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(CBS New York)   You could save thousands of dollars on Obamacare simply by getting a divorce   (newyork.cbslocal.com) divider line 90
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2013-11-07 11:49:23 AM
If you had one of those substandard wives before the Affordable Wife Act became law, and you liked that wife, you will be able to keep her.
 
2013-11-07 11:57:41 AM

flucto: If you had one of those substandard wives before the Affordable Wife Act became law, and you liked that wife, you will be able to keep her.


This is one of those cases where government is working for the people.
 
2013-11-07 11:59:35 AM

I_C_Weener: This is one of those cases where government is working for the people.


It could be Cash For Clunkers 2
 
2013-11-07 12:00:32 PM
But then you'd have to pay for two separate plans instead of one, since you can't cover each other, also your taxes would go up, because you no longer can file jointly. It might still pay for a select few in a very specific financial circumstance, but I'm thinking it's not actually as big a difference as they think it will be.
 
2013-11-07 12:02:51 PM
Well, I guess nobody can say anymore that Obamacare doesn't do any good.
 
2013-11-07 12:07:24 PM

flucto: I_C_Weener: This is one of those cases where government is working for the people.

It could be Cash For Clunkers 2


+1
 
2013-11-07 12:08:21 PM
In before "Obamacare is designed to destroy traditional families!!!!!1"

/No, you're a socialism!
 
2013-11-07 12:14:32 PM

nmrsnr: But then you'd have to pay for two separate plans instead of one, since you can't cover each other, also your taxes would go up, because you no longer can file jointly.


It depends on your income, but there's usually a marriage penalty on income taxes, too.  More often than not you pay more if you file jointly.
 
2013-11-07 12:16:44 PM
First you force patriotic, business owning Christians to provide Fluke pills to their hussy employees - thus violating their religious beliefs - and now you're forcing them to violate those beliefs again by getting divorced just to save on $12 worth of Obamacare? What's next, is 0bamugabe going to force Christians to eat shellfish or sacrifice unclean animals on the Sabbath? You all think it's funny now but wait until Obamacare tells you that you can't have your wife sleep outside in a tent every time she gets her blood.
 
2013-11-07 12:41:07 PM
This is a real thing, but the intersection of marriage and public policy is often really complicated.
 
2013-11-07 12:50:00 PM
He married her to get health insurance and now that she's lost her job and he has to pay in he wants a divorce to "save money" because of Obamacare.  Yeah, sure.
 
2013-11-07 01:02:11 PM
So get gay married instead?
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-11-07 01:04:59 PM
You can beat the system with this one easy step that Obama doesn't want you to know about!
 
2013-11-07 01:05:31 PM
If someone uses health insurance as a reason to leave you. I don't think it's health insurance that's the problem.
 
2013-11-07 01:05:44 PM
People do that to avoid losing all their assets when one goes into Home as well.

If marriage is so sacred why does it get the sin tax treatment?
 
2013-11-07 01:08:03 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: In before "Obamacare is designed to destroy traditional families!!!!!1"

/No, you're a socialism!


Too late.  Comments from TFA:

Progressives, gleefully wrecking the American family for 100 years.

The collectivists try to break up as many families as possible. Remember, the govt is your family.

Liberals believe the State is the only family. They have spent decades destroying the families with anti-family welfare programs that eliminate fathers now they are working on the middle class.
 
2013-11-07 01:09:02 PM

cram_hole: If someone uses health insurance as a reason to leave you. I don't think it's health insurance that's the problem.


They also used health insurance as the reason to get married in the first place.
 
2013-11-07 01:09:04 PM
The depth of their love is astounding. The fact they met on a beanbag chair deigned it to be so.

They'll probably get married again when there's a special on a couple's cruise.
 
2013-11-07 01:10:35 PM
i wonder if anyone knows that obamacare is not a product or service you can purchase
 
2013-11-07 01:11:05 PM
So does this mean they would be better off if we just repealed it and started over?
 
2013-11-07 01:11:31 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: UrukHaiGuyz: In before "Obamacare is designed to destroy traditional families!!!!!1"

/No, you're a socialism!

Too late.  Comments from TFA:

Progressives, gleefully wrecking the American family for 100 years.

The collectivists try to break up as many families as possible. Remember, the govt is your family.

Liberals believe the State is the only family. They have spent decades destroying the families with anti-family welfare programs that eliminate fathers now they are working on the middle class.


aw jeebuz jumped up palomino krist on a crutch....

I don't know why the level of derp still saddens me, but it does.
 
2013-11-07 01:12:30 PM

flucto: If you had one of those substandard wives before the Affordable Wife Act became law, and you liked that wife, you will be able to keep her.


But what if I wanted to upgrade to Platinum?
 
2013-11-07 01:12:30 PM
OK, so having to get married for health insurance is a desirable thing now?  So when a new system comes along that makes it unnecessary, that's a bad thing?

/I, too, support the sanctity of marriages of convenience
 
2013-11-07 01:13:12 PM
Someone should talk to the couple and provide information on what plan they have and which ones they are considering.

I'm sure some reporter can provide that. Because, so far, every time someone actually starts displaying what plans/subsidies are available...the cost goes down and the coverage gets better.
 
2013-11-07 01:14:34 PM
Article used the example couple as one that married to get health insurance? So you had a sham marriage, and Obamacare is fixing that?
 
2013-11-07 01:14:58 PM

Lsherm: nmrsnr: But then you'd have to pay for two separate plans instead of one, since you can't cover each other, also your taxes would go up, because you no longer can file jointly.

It depends on your income, but there's usually a marriage penalty on income taxes, too.  More often than not you pay more if you file jointly.


No, more often than not you pay LESS if you file jointly.
 
2013-11-07 01:17:12 PM

MindStalker: Article used the example couple as one that married to get health insurance? So you had a sham marriage, and Obamacare is fixing that?


Sanctity of marriage!
 
2013-11-07 01:17:19 PM
They seem to be misinformed about the income levels that get you a subsidy. I tried this with several Brooklyn zip codes on Kaiser's subsidy calculator and got the same thing every time:
i1326.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-07 01:17:33 PM
Done in one
 
2013-11-07 01:17:58 PM
FTFA: "lost their health coverage recently when Aronowitz was laid off."

Damn you, 0bama!
 
2013-11-07 01:19:21 PM
This is a conspiracy to force families apart so that Obama can force you to gay marry a dog.
 
2013-11-07 01:20:36 PM
My divorce saved me all kinds of money... said no one ever
 
2013-11-07 01:20:39 PM

Lsherm: nmrsnr: But then you'd have to pay for two separate plans instead of one, since you can't cover each other, also your taxes would go up, because you no longer can file jointly.

It depends on your income, but there's usually a marriage penalty on income taxes, too.  More often than not you pay more if you file jointly.


"1. ATRA's new top tax rate: ATRA created a new 39.6 percent top tax bracket, which starts at $400,000 for single filers and $450,000 for couples filing jointly. Consider two people, each with $400,000 of taxable income. Unmarried, neither would hit the 39.6 percent rate. Married, they would pay the top rate on $350,000. That and other rate effects would impose a marriage penalty of more than $30,000. "

OMG if combined we make $800,000 a year we will pay a penalty of $30k!   The horror!  How can I buy another Enzo when I have to pay soo much in taxes.

Seriously if you have that as point 1 I am not going to read anymore.  1% problems.
 
2013-11-07 01:22:40 PM

Lsherm: nmrsnr: But then you'd have to pay for two separate plans instead of one, since you can't cover each other, also your taxes would go up, because you no longer can file jointly.

It depends on your income, but there's usually a marriage penalty on income taxes, too.  More often than not you pay more if you file jointly.


The penalty begins to hurt couples making >$250K, but doesn't really start to affect couples until they make >$350K.

You work for the WSJ or something? Pardon me if I don't weep for them.
 
2013-11-07 01:24:01 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: My divorce saved me all kinds of money... said no one ever


www.slate.com
 
2013-11-07 01:24:44 PM
Okay so you have a married couple and the one party makes all the money, get divorced and get federally funded Obamacare for the person who made no money. Seems like a lot of work to get subsidized insurance.
 
2013-11-07 01:27:01 PM

Lsherm: nmrsnr: But then you'd have to pay for two separate plans instead of one, since you can't cover each other, also your taxes would go up, because you no longer can file jointly.

It depends on your income, but there's usually a marriage penalty on income taxes, too.  More often than not you pay more if you file jointly.


I fiddled around using that calculator to try and make joint filing come out to be more expensive, and I couldn't do it.

What numbers are you using?
 
2013-11-07 01:29:37 PM

sendtodave: I fiddled around using that calculator to try and make joint filing come out to be more expensive, and I couldn't do it.


Joint filing is more expensive if both parties make identical amounts of money. It's really simple.

Person 1: $350K income
Person 2: $350K income

Each by themselves would only pay a tax rate of 35% at the highest. If they get married, they now have a combined income of $700K, and all amounts over $450K are taxed at 39.6%.
 
2013-11-07 01:29:51 PM

Biff_Steel: FTFA: "lost their health coverage recently when Aronowitz was laid off."

Damn you, 0bama!


Yet another example of how "If you like you plan, you can keep it" was a damned lie!
 
2013-11-07 01:30:51 PM

DamnYankees: Doktor_Zhivago: My divorce saved me all kinds of money... said no one ever


I love that picture every time I see it.

The county with the Highest median household income: 1 Loudoun County Virginia
$117,876

Bunch of poors.
 
2013-11-07 01:33:48 PM
Marriage is a suckers bet for men anyway.
 
2013-11-07 01:34:05 PM

DamnYankees: sendtodave: I fiddled around using that calculator to try and make joint filing come out to be more expensive, and I couldn't do it.

Joint filing is more expensive if both parties make identical amounts of money. It's really simple.

Person 1: $350K income
Person 2: $350K income

Each by themselves would only pay a tax rate of 35% at the highest. If they get married, they now have a combined income of $700K, and all amounts over $450K are taxed at 39.6%.


Huh, it just evens out for me.

Of course, I'm not putting in a combined income of 700 farking thousand dollars, as that would be silly.

Lessee...

Oh. Ok. You pay more as a married couple if you are insanely rich.

Meh.
 
2013-11-07 01:35:13 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: My divorce saved me all kinds of money... said no one ever


My ex was a stay at home mom who had kids from a previous marriage, so I am getting a kick out of your reply.
 
2013-11-07 01:36:00 PM

DamnYankees: sendtodave: I fiddled around using that calculator to try and make joint filing come out to be more expensive, and I couldn't do it.

Joint filing is more expensive if both parties make identical amounts of money. It's really simple.

Person 1: $350K income
Person 2: $350K income

Each by themselves would only pay a tax rate of 35% at the highest. If they get married, they now have a combined income of $700K, and all amounts over $450K are taxed at 39.6%.


You're right, they take a 25K hit by being married....or approximately 3% of their income. I'm going to have to bust out my microscopically tiny violin for this WSJ couple.
 
2013-11-07 01:43:22 PM

kidgenius: DamnYankees: sendtodave: I fiddled around using that calculator to try and make joint filing come out to be more expensive, and I couldn't do it.

Joint filing is more expensive if both parties make identical amounts of money. It's really simple.

Person 1: $350K income
Person 2: $350K income

Each by themselves would only pay a tax rate of 35% at the highest. If they get married, they now have a combined income of $700K, and all amounts over $450K are taxed at 39.6%.

You're right, they take a 25K hit by being married....or approximately 3% of their income. I'm going to have to bust out my microscopically tiny violin for this WSJ couple.


If I ever get to the point where my household is making 450k per year, I won't mind paying 100% tax.

Because I'll be dreaming.

Rich people's problems.
 
2013-11-07 01:43:32 PM
Ya but then you get penalized for being male.
 
2013-11-07 01:48:08 PM
"It was really sudden," Aronowitz said. "It was basically because he needed health insurance, and I had a job that would give that to him."

Sounds like a rock-solid marriage they've got there.
 
2013-11-07 01:54:50 PM

tricycleracer: "It was really sudden," Aronowitz said. "It was basically because he needed health insurance, and I had a job that would give that to him."

Sounds like a rock-solid marriage they've got there.


So what they're saying is, we should have had Obamacare in 2008. Because then he would have been able to afford health insurance on his own and not needed to have married someone to get it.
 
2013-11-07 01:59:51 PM

tricycleracer: "It was really sudden," Aronowitz said. "It was basically because he needed health insurance, and I had a job that would give that to him."

Sounds like a rock-solid marriage they've got there.


This is exactly the kind of moral, sanctified-by-the-Lord holy matrimonial arrangement that conservatives are always screaming must be defended.  Traditional Loveless Marriages of Economic Convenience must be protected at all cost.  Naturally that includes keeping people (read: women) from getting individual health coverage outside a spouse or (shudder) employment contract.  Can you imagine?

One less card in your deck of economic controls may well break the chain that binds your chattle property to you.  Who would want to live in such a world?
 
2013-11-07 02:17:51 PM

DamnYankees: Doktor_Zhivago: My divorce saved me all kinds of money... said no one ever


Seriously, though.

Imagine that single person was very bootstrappy. Grew up poor, but worked hard in school. True American spirit. She immediately got a job with the *highest* income (short of CEO) around $130000 per year. Where does the other $100000 come from?

And this is where we see that the idea of bootstraps, rags to riches is bullshiat.

It's kinda a thing in China where, when a guy looks to get married, the potential bride expects him to own a house. Not get mortgage, but own one outright. And his parent's house won't do anymore. He needs his own place.

Of course, it'd take him his whole life to save that much on a workers salary! So, really, the bride is marrying his family, since that's where the money comes from. Your family is poor? Sucks to be you. You must be poor quality.

Seems the same attitude here. Unless you are born on third base, fark ya.


...

Eh, I'm bored.
 
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