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(Telegraph)   And the winner of today's "You're Not Helping" Award is: Dan Savage   (blogs.telegraph.co.uk) divider line 127
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2013-11-07 02:56:26 PM
I guess he's not doing the Boy Meets World sequel anymore.
 
2013-11-07 03:04:06 PM
Step 1: Fail at identifying the joke
Step 2: Outrage
Step 3: Step in front of a bus
 
2013-11-07 03:10:42 PM
I normally dismiss people who don't "get" sarcasm or hyperbole as halfwits who aren't worth even the dignity of a rebuttal. But every now and then you meet someone who *does* get it but chooses to pretend that he or she does not, usually in order to feign a politically convenient outrage for a point that they otherwise lack the ability or intelligence to make, and in my darker moments I want those people staked and burned alive.
 
2013-11-07 03:10:50 PM

James!: Step 1: Fail at identifying the joke
Step 2: Outrage
Step 3: Step in front of a bus


To be fair, I'd be fine with the author just skipping to Step 3.
 
2013-11-07 03:15:03 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: James!: Step 1: Fail at identifying the joke
Step 2: Outrage
Step 3: Step in front of a bus

To be fair, I'd be fine with the author just skipping to Step 3.


I agree, but since he already did the first two he may as well finish it out.
 
2013-11-07 03:15:27 PM
In 21st century America, he's a serious liberal icon

*stoppedreadingthere.jpg*
 
2013-11-07 03:17:12 PM
Okay, fine, go ahead and be outraged at this comment. Rational people will continue to point and laugh at you, but you won't notice.
 
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2013-11-07 03:24:52 PM
how about making sure that the idiots in utah stop with the clown car bit.
 
2013-11-07 03:24:54 PM
Dan Savage has probably earned a Lifetime Achievement Award for Not Helping, but I'm not sure this is a good example.
 
2013-11-07 03:26:06 PM
Playing dumb is twice as bad as being dumb.
 
2013-11-07 03:27:38 PM
I say all the time that I'm not pro-choice, I'm pro-abortion (mostly jokingly), and even I find this beyond asinine.
 
2013-11-07 03:28:01 PM
Hmm... ABORTIONS FOR SOME, MINIATURE AMERICAN FLAGS FOR OTHERS.
 
2013-11-07 03:28:54 PM
But what if Ford was actually designing an AIDS-powered car filled with 32 Hitlers? WHAT THEN, LIBBOS?!
 
2013-11-07 03:29:16 PM
Anybody know what Hitchen's dangerous idea was?

Also  The irony is that prior to this comment Savage and Hitchens were arguing about who was the more authoritarian: religious conservatives or free-loving liberals.must've been amusing to watch...
 
2013-11-07 03:29:27 PM
"...if I had been around when your mother was having you, not only would I have paid for the abortion, but I would have performed it myself!"
 
2013-11-07 03:29:37 PM

Pocket Ninja: I normally dismiss people who don't "get" sarcasm or hyperbole as halfwits who aren't worth even the dignity of a rebuttal. But every now and then you meet someone who *does* get it but chooses to pretend that he or she does not, usually in order to feign a politically convenient outrage for a point that they otherwise lack the ability or intelligence to make, and in my darker moments I want those people staked and burned alive.


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2013-11-07 03:30:06 PM
Him being sarcastic doesn't change the fact that Dan Savage is a horrible person.
 
2013-11-07 03:31:05 PM
So much butthurt from someone who obviously wants to be hurt in the butt.
 
2013-11-07 03:31:15 PM
WTF Subby?  You've never heard of the Savage Love podcast?  Or are you just that idiotic and closeted about your own feelings or something?
 
2013-11-07 03:32:21 PM

Lando Lincoln: Okay, fine, go ahead and be outraged at this comment. Rational people will continue to point and laugh at you, but you won't notice.


Pretty much that.
 
2013-11-07 03:32:38 PM
Dan Savage became a complete tool years and years ago. In his quest to stay relevant and, you know, Edgy, he went way over into not merely stupidity but irony-deprived homophobia. Dude's written WAY too many columns where he harrasses gay guys for not being out or not being comfortable with their sexuality or harrangues straight guys for not being straight enough, etc.

I don't know anyone who's taken him very seriously in the last five or six years, even. I don't think I know anyone who still reads his column regularly. He's kind of done.
 
2013-11-07 03:32:41 PM
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I'm glad to see England still holds its Upperclass Twit of the Year contest, and I'm impressed that the winner gets a job at the Telegraph!
 
2013-11-07 03:32:57 PM

Chinchillazilla: Dan Savage has probably earned a Lifetime Achievement Award for Not Helping, but I'm not sure this is a good example.


May I ask why?
 
2013-11-07 03:35:59 PM

Rwa2play: Chinchillazilla: Dan Savage has probably earned a Lifetime Achievement Award for Not Helping, but I'm not sure this is a good example.

May I ask why?


Probably voted for Santorum.
 
2013-11-07 03:36:08 PM

optional: Him being sarcastic doesn't change the fact that Dan Savage is a horrible person.


If him being a "horrible person" is identifing the racists, homophones and hypocrites in our society, then I want to aspire to be the biggest son of a biatch on the planet.  I want goddamn statues put up in my name as the most horrible man in existence for calling out bible-thumpers who are hypocrites of the highest order.
 
2013-11-07 03:36:47 PM

Rwa2play: Chinchillazilla: Dan Savage has probably earned a Lifetime Achievement Award for Not Helping, but I'm not sure this is a good example.

May I ask why?


He's a mysoginist who hates fat people.  Basically an average male on the internet.
 
2013-11-07 03:36:56 PM

a particular individual: So much butthurt from someone who obviously wants to be hurt in the butt.


Yeah, he's definitely giving the "I want a dominatrix to peg me" vibe.
 
2013-11-07 03:37:08 PM
His heart's in the right place, but mandatory abortions are needlessly violent and coercive.  We can get the same effect by mandatory birth control and incentivizing undesirable elements to self-sterilize.
 
2013-11-07 03:37:18 PM
Once again, the Chinese has beaten us to the punch.
 
2013-11-07 03:38:14 PM

James!: Rwa2play: Chinchillazilla: Dan Savage has probably earned a Lifetime Achievement Award for Not Helping, but I'm not sure this is a good example.

May I ask why?

He's a mysoginist who hates fat people.  Basically an average male on the internet.


If you're talking about Dan Savage:   [notsureifserious.jpg]
 
2013-11-07 03:40:50 PM

Rwa2play: James!: Rwa2play: Chinchillazilla: Dan Savage has probably earned a Lifetime Achievement Award for Not Helping, but I'm not sure this is a good example.

May I ask why?

He's a mysoginist who hates fat people.  Basically an average male on the internet.

If you're talking about Dan Savage:   [notsureifserious.jpg]


That's the accusation.

http://www.shakesville.com/2012/07/dan-savage-continues-to-make-sure -i t.html
 
2013-11-07 03:41:52 PM

James!: Rwa2play: Chinchillazilla: Dan Savage has probably earned a Lifetime Achievement Award for Not Helping, but I'm not sure this is a good example.

May I ask why?

He's a mysoginist who hates fat people.  Basically an average male on the internet.


Well, he's not anymore, but it's fun to play cherry-picker and ignore the bulk of his work in favor of grabbing a few quotes from old columns that he's explicitly disavowed as coming from his more gay radical days.
 
2013-11-07 03:41:58 PM
I can understand that a person may not appreciate Dan Savage's... "humor".... but it's not exactly subtle and hard to miss. You have to try pretty hard to mistake it for an honest opinion.

His biography of Pat Buchanan is out now.

Oh... never mind... crusty old man thinking detected.
 
2013-11-07 03:42:03 PM
I'm sure if it had been a conservative columnist making a "joke" about how lesbians should be forcibly impregnated, everyone would be equally dismissive.

/used to like Savage Love, but he's become a complete tool
 
2013-11-07 03:42:17 PM

a particular individual: Rwa2play: Chinchillazilla: Dan Savage has probably earned a Lifetime Achievement Award for Not Helping, but I'm not sure this is a good example.

May I ask why?

Probably voted for Santorum.


Lol, quite the opposite. I think Savage makes liberals look bad, and he's quite smug about it while doing it.
 
2013-11-07 03:42:27 PM

James!: Rwa2play: Chinchillazilla: Dan Savage has probably earned a Lifetime Achievement Award for Not Helping, but I'm not sure this is a good example.

May I ask why?

He's a mysoginist who hates fat people.  Basically an average male on the internet.


Yeah, all his rants about women deserving the right to their own sexual agency are sooo misogynistic.
 
2013-11-07 03:43:20 PM

optional: Him being sarcastic doesn't change the fact that Dan Savage is a horrible person.


I'm sure I'm being trolled but what makes Dan Savage a horrible person?
 
2013-11-07 03:44:38 PM
Dan Savage lost me when I heard him interviewed where things got kind of heated, he was accused of sounding like he was claiming homosexual superiority, and he blurted out something like, "We ARE superior to you!"

He quickly took it back, and I suspect he only said it in the heat of anger, but I couldn't shake the feeling he was expressing a serious belief that he'd have rather kept to himself.
 
2013-11-07 03:44:46 PM
Anyone who took what he said seriously is someone who never passes up an opportunity to be outraged.
 
2013-11-07 03:44:49 PM

RenownedCurator: I'm sure if it had been a conservative columnist making a "joke" about how lesbians should be forcibly impregnated, everyone would be equally dismissive.


Actually, that's exactly how we respond to conservative "humor". By being dismissive of it.

This guy isn't being dismissive of an unfunny joke, however, he seems to seriously believe it was an honest opinion. Or is pretending to so he has a reason to mewl like a baby, anyway. Given the propensity for crying and blubbering on the right, it's hard not to assume he knows damn well it was a lousy joke and is just looking for a reason to well up.
 
2013-11-07 03:44:50 PM

James!: Rwa2play: James!: Rwa2play: Chinchillazilla: Dan Savage has probably earned a Lifetime Achievement Award for Not Helping, but I'm not sure this is a good example.

May I ask why?

He's a mysoginist who hates fat people.  Basically an average male on the internet.

If you're talking about Dan Savage:   [notsureifserious.jpg]

That's the accusation.

http://www.shakesville.com/2012/07/dan-savage-continues-to-make-sure -i t.html


Uh...me smells copious amounts of bullshiat there.
 
2013-11-07 03:44:52 PM
Oh yeah, this is the British historian who thinks Pat Buchanan is somehow the greatest conservative of all time. Yeah. Run with that. I don't think the author of Skipping Towards Gomorrah is going to care what you think of him.
 
2013-11-07 03:45:07 PM
"Mr. Savage, can you provide an example of a dangerous idea?"

"Well we can institute mandatory abortions for population control."

"How dare you answer the question I posed!"
 
2013-11-07 03:45:08 PM

James!: Rwa2play: James!: Rwa2play: Chinchillazilla: Dan Savage has probably earned a Lifetime Achievement Award for Not Helping, but I'm not sure this is a good example.

May I ask why?

He's a mysoginist who hates fat people.  Basically an average male on the internet.

If you're talking about Dan Savage:   [notsureifserious.jpg]

That's the accusation.

http://www.shakesville.com/2012/07/dan-savage-continues-to-make-sure -i t.html


The author of that post sounds fat.
 
2013-11-07 03:45:45 PM

Chinchillazilla: Dan Savage has probably earned a Lifetime Achievement Award for Not Helping, but I'm not sure this is a good example.


Yeah, this.
 
2013-11-07 03:45:56 PM

Chinchillazilla: a particular individual: Rwa2play: Chinchillazilla: Dan Savage has probably earned a Lifetime Achievement Award for Not Helping, but I'm not sure this is a good example.

May I ask why?

Probably voted for Santorum.

Lol, quite the opposite. I think Savage makes liberals look bad, and he's quite smug about it while doing it.


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2013-11-07 03:46:28 PM

Johnny_Whistle: Anyone who took what he said seriously is someone who never passes up an opportunity to be outraged.


So, a conservative, then.
 
2013-11-07 03:46:58 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: "Mr. Savage, can you provide an example of a dangerous idea?"

"Well we can institute mandatory abortions for population control."

"How dare you answer the question I posed!"


And that's the thread folks~!  Thanks for coming!
 
2013-11-07 03:51:12 PM
In my darker moments, I fail to understand attempts at humor.
 
2013-11-07 03:52:07 PM

RandomAxe: Dan Savage became a complete tool years and years ago. In his quest to stay relevant and, you know, Edgy, he went way over into not merely stupidity but irony-deprived homophobia. Dude's written WAY too many columns where he harrasses gay guys for not being out or not being comfortable with their sexuality or harrangues straight guys for not being straight enough, etc.

I don't know anyone who's taken him very seriously in the last five or six years, even. I don't think I know anyone who still reads his column regularly. He's kind of done.


csb time

That's up for debate. I've met Dan numerous times years ago and have read his columns. He's opinionated but in my meetings and knowledge of him he's more of a smartass, if anything. Fun to drink beers with though. He was one of the people interviewing me when I tried to get a graphics job at The Stranger years ago. They didn't actually have openings (even though I worked at the bike shop on the ground floor and fixed their shiat daily) but they were more interested in how I completely warped their homepage and turned it into a resume (with working links, back in the easy html days, when I could still write it).

First Q from Dan, Lori, and I forgot who was the publisher at the time, "How the hell did you do that?". A: Uhh....Acrobat and Photoshop and a little Illustrator.  Niiiiiiiceee.  Unfortunately for me, they wanted to hire me, but no openings. When one did come around and I got the call, I was already working for another paper in the area.

But Dan, while he comes across as a total provocative gay dick to people, really isn't. He can troll like a champ in those interviews though, and he knows it. Perhaps he's getting old and busted as the meme goes, but what he has to say does have relevance.

/csb
 
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