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(Daily Freeman)   NY government vogons say it's all well and good for kids to be selling stuff to raise money for activities, but the state gets its piece of the pie first. Now, about those nontaxable allowances   (dailyfreeman.com) divider line 47
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2013-11-07 08:13:10 AM
They didn't make the kids site through a poetry reading as punishment did they?
 
2013-11-07 08:23:04 AM
oh for farks sake.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-07 08:30:39 AM
I don't think my state would do anything that stupid. Maybe more stupid, but not stupid in that precise way. I don't pay tax at the voting day school bake sale. Sales to support schools are not taxable, and whether or not the sales are taxable you can't collect sales tax without registering as a collector.
 
2013-11-07 08:33:36 AM

ZAZ: you can't collect sales tax without registering as a collector.


Exactly. Who would register? The school? If that was the case wouldn't the money have to go into the general fund where they wouldn't have discretion over the funds, etc, etc, spiral down and down blah blah
 
2013-11-07 08:45:33 AM
Because it's easier to hassle 11-year-olds selling candy than it is to catch cigarette smugglers.
 
2013-11-07 08:49:51 AM

Gulper Eel: Because it's easier to hassle 11-year-olds selling candy than it is to catch cigarette smugglers.


It's even easier to not be assholes to kids and poor people.
 
2013-11-07 09:50:49 AM

doglover: Gulper Eel: Because it's easier to hassle 11-year-olds selling candy than it is to catch cigarette smugglers.

It's even easier to not be assholes to kids and poor people.


You are OBVIOUSLY not a politician. That is in their DNA
 
2013-11-07 11:28:40 AM
So, teaching kids fiscal responsibility and how to deal with business realities like collecting and reporting sales taxes is a bad thing?
 
2013-11-07 12:27:41 PM
You people just don't get it.  If they had filled out the DD-3202-H properly and elected to NOT withhold voluntary civic outlays, they would have received the proper denial-of-exclusionary-withholdings paperwork with MORE than enough time to file with Central Authority.

Of course HE-77 (addendum S700000007) would be a quicker route, but you really don't want to get caught in that bureaucratic nightmare if you don't have the proper credit agreements on file.
 
2013-11-07 12:50:58 PM
Kasey Kasem Variety has to charge sales tax, and he'll be damned if them meddling kids will get away with it too.
 
2013-11-07 01:01:47 PM
It's only fair: we can't expect the rich to pay all the taxes.
 
2013-11-07 01:09:05 PM
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2013-11-07 01:22:38 PM
Where exactly are these kids supposed to find soft peat?
 
2013-11-07 01:48:21 PM
Thank god those kids weren't applying for a NY liquor license. Now THAT would have been a clusterfark.
 
2013-11-07 04:14:23 PM
It's okay though, the revenue will go to schools.
 
2013-11-07 04:14:26 PM

flucto: oh for farks sake.


Why we live on this side of the lake, bro.
 
2013-11-07 04:15:27 PM
174.121.239.98
 
2013-11-07 04:20:25 PM
Hey, those bypasses aren't just going to fund themselves.
 
2013-11-07 04:21:33 PM
fark the tax collectors.  All any involved parent has to do is set up a non-profit charity group unaffiliated with the school to support the activity.  Problem solved.
 
2013-11-07 04:22:32 PM
Taking tax class in college was a joke, because there wasn't one thing that was not taxed, and if you had a large deduction it could only be carried over for so many years and it had to be divided up for maximum years whether or not you actually used yup all your deduction.
 
2013-11-07 04:24:30 PM
You know..its bad enough that you federally take tax from my paycheck, and state gets its chunk too, as does Social Security. Then if thats not enough, when i go to buy something, you tax that, tax the gas i use to go get the purchace, and sometimes tax me to drive on the road, where you are already charging me for a lincense tag for my car. Hell, if i want to get some dinner, you tax that too. Why not tax the kids? It's not like they are doing something worthwhile and honorable. And we all know, the government is a bastion of fiscal responsibility with our tax dollars, as we don't have a national dept, and never ever spend on pork barrel projects or backroom deals as our legislators are fine upstanding people who would never use our hard earned dollars for anything shady or over priced.
 
2013-11-07 04:28:05 PM
Great headline, subby.
 
2013-11-07 04:32:20 PM
The Kingston District auditor is wrong.  Since the district is a 501(c)(3) under IRS regulations, purchasers of bake-sale items are making a donation on the amount of the purchase of the goods over and above the goods' actual value.  And donations cannot be taxed.  So say I buy a cookie for 50 cents, but the actual value of the cookie is 10 cents, I am making a donation to the school of 40 cents, and I actually only need to pay for the sales tax on that 10 cents.

I've just been working on a project for my boss on this very subject.  It's disappointing that an auditor can get something like this so incorrect, but not surprising.
 
2013-11-07 04:34:14 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: You know..its bad enough that you federally take tax from my paycheck, and state gets its chunk too, as does Social Security. Then if thats not enough, when i go to buy something, you tax that, tax the gas i use to go get the purchace, and sometimes tax me to drive on the road, where you are already charging me for a lincense tag for my car. Hell, if i want to get some dinner, you tax that too. Why not tax the kids? It's not like they are doing something worthwhile and honorable. And we all know, the government is a bastion of fiscal responsibility with our tax dollars, as we don't have a national dept, and never ever spend on pork barrel projects or backroom deals as our legislators are fine upstanding people who would never use our hard earned dollars for anything shady or over priced.


I think those are the lyrics to a Beatles Song.

Long live Ringo
 
2013-11-07 04:34:59 PM
Barely a day after a Democrat gets elected mayor in NY and all of sudden everyone gets all Taxy.
 
2013-11-07 04:37:06 PM
How about you tax religious organizations before you start hassling kids just trying to compensate for lack of funding for education you c*nts?

Oh right, jebus first. Smarterer makenings of the chilluns 1652nd.

Dillf*ckers.
 
2013-11-07 04:56:34 PM

fickenchucker: fark the tax collectors.  All any involved parent has to do is set up a non-profit charity group unaffiliated with the school to support the activity.  Problem solved.



The IRS application process should be super smooth.
 
2013-11-07 05:22:18 PM
parents always seem to be the ones doing the selling anyway.
 
2013-11-07 06:12:28 PM
The useless seat warmers want their money, come hell or high water.

We need to stop calling them civil servants. Someone who reaches into the pocket of people running charitable bake sales are serving no-one but themselves.
 
2013-11-07 06:15:24 PM

The Third Man: The Kingston District auditor is wrong.  Since the district is a 501(c)(3) under IRS regulations, purchasers of bake-sale items are making a donation on the amount of the purchase of the goods over and above the goods' actual value.  And donations cannot be taxed.  So say I buy a cookie for 50 cents, but the actual value of the cookie is 10 cents, I am making a donation to the school of 40 cents, and I actually only need to pay for the sales tax on that 10 cents.

I've just been working on a project for my boss on this very subject.  It's disappointing that an auditor can get something like this so incorrect, but not surprising.


Because, fark you, pay me.
 
2013-11-07 06:19:31 PM
It's New York, taxing everything they can is a requirement. I'm surprised they haven't placed a tax on breathing, burping and farting.
 
2013-11-07 06:40:23 PM
I've always thought they got around it as being a "thank you gift".  You give the school $20, your thank you gift is a box of cookie dough or wrapping paper.  Is PBS going to have to pay tax on that free tote bag they gave me for my contribution?
 
2013-11-07 06:57:32 PM

CheapEngineer: [174.121.239.98 image 360x244]


That's really a terrible picture. One of my off days.
 
2013-11-07 06:58:07 PM

Unoriginal_Username: They didn't make the kids site through a poetry reading as punishment did they?


What would be wrong with that?
 
2013-11-07 07:32:37 PM
But perish the thought of taxing the organizations running those gigantic buildings where delusional people kneel and sing to their fairy ghosts.  Some of them need helicopters in order to get a whiff of that delicious sky cake.
 
2013-11-07 07:56:49 PM

PainInTheASP: You people just don't get it.  If they had filled out the DD-3202-H properly and elected to NOT withhold voluntary civic outlays, they would have received the proper denial-of-exclusionary-withholdings paperwork with MORE than enough time to file with Central Authority.

Of course HE-77 (addendum S700000007) would be a quicker route, but you really don't want to get caught in that bureaucratic nightmare if you don't have the proper credit agreements on file.


Wow... you... you did that so well. It's like you're fluent in bureaucratese or something.

You frighten me. More than Chucky. More than Freddy. Maybe even more than Mr. Whipple.
 
2013-11-07 08:03:17 PM

VogonPoet: Unoriginal_Username: They didn't make the kids site through a poetry reading as punishment did they?

What would be wrong with that?


Holy crap. And your account is pretty old, too.

Also looking bug-eyed at Farker Telephone Sanitizer Second Class.

You two are my heroes.
 
2013-11-07 08:47:03 PM
You guys aren't seeing the bigger picture. This teaches the kids a valuable lesson: government is at its most efficient and effective when it's collecting money from you. Learn 'em when they're young.
 
2013-11-07 09:14:37 PM
Gotta fund the soda cops somehow.
 
2013-11-07 10:25:07 PM

fickenchucker: fark the tax collectors.  All any involved parent has to do is set up a non-profit charity group unaffiliated with the school to support the activity.  Problem solved.


Public Schools are already Tax Exempt per IRS (501)(C)(3). Private Schools can be either profit or non-profit, though.. I'm guessing the article is referring strictly to the for-profit private schools?

If so, the PTO/PTA group should just need to file for their own 501C3 status (granted, there's like a $750 filing fee). I can't say I've ever heard of a PTO/PTA group being turned down..
 
2013-11-08 05:40:42 AM
FTA `"With food, if you heat it up, like a spaghetti dinner, you need to collect sales tax," he said. "But if you give them the food packaged, you don't have to collect sales tax." `

When you have rules like this you have reached the end as a society. Like in the UK where you can have room temperature milk on a table for customers in an open jug allowing dust and bacteria to fall in to it but if you have it in a sealed container it must be refrigerated and kept away from customers...
 
2013-11-08 05:49:42 AM

dready zim: FTA `"With food, if you heat it up, like a spaghetti dinner, you need to collect sales tax," he said. "But if you give them the food packaged, you don't have to collect sales tax." `

When you have rules like this you have reached the end as a society. Like in the UK where you can have room temperature milk on a table for customers in an open jug allowing dust and bacteria to fall in to it but if you have it in a sealed container it must be refrigerated and kept away from customers...


Did you miss the articles about New York a few months ago?  They've got rules there that say if you sell a bagel whole, you don't have to collect sales tax - but if you cut it in half THEN sell it, you have to charge sales tax for it.

Yeah, completely farked up. They even started calling it the "Bagel Cutting Tax".
 
2013-11-08 07:35:18 AM

Precision Boobery: But perish the thought of taxing the organizations running those gigantic buildings where delusional people kneel and sing to their fairy ghosts.  Some of them need helicopters in order to get a whiff of that delicious sky cake.


Yeah, Like Wal-Mart, McDonald's, or Kroger.  Why do all these "businesses" get corporate welfare, while the average Joe is barely making it?
 
2013-11-08 08:20:27 AM

DrSandyBeech: It's New York, taxing everything they can is a requirement. I'm surprised they haven't placed a tax on breathing, burping and farting.


Burping and farting are air pollution, they will just ban that entirely. That's a $1500 fine and up to 20 years in prison for repeat offenders and patrons of Taco Bell.
 
2013-11-08 08:28:23 AM

Southern100: I'm guessing the article is referring strictly to the for-profit private schools?


The schools mentioned are all part of the Kingston public school system.
 
2013-11-08 10:49:45 AM
*facepalm*
 
2013-11-08 03:32:30 PM

Precision Boobery: But perish the thought of taxing the organizations running those gigantic buildings where delusional people kneel and sing to their fairy ghosts.  Some of them need helicopters in order to get a whiff of that delicious sky cake.


Why should one non-profit be different from another?
 
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