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2013-11-08 12:16:36 AM
rlv.zcache.com
It's a start...
 
2013-11-08 01:10:58 AM
Bucholz, a 39-year-old engineer, admitted to being "a little bewildered" by the attention to his win, noting that his wife, Dinah, is usually the one getting publicity.
Dinah Bucholz is the author of "The Unofficial Harry Potter Cookbook." A registered Republican, she won a term on Tuesday as an election inspector.


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You weird Philly.
 
2013-11-08 01:28:21 AM
As a registered Whig for the past 30 years, it is gratifying to see America starting to open her collective eyes to the party of Lincoln...
 
2013-11-08 01:33:03 AM
Oh man, the Tories are going to be pissed.


hubiestubert: [rlv.zcache.com image 512x512]
It's a start...


The RIchest Man in Babylon: "The Unofficial Harry Potter Cookbook."


These two posts combine to make owl stew.
 
2013-11-08 01:37:23 AM
So are Whigs liberals or conservatives?
 
2013-11-08 01:42:11 AM

whidbey: So are Whigs liberals or conservatives?


Yes

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2013-11-08 01:43:14 AM

whidbey: So are Whigs liberals or conservatives?


I think we may need to consult history books for this one.  But I'm pretty sure the Republican Party drove it into obscurity.
 
2013-11-08 01:44:41 AM
We propose the following: offer illegal immigrants the opportunity for citizenship if they join the military and serve out their initial contractual term honorably.

Um...

-Investing in alternative energy sources, the foundation of our next economic boom

Without a description, I'm guessing "nuclear."
 
2013-11-08 01:44:50 AM
'Previously an independent, Bucholz said he joined the Whigs three years ago because of their fiscally conservative but socially liberal views. They represent a sensible "middle path" between Democrats and Republicans, especially in light of the recent government shutdown, he said.
"That pretty much told us we can't trust either party and the system is broken," Bucholz said Thursday.'

So, he's not very observant.

And he won 36 votes to 24 votes.  That's a mighty small election.  There's probably more voters than that in my subdivision.
 
2013-11-08 01:46:29 AM

Alphax: Previously an independent, Bucholz said he joined the Whigs three years ago because of their fiscally conservative but socially liberal views


...so they're Democrats?
 
2013-11-08 01:46:49 AM

whidbey: So are Whigs liberals or conservatives?


I can't think of a better comparison than the Optimates. For a strong central government as long as the legislature (and mainly the Senate) controlled it.
 
2013-11-08 01:46:58 AM

bluorangefyre: whidbey: So are Whigs liberals or conservatives?

I think we may need to consult history books for this one.  But I'm pretty sure the Republican Party drove it into obscurity.


The skeptic in me says the Whigs didn't do a lot of good for blacks or First Nations people.
 
2013-11-08 01:47:27 AM

bluorangefyre: I think we may need to consult history books for this one.  But I'm pretty sure the Republican Party drove it into obscurity.


Now the Republican party is headed towards obscurity. It was Lincoln who said it best "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
 
2013-11-08 01:49:01 AM

bbfreak: bluorangefyre: I think we may need to consult history books for this one.  But I'm pretty sure the Republican Party drove it into obscurity.

Now the Republican party is headed towards obscurity. It was Lincoln who said it best "A house divided against itself cannot stand except if because Jesus. Santorum 2016!."


FTFTeaParty
 
2013-11-08 01:50:35 AM

bbfreak: bluorangefyre: I think we may need to consult history books for this one.  But I'm pretty sure the Republican Party drove it into obscurity.

Now the Republican party is headed towards obscurity. It was Lincoln who said it best "A house divided against itself cannot stand."


First of all, I expected this to be about a guy named Whig.  I was happily suprised.

Second of all, the Republicans, of which I am no longer one of, need to kick out the tea party guys right now or you are going to be correct.  Take your losses, it will be worth it when you rebound.
 
2013-11-08 02:11:02 AM
Got the press release on this from the national chair. Its fun! Whigs are a fairly close fit, and ill help them along where it doesnt screw people over by leading to Republican wins.
 
2013-11-08 02:14:25 AM
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2013-11-08 02:34:48 AM

whidbey: So are Whigs liberals or conservatives?


Debatable.

Despite the article's overly simplified statement about Whigs being "socially liberal but fiscally conservative", it isn't quite that straightforward.
Whigs basically wanted to modernize the economy.  They were pro industrial expansion, but they didn't advocate an entirely free market approach.  They wanted government support for a modern economy by building things that would support industry.  They were basically "pro economic stimulus".  They also built public schools to help modernize rural areas.  On the other hand, many of them also wanted to teach moral values in those public schools, and were supporters of prohibition, and their policies explicitly favored those with money and education.

Overall they seem more liberal, though.  Most ex-Whigs gravitated towards the Republican party which, at the time, was the liberal, populist party more similar to todays Democrats than Republicans.

I actually like their idea of economic modernization if you translate it to today.  I would like to spend money on things that will gear our economy up for production again; modernizing the electrical grid, investing in companies that develop and produce new technology, and promoting policies that will enable new technologies to move forward (like making laws for self-driving cars).
 
2013-11-08 02:39:33 AM
 
2013-11-08 02:43:50 AM
There's hope.  There's actual hope.

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2013-11-08 02:46:21 AM

whidbey: So are Whigs liberals or conservatives?



The guy claims that they are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but that contrasts with history.  The original Whig Party mostly fought for the creation of a Federal Reserve-like bank to let the government borrow money on credit, and they wanted to raise taxes and use government grants to build new technologies (including energy).  They built schools all over the country (against heavy opposition) They were rivaling against Andrew Jackson, the ORIGINAL Tea Party President, and those who would emulate him.

So basically they were the pure liberals of that time period, with the slight difference that they were pro-rich people.  They fought the Democrats, who at this point were the Tea Party in every conceivable way except that they were anti-rich people.

They self-destructed over slavery, with their members splitting to join the Conservative Democrats and the brand-new Liberal Republican party.
 
2013-11-08 02:48:35 AM

Gawdzila: Whigs basically wanted to modernize the economy.  They were pro industrial expansion, but they didn't advocate an entirely free market approach.  They wanted government support for a modern economy by building things that would support industry.  They were basically "pro economic stimulus".  They also built public schools to help modernize rural areas.  On the other hand, many of them also wanted to teach moral values in those public schools, and were supporters of prohibition, and their policies explicitly favored those with money and education.


And they thought that Andrew Jackson was a dick.  Hard not to side with them on that one.
 
2013-11-08 03:26:43 AM
I've been mostly registered as a libertarian, though I went independent a few years ago.  The modern whigs now have my interest and I plan on reading up on them to see if it's a good fit for me.  I've always considered myself to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal, so I have high hopes.
 
2013-11-08 03:30:23 AM
The old parties are coming back: Congress, for example, is full of Know-Nothings.
 
2013-11-08 03:35:32 AM
How would i know anything about a Whig?
 
2013-11-08 03:41:00 AM

Gawdzila: I actually like their idea of economic modernization if you translate it to today. I would like to spend money on things that will gear our economy up for production again; modernizing the electrical grid, investing in companies that develop and produce new technology, and promoting policies that will enable new technologies to move forward (like making laws for self-driving cars).


Agreed. It's funny (not really) how the current GOP doesn't seem to mesh with any good ideas like these either social or fiscal.
 
2013-11-08 03:51:16 AM
Sounds like that 'Generic Republican' chap who was going to whip Obama to me
 
2013-11-08 04:13:31 AM

Insaniteus: whidbey: So are Whigs liberals or conservatives?


The guy claims that they are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but that contrasts with history.  The original Whig Party mostly fought for the creation of a Federal Reserve-like bank to let the government borrow money on credit, and they wanted to raise taxes and use government grants to build new technologies (including energy).  They built schools all over the country (against heavy opposition) They were rivaling against Andrew Jackson, the ORIGINAL Tea Party President, and those who would emulate him.

So basically they were the pure liberals of that time period, with the slight difference that they were pro-rich people.  They fought the Democrats, who at this point were the Tea Party in every conceivable way except that they were anti-rich people.

They self-destructed over slavery, with their members splitting to join the Conservative Democrats and the brand-new Liberal Republican party.


Aren't midern liberal politicians also pro-rich people?
 
2013-11-08 05:16:48 AM
Oh, cool, Another "both sides are bad" idiot.
How droll.
 
2013-11-08 05:18:25 AM

J. Frank Parnell: How would i know anything about a Whig?


I haven't seen your Whig around - do you feel naked without it?
 
2013-11-08 05:27:04 AM
Wait, what? The Whig party is a thing again?

*googles*

i293.photobucket.com

Huh, what do ya know.
 
2013-11-08 06:03:57 AM
How does he feel about vaginal wands?  I need to know if he is pro-vaginal wand or anti-vaginal wand.  That owl ain't getting my vote until I find out.
 
2013-11-08 06:08:44 AM
When do I get to tip-a-canoe?
 
2013-11-08 06:10:56 AM

Sum Dum Gai: Gawdzila: Whigs basically wanted to modernize the economy.  They were pro industrial expansion, but they didn't advocate an entirely free market approach.  They wanted government support for a modern economy by building things that would support industry.  They were basically "pro economic stimulus".  They also built public schools to help modernize rural areas.  On the other hand, many of them also wanted to teach moral values in those public schools, and were supporters of prohibition, and their policies explicitly favored those with money and education.

And they thought that Andrew Jackson was a dick.  Hard not to side with them on that one.


Andrew Jackson was a scary mother******. I kind of suspect that he was really a steampunk terminator, which will be revealed when he claws his way out of his grave and goes on a rampage through modern Washington DC.
SyFy original movie, here I come.
 
2013-11-08 06:35:41 AM

Richard C Stanford: Andrew Jackson was a scary mother******. I kind of suspect that he was really a steampunk terminator, which will be revealed when he claws his way out of his grave and goes on a rampage through modern Washington DC.
SyFy original movie, here I come.


Don't forget his parrot (the one that got kicked out of the funeral because it wouldn't stop cursing).  I picture it as like Bubo from Clash of the Titans but voiced by Samuel L. Jackson.
 
2013-11-08 06:58:56 AM
Whiggers are making a come back? Great. How long till we hear about the Icy Hot Stuntaz running for offices in the mid terms?
 
2013-11-08 07:04:40 AM

whidbey: So are Whigs liberals or conservatives?


Liberal. They rejected the low-wage economic model of the South (which still exists to this day, minus the literal chains) in favor of industrialization and promotion of the middle class. They believed in government activism, supporting tariffs and bounties on imported goods as well as government grants for some enterprises. They were the precursors to the Republicans. Lincoln was a Whig before the Republican Party was founded.
 
2013-11-08 07:18:33 AM
A few years ago I tried to get in touch with the Whigs about their presence in MA and how I could help.  They never got back to me.

I like the modern Whigs, they seem to line up with my socially liberal and fiscally conservative outlook.  Real fiscal conservatism, mind you.  Raise taxes, (gradually) lower spending, lower the deficit and start paying down the debt.
My own personal pipe dream is to gut the defense budget by 75% over a decade and use half that money to develop tech that will get us mining asteroids.
 
2013-11-08 07:47:36 AM

Running a-puck: A few years ago I tried to get in touch with the Whigs about their presence in MA and how I could help.  They never got back to me.

I like the modern Whigs, they seem to line up with my socially liberal and fiscally conservative outlook.  Real fiscal conservatism, mind you.  Raise taxes, (gradually) lower spending, lower the deficit and start paying down the debt.
My own personal pipe dream is to gut the defense budget by 75% over a decade and use half that money to develop tech that will get us mining asteroids.


That's not being fiscally conservative; it's being fiscally responsible
 
2013-11-08 07:48:05 AM
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2013-11-08 07:48:43 AM
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2013-11-08 07:53:09 AM
I consider myself to be fiscally conservative but socially liberal.
I like these people. I think I may subscribe to their newsletter.
 
2013-11-08 07:56:34 AM

Wendy's Chili: They were the precursors to the Republicans. Lincoln was a Whig before the Republican Party was founded.


And never stopped identifying himself as one - he modeled his early politiical career upon Henry Clay. Supporting the Republican party was just how he kept his name on national ballots.

Abraham Lincoln - the original RINO.  :)
 
2013-11-08 08:01:23 AM

ad_rizzle: whidbey: So are Whigs liberals or conservatives?

I can't think of a better comparison than the Optimates. For a strong central government as long as the legislature (and mainly the Senate) controlled it.


Are they a third faction in the Autobots/Decepticon war?
 
2013-11-08 08:18:55 AM
Fantasmagoria Purlene Robinson: Wait a minute, they's TWO wig parties?? Uh-uh! That ain't right!

Robert "Heshy" Bucholz: I can explain, Madam! My Whig has an "H" in it!

Fantasmagoria Purlene Robinson: Mmm? Well, my wig's got a CRUISE SHIP in it! So you'd best step up your game, Ben Franklin!
 
2013-11-08 08:20:31 AM
"Socially liberal and fiscally conservative" = "I don't want to enslave black people, but I don't want to give their kids food stamps, either."
 
2013-11-08 08:25:44 AM

hubiestubert: It's a start...


I think the communists might still be considered to be showing more signs of life.
 
2013-11-08 08:26:09 AM

Weigard: "Socially liberal and fiscally conservative" = "I don't want to enslave black people, but I don't want to give their kids food stamps, either."


"I'm against big government, but we need lots of cops and jails to protect my property from the poors".
 
2013-11-08 08:39:07 AM

TFerWannaBe: That's not being fiscally conservative; it's being fiscally responsible


Yep.  Being fiscally conservative means raising spending and cutting taxes.
 
2013-11-08 08:42:28 AM

whidbey: So are Whigs liberals or conservatives?


They're not Tea Party Republicans, therefore they are screaming, prancing Libbocreeps.
 
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