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(NYPost)   Dear IRS, please send my refund of $2 billion to Lithuania. Sincerely, Bill Gates   (nypost.com ) divider line
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2013-11-08 01:22:09 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: AverageAmericanGuy: Sending a refund overseas should raise a flag in the first place.

One would think, but they have eagle eyes when it comes to nailing me and a tax-dodging ex-wife years ago and my feet are still firmly on this continent.


Well, there's always adoption.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aV8L9kX4xg
 
2013-11-08 01:30:56 AM  

Sim Tree: Why are 340 income tax refunds going to one single address in Bulgaria? Shouldn't the computer kick out obvious edge cases for human oversight, at the very least?


The sad thing is most government databases and hardware are so woefully outdated that these things get passed them because they aren't sophisticated enough to catch them. And any attempt to update them has been met with furious opposition from some in congress under the guise of saving money, either that or any bill that has been introduced to update them has had so many extra riders attached to them that they get voted down. Unless of course those databases and hardware are for the NSA or CIA, then they get a blank check. And this problem isn't going to end especially with the Rights new focus on destroying the IRS. Seriously, if you want to stop this type of thing, roll the IRS into the NSA, then all of this stuff would basically stop overnight.
 
2013-11-08 01:31:46 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Hmmm. Now I'm wondering what are the extradition treaties (if any) with Lithuania?

Second place - China.  And I know they don't have any extradition treaties with the US.  Nah, fark that.  I've lived there.  I don't want to live there for the rest of my life.


Don't they have the equivalent of a PO Box that you could rent out, then have that company send your mail back to you in the US to a PO Box?
 
2013-11-08 01:51:47 AM  
The sad thing is that the IRS (often) tries to do a good job; and people who don't think taxes are spent well try to blame the IRS rather than blaming the actual politicians who waste the money and then over-complicate the tax system.

The IRS does need to overhaul its incredible litany of forms. If you make a few hundred dollars profit from sale of a stock and don't have the money in a long-term investment account (suppose you plan to take the money out of the account and use it to make extra student loan payments), just figuring out which forms to fill out can take hours. And the way they tell you to do the math on tax forms is amazingly roundabout and long-winded.

I used to do tax work for a living.

I have had far worse arguments with state and local tax bodies.  Some of my close relatives were forced to pay $1,500 extra in "back-owed" property tax that IS NOT OWED.  The county said they built an extension onto the house that increased its value - the house has never had an extension, it's the same as it was built 30 years ago.  It seems that they updated the computer system to say what features houses had, and they added a previously unmentioned porch.  As the porch was built (and bought) with the house, it is part of the original purchase value and has always been taxed correctly. The relatives sent a petition (which had to be filed between the months of January and April, no earlier and no later), but apparently the county never received it.
Taxes due: $1,500 immediately.
I helped them dispute the value change, and that "addition" has been removed from the home's value for future taxes.  The county will give no refunds, they literally told me "we don't have the money to refund to you, we've already spent it. Goodbye." So, even the county has determined that the extension does not exist and the taxes were not owed, but they will not refund.   There is not really any ability to take the county to court, they have the rules set so that if they don't receive (or if they simply lost) the petition, there is no method for further dispute.  If it was a $100,000 bill then there might be some legal options that could be explored, but for $1,500 the legal costs would far outweigh anything else.
 
2013-11-08 04:20:53 AM  
Chris45215: ...
I helped them dispute the value change, and that "addition" has been removed from the home's value for future taxes.  The county will give no refunds, they literally told me "we don't have the money to refund to you, we've already spent it. Goodbye." So, even the county has determined that the extension does not exist and the taxes were not owed, but they will not refund.   There is not really any ability to take the county to court, they have the rules set so that if they don't receive (or ...

Newbie question: can you not sue the county?
 
2013-11-08 04:22:33 AM  

doosh: Chris45215: ...
I helped them dispute the value change, and that "addition" has been removed from the home's value for future taxes.  The county will give no refunds, they literally told me "we don't have the money to refund to you, we've already spent it. Goodbye." So, even the county has determined that the extension does not exist and the taxes were not owed, but they will not refund.   There is not really any ability to take the county to court, they have the rules set so that if they don't receive (or ...

Newbie question: can you not sue the county?


Or even simpler, just get them to acknowledge the overpayment and use it as credit.
 
2013-11-08 04:49:42 AM  
Every morning I get up and look in the mirror and repeatedly say:  "Lie man!  Just farking lie!"
 
2013-11-08 06:46:40 AM  

Chris45215: If it was a $100,000 bill then there might be some legal options that could be explored, but for $1,500 the legal costs would far outweigh anything else.


I'd have told them it's refund my $1500 OR pay at least $10k in legal expenses(I REFUSE to let them profit from their own mistake).  If they can't refund me the money now I'll even be nice and count the $1500 in credit for next year's property tax bill at a simple 5% interest(So roughly $75 of interest).
 
2013-11-08 06:54:50 AM  

Firethorn: Chris45215: If it was a $100,000 bill then there might be some legal options that could be explored, but for $1,500 the legal costs would far outweigh anything else.

I'd have told them it's refund my $1500 OR pay at least $10k in legal expenses(I REFUSE to let them profit from their own mistake).  If they can't refund me the money now I'll even be nice and count the $1500 in credit for next year's property tax bill at a simple 5% interest(So roughly $75 of interest).


Oh, and point out that if they refuse and try to put a lien on the property because I 'underpaid' my taxes by $1500 the next year I'll haul all the documents into court and make it really, really expensive for them.

ITG aside though, I'd just be more polite.
 
2013-11-08 07:15:54 AM  

sheep snorter: Ooooooo, so scary. How about those corporations who get big tax refunds from basically paying no tax, via cooking their books and making it look like their U.S. operation made no money.

/Big Oil and dirty Kochs gets free taxpayer money too.
//Better not mention that.
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You do realize big corporations  customers are the ones actually paying the taxes.  Do you really think if the tax loopholes are closed, the big corporations would just eat the loses?
 
2013-11-08 07:22:50 AM  

MrHappyRotter: This is just the proof we need that shows the IRS is ineffective and should be disbanded immediately.


Exactly.  They are a total failure.  Instead they waste time trying to tag some teabaggers - who actually live in this country while sending MILLIONS in refunds to the same address in Lithuania.
 
2013-11-08 07:29:23 AM  

Smackledorfer: So as I have said for decades, increase their funding so they can catch more fraud. It should have a literally positive monetary return on dollars spent


Put them on a quota sysem.  Like cops, who actually have to prove their worth in arrests etc.
 
2013-11-08 08:02:55 AM  
"The Internal Revenue Service issued $4 billion in fraudulent tax refunds last year to people using stolen identities, with some of the money going to addresses in Bulgaria, Lithuania and Ireland..."

I guess they can write that off as a business loss on their return next year?
 
2013-11-08 08:12:41 AM  

ongbok: Sim Tree: Why are 340 income tax refunds going to one single address in Bulgaria? Shouldn't the computer kick out obvious edge cases for human oversight, at the very least?

The sad thing is most government databases and hardware are so woefully outdated that these things get passed them because they aren't sophisticated enough to catch them. And any attempt to update them has been met with furious opposition from some in congress under the guise of saving money, either that or any bill that has been introduced to update them has had so many extra riders attached to them that they get voted down. Unless of course those databases and hardware are for the NSA or CIA, then they get a blank check. And this problem isn't going to end especially with the Rights new focus on destroying the IRS. Seriously, if you want to stop this type of thing, roll the IRS into the NSA, then all of this stuff would basically stop overnight.


Put them under the DHS and a budget and their weapons will no longer be of any consequence and they can spend what they want.
 
2013-11-08 08:14:58 AM  
Doosh and Firethorn, I completely agree with you both, but the problem is the simple question of "what court?" The county court won't accept the case as the dispute period is over. Also, refusing to pay and having a tax lien on the house means that the owner's credit rating drops as low as it can go (a tax lien is the absolute worst thing to have on a credit report), and they were getting a refinance so that wasn't really possible. It would have a catastrophic effect on all other credit like car loans and credit cards too. The court process would also cost a lot more than $1,500, so they would lose money even if they won, and the county will not pay court costs.  If I were to argue that the homeowners were senile and couldn't understand what was happening, then I might be able to get some compliance out of the county and court system, but that simply is not the case.
 
2013-11-08 08:37:36 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: DoBeDoBeDo: Sim Tree: Why are 340 income tax refunds going to one single address in Bulgaria? Shouldn't the computer kick out obvious edge cases for human oversight, at the very least?

Have you not paid attention to the abilities of computer systems that government contractors put together?

By that you mean what computer programmers on private sector companies put together on the taxpayer dime, right? Because it is private contractors who do this work, and they are not accountable to anyone. It's not like computer scientists have an ethics code once they graduate, and private sector contractors are impossible to chase for shoddy work.


That's exactly what a government contractor is, someone on a contract with the government.   Not a direct government employee.

It's a combination of too many committees and crap on the government side putting together shoddy (at best) requirements, which, are then put together by companies with no desire or oversight to keep the costs down and the product quality up.   So you get things like stolen code where the copyright is left off and the Feds are charged for 200 hours of coding on a 30 second cut and paste job.  Where obvious flaws go unannounced by the company because there is more money to be made in going back and "fixing" it later rather than taking the 5 minutes to do it right the first time.  Where when requirements don't really make sense they aren't clarified for a more functional product they are simply delivered as written which results in a barely functional product from the start.
 
2013-11-08 08:53:35 AM  
But I am totally sure these waterheads can run healthcare.  Aren't you?  No?  You're racist.
 
2013-11-08 09:52:07 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: But I am totally sure these waterheads can run healthcare.  Aren't you?  No?  You're racist.


That's why we went with Obamacare rather than single-payer, isn't it? Because the government has zero doctors and zero decisions to make about our healthcare.
 
2013-11-08 10:24:01 AM  
Headline fail, because rich people don't get refunds.  They are smart enough not to give the government an interest free loan.
 
2013-11-08 10:26:56 AM  

vygramul: Lt. Cheese Weasel: But I am totally sure these waterheads can run healthcare.  Aren't you?  No?  You're racist.

That's why we went with Obamacare rather than single-payer, isn't it? Because the government has zero doctors and zero decisions to make about our healthcare.


thebreakthrough.org
 
2013-11-08 11:12:55 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: vygramul: Lt. Cheese Weasel: But I am totally sure these waterheads can run healthcare.  Aren't you?  No?  You're racist.

That's why we went with Obamacare rather than single-payer, isn't it? Because the government has zero doctors and zero decisions to make about our healthcare.

[thebreakthrough.org image 237x213]


I'm pretty sure it's on top of your head. I just chose not to draw attention to it.
 
2013-11-08 12:31:23 PM  

Chris45215: The sad thing is that the IRS (often) tries to do a good job; and people who don't think taxes are spent well try to blame the IRS rather than blaming the actual politicians who waste the money and then over-complicate the tax system.


I don't really blame the IRS. I spent a fair amount of time on the phone with an Agent, and she sounded downright weary and frustrated when telling me about the fraud cases she's seen, the things that contribute to the IRS's need for increased scrutiny. People claiming multiple adopted children in a single year, all of them imaginary, just for the credits. Those are the people that I hate - the ones looking to make a quick buck off of the good intentions of our social safety nets. Honestly, I'd be okay with execution (or at least exile *sigh*) for people like that. They're not just non-contributors, but saboteurs, cultural looters, constantly dragging our civilization backward towards collapse.
 
2013-11-08 06:22:29 PM  

Sim Tree: Why are 340 income tax refunds going to one single address in Bulgaria? Shouldn't the computer kick out obvious edge cases for human oversight, at the very least?


They are only set to flag legitimate returns for audit.
 
2013-11-08 11:29:40 PM  

Chris45215: The court process would also cost a lot more than $1,500, so they would lose money even if they won, and the county will not pay court costs.


I'd repeat the most expensive words in law: "It's the principle of the matter".  IE I don't care that it costs me money - as long as it costs them more.  They WILL NOT profit from it.  Even if I have to camp out and use up the tax department's time, phone lines, etc...
 
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