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2013-11-07 01:28:39 PM
It sounds like Northwest Christian University is significantly more tolerant than some religious schools.  At Liberty they'd have already put him on a bus out of town.

/oooh, turns out NCU is historically affiliated with the Disciples of Christ, that explains a bit
//DoC is about as vanilla and inoffensive as Great Awakening Protestantism gets - it's like Lutheranism without the 2-hour program on NPR.
 
2013-11-07 01:30:10 PM
media.tumblr.com
 
2013-11-07 01:31:34 PM
He's kinda cute.  Too bad he didn't come out as both.
 
2013-11-07 01:47:32 PM
All it takes to be an atheist is to be willing to apply knowledge of history and logic to theological suppositiions.
 
2013-11-07 01:55:20 PM

Marcus Aurelius: All it takes to be an atheist is to be willing to apply knowledge of history and logic to theological suppositiions.


It takes far more than that to be an atheist. You have to have a willingness to take responsibility for your part.
 
2013-11-07 01:59:52 PM
From their FAQ:

Do I have to be a Christian to attend NCU?
No. We welcome students who have no faith commitment or are from other faith commitments. NCU is not a 'church', nor do we require students to be Christians or to subscribe to any faith statement. At the same time, all students should be prepared to be exposed daily to a Christian world-view and to be encouraged to a Christian faith commitment. As a community, we are committed to living out our middle name.

Meh, sounds like most universities that aren't Baptist.
 
2013-11-07 02:03:04 PM

scottydoesntknow: Meh, sounds like most universities that aren't Baptist.


Considering the whole article went by without anyone "blasting" him, knowing that "blast" is one of modern media's favorite words for disagreement, I'd say this is basically a non-story.
 
2013-11-07 02:19:49 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Marcus Aurelius: All it takes to be an atheist is to be willing to apply knowledge of history and logic to theological suppositiions.

It takes far more than that to be an atheist. You have to have a willingness to take responsibility for your part.


My part is straight as an arrow.  I just took a shower and washed my hair.
 
2013-11-07 02:38:06 PM
SphericalTime: He's kinda cute.

*starts to move to click on profile*

Too bad he didn't come out as both.

oh...never mind
 
2013-11-07 02:39:19 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Marcus Aurelius: All it takes to be an atheist is to be willing to apply knowledge of history and logic to theological suppositiions.

It takes far more than that to be an atheist. You have to have a willingness to take responsibility for your part.


You mean it might be my fault that people died on my drunken bender, rather than God's will?
 
2013-11-07 03:09:55 PM
I spent my Freshman year at Georgian Court College, an all-girls Catholic school run by the Sisters of Mercy and even lived on campus.  I'm not Catholic (I'm Lutheran) but didn't see any sort of favoritism one way or another to any student regardless of faith.  If a student body president wound up being atheist there, I don't think anyone would have cared, either.
 
2013-11-07 03:50:13 PM
Bwahahahahaha, OH MY indeed.
 
2013-11-07 03:51:38 PM
Ok.  That's nice.  My trollmeter is reading a 0.0.  Person exists.  Person has a personal philosophy(that happens to be pragmatically accurate).
 
2013-11-07 03:51:51 PM
YESS!!!!

That was awesome.
 
2013-11-07 03:56:00 PM
I was gonna say "transgendered?"

/works with a TG Bible college alumni
 
2013-11-07 03:57:45 PM

brigid_fitch: all-girls Catholic school


tambahilmu.com
 
2013-11-07 03:57:46 PM

SphericalTime: He's kinda cute.  Too bad he didn't come out as both.


Gaytheist?

Reminds me of Julia Sweeney in "Letting Go of God" - when she came out as an atheist, her mom said "couldn't you have been a lesbian instead? That at least is socially acceptable!"
 
2013-11-07 03:58:18 PM
UNC_Samurai: It sounds like Northwest Christian University is significantly more tolerant than some religious schools.  At Liberty they'd have already put him on a bus out of town.

Yeah, I don't think a Baptist school would be as tolerant.
 
2013-11-07 03:58:28 PM
Seems from the article that nobody actually cares. Now try coming out as a conservative on a liberal campus and see what happens.
 
2013-11-07 03:58:42 PM

brigid_fitch: I spent my Freshman year at Georgian Court College, an all-girls Catholic school run by the Sisters of Mercy and even lived on campus.  I'm not Catholic (I'm Lutheran) but didn't see any sort of favoritism one way or another to any student regardless of faith.  If a student body president wound up being atheist there, I don't think anyone would have cared, either.


All-girl Catholic College? We need some photographic evidence to back up this claim.
 
2013-11-07 04:00:48 PM
It seems that everyone was being surprisingly reasonable from the article.
 
2013-11-07 04:01:05 PM

jjorsett: Seems from the article that nobody actually cares. Now try coming out as a conservative on a liberal campus and see what happens.


Well, first you host an "affirmative action bake sale" fueled by your own inferiority complex, then people call you a douchebag for being a douchebag.  Or you go to a few classes, learn a little more, and you get better.
 
2013-11-07 04:01:40 PM

hardinparamedic: You mean it might be my fault that people died on my drunken bender, rather than God's will?


What people dying on a drunken Bender might look like:
sharetv.org

(It's certainly not <strike>God's</strike> the Metal Lord's will.)
 
2013-11-07 04:01:43 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Darth_Lukecash: Marcus Aurelius: All it takes to be an atheist is to be willing to apply knowledge of history and logic to theological suppositiions.

It takes far more than that to be an atheist. You have to have a willingness to take responsibility for your part.

My part is straight as an arrow.  I just took a shower and washed my hair.


Is your shirt precisely pressed and your name tag just perfect, elder?

I...I couldn't resist

/Listening to the soundtrack right now...
 
2013-11-07 04:02:33 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Marcus Aurelius: All it takes to be an atheist is to be willing to apply knowledge of history and logic to theological suppositiions.

It takes far more less than that to be an atheist. You have to have a willingness to take responsibility for your part do nothing.


ftfy
 
2013-11-07 04:02:41 PM
And therefore???
 
2013-11-07 04:02:57 PM
when i heard that an average atheist has a higher I.Q. i knew that it was started by them so...
if the rumor is started that the average atheist is GAY lets see if that takes off.
 
2013-11-07 04:03:35 PM
We're talking about a student body president.  He likes to suck Dean balls and network and build a resume' where there's apathy.  He's a 21 year old kid who chose a school because it had a good communications program?  There are probably 100 more reputable communications schools.  He chose the Christian school and now this?  He's just another attention whore.  Lick it up, Farkers.  He did this for you.
 
2013-11-07 04:03:51 PM
He should just tell them atheism is a religion.
 
2013-11-07 04:04:18 PM

brigid_fitch: I spent my Freshman year at Georgian Court College, an all-girls Catholic school run by the Sisters of Mercy...


Wow.  Great dance music AND they ran a college?  That Andrew Eldritch sure gets around!

cdn.buzznet.com
 
2013-11-07 04:04:42 PM

jjorsett: Seems from the article that nobody actually cares. Now try coming out as a conservative on a liberal campus and see what happens.


img.fark.net
 
2013-11-07 04:05:50 PM

Marcus Aurelius: All it takes to be an atheist is to be willing to apply knowledge of history and logic to theological suppositiions.


Eh, if Christians spent as much time studying their own holy book as they do decrying others' holy books (see the Quran), they'd be atheists too.

/"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
 
2013-11-07 04:05:58 PM

SphericalTime: He's kinda cute.  Too bad he didn't come out as both.


Gaytheist
 
2013-11-07 04:06:09 PM

Marcus Aurelius: All it takes to be an atheist is to be willing to apply knowledge of history and logic to theological suppositiions.


And apparently being shunned for just asking questions.

//Hometown makes the news again.
 
2013-11-07 04:07:40 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: And therefore???


A WITCH! BURN 'IM!
 
2013-11-07 04:08:04 PM

HailRobonia: SphericalTime: He's kinda cute.  Too bad he didn't come out as both.

Gaytheist?

Reminds me of Julia Sweeney in "Letting Go of God" - when she came out as an atheist, her mom said "couldn't you have been a lesbian instead? That at least is socially acceptable!"


Dammit so much
 
2013-11-07 04:09:04 PM
Wouldn't it suck to be a student at a Baptist seminary and find out that you were an incarnation of Buddha?
 
2013-11-07 04:09:13 PM

Nana's Vibrator: We're talking about a student body president.  He likes to suck Dean balls and network and build a resume' where there's apathy.  He's a 21 year old kid who chose a school because it had a good communications program?  There are probably 100 more reputable communications schools.  He chose the Christian school and now this?  He's just another attention whore.  Lick it up, Farkers.  He did this for you.


No, he probably did it for his parents, and couldn't do it any more.

I came out as "not a musician" a few years ago. It's funny - my dad still asks me if I "got any gigs lately."

Still haven't told him I'm an atheist. I kinda think he knows, though. It would kill my grandmother if she found out.
 
2013-11-07 04:10:11 PM

Nana's Vibrator: We're talking about a student body president.  He likes to suck Dean balls and network and build a resume' where there's apathy.  He's a 21 year old kid who chose a school because it had a good communications program?  There are probably 100 more reputable communications schools.  He chose the Christian school and now this?  He's just another attention whore.  Lick it up, Farkers.  He did this for you.


Maybe they gave him a full ride? A lot more goes into choosing higher education than just rank of programs. It could have been the highest ranked one that he could afford.

But yeah, agree with you on the attention whore part.
 
2013-11-07 04:10:32 PM

pute kisses like a man: Darth_Lukecash: Marcus Aurelius: All it takes to be an atheist is to be willing to apply knowledge of history and logic to theological suppositiions.

It takes far moreless than that to be an atheist. You have to have a willingness to take responsibility for your part do nothing.

ftfy


I have to disagree with that. Most Americans (heck, most people) are raised in a religion. I was, and I was even devout for a couple/three years. It took me years of introspection to admit that my worldview didn't mesh with my church's worldview (Methodist, if you're wondering). I spent the next 5 or so years saying, "I'm spiritual, not religious." I went through a pagan phase. Finally I came to terms with my atheism. It took me several more years to out myself to my family and friends; keep in mind that I had been very religious and made numerous religious friends. So, for most atheists, it's not that we do nothing. It's that we spend years and years (in my case, decades) unbrainwashing ourselves and learning that it's okay to not be Christian, to learn that just because we didn't believe in a divine power that didn't mean we didn't have morals. It is a long, hard process. I'm still told by certain family members that Satan has blinded me. And I laugh and laugh while simultaneously crying because those same people think the world is 6000 years old and that Harry Potter is evil.
 
2013-11-07 04:13:58 PM

Marcus Aurelius: All it takes to be an atheist is to be willing to apply knowledge of history and logic to theological suppositiions.


Yup, it is the easy way around religion.
 
2013-11-07 04:14:09 PM

IlGreven: /"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."


"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

Thank you, I have found a pearl of wisdom in the internet today.
 
2013-11-07 04:14:55 PM

gregory311: brigid_fitch: I spent my Freshman year at Georgian Court College, an all-girls Catholic school run by the Sisters of Mercy...

Wow.  Great dance music AND they ran a college?  That Andrew Eldritch sure gets around!

[cdn.buzznet.com image 500x708]


I got nothing to say I ain't said before.
 
2013-11-07 04:16:16 PM
well it looks like he received an outstanding education then, doesn't it?

//if you can make it through high school and college still believing in fairy tales... then you are avoiding asking the obvious questions.... and answering them honestly.
 
2013-11-07 04:18:47 PM
Atheism is a major.
 
2013-11-07 04:24:06 PM

UNC_Samurai: It sounds like Northwest Christian University is significantly more tolerant than some religious schools.  At Liberty they'd have already put him on a bus out of town.

/oooh, turns out NCU is historically affiliated with the Disciples of Christ, that explains a bit
//DoC is about as vanilla and inoffensive as Great Awakening Protestantism gets - it's like Lutheranism without the 2-hour program on NPR.


Well, it is Eugene OR, the San Francisco of the Pacific NW.
 
2013-11-07 04:24:29 PM

jjorsett: Seems from the article that nobody actually cares. Now try coming out as a conservative on a liberal campus and see what happens


drumsongstory.com
 
2013-11-07 04:24:55 PM
Why is this even a story?  The rules of the university state they don't give a shiat.

If the rules upon starting one's matriculation state they give a shiat, then don't be surprised if one is kicked out.

/Some people look for victories where there aren't any.
 
2013-11-07 04:29:03 PM

Mike Chewbacca: pute kisses like a man: Darth_Lukecash: Marcus Aurelius: All it takes to be an atheist is to be willing to apply knowledge of history and logic to theological suppositiions.

It takes far moreless than that to be an atheist. You have to have a willingness to take responsibility for your part do nothing.

ftfy

I have to disagree with that. Most Americans (heck, most people) are raised in a religion. I was, and I was even devout for a couple/three years. It took me years of introspection to admit that my worldview didn't mesh with my church's worldview (Methodist, if you're wondering). I spent the next 5 or so years saying, "I'm spiritual, not religious." I went through a pagan phase. Finally I came to terms with my atheism. It took me several more years to out myself to my family and friends; keep in mind that I had been very religious and made numerous religious friends. So, for most atheists, it's not that we do nothing. It's that we spend years and years (in my case, decades) unbrainwashing ourselves and learning that it's okay to not be Christian, to learn that just because we didn't believe in a divine power that didn't mean we didn't have morals. It is a long, hard process. I'm still told by certain family members that Satan has blinded me. And I laugh and laugh while simultaneously crying because those same people think the world is 6000 years old and that Harry Potter is evil.


well, what you're looking for is a lot more than atheism.  you want to create a moral structure ex nihilo.  you want to find acceptance with people who believe differently than you (and who believe there's something wrong with you for not being like them).  you want to disprove the beliefs of those who came before.  that's a whole other level of engagement.  you want acceptance with the unaccepting.  and the undoing of a brainwashing.

atheism just means you don't believe in god.  it can be instant.  just like belief.   belief is entirely malleable... i think that's what makes it so damned interesting.  i became a christian one day because I decided to.  took about 1 minute.  no thought really.  just a decision.  a compelled decision by a moment of grace which may be difficult to describe, perhaps best described by the extremely cheesy, just let X deity into your heart.  but, prior to that moment, i wasn't particularly searching for anything, nor did i want to join anyone's club, or really have any beliefs (or the opposite, i had very strong beliefs that i held dear and shared with no one, because I spend my whole life on them, damned if i'll give you my life's work for nothing).  i just read a bunch of philosophy and, at that moment, christianity seemed like an interesting experiment.

so, i guess what I've recognized is that it does not matter whatsoever what you believe in.  your method of 'believing' is probably shaped by your childhood and the emotions, memories, and associations created therein.  adamant proselytizing christian families create adamant proselytizing atheist children (or they just create replicas of themselves).  logical but aloof atheist families create logical but aloof christian children.

/ of course this is all generalizing rubbish, and better recognized as musing, not positing. i don't know you or anyone else, doubtful i even know myself.
 
2013-11-07 04:29:52 PM

HailRobonia: SphericalTime: He's kinda cute.  Too bad he didn't come out as both.

Gaytheist?

Reminds me of Julia Sweeney in "Letting Go of God" - when she came out as an atheist, her mom said "couldn't you have been a lesbian instead? That at least is socially acceptable!"


I never officially told my family I was an atheist because I thought it was just assumed. Recently, a family friend got married to an atheist. My mother came to me with a whole, "can you believe so and so is getting married to an atheist?" I was utterly taken aback by the amount of controversy this caused, and it was even worse in the family of the person getting married, his mother nearly disowned him. It was than, in my late 20's, that I realized 1:my family doesn't know I am an atheist and 2: how socially unacceptable it is to be an atheist.
 
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