Not by 2 MILLION mind you, but hey, gotta throw 'em ALL in to catch the really bad ones.
 
2013-11-08 12:33:03 AM  
[needs citation]
 
2013-11-08 12:41:06 AM  
We are number one, hey.
 
2013-11-08 12:43:09 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-08 12:52:38 AM  
i.imgur.com

/don't extraordinarily render me, NSA-bros. You remember too.
 
2013-11-08 01:22:15 AM  
Gosh, the WoD is working

/thanks Carter
 
2013-11-08 01:28:40 AM  

ski9600: Gosh, the WoD is working

/thanks Carter

Nixon

FTFY
 
2013-11-08 01:43:51 AM  
Zero tolerance is the key. If is ain't perfect, you just have throw tons of money at it. Or let it screw society into madness. Either way.
 
2013-11-08 02:00:25 AM  
MY OPPONENT IS SOFT ON CRIME!

/This candidate brought to you by the Private Prison Industry, keeping America safe.
 
2013-11-08 02:10:07 AM  
Good.  All those potheads belong in jail.
 
2013-11-08 02:15:04 AM  
Thanks drug war, and prosecutors who see no shades of gray.
 
2013-11-08 02:34:46 AM  

Bucky Katt: Good.  All those potheads belong in jail.


you ever go to jail before?
 
2013-11-08 02:37:42 AM  

Marcus Aurelius:


That's the same chart as police funding via property seizure chart.
 
2013-11-08 02:39:26 AM  
You know what has steadily declined over the past 30 years? Use of the death penalty. This time has also seen the rise of gun and drug cartels from South America expanding into the US, especially on the east coast. Also, the rise of synthesized drugs like ecstasy.
 
2013-11-08 02:39:50 AM  
Uh, yay?
 
2013-11-08 02:40:01 AM  
Maybe we should have mass executions of prisoners. That would make the numbers look a little better.
 
2013-11-08 02:41:53 AM  
Let's implement for-profit gallows.  Think of the money to be made!
 
2013-11-08 02:41:55 AM  
There's good money to be made by locking up people.
 
2013-11-08 02:43:48 AM  

Atomic Spunk: Maybe we should have mass executions of prisonerslawyers and DAs. That would make the numbers look a little better.


FTFY. Shakespeare knew his business.
 
2013-11-08 02:44:44 AM  
Hey, private prisons are big business. So what if millions of nonviolent drug offenders have to rot in jail as long as a few rich assholes get richer?
 
2013-11-08 02:44:52 AM  
serenitygame.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-08 02:51:12 AM  
That's a lot of baby daddies.
 
2013-11-08 02:53:48 AM  

violentsalvation: Thanks drug war, and prosecutors who see no shades of gray.


Although they do see various shades of black and brown.
 
2013-11-08 03:00:33 AM  

HotWingAgenda: You know what has steadily declined over the past 30 years? Use of the death penalty. This time has also seen the rise of gun and drug cartels from South America expanding into the US, especially on the east coast. Also, the rise of synthesized drugs like ecstasy.


Terrycloth and corduroy have also steadily declined over the past 30 years. Your point?
 
2013-11-08 03:00:46 AM  

dkimball: [serenitygame.files.wordpress.com image 299x169]


This site clearly doesn't want you to use profanity, and here you are, breaking the rules.

Think you're a tough guy, do ya? Rules don't apply to you, Mr. Big Man. Wanna mess with the bull? DZZZT. DZZZT. Not so tough now after the taser, are ya? DZZT. What's that? You want more? DZZT.

Take him downtown for processing, boys. I think our comedian here is done his routine.
 
2013-11-08 03:00:57 AM  
Think of all the money the for-profit prisons are making! Why do you hate capitalism?!?
 
2013-11-08 03:01:07 AM  
Conservative republicans, that's why.
 
2013-11-08 03:01:27 AM  
There's a lot of money in locking people up.  Seriously.  If we haven't learned to look at all this "oh noes" in the perspective of the plain as the balls on a tall dog profit motives, we deserve to watch it all get sold out from under us.  Yeah, criminals suck.  And so does the justice industry.
 
2013-11-08 03:04:25 AM  

JerkyMeat: Conservative republicans, that's why.


And spineless Democrats running against conservative Republicans, afraid of being labeled "soft on crime."
 
2013-11-08 03:05:43 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: violentsalvation: Thanks drug war, and prosecutors who see no shades of gray.

Although they do see various shades of black and brown.


New Jim Crow
 
2013-11-08 03:06:53 AM  

sillydragon: Think of all the money the for-profit prisons are making! Why do you hate capitalism?!?


Freedom isn't free. Especially if someone else owns yours.
 
2013-11-08 03:07:17 AM  
From 300k to 2.4 million is a disturbing trend.
 
2013-11-08 03:08:49 AM  
Yes, but when young black males try to better themselves through hard work and effort, they are shunned by their peers for becoming "too white"...

How do you fight that attitude?
 
2013-11-08 03:09:49 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: [upload.wikimedia.org image 607x654]


Hm, I wonder what that could possibly mean.
 
2013-11-08 03:11:48 AM  

From The Woods: Bucky Katt: Good.  All those potheads belong in jail.

you ever go to jail before.. on weed?

 
2013-11-08 03:12:45 AM  
Thanks, Reagan!
 
2013-11-08 03:16:52 AM  
He makes a valid point.

Sending young men to 'crook school' for having committed small-time, non-violent (mostly drug) offenses is a recipe for manufacturing career criminals.

Corrective action and punishment? Absolutely. Not prison. Maybe something more like the UK's ASBO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbo
Of course, prison is an easy, black and white fix to a very gray problem. Throw 'em in prison, shouldn't broken the law.

/Yeah. No sleeping under bridges or stealing of bread, the law's the same for everyone.
 
2013-11-08 03:16:54 AM  
 
2013-11-08 03:16:55 AM  

Arcturus72: Yes, but when young black males try to better themselves through hard work and effort, they are shunned by their peers for becoming "too white"...

How do you fight that attitude?


Shoot them. No seriously. You remove a large criminal element and eliminate poverty all at once. Everyone knows they're nothing but thugs and a drain on society anyways. With them gone we spend that money from the no longer needed welfare programs on education and infrastructure, giving a boost to the economy, and it frees up a bunch of housing for the homeless too. Win/win.
 
2013-11-08 03:17:45 AM  

mediablitz: And violent crime is down. Not by 2 MILLION mind you, but hey, gotta throw 'em ALL in to catch the really bad ones.


Well it's down by at least 2 million. Those guys are in jail and aren't on the streets smuggling white slave hookers and drugs in their butts, with guns while being brown inside city limits before noon on a Tuesday.
 
2013-11-08 03:19:16 AM  

MechaPyx: Shoot them. No seriously. You remove a large criminal element and eliminate poverty all at once. Everyone knows they're nothing but thugs and a drain on society anyways. With them gone we spend that money from the no longer needed welfare programs on education and infrastructure, giving a boost to the economy, and it frees up a bunch of housing for the homeless too. Win/win.


A modest proposal.
 
2013-11-08 03:21:23 AM  

LewDux: From The Woods: Bucky Katt: Good.  All those potheads belong in jail.

you ever go to jail before.. on weed?


I've only been to jail once, and it was when I was drunk as hell. That cold cement floor really sobers you up fast.

/war on drugs is a national cancer
 
2013-11-08 03:24:17 AM  

dkimball:


Don't make everything against the law, asshole.
 
2013-11-08 03:25:40 AM  
the conservatives have destroyed our country...or nearly so...can we find any form of sanity from their 30+ years of destruction? I hope so but I am doubtful. I've seen first hand the damage their myopic vision has brought to our once proud country...Free expression condoned, political dissent brought into litmus loyalty checks, personal expression criminalized...The conservatives are seeking a 5th Reich and beware America because it could happen. These mentally ill/wacko hate filled damaged people would liquidate you and me without remorse to achieve their goals...Refuse to accept Fascism in America!
 
2013-11-08 03:26:01 AM  

whither_apophis: Marcus Aurelius:

That's the same chart as police funding via property seizure chart.


Hm, I wonder what that could possibly mean.

Actually, it's the war on drugs plus the sentencing reform act, plus states and feds enacting mandatory minimums throughout the 80's. That's that big uptick between 1980 and 1990. Not ONLY did the war on drugs virtually require cops to start arresting anyone with more than a seed or a leaf; not ONLY did the 1:100 ratio for crack cocaine mean that a rock of crack got you ten years in the slammer; and not ONLY did it become very profitable to arrest anyone with both $$ and drugs; in the 80's and early 90's, the "tough on crime" rhetoric began to spiral in on itself, and mandatory minimums effectively eliminated judicial discretion.

So cops arrested idiot with a joint, that wouldn't have mattered as you see between 1970-1980 because a judge could say "Send that idiot to 90 days of AA and don't let me see your sorry ass back in here again," however, during the 80's mandatory minimums took that option away. Now it was "You got caught with a joint? I'm sorry, son, but my hands are tied: The voters want all drug arrests to get five years for a second offense, and I've got no say in the matter." Toss in three-strikes laws, and that's why there are so many people in prison today.

In places where mandatory minimums have been relaxed or abolished, incarceration rates are slowly going back down, however, it is very very difficult to reverse the "tough on crime" trend, because it's such an easy way to win elections, no matter how the parties and voters ACTUALLY feel about the issue. Everyone will agree there are too many people in prison, that drug offenses can be treated better outside jails, and that too much money is being spent in the wrong way; yet the second someone gets up and says he/she is running on a platform to relax drug laws, the opposition screeches "Don't vote for Senator X!!! They're SOFT ON CRIME!!!" and they lose in a landslide.
 
2013-11-08 03:27:21 AM  

RandomRandom: Of course, prison is an easy, black and white fix to a very gray problem.


So long as the purpose of restricting the freedom of convicts is punishment and/or physical isolation, prison is an excellent solution. It does both those things very well.

I'd like to use the opportunity we have to guide the lives of convicts for some purpose other than punishment, but currently that's not even on the table.
 
2013-11-08 03:34:55 AM  
condemned not condoned...Dammit I've always sucked at spelling...!!:(
 
2013-11-08 03:37:46 AM  

Arcturus72: Yes, but when young black males try to better themselves through hard work and effort, they are shunned by their peers for becoming "too white"...

How do you fight that attitude?


IDK I just don't know...
 
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