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(Sportige)   Going over the list of the NBA's highest paid players this season, it's quite illuminating to see how most of the money is being spent on players that are either not playing or aren't too good at it anymore either   (sportige.com) divider line 22
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2013-11-07 11:51:33 AM  
Everyone on the Knicks is over paid.
 
2013-11-07 11:53:21 AM  
Yeah, NBA GMs are, as a group, the worst in pro sports.  It's a regular occurrence to see teams trying to trade for expiring contracts or giving up draft picks to give away a guy who has lived beyond his usefulness (player + 1st round pick for a 2nd round pick).  It's ridiculous.
 
2013-11-07 12:03:00 PM  
Missing from the list?  Anyone playing for the Indiana Pacers.  Whats their record again?
 
2013-11-07 12:03:48 PM  
That covers 98% of the NBA, subby
 
2013-11-07 12:21:18 PM  
I'm pretty sure the highest paid people at my company are old, past their prime, and don't do any work anymore. When they do attempt to look like experts, they are about 10 years behind on new technologies and have no idea what they're talking about.

So it goes.
 
2013-11-07 12:29:41 PM  
Well, considering the highest paid MLB player is probably ARod while Mike Trout is making just above league minimum...
 
2013-11-07 12:34:34 PM  

meanmutton: Yeah, NBA GMs are, as a group, the worst in pro sports.  It's a regular occurrence to see teams trying to trade for expiring contracts or giving up draft picks to give away a guy who has lived beyond his usefulness (player + 1st round pick for a 2nd round pick).  It's ridiculous.


You're not really seeing those kinds of deals in the wake of the new CBA. The rookie salary structure and the increased luxury taxes mean that draft picks (and the low priced talent you get with them) are now highly prized. There hasn't been a single #1 pick dealt so far this year, and there were no #1 picks traded all last year in the way you describe.

/Last year #1 picks were part of the deals for Nash, Howard, Harden, Kyle Lowry...and Doc Rivers.
//The one slightly different deal was Cleveland trading away players and a #1 pick to Memphis for Jon Leuer in a straight salary dump by Memphis to avoid the luxury tax.
 
2013-11-07 12:41:48 PM  

bulldg4life: Well, considering the highest paid MLB player is probably ARod while Mike Trout is making just above league minimum...


It's gonna suck to see Mike Trout in a Dodger, Yankee or Red Sox uniform in the near future. At least he'll be out of the AL West.
 
2013-11-07 12:43:47 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bulldg4life: Well, considering the highest paid MLB player is probably ARod while Mike Trout is making just above league minimum...

It's gonna suck to see Mike Trout in a Dodger, Yankee or Red Sox uniform in the near future. At least he'll be out of the AL West.


Pretty sure the angels have one of the sweetest TV contracts in baseball. Trout's not going anywhere
 
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2013-11-07 12:52:02 PM  
Does it matter? Ford will still buy commercials because people will still watch it.
 
2013-11-07 12:53:31 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bulldg4life: Well, considering the highest paid MLB player is probably ARod while Mike Trout is making just above league minimum...

It's gonna suck to see Mike Trout in a Dodger, Yankee or Red Sox uniform in the near future. At least he'll be out of the AL West.


That's on the Angels. They aren't Milwaulkee. They're a franchise in the 2nd largest metro area in the country and are valued the 9th most valuable franchise in MLB at $718 million. They just signed a $3 billion TV deal two years ago. They chose to offer Pujols the deal they did, and they chose to nickel and dime Trout when he wanted a raise after his sensational rookie year.
 
2013-11-07 01:08:32 PM  
Part of the problem is that there is a maximum contract. If there wasn't, money would get distributed more towards talent, but since teams can only pay their best players so much and they have a strict spending floor, that means a good number of players will be overpaid.
 
2013-11-07 01:50:30 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Part of the problem is that there is a maximum contract. If there wasn't, money would get distributed more towards talent, but since teams can only pay their best players so much and they have a strict spending floor, that means a good number of players will be overpaid.


Everyone in that top 10 is on max contracts thought.
 
2013-11-07 01:52:08 PM  

GQueue: Lost Thought 00: Part of the problem is that there is a maximum contract. If there wasn't, money would get distributed more towards talent, but since teams can only pay their best players so much and they have a strict spending floor, that means a good number of players will be overpaid.

Everyone in that top 10 is on max contracts thought.


Yes, but a good number of them wouldn't be if people like LeBron could be paid to their actual value within the salary cap
 
2013-11-07 02:55:27 PM  
Yes, pay is oftentimes a reward for years of successful service rather than based on a prediction of how well someone will play. Welcome to how it works damn near everywhere in the world.

You know what those players actually ALL have in common?

When they signed their contracts, they were considered among the best players in the league.
 
2013-11-07 03:48:07 PM  

IAmRight: Yes, pay is oftentimes a reward for years of successful service rather than based on a prediction of how well someone will play. Welcome to how it works damn near everywhere in the world.

You know what those players actually ALL have in common?

When they signed their contracts, they were considered among the best players in the league.


And now, you know the difference between Moneyball, and the rest of the world.
 
2013-11-07 04:08:59 PM  

IAmRight: Yes, pay is oftentimes a reward for years of successful service rather than based on a prediction of how well someone will play. Welcome to how it works damn near everywhere in the world.

You know what those players actually ALL have in common?

When they signed their contracts, they were considered among the best players in the league.


Except the Amare contract, which was murdered by everyone before the ink was dry.
 
2013-11-07 04:10:34 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: And now, you know the difference between Moneyball, and the rest of the world.


Moneyball is not a panacea. There are way more factors that go into whether you pay a guy than whether or not you're going to pay him a lot.

Cuban paid Dirk because he wants to show appreciation for him and to ensure he finishes his career as a Maverick. It's not Nowitzki's contract that prevents them from being competitive; it's the wasted money on mid-level guys who weren't even worth that. The trio in Miami just made stacks on stacks on stacks for their owner in increased franchise value, increased costs of sponsorships and advertising, and increased interest in the team. Kobe did similar in the past and overpaying him for a year is an accepted loss in the interest of maintaining the face of a franchise, a connection to their recent successes, and they'd like for him to retire a Laker as well.

The Nets' owner promised a title so he's burning money trying to get there. He doesn't really give a flying f*ck about overpaying because this is really just a dick-waving contest for him. $22 million is pocket change.

Houston wants to get back into the championship mix and invigorate a fanbase that could easily be one of the larger ones. They think D-Ho will get them there. (I personally disagree and think he's a b*tch, but hey, "franchise centers" aren't often available).

Pau Gasol agreed to his extension between back-to-back championships. He's one of the most talented centers in the league; it's just that with Howard in LA last year they had too many people in the wrong places on the court.

/another thing these guys have in common? Many are in the final year of their contract - contracts are often structured this way because expiring contracts have value in the NBA, because they allow flexibility for the team acquiring the player.
//except Joe Johnson...but really, that just shows that the Hawks were nuts
///well, and the Miami triumvirate, but they already produced what the ownership wanted
 
2013-11-07 04:12:13 PM  

regindyn: Except the Amare contract, which was murdered by everyone before the ink was dry.


I think I intentionally blacked him out from my mind.

/Suns should've traded him back when they could get good value for him
//instead they traded Marion, claiming they needed "defense and rebounding"...except Marion was their best defender and led the team in rebounding...as a SF
 
2013-11-07 06:49:35 PM  
I count seven guys who are playing good basketball.  There may be eight by the end of the season, but no one knows if Kobe is going to still be dominant when he gets back.  Wade, Dirk, and Pau are arguably past their prime, but they're still very effective.  A lot of the time it's not the maximum salary contracts that kill NBA salary caps, it's the guys who get paid ~$8-$12M/year and don't improve their teams proportionally to their salary.  I'm talking guys like Gerald Wallace, Andres Biedrins, Ben Gordon, etc...

Also, if this article wanted to make a point of NBA teams handing out ridiculously stupid contracts, they probably should have at least mentioned the top 10 ACTUAL salaries, and not just guys who are currently active players.  Gilbert Arenas is technically earning the third highest salary even though he hasn't played in the NBA in over a year.

Anyway, as someone mentioned earlier, the Amar'e and Joe Johnson contracts were totally insane when they were signed.  That's not even considering how bad those deals look now.
 
2013-11-07 07:36:28 PM  

logggur: Anyway, as someone mentioned earlier, the Amar'e and Joe Johnson contracts were totally insane when they were signed.  That's not even considering how bad those deals look now.


Amar'e's was defensible if you just went from the "we really really think he's the guy from the 2005 playoffs and that when he's healthy he's going to look like that guy again" point of view.

Of course, that's a really, really tough position to defend...but it's something.

Joe Johnson's "Hey, you're the fourth or fifth best player on the Suns! MAX CONTRACT!" is a bit more ridiculous. Then they kinda doubled down on the "Hey, we paid you way more than you're worth...maybe you'll prove you were worth that IF WE PAY YOU MORE!" Pretty funny.
 
2013-11-08 08:02:41 AM  

IAmRight: logggur: Anyway, as someone mentioned earlier, the Amar'e and Joe Johnson contracts were totally insane when they were signed.  That's not even considering how bad those deals look now.

Amar'e's was defensible if you just went from the "we really really think he's the guy from the 2005 playoffs and that when he's healthy he's going to look like that guy again" point of view.

Of course, that's a really, really tough position to defend...but it's something.


The Amar'e signing was about LeBron.

It was obviously a huge risk - the Knicks couldn't even get insurance for him - but I understand the thinking. LeBron was still in play, and the Knicks had cap space for two superstars. They signed Amar'e so they could go to LeBron and make the pitch that he wouldn't be all by himself if he signed with NY. It didn't work, and was almost certainly a bad idea, but they felt they needed to role the dice in an effort to land the best player in the league.

/And yeah, the Johnson signing was nuts.
 
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