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(The New York Times)   The FDA is suddenly not so sure that taking vegetable oil and making it solid through a complicated chemical process involving hydrogen gas makes the resulting product "generally recognized as safe"   (nytimes.com) divider line 82
    More: Obvious, FDA, animal fats, vegetable oils, Michael Jacobson, good cholesterol, transfats, safe, bad cholesterol  
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2013-11-07 01:09:58 PM
Good, the shiat is terrible for you but is almost impossible to avoid.
 
2013-11-07 01:10:59 PM
Let's see what it does to an entire nation's female buttocks over a period of 30 years.
 
2013-11-07 01:11:33 PM
Nanny state comments in 3...2...1....
 
2013-11-07 01:12:36 PM
While I approve of this conclusion about trans fats in particular, subbie's scare-mongering of food technology in general is incredibly ignorant.
 
2013-11-07 01:14:32 PM
Great, there's the goddamn damned Government farting in my pantry.
 
2013-11-07 01:15:48 PM

DirkValentine: Great, there's the goddamn damned Government farting in my pantry.


First they came for the smokers...
 
2013-11-07 01:16:40 PM

Negligible: Nanny state comments in 3...2...1....


Oh oh, I'll try!  Uhh, I thought having government control over food and drugs was supposed to protect me!!
 
2013-11-07 01:18:17 PM
It ain't complicated.  I think they just blow hydrogen through heated oil with some nickel catalyst.
 
2013-11-07 01:19:22 PM
 
2013-11-07 01:19:55 PM
I'm gonna make my tasty trans-fats shaped like a pistol.  Ban that, muthafrkka!
 
2013-11-07 01:21:08 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-07 01:21:30 PM
Just as long as they don't come for my compressed meat loaf of ammoniated floor sweepings
 
2013-11-07 01:22:23 PM

NutWrench: Just as long as they don't come for my compressed meat loaf of ammoniated floor sweepings


Tell me more, please?
 
2013-11-07 01:23:29 PM
Monounsaturated fat, polyunsaturated fat and saturated fat exist in nature. Trans fat is a Frankenstein. It should not have taken this long for the FDA to figure out that it is bad.
 
2013-11-07 01:23:43 PM
FDA, tackling 50 year old health concerns since the 1800's.
 
2013-11-07 01:24:04 PM

Enigmamf: While I approve of this conclusion about trans fats in particular, subbie's scare-mongering of food technology in general is incredibly ignorant.


This. I love it when people who know nothing about chemistry talk as if they have a PhD in chem.

\has PhD in chemistry
 
2013-11-07 01:24:27 PM
Otherwise known as margarine.
 
2013-11-07 01:24:36 PM
Trans Fats police

imageshack.us
 
2013-11-07 01:24:38 PM

DirkValentine: NutWrench: Just as long as they don't come for my compressed meat loaf of ammoniated floor sweepings

Tell me more, please?


http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/01/fast-food-companies-abandon-am mo niated-beef/
 
2013-11-07 01:25:13 PM
Good, I don't have to read labels to avoid that crap any more.
 
2013-11-07 01:25:24 PM

BiffDangler: Good, the shiat is terrible for you but is almost impossible to avoid.


No, you just have to look carefully.   It's gross.
 
2013-11-07 01:25:51 PM
And aren't they moving from hydrogenated fats to interesterified fats anyways?
 
2013-11-07 01:27:35 PM

Enigmamf: While I approve of this conclusion about trans fats in particular, subbie's scare-mongering of food technology in general is incredibly ignorant.


Yes, I imagine we could do:

FDA is suddenly not so sure that the taking food and thermally damaging the cells membranes causing the creation of mostly unknown and unpredictable breakdown products makes the resulting product "generally recognised as safe".

i.e. they are thinking of declaring cooking dangerous
 
2013-11-07 01:28:22 PM
Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-11-07 01:28:47 PM

bucket_chemist: Enigmamf: While I approve of this conclusion about trans fats in particular, subbie's scare-mongering of food technology in general is incredibly ignorant.

This. I love it when people who know nothing about chemistry talk as if they have a PhD in chem.

\has PhD in chemistry


I almost went to college to become a chemist, but realized even though I loved chemisty, I didn't want to do it as a career.  Decided on chemical engineering for a time (the promise of a high paycheck drew me) then decided "fark being a glorified plumber", I'll write computer programs.
 
2013-11-07 01:28:54 PM
Somebody didnt get their bribe this month.
 
2013-11-07 01:29:59 PM
The Institute of Medicine has concluded that there is no safe level for consumption of artificial trans fats.

That's a bit scary, how long has the industry been putting it in to food?
 
2013-11-07 01:30:22 PM

xria: Enigmamf: While I approve of this conclusion about trans fats in particular, subbie's scare-mongering of food technology in general is incredibly ignorant.

Yes, I imagine we could do:

FDA is suddenly not so sure that the taking food and thermally damaging the cells membranes causing the creation of mostly unknown and unpredictable breakdown products makes the resulting product "generally recognised as safe".

i.e. they are thinking of declaring cooking dangerous


They did that years ago.
 
2013-11-07 01:31:15 PM

noitsnot: It ain't complicated.  I think they just blow hydrogen through heated oil with some nickel catalyst.


Pretty much.  Hydrogenation is sophomore level college chemistry.  A bit of unsaturated oil, a catalyst (palladium on carbon is often used), toss in a tiny bit of acid, and let the hydrogen flow.


This is only described as complicated by those trying to drive traffic with bullshiat headlines.
 
2013-11-07 01:31:53 PM

AngryDragon: DirkValentine: Great, there's the goddamn damned Government farting in my pantry.

First they came for the smokers...


Phew, for a second there I though I couldn't buy smokes anymore.
 
2013-11-07 01:33:00 PM

NutWrench: DirkValentine: NutWrench: Just as long as they don't come for my compressed meat loaf of ammoniated floor sweepings

Tell me more, please?

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/01/fast-food-companies-abandon-am mo niated-beef/


oh, for farks sake, i remember that now...i thought you were being silly.

Poe's Law in full effect.
 
2013-11-07 01:33:21 PM

HotWingConspiracy: The Institute of Medicine has concluded that there is no safe level for consumption of artificial trans fats.

That's a bit scary, how long has the industry been putting it in to food?


Started in earnest in the early 50's but really ramped up in the 60's onward

media.mercola.com
 
2013-11-07 01:33:21 PM

Lolpwnt: noitsnot: It ain't complicated.  I think they just blow hydrogen through heated oil with some nickel catalyst.

Pretty much.  Hydrogenation is sophomore level college chemistry.  A bit of unsaturated oil, a catalyst (palladium on carbon is often used), toss in a tiny bit of acid, and let the hydrogen flow.


This is only described as complicated by those trying to drive traffic with bullshiat headlines.


As long as I can still push oil through palladium on ceramic all is right with the world.

Long live the automobile!
 
2013-11-07 01:34:53 PM
Who forgot to pay their bribe?
 
2013-11-07 01:36:23 PM

meat0918: HotWingConspiracy: The Institute of Medicine has concluded that there is no safe level for consumption of artificial trans fats.

That's a bit scary, how long has the industry been putting it in to food?

Started in earnest in the early 50's but really ramped up in the 60's onward

[media.mercola.com image 850x503]


Ah, so I ate it for my entire life. Splendid.
 
2013-11-07 01:41:58 PM
uncoveror:
Monounsaturated fat, polyunsaturated fat and saturated fat exist in nature. Trans fat is a Frankenstein.

...which also exists in nature, in things like cow milk. Yes, the same chemical. Just not at higher concentrations.

Butter - yes, good old wholesome butter - contains three to four percent transfats naturally.

Of course, the current panic over transfats in things like margarine seems to be glossing over the history of the stuff. It was first pushed to help make butter replacements that were cheaper and longer-lasting in storage, but it didn't sell that well. During the early fat panics of the late 1950s through 1970s, the government and the medical establishment latched onto "low fat" margarines and shortenings as butter substitutes. The American Heart Association, for example, was telling people to avoid saturated fats (butter) and to use unsaturated fats (transfats) in their 1968 guidelines.
 
2013-11-07 01:42:29 PM

uncoveror: Monounsaturated fat, polyunsaturated fat and saturated fat exist in nature. Trans fat is a Frankenstein. It should not have taken this long for the FDA to figure out that it is bad.


While trans fats are bad, they are found naturally in red meats as well.
 
2013-11-07 01:44:05 PM

meat0918: HotWingConspiracy: The Institute of Medicine has concluded that there is no safe level for consumption of artificial trans fats.

That's a bit scary, how long has the industry been putting it in to food?

Started in earnest in the early 50's but really ramped up in the 60's onward

[media.mercola.com image 850x503]


Which might explain why it ain;t just humans but even lab rats and mice on strictly calorically controlled diets who have been getting bigger at alarming rates
 
2013-11-07 01:49:53 PM
HotWingConspiracy:
That's a bit scary, how long has the industry been putting it in to food?

meat0918:
Started in earnest in the early 50's but really ramped up in the 60's onward

Actually, started in earnest in about 1909, when they started selling Crisco in the US and England.

The big advantages were that Crisco didn't spoil as fast as lard, and was cheaper than butter.

It really ramped up in the 1960s - 70s when the health boffins wrongly decided that butter was bad for you.
By the way - we're using the "scary" term "transfat," when most people know it as "polyunsaturated fats."
 
2013-11-07 01:53:38 PM
Magorn:
Which might explain why it ain;t just humans but even lab rats and mice on strictly calorically controlled diets who have been getting bigger at alarming rates

You have to remember that during the same time they started really pushing unsaturated (AKA "trans") fats as a "healthy" alternative to prevent heart disease, they were also telling us that we should eat less meat of all kinds and eat more bread and other carbohydrates.

Which, it turns out, is exactly what you should do if you want to increase cholesterol levels, increase heart disease, and make people gain lots of weight. So now we get to watch a lot of folks quickly dismantle 40+ years of dietary information while pretending they never said it in the first place.
 
2013-11-07 01:56:42 PM
It isn't that hard to avoid trans fat for me. However, I love cooking and baking and I love butter (or shortening, applesauce, coconut oil) so I make most things from scratch.

Still, I've been waiting for this ban. Everyone has been waiting for this ban. McDonalds eliminated trans fat in 2006.

They believe this ban will prevent 7,000 deaths a year. If there was a carcinogen in makeup causing 50 deaths a year it would be banned. The FDA is going to start regulating dog food because tainted dog treats have killed 580 dogs (total).
 
2013-11-07 02:00:16 PM

meat0918: HotWingConspiracy: The Institute of Medicine has concluded that there is no safe level for consumption of artificial trans fats.

That's a bit scary, how long has the industry been putting it in to food?

Started in earnest in the early 50's but really ramped up in the 60's onward


That's a pretty crappy graph. Nobody with a shred of intellectual honesty would mess with the time scale the way that chart does -  who made that?

[media.mercola.com image 850x503]

Oh. I am not surprised.
 
2013-11-07 02:01:09 PM

spidermilk: It isn't that hard to avoid trans fat for me. However, I love cooking and baking and I love butter (or shortening, applesauce, coconut oil) so I make most things from scratch.

Still, I've been waiting for this ban. Everyone has been waiting for this ban. McDonalds eliminated trans fat in 2006.

They believe this ban will prevent 7,000 deaths a year. If there was a carcinogen in makeup causing 50 deaths a year it would be banned. The FDA is going to start regulating dog food because tainted dog treats have killed 580 dogs (total).


If that were true, they would have banned cigarettes, alcohol, and probably a few other things years ago.  No, there's just no bribes or tax monies in Trans Fats, it's as simple as that.
 
2013-11-07 02:05:06 PM

uncoveror: Monounsaturated fat, polyunsaturated fat and saturated fat exist in nature. Trans fat is a Frankenstein. It should not have taken this long for the FDA to figure out that it is bad.


Castor beans are natural but there is enough ricin in a handful of seeds to kill an adult.  Uranium exists in nature too.  YUM!
 
2013-11-07 02:05:33 PM

cirby: Magorn:
Which might explain why it ain;t just humans but even lab rats and mice on strictly calorically controlled diets who have been getting bigger at alarming rates

You have to remember that during the same time they started really pushing unsaturated (AKA "trans") fats as a "healthy" alternative to prevent heart disease, they were also telling us that we should eat less meat of all kinds and eat more bread and other carbohydrates.

Which, it turns out, is exactly what you should do if you want to increase cholesterol levels, increase heart disease, and make people gain lots of weight. So now we get to watch a lot of folks quickly dismantle 40+ years of dietary information while pretending they never said it in the first place.


Preaching to the Choir on that one.   Was massively Obese in my 20's despite working out every day and eating a low-fat diet.   Went low-carb instead just before I hit 30 and dropped 100lbs in 4 months. kept it off for more than a decade, even though I let people convince me low carb was unhealthy and went back to eating normally.   got a type II diagnosis for my toruble so I went back to the low carb eating, carved 50 more lbs off in 4 months, stabilized my blood sugars and have been on a single minimum does of 'beetus medicine every day mostly as a precaution.

"Nutritionists" piss me off.
 
2013-11-07 02:16:35 PM
"Involving hydrogen gas."  You sound like an idiot, submitter.  Catalytic hydrogenation of vegetable oil is not an unsafe practice by any means.  Trans fats are bad for people and probably should banned, but your headline is nonsensical.  Did you know that you can liberate hydrogen gas from water?  OMFGWTFBBQ!!  STOP THE WORLD!!  Call the internet police!!
 
2013-11-07 02:19:55 PM

cirby: By the way - we're using the "scary" term "transfat," when most people know it as "polyunsaturated fats."


Where did you learn this? Because it's completely wrong. Please just stop.
 
2013-11-07 02:20:56 PM
I've been saying for decades margarine sucks ass compared to butter.  It's nice to be proven right...again.

/guess the Oleo wars and the "crazy" butter people were crazy, eh?
//ate butter this morning on some toast
///America's Dairyland FTW!
 
2013-11-07 02:21:36 PM

kortex: "Involving hydrogen gas."  You sound like an idiot, submitter.  Catalytic hydrogenation of vegetable oil is not an unsafe practice by any means.  Trans fats are bad for people and probably should banned, but your headline is nonsensical.  Did you know that you can liberate hydrogen gas from water?  OMFGWTFBBQ!!  STOP THE WORLD!!  Call the internet police!!


BUT THERE'S CHEMICALS INVOLVED!

f0mg!
 
2013-11-07 02:30:26 PM

Lolpwnt: kortex: "Involving hydrogen gas."  You sound like an idiot, submitter.  Catalytic hydrogenation of vegetable oil is not an unsafe practice by any means.  Trans fats are bad for people and probably should banned, but your headline is nonsensical.  Did you know that you can liberate hydrogen gas from water?  OMFGWTFBBQ!!  STOP THE WORLD!!  Call the internet police!!

BUT THERE'S CHEMICALS INVOLVED!

f0mg!


Like that killer dihydrogen monoxide.  Or Sodium Chloride.
 
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