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(The New York Times)   The FDA is suddenly not so sure that taking vegetable oil and making it solid through a complicated chemical process involving hydrogen gas makes the resulting product "generally recognized as safe"   (nytimes.com) divider line 82
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2013-11-07 02:36:45 PM  

Enigmamf: meat0918: HotWingConspiracy: The Institute of Medicine has concluded that there is no safe level for consumption of artificial trans fats.

That's a bit scary, how long has the industry been putting it in to food?

Started in earnest in the early 50's but really ramped up in the 60's onward

That's a pretty crappy graph. Nobody with a shred of intellectual honesty would mess with the time scale the way that chart does -  who made that?

[media.mercola.com image 850x503]

Oh. I am not surprised.


You know, I try to stay on top of altmed in order to avoid it, and somehow, I've never really heard of Mercola.  I somehow confused him with Merck or a subsidary of Merck.
 
2013-11-07 02:42:10 PM  
Real butter always has superior flavour.
 
2013-11-07 02:43:51 PM  
How many people still think the FDA has your best interest at heart?  It's the same with meds.  Think of how many meds are approved and then a few years later learned they cause horrible crap.
 
2013-11-07 03:01:38 PM  
reductive:
Where did you learn this? Because it's completely wrong. Please just stop.

I learned it from all of the places that rightfully point out that the most common transfat is - polyunsaturated transfat. Which is, by the way, a fat. And polyunsaturated. In case you missed it.

There are monounsaturated transfats, but they're not associated with the health issues of polyunsaturated fats, not to mention nowhere near as common.

There are also polyunsaturated fats that aren't transfats, but they're harder to find, and aren't usually referred to as such (people call them things like "Omega-3 fatty acids"). If you see something with high amounts of polyunsaturated fats on the label, they're pretty much transfats.
 
2013-11-07 03:02:20 PM  

enry: Lolpwnt: kortex: "Involving hydrogen gas."  You sound like an idiot, submitter.  Catalytic hydrogenation of vegetable oil is not an unsafe practice by any means.  Trans fats are bad for people and probably should banned, but your headline is nonsensical.  Did you know that you can liberate hydrogen gas from water?  OMFGWTFBBQ!!  STOP THE WORLD!!  Call the internet police!!

BUT THERE'S CHEMICALS INVOLVED!

f0mg!

Like that killer dihydrogen monoxide.  Or Sodium Chloride.


Like totally, you can die from drinking dihydrogen monodixde.  Zomg.
 
2013-11-07 03:23:10 PM  

uncoveror: Monounsaturated fat, polyunsaturated fat and saturated fat exist in nature. Trans fat is a Frankenstein. It should not have taken this long for the FDA to figure out that it is bad.


The much maligned Robert Atkins warned about the dangers of trans fats in his first low carb book in 1972.
 
2013-11-07 03:24:42 PM  

BiffDangler: Good, the shiat is terrible for you but is almost impossible to avoid.


Avoid processed foods as much as possible. Make your own meals from fresh fruit, veges and meat.
 
2013-11-07 03:27:07 PM  

Klippoklondike: Trans Fats police

[imageshack.us image 180x292]


Fat Tranny Police?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-07 03:45:22 PM  

kg2095: BiffDangler: Good, the shiat is terrible for you but is almost impossible to avoid.

Avoid processed foods as much as possible. Make your own meals from fresh fruit, veges and meat.


The easy rule is to just avoid the aisles of the grocery store.  All of the fresh stuff is on the periphery.
 
2013-11-07 03:58:55 PM  

Magorn: meat0918: HotWingConspiracy: The Institute of Medicine has concluded that there is no safe level for consumption of artificial trans fats.

That's a bit scary, how long has the industry been putting it in to food?

Started in earnest in the early 50's but really ramped up in the 60's onward

[media.mercola.com image 850x503]

Which might explain why it ain;t just humans but even lab rats and mice on strictly calorically controlled diets who have been getting bigger at alarming rates


You cannot gain fat if you are consuming less calories than you burn. It is impossible. It violates the laws of thermodynamics.

And that graphic is from (former) Dr. Joseph Mercola, who is a quack (to put it nicely). He got the shiat sued out of him and lost his MD status after claiming his supplements cured cancer, when in reality, they did nothing. He pushes quackery like anti-vaccines and homeopathy. And he is worth millions for doing so. And if you look at the intervals, that graph is laughably bad. Especially when it shows 32.5 as higher than 33.8 in 2005-2008
 
2013-11-07 04:28:13 PM  
FTFA:

"The move concluded three decades of battles by public health advocates against artificial trans fats,"

That is a bald-faced f*cking lie. Products containing trans fats were touted as being far safer and heart-healthier than their cholesterol-laden animal counterparts for my entire life, up until about 2005.
 
2013-11-07 04:30:31 PM  

machoprogrammer: Magorn: meat0918: HotWingConspiracy: The Institute of Medicine has concluded that there is no safe level for consumption of artificial trans fats.

That's a bit scary, how long has the industry been putting it in to food?

Started in earnest in the early 50's but really ramped up in the 60's onward

[media.mercola.com image 850x503]

Which might explain why it ain;t just humans but even lab rats and mice on strictly calorically controlled diets who have been getting bigger at alarming rates

You cannot gain fat if you are consuming less calories than you burn. It is impossible. It violates the laws of thermodynamics.

And that graphic is from (former) Dr. Joseph Mercola, who is a quack (to put it nicely). He got the shiat sued out of him and lost his MD status after claiming his supplements cured cancer, when in reality, they did nothing. He pushes quackery like anti-vaccines and homeopathy. And he is worth millions for doing so. And if you look at the intervals, that graph is laughably bad. Especially when it shows 32.5 as higher than 33.8 in 2005-2008


Listen to me because I am going to say this only once nicely.  Anyone who uses the words "thermodynamics" in a nutrition thread may as well paint a 50 foot tall sign that says " I have no farking clue what I'm talking about but that won;t stop me from being smug about my opinions"

Here's a clue sunshine.   The "calories" contained in the food you consume have NO RELATION to energy you can derive by consuming them, and the calories you consume have NO direct relation to how much body fat you put on based on your calroie consumption.  PERIOD.

You think otherwise?  Fine.  Here's a bale of hay.  It has thousands of "calories".  Go eat it as your sole food source for a month and tell me how that works out for you.

The fact is, give me twenty minutes and a strong source of ionizing radiation, or a week to put you on an anti-biotic cocktail. and I could make it so you would literally starve to death even with unlimited access to an all-you can eat Vegas buffet.

You are not a complete organism in and of yourself, you are a farking symbiont, and the nature and strain of the bacteria that live in your gut is hugely important to how efficently or not you can make use of the calories you consume.   There have been groundbreaking studies done in Africa showing that two kids born at the same time in the same village getting almost the exact same amount and type of food (one study followed twins) can have very different outcomes when it comes to showing signs of malnourishment or starvation.

and even after consudering the role of gut bacteria, your own endocrinology plays a crucial role, especially in fat storage.  When I keep my carbohydrate intake under 40 a day, my body burns fat, irrepsective of how many calories I consume. The "fat-making" switch in your body is insulin-controlled.   reduce your insulin levels and it turns off.   Excess dietary fat simply "passes through" unused and unprocessed which proten is taken for muscle building and energy.
 
2013-11-07 04:37:12 PM  
while trans fats do exist naturally in food, as some above have pointed out, they have always existed naturally.  It's only since the manufactured frankenfood version of them (and high fructose corn syrup as well) have been in the food supply that you see obesity and negative health effects rise exponentially.

From the AMA website:

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/FatsAndOils/Fats101/Tra ns -Fats_UCM_301120_Article.jsp

Small amounts of trans fats occur naturally in some meat and dairy products, including beef, lamb and butterfat.  It isn't clear; though, whether these naturally occurring trans fats have the same bad effects on cholesterol levels as trans fats that have been industrially manufactured.


Just sayin'  the naturally occuring trans fats cannot possibly be as damaging as the manufactured versions. I've also read where trans fats in your system actually BLOCK good fats, like olive oil, etc from being processed in the body.   I am personally fine with the gov't outlawing them.

PHOs and HFCS are just more ways that "food" companies make their "food" cheaper to produce, and have longer shelf lives.  They simply never cared if the "food" has negative health effects, as taking action on that would have hit their bottom lines.  Anyway, big pharma was probably subsidising them so that they would have plenty of customers for their anti cholesterol drugs, and all the other crap that they beta test on us, i.e. put on the market.

Here's another fun fact for you...  The FDA doesn't do a whole lot of their own testing on drugs and food products, or anything else that they "regulate".  They accept, without further scrutiny, reports from manufacturers on the safety of their products.  Or reports from entities hired by the manufacturers.

Let those who have a problem with this want them stock up on crisco and country crock now, and succumb to natural selection.
 
2013-11-07 04:52:02 PM  

StainedGlassRuby: Let those who have a problem with this want them stock up on crisco and country crock now, and succumb to natural selection.


www.countrycrock.com
www.countrycrock.com

Country Crock has 0 trans fat...

/Crisco claims to have 0 as well...
 
2013-11-07 04:53:40 PM  
Old wisdom:  Lard is bad for you, use vegetable shortening.  Vegetables are healthy.

New wisdom:  fark.  We dumb.  Everyone go back to lard.

I look forward to lard cookies and tallow fries.  Healthy and delicious.
 
2013-11-07 05:16:47 PM  

machoprogrammer: uncoveror: Monounsaturated fat, polyunsaturated fat and saturated fat exist in nature. Trans fat is a Frankenstein. It should not have taken this long for the FDA to figure out that it is bad.

While trans fats are bad, they are found naturally in red meats as well.


cirby: uncoveror:
Monounsaturated fat, polyunsaturated fat and saturated fat exist in nature. Trans fat is a Frankenstein.

...which also exists in nature, in things like cow milk. Yes, the same chemical. Just not at higher concentrations.

Butter - yes, good old wholesome butter - contains three to four percent transfats naturally.

Of course, the current panic over transfats in things like margarine seems to be glossing over the history of the stuff. It was first pushed to help make butter replacements that were cheaper and longer-lasting in storage, but it didn't sell that well. During the early fat panics of the late 1950s through 1970s, the government and the medical establishment latched onto "low fat" margarines and shortenings as butter substitutes. The American Heart Association, for example, was telling people to avoid saturated fats (butter) and to use unsaturated fats (transfats) in their 1968 guidelines.


All transfats are not bad
 
2013-11-07 05:26:36 PM  

RobSeace: StainedGlassRuby: Let those who have a problem with this want them stock up on crisco and country crock now, and succumb to natural selection.

[www.countrycrock.com image 300x300]
[www.countrycrock.com image 300x300]

Country Crock has 0 trans fat...

/Crisco claims to have 0 as well...



Anything that contains fully or partially hydrogenated anything oil contains trans fat, whether the label has you duped to believe in the per serving BS.

Note that country crock doesn't even list the ingredients on their website, just the nutritional info, so they are purposefully attempting to block you from being informed.

christinesstainedglass.com


christinesstainedglass.com
 
2013-11-07 05:43:29 PM  

StainedGlassRuby: RobSeace: StainedGlassRuby: Let those who have a problem with this want them stock up on crisco and country crock now, and succumb to natural selection.

[www.countrycrock.com image 300x300]
[www.countrycrock.com image 300x300]

Country Crock has 0 trans fat...

/Crisco claims to have 0 as well...


Anything that contains fully or partially hydrogenated anything oil contains trans fat, whether the label has you duped to believe in the per serving BS.

Note that country crock doesn't even list the ingredients on their website, just the nutritional info, so they are purposefully attempting to block you from being informed.

[christinesstainedglass.com image 769x720]


[christinesstainedglass.com image 850x788]


I'm not defending Crisco cause that stuff is nasty, but they did reformulate it so it has less than .5 grams of transfat per serving, which the FDA allows them to call Transfat free.

It is BS they allow that, but they did change how they make it.
 
2013-11-07 05:49:45 PM  
Next: salt
 
2013-11-07 05:51:39 PM  

StainedGlassRuby: Anything that contains fully or partially hydrogenated anything oil contains trans fat, whether the label has you duped to believe in the per serving BS.

Note that country crock doesn't even list the ingredients on their website, just the nutritional info, so they are purposefully attempting to block you from being informed.


Note that picture is an ancient version of Country Crock without the label that clearly says "no hydrogenated oils"... So, yeah, perhaps they used to have it, but they certainly don't any more, and haven't for a while...

And, by not listing it on a web site, they're not exactly trying to "block you from being informed"... The list the damn ingredients on the actual packages... I happen to have a package of the "vitamin D + calcium" blend right here; it does not list hydrogenated anything...

/Crisco, on the other hand, you may be right about...
 
2013-11-07 06:08:09 PM  

meat0918: I'm not defending Crisco cause that stuff is nasty, but they did reformulate it so it has less than .5 grams of transfat per serving, which the FDA allows them to call Transfat free.

It is BS they allow that, but they did change how they make it.


i was just reading up on this - again - did a bunch of research about 10 years ago on the PHO and HFCS issues, and had read up on crisco's history within the last year or so, had to go refresh my memory on crisco today - the "funny" thing about that is there is a contingent who is mad about the reformulation, because their pie crust doesn't come out right anymore.  "please let me continue to poison my loved ones, will ya?"

Almost all frozen food and processed food has one, the other or both.  Even stuff you wouldn't expect, like tomato paste and bread.  The store brands are usually better for this kind of thing.  It's kinda sad, because even fresh food has issues now, since everything is genetically engineered or irradiated or something.  Read up on starlink corn.  Can't stop the birds and the bees from cross pollinating.  And the stuff they fark up too much (again, starlink corn) they feed to livestock.

And of course we all know they don't have to tell us about genetically modified food.   I don't want laboratory grown hamburgers with franch dressing...

Sigh.   This is why we'll go out, not with a bang, but a whimper.

(however, I do not believe that the bees are disappearing, I think they're all hiding in abandoned house walls and cars :)
 
2013-11-07 06:15:10 PM  

RobSeace: StainedGlassRuby: Anything that contains fully or partially hydrogenated anything oil contains trans fat, whether the label has you duped to believe in the per serving BS.

Note that country crock doesn't even list the ingredients on their website, just the nutritional info, so they are purposefully attempting to block you from being informed.

Note that picture is an ancient version of Country Crock without the label that clearly says "no hydrogenated oils"... So, yeah, perhaps they used to have it, but they certainly don't any more, and haven't for a while...

And, by not listing it on a web site, they're not exactly trying to "block you from being informed"... The list the damn ingredients on the actual packages... I happen to have a package of the "vitamin D + calcium" blend right here; it does not list hydrogenated anything...

/Crisco, on the other hand, you may be right about...


I concede on the country crock :)  Although I do think leaving the ingredients off the site is not total transparency.  And the truth is that the original formulation of all margarine is hydrogenated oil  I've always been a butter person.  I've tried different margarine over the years and it just tastes like plastic to me.  Nuthin' like real butter on baked taters or toast!   I want my arteries clogged with genuine animal fat.

Dang I want a sweet potato smothered in butter and brown sugar now.
 
2013-11-07 06:23:04 PM  

StainedGlassRuby: I've always been a butter person. I've tried different margarine over the years and it just tastes like plastic to me. Nuthin' like real butter on baked taters or toast! I want my arteries clogged with genuine animal fat.


Oh, I won't dispute that... I just continue to use it mainly out of habit and because it's a hell of a lot easier to spread than real butter... (I grew up poor, so butter was a bit of a luxury, so I developed a taste for crappy margarine...)
 
2013-11-07 06:32:27 PM  

bluefoxicy: Old wisdom:  Lard is bad for you, use vegetable shortening.  Vegetables are healthy.

New wisdom:  fark.  We dumb.  Everyone go back to lard.

I look forward to lard cookies and tallow fries.  Healthy and delicious.


When my parents went all hippy in the late 70's we raised and butchered our own pigs. Popcorn cooked in that lard tasted like bacon. No idea if that works with store-bought lard.
 
2013-11-07 07:19:34 PM  

StainedGlassRuby: meat0918: I'm not defending Crisco cause that stuff is nasty, but they did reformulate it so it has less than .5 grams of transfat per serving, which the FDA allows them to call Transfat free.

It is BS they allow that, but they did change how they make it.

i was just reading up on this - again - did a bunch of research about 10 years ago on the PHO and HFCS issues, and had read up on crisco's history within the last year or so, had to go refresh my memory on crisco today - the "funny" thing about that is there is a contingent who is mad about the reformulation, because their pie crust doesn't come out right anymore.  "please let me continue to poison my loved ones, will ya?"

Almost all frozen food and processed food has one, the other or both.  Even stuff you wouldn't expect, like tomato paste and bread.  The store brands are usually better for this kind of thing.  It's kinda sad, because even fresh food has issues now, since everything is genetically engineered or irradiated or something.  Read up on starlink corn.  Can't stop the birds and the bees from cross pollinating.  And the stuff they fark up too much (again, starlink corn) they feed to livestock.

And of course we all know they don't have to tell us about genetically modified food.   I don't want laboratory grown hamburgers with franch dressing...

Sigh.   This is why we'll go out, not with a bang, but a whimper.

(however, I do not believe that the bees are disappearing, I think they're all hiding in abandoned house walls and cars :)


I use lard for pie crusts.  Crisco crusts never taste right.

Food is a hobby of mine.  My wife and I have a very large garden and grow everything using organic biointensive/permaculture methods (minus the woo injected into the methods).  I'd get the gmo sweet corn for shiats and giggles, but I have a lot of flowers planted to attract butterflies and other beneficial insects, and worry the incidental exposure to the BT corn pollen would kill them, even though "Bt expression in pollen is low, and laboratory and field studies show no acute toxic effects at any pollen density that would be encountered in the field". I'd rather not kill the swallowtails or painted ladies or Fender's Blue butterfly.(The cabbage white can DIAF though.)

Starlink corn is interesting, but the initial research was inconclusive on whether or not people actually had an allergic reaction to that protein, and a quick search on Google Scholar has shown much the same.  They keep trying to see if there is a link (because science is stubborn like that).  I wasn't aware that the tests they use don't always show someone is allergic to something, but apparently given the nature of testing for allergens, it's difficult to show conclusively.   I learn something new everyday.

Also, corn isn't pollinated by animals, but wind and rain. And here is the Ohio State University's recommendations on corn segregation to minimize contamination.

Irradiation of food isn't bad for you either.  It's not like the food becomes radioactive.

And Colony Collapse Disorder is very real.
 
2013-11-07 07:29:23 PM  

meat0918: StainedGlassRuby: meat0918: I'm not defending Crisco cause that stuff is nasty, but they did reformulate it so it has less than .5 grams of transfat per serving, which the FDA allows them to call Transfat free.

It is BS they allow that, but they did change how they make it.

i was just reading up on this - again - did a bunch of research about 10 years ago on the PHO and HFCS issues, and had read up on crisco's history within the last year or so, had to go refresh my memory on crisco today - the "funny" thing about that is there is a contingent who is mad about the reformulation, because their pie crust doesn't come out right anymore.  "please let me continue to poison my loved ones, will ya?"

Almost all frozen food and processed food has one, the other or both.  Even stuff you wouldn't expect, like tomato paste and bread.  The store brands are usually better for this kind of thing.  It's kinda sad, because even fresh food has issues now, since everything is genetically engineered or irradiated or something.  Read up on starlink corn.  Can't stop the birds and the bees from cross pollinating.  And the stuff they fark up too much (again, starlink corn) they feed to livestock.

And of course we all know they don't have to tell us about genetically modified food.   I don't want laboratory grown hamburgers with franch dressing...

Sigh.   This is why we'll go out, not with a bang, but a whimper.

(however, I do not believe that the bees are disappearing, I think they're all hiding in abandoned house walls and cars :)

I use lard for pie crusts.  Crisco crusts never taste right.

Food is a hobby of mine.  My wife and I have a very large garden and grow everything using organic biointensive/permaculture methods (minus the woo injected into the methods).  I'd get the gmo sweet corn for shiats and giggles, but I have a lot of flowers planted to attract butterflies and other beneficial insects, and worry the incidental exposure to the BT corn pollen would kill them, even t ...


fark ate one of my links about monarchs and bt corn pollen

http://www.pnas.org/content/98/21/11937.full
 
2013-11-07 09:30:07 PM  
Except that it's perfectly safe.  That fact that consuming calories of it will make you fat is not unique to vegetable oil derivatives.

People will find a way to be fat.
 
2013-11-08 12:38:37 AM  

vudukungfu: Let's see what it does to an entire nation's female buttocks over a period of 30 years.


all4humor.com

We may need a tad more time than that ...
 
2013-11-08 11:58:23 AM  

meat0918: bucket_chemist: Enigmamf: While I approve of this conclusion about trans fats in particular, subbie's scare-mongering of food technology in general is incredibly ignorant.

This. I love it when people who know nothing about chemistry talk as if they have a PhD in chem.

\has PhD in chemistry

I almost went to college to become a chemist, but realized even though I loved chemisty, I didn't want to do it as a career.  Decided on chemical engineering for a time (the promise of a high paycheck drew me) then decided "fark being a glorified plumber", I'll write computer programs.


A programmer's wife sent him to the grocery store for a loaf of bread. She said "if they have eggs get a dozen". He came back with 12 loaves of bread.
 
2013-11-08 12:02:42 PM  
Since saturated animal fats are "much worse", how long until THEY are banned? I can see PETA jumping all over this.

You can have my t-bone when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
 
2013-11-08 12:55:40 PM  

meat0918: I didn't want to do it as a career. Decided on chemical engineering for a time (the promise of a high paycheck drew me) then decided "fark being a glorified plumber", I'll write computer programs.


So you picked the worst career in the world, which you can only enjoy if you're completely stupid and doing terrible work while experiencing some sort of psychotic episode that deludes you into believing you're doing good work?

Computer programming hides engineering problems.  Bad software gets massaged into a not-really-working state that looks like it works.  The code winds up even more atrocious.  Businesses are motivated to get product out the door; they don't have great motivation to actually implement code well.  You either stand around going, "Well I wrote Windows, and it's a farking huge achievement, so stop being so smug," or you stand around going, "Well I wrote Windows, and it looks impressive but it's really a huge hunk of shiat and it makes me scared to think cars and medical devices are run on computer software that's probably written just as bad but seems to work."

As a programmer, you get to work with management whose goals are diametrically opposed to goals of writing an actual quality product; they want a shippable product.  Other people tell you how to write your code, what language to use, what tools to use, and generally how to solve problems.  Sucks all the fun out of it and makes it a nightmare.  Businesses just don't understand technical debt.
 
2013-11-08 02:18:15 PM  

bluefoxicy: meat0918: I didn't want to do it as a career. Decided on chemical engineering for a time (the promise of a high paycheck drew me) then decided "fark being a glorified plumber", I'll write computer programs.

So you picked the worst career in the world, which you can only enjoy if you're completely stupid and doing terrible work while experiencing some sort of psychotic episode that deludes you into believing you're doing good work?

Computer programming hides engineering problems.  Bad software gets massaged into a not-really-working state that looks like it works.  The code winds up even more atrocious.  Businesses are motivated to get product out the door; they don't have great motivation to actually implement code well.  You either stand around going, "Well I wrote Windows, and it's a farking huge achievement, so stop being so smug," or you stand around going, "Well I wrote Windows, and it looks impressive but it's really a huge hunk of shiat and it makes me scared to think cars and medical devices are run on computer software that's probably written just as bad but seems to work."

As a programmer, you get to work with management whose goals are diametrically opposed to goals of writing an actual quality product; they want a shippable product.  Other people tell you how to write your code, what language to use, what tools to use, and generally how to solve problems.  Sucks all the fun out of it and makes it a nightmare.  Businesses just don't understand technical debt.


Well, 1) I get mistaken for a hardware guy and not a software guy for reasons unbeknownst to me, 2) if I fark up, people do actually get maimed or killed and I'll be held responsible, and 3) If we ship bad code out the door in a rush and #2 happens, we'd go out of business because our customers won't trust us to not kill their employees when they are using their heavy equipment.

I'm not denying the above happens, just saying that management here wants quality software, because we're a niche industry, and again, if we fark up, people get hurt or killed.

lycanth: A programmer's wife sent him to the grocery store for a loaf of bread. She said "if they have eggs get a dozen". He came back with 12 loaves of bread.


This specification is ambiguous.  Specifically, a dozen "what".
 
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