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2013-11-07 12:23:12 PM  
A list of box office flops... why would they deserve sequels? I think most, if not ALL of those films suffered from bad marketing.
 
2013-11-07 12:25:21 PM  

Fano: IdBeCrazyIf: BafflerMeal: I watched JC on afternoon. It was much better than people seemed to give it credit for. Not a *great* movie by any stretch, but certainly on par with a lot of movies of it's genre that have done better. The problems were with marketing I feel.

The issue with JC is that it never made you want to care about the characters, it was essentially Dances With Wolves in Space

The other Dances With Wolves in Space made a metric ass ton of money. Or was it Ferngully/Last Samurai in Space.


Yes, but without the benefits of having Tim Curry.
 
2013-11-07 12:28:39 PM  

Last Man on Earth: List fails without Highlander 2.


That and Robocop 2.
 
2013-11-07 12:29:13 PM  
Buckaroo Banzai
 
2013-11-07 12:29:35 PM  
Leonard part vi.

Aren't most of these movies too new to say a sequel will never be made? This is just a list of disastrous franchises.
 
2013-11-07 12:33:55 PM  

whereisian: Master and Commander was an amazing movie. I wish more like it were made.


Likewise. It was also the best Star Trek movie since Wrath of Khan.
 
2013-11-07 12:36:07 PM  
Skyline demands a recount


for what's it worth, maybe it's because it got really bad reviews, but I didn't think Skyline was that bad; probably a bit too presumptuous that it would get a sequel, though.
 
2013-11-07 12:42:00 PM  

Skiffy: whereisian: Master and Commander was an amazing movie. I wish more like it were made.

Likewise. It was also the best Star Trek movie since Wrath of Khan.


I think the poor results have more to do with the timing.  It came out right as all the personal issues that killed Russel Crowe's career was being revealed, and that may have disinclined people to see it.
 
2013-11-07 12:42:27 PM  

Mateorocks: Master & Commander is a pretty good movie. I would've liked a sequel.


A&E needs to do a series based on the  Aubrey-Maturin series, like they did for Horatio.
 
2013-11-07 12:47:08 PM  

Cheron: Buckaroo Banzai


Oh come on, that movie was just campy fun! I would have paid to see the sequel!
 
2013-11-07 12:48:51 PM  

dittybopper: OK, now, this is odd:
Cowboys and Aliens (2011)
Harrison Ford as the iron-fisted Colonel Dolarhyde and Daniel Craig as a stranger with no memory of his past in Cowboys & Aliens.
Timothy White / Universal Studios and DreamWorks II
Source: Scott Mitchell Rosenberg's graphic novel
Budget: $163 million
Domestic Gross: $100 million
Post-Mortem: The title seemed like a no-brainer, and yet the movie failed to deliver even on the fun promised by those three words. Even with $75 million in overseas grosses, the movie failed to recoup its costs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the film cost $163 million, made $100 million domestically, and an additional $75 million overseas, then it made $175 million total, which, last time I checked, was more than $163 million.

I actually liked the film, btw, but it's not really sequel material anyway.  There really wasn't anywhere to go with it, except having more alienses invade the West.


In Hollywood terms, the only thing that is consistently creative is the accounting.

A film could make 100x its budget back and still be considered to be in the red depending on how the
studios divert the funds.

/Never take a cut of the net, only the gross.
 
2013-11-07 12:48:58 PM  

Mateorocks: Master & Commander is a pretty good movie. I would've liked a sequel.


Agreed. It's failure made me sad.
 
2013-11-07 12:51:38 PM  

cirby: bungle_jr:
but at any rate, it at least broke even, according to this stat.

You're forgetting "Hollywood Accounting 101."

Any movie that loses money is a disaster.

Any movie that breaks even is a huge money loser.

Any money that seems to show a profit is also actually a big money loser, and you'll probably never see a dime from it, even if the studio has to invent expenses to make that happen.


Someone has to pay for the hookers and coke.
 
2013-11-07 12:52:39 PM  

dittybopper: MithrandirBooga: I would have replaced John Carter with Godzilla (1998). That movie was clearly designed to be turned into a sequel, with that ridiculous teaser ending. Thankfully it never happened.

It's always been my contention that the 1998 film is better than 90% or more of the Japanese versions.  Better acting, better story, more scientifically believable, better special effects, and a recognition that Gojira is just an animal acting on it's own native instinct and intelligence, not some supernatural force.

And I'll take the raptor-like baby Zillas over Minilla any farkin' day of the week.


I've got to disagree with you on that last point:  Minilla had a goofy kind of charm and personality, whereas
the baby GINOs were basically the raptors from JURASSIC PARK with slightly updated rendering software.

/My favorite Toho film has to be GODZILLA FINAL WARS, which is just bugs-on-the-windshield insane
from start to finish.
 
2013-11-07 12:53:07 PM  

ArkPanda: dittybopper: OK, now, this is odd:
Cowboys and Aliens (2011)
Harrison Ford as the iron-fisted Colonel Dolarhyde and Daniel Craig as a stranger with no memory of his past in Cowboys & Aliens.
Timothy White / Universal Studios and DreamWorks II
Source: Scott Mitchell Rosenberg's graphic novel
Budget: $163 million
Domestic Gross: $100 million
Post-Mortem: The title seemed like a no-brainer, and yet the movie failed to deliver even on the fun promised by those three words. Even with $75 million in overseas grosses, the movie failed to recoup its costs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the film cost $163 million, made $100 million domestically, and an additional $75 million overseas, then it made $175 million total, which, last time I checked, was more than $163 million.

I actually liked the film, btw, but it's not really sequel material anyway.  There really wasn't anywhere to go with it, except having more alienses invade the West.

Rule of thumb is you always divide by two.  About half the gross goes to the theaters, distributors, etc.  So a $163 million movie needs to make $326 million to be successful for the studio.


Not only that but the studio percentage on overseas box office is typically less than on domestic box office. So to use cowboys and aliens for an example, while the studio might have gotten anywhere from 50-90% of the north american box office (depending on how many weeks it lasted) it probably wouldn't have made as much of the overseas revenue.
 
2013-11-07 12:54:01 PM  

Rambino: exparrot: Yes. How horrible would that be.
A colorful fun movie for children that had incredible visuals and a self-deprecating sense of humor.

And Christina Ricci as Trixie...   mmmmmmmmm....

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Hell yeah.

Speed Racer was farking hilarious, it could almost have made up for the first Matrix sequel, if such an abomination actually existed.

I especially loved the dénouement with Racer X and Inspector Detector, just completely WTF? for what's supposed to be a kids film.
 
2013-11-07 12:55:55 PM  
My opinion(s):
Shame about Master and Commander.  Was a good movie and fairly well done.  Ships are cool.

Jonah Hex:  Cheesy but enjoyable.

John Carter:  Saw this for the first time earlier this year, was very surprised.  Was actually a pretty good movie.
 
2013-11-07 12:58:20 PM  
I don't understand why the Matrix wasn't on that list.  The idea that they might have made sequels to that makes me shudder.   Also, this
 
2013-11-07 01:03:52 PM  

Cheron: Buckaroo Banzai


Add this and Starship Troopers to the list of movies that people failed to realize were spoofs. In fact, the trailer at the end of Buckaroo Banzai is itself yet another spoof.

Movies that do deserve a sequel; Solomon Kane, Detective Dee, etc.
 
2013-11-07 01:04:51 PM  

dittybopper: MithrandirBooga: I would have replaced John Carter with Godzilla (1998). That movie was clearly designed to be turned into a sequel, with that ridiculous teaser ending. Thankfully it never happened.

It's always been my contention that the 1998 film is better than 90% or more of the Japanese versions.  Better acting, better story, more scientifically believable, better special effects, and a recognition that Gojira is just an animal acting on it's own native instinct and intelligence, not some supernatural force.

And I'll take the raptor-like baby Zillas over Minilla any farkin' day of the week.


But babyzilla was soooo cuuuuuute....
 
2013-11-07 01:08:55 PM  

IC Stars: Mateorocks: Master & Commander is a pretty good movie. I would've liked a sequel.

A&E needs to do a series based on the  Aubrey-Maturin series, like they did for Horatio.


This.
 
2013-11-07 01:09:45 PM  

mjohnson71: Mateorocks: Master & Commander is a pretty good movie. I would've liked a sequel.

Agreed. It's failure made me sad.


It at least lives on today as my "official movie to test the sound system" whenever I upgrade/move the home theater setup. The opening, up through the battle, is great to put speakers through its paces.

/About the only thing Revenge of the Sith is good for, too
//Used to be The Matrix, but M&C/Ep3 took over
 
2013-11-07 01:16:46 PM  

dittybopper: Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the film cost $163 million, made $100 million domestically, and an additional $75 million overseas, then it made $175 million total, which, last time I checked, was more than $163 million.


It used to be that domestic gross changed over the release timeline.  That was changed in the 90's.  A good estimation of how much a studio gets out of the box office pie is as follows:  50% of domestic, 30% of international.  This is actually being generous for international (I've seen it as low as 15%).  But that doesn't tell the whole picture, because on top of the negative costs the studio also pays for advertising and print costs, which for $100 million film will easily add 30-50 million.  For your example we'll add it up:

100 domestic = 50 million
75 international = 22.5 million
Total 165 = 72.5
Budget of 163 million + marketing, prints, etc. we'll call it 200 million.
200-72.5 = 127.5 million in the red.

bungle_jr: according to wikipedia (yes, consider the source...but i really don't care to do any further research for this movie i don't care to watch) the film had a budget of $225-250million and a box office gross of $260million+. i have no idea if this includes dvd rentals/sales, etc, or if it includes movie tie-ins, toys, etc. but at any rate, it at least broke even, according to this stat.


For The Lone Ranger:
Budget 215 million +75 million for adverts, prints = 290 million
Domestic 90 = 45 million
International 171 = 51.3
45+51.3 = 96.3 million
290 - 96.3=193.7 million in the red.
 
2013-11-07 01:16:52 PM  

JayCab: It at least lives on today as my "official movie to test the sound system" whenever I upgrade/move the home theater setup. The opening, up through the battle, is great to put speakers through its paces.



That's funny, that is totally what I use that movie for too. It is amazing how during pretty much the whole movie you can constantly hear the creak of the ship and the splashing of waves against the boat just faintly, but not enough to over power any talking. Plus the sound of the wood cracking when cannons hit is awesome.
 
2013-11-07 01:18:09 PM  
The Golden Compass (2007)

I read the books for the first time earlier this year, and it's been a very long time since I've read something as engaging. I haven't seen the film, but if I understand correctly the source material they removed, it would be absolutely impossible to continue the narrative where it went through the ensuing two books/movies. The butthurts forcing the removal of the "anti-religious" elements only proved how right Pullman was with the themes in the books.
 
2013-11-07 01:18:29 PM  

cirby: bungle_jr:
but at any rate, it at least broke even, according to this stat.

You're forgetting "Hollywood Accounting 101."

Any movie that loses money is a disaster.

Any movie that breaks even is a huge money loser.

Any money that seems to show a profit is also actually a big money loser, and you'll probably never see a dime from it, even if the studio has to invent expenses to make that happen.

New Line swore up and down that the Lord of the Rings lost money. Really.

Warner Brothers said Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix - a movie that grossed $600 million - lost $167 million.

The king of this might be "Return of the Jedi." It cost $32 million to make in 1983. It grossed $475 million. It still hasn't shown a profit.


They make these claims, then fight tooth and nail in court to avoid releasing the number that they are based off of. This is crap they pull to keep from paying people a full share of the profits.

It would be nice if they disclosed how much was spent on marketing the films.
 
2013-11-07 01:18:57 PM  

whereisian: Master and Commander was an amazing movie. I wish more like it were made.


It was a great movie that suprised me. I saw it at home when I was sick. I really wasnt expecting much from it at all.
 
2013-11-07 01:19:02 PM  

MithrandirBooga: However this is becoming an increasingly large problem with most blockbusters nowadays. 3 of the top 10 movie flops of all time were released just this summer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_box_office_bombs#Biggest_box_of fi ce_bombs ); Hollywood has got to stop spending so much money on gigantic films and spending money on smaller niche films. This idea that every movie has to appeal to everyone is watering down films so much that it's actually turning off most viewers.


Holy crap, a cursory glance at that list revealed this at #26:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sound_of_Thunder_%28film%29

How the hell did they spend 80mil on that piece of shiat?  I swore they just hired a bunch of middle-schoolers with pirated copies of 3dMax and Nuke on their Macbook Pros to do all the VFX.
 
2013-11-07 01:19:58 PM  
Speed Racer was a great movie with incredible visuals.  It is exactly what it was supposed to be, campy and all.  Need to remind myself to watch it tonight, thanks Subby.
 
2013-11-07 01:22:40 PM  

Car_Ramrod: I liked Cowboys & Aliens...


As did I. It was pretty much exactly what it said it was.

/never saw Lemony Snicket, but Emily Browning is so cute
 
2013-11-07 01:27:34 PM  

dittybopper: OK, now, this is odd:
Cowboys and Aliens (2011)
Harrison Ford as the iron-fisted Colonel Dolarhyde and Daniel Craig as a stranger with no memory of his past in Cowboys & Aliens.
Timothy White / Universal Studios and DreamWorks II
Source: Scott Mitchell Rosenberg's graphic novel
Budget: $163 million
Domestic Gross: $100 million
Post-Mortem: The title seemed like a no-brainer, and yet the movie failed to deliver even on the fun promised by those three words. Even with $75 million in overseas grosses, the movie failed to recoup its costs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the film cost $163 million, made $100 million domestically, and an additional $75 million overseas, then it made $175 million total, which, last time I checked, was more than $163 million.

I actually liked the film, btw, but it's not really sequel material anyway.  There really wasn't anywhere to go with it, except having more alienses invade the West.


Hollywood math. Everyone loses (on paper) with Hollywood math.

I keep hoping stuff like this will put a nail in the coffin of starting work on a Hollywood adaptation of a comic book before said comic even comes out, then maybe someone will get Locke and Key the recognition it deserves.

Jonah Hex was just a terrible idea. The moment they gave him powers everyone involved should have been fired and kicked in the head. It would have worked better as a moody indie flick than a blockbuster.
 
2013-11-07 01:35:59 PM  

wildcardjack: MithrandirBooga: John Carter wasn't terrible. It was decent, and a lot better than most crap that has endless sequels these days.

That's because Mars sucks. When will studio executives learn not to work with anything dealing with Mars, it just won't work. No matter how good the book, Mars fails with the populace.


That wasn't the problem. The problem is that when the book was written it was a sci-fi. It's now fantasy yet the story went through as science fiction. A better script may have saved it.

Hard to get people to accept Mars as having aliens on it when we haven't found them yet. Now the original Total Recall where humans have colonized it? Easier to grasp as an idea than aliens on Mars needing human moms or warring factions of humanoids on Mars aligning with various alien species.
 
2013-11-07 01:36:10 PM  

tmcottle: Cheron: Buckaroo Banzai

Oh come on, that movie was just campy fun! I would have paid to see the sequel!


Big Trouble in Little China was pretty awesome.
 
2013-11-07 01:41:08 PM  

NathanAllen: Cheron: Buckaroo Banzai

Add this and Starship Troopers to the list of movies that people failed to realize were spoofs. In fact, the trailer at the end of Buckaroo Banzai is itself yet another spoof.

 
Like Star Wars.

 
2013-11-07 01:42:27 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: whereas
the baby GINOs were basically the raptors from JURASSIC PARK with slightly updated rendering software.


You know that almost all of the scenes in Jurassic Park featuring the raptors, they were puppets, right?

Also, how many different ways can you portray a bipedal dinosaur-like creature that size?  Precisely *ONE*.   The reason why they look like raptors, is because that's the only effective way to make them bipedal, fast, and, well,  not stupid looking at that size. Theropods shared a pretty consistent body plan, and it's a good one.

Remember that Gojira was designed back in they day when we thought bipedal dinosaurs walked upright, and Gojira is a dinosaur of some kind.  If you look at the posture of the original Gojira against the more recent versions, the back has gone from being largely vertical:

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To being closer to horizontal, at about a 45 degree angle:

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And of course, we have Zilla, who has a very theropod-like body plan and a correct horizontal posture:

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

You can get away with a somewhat different body plan at the huge size, but if you go with it at the size of the baby Zillas, it looks tremendously stupid:

static1.wikia.nocookie.net

Aside from the silliness of the picture, I wouldn't feel that threatened if I saw something like that coming down the street at me, because it's obvious that I could out-run it.

My biggest beef with Zilla wasn't the locomotion or body plan, it was the head.

We associate significance to faces.  That should have remained more "Gojira-like".  I don't care for the stupid huge lower-jaw look.

When all is said and done, though, the 1998 version was *BETTER* than most of the Japanese films.  And I say this as someone who has been a kaiju fan since I was a young kid (watching Ultraman, the Godzilla films, Johnny Sokko, Gamera, etc.).

It has a much better plot than most of the Japanese films, and a better origin story than all of them.  The science is better than all of the Japanese films, including the original.  Godzilla is treated as an animal with needs and feelings, not as some malevolent or benevolent supernatural (and mostly unkillable) force.

I think it actually suffers because of the name.  Calling it "Godzilla" instead "The Monster that ate New York" or something like that invariably invokes feelings for both fans and detractors of Godzilla.  Godzilla fans don't like it because the monster was too different from what they were used to seeing.  People who don't like Godzilla wouldn't see because they don't like Godzilla.

Had the film and monster been called something else, I'm betting it would have done a bit better.


/Say "Hi" to Jack's beer for me.
 
2013-11-07 01:44:11 PM  
I am still waiting for Sky Captain 2.
 
2013-11-07 01:45:30 PM  

Fano: Big Trouble in Little China was pretty awesome.


That could have used some sequels. Not the China theme again but Jack Burton getting into other adventures like Indiana Jones.
 
2013-11-07 01:46:47 PM  
I actually liked Cowboys and Aliens, I don't know why it did so poorly.
 
2013-11-07 01:48:02 PM  
www.internationalhero.co.uk
 
2013-11-07 01:54:50 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: MithrandirBooga: However this is becoming an increasingly large problem with most blockbusters nowadays. 3 of the top 10 movie flops of all time were released just this summer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_box_office_bombs#Biggest_box_of fi ce_bombs ); Hollywood has got to stop spending so much money on gigantic films and spending money on smaller niche films. This idea that every movie has to appeal to everyone is watering down films so much that it's actually turning off most viewers.

Holy crap, a cursory glance at that list revealed this at #26:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sound_of_Thunder_%28film%29

How the hell did they spend 80mil on that piece of shiat?  I swore they just hired a bunch of middle-schoolers with pirated copies of 3dMax and Nuke on their Macbook Pros to do all the VFX.


Wait, that movie cost 80 million?  I've seen SyFy movies with better special effects.  Hell I've seen Asylum movies with better FX.
 
2013-11-07 02:03:37 PM  

yves0010: Speed Racer was awesome! My nephew and I watch it all the time. Saw it in theaters day 1 and bought the DvD day 1 as well. Then again, I have always been a Speed Racer fan so that would be no surprise. I want another Speed Racer movie. It was very well done and kept the campiness of the original show.


Exactly. It's like the people biatching about the Speed Racer movie never ever saw the horrible one dimensional cartoon that my 8 year old self loved. I mean honestly the cartoon was crap, utter and complete crap, and you had to be a little boy to enjoy it.

The movie was fun, but Susan Sarandon and John Goodman make that movie into something that was awesome.
 
2013-11-07 02:05:57 PM  

Car_Ramrod: I liked Cowboys & Aliens...


Ignore User

j/k, but the only thing that could have saved that movie would have been showing the entire Olivia Wilde campsite scene.  Seriously what was Paul Dano thinking?
 
2013-11-07 02:09:07 PM  

bungle_jr: also, listing a movie that was released THIS YEAR in a listicle about being spared a sequel? come on! they could be working on a sequel that we haven't even heard of yet!


Did you see how far the movie fell short of its budget? It's not getting a sequel.
 
2013-11-07 02:09:32 PM  
I've often wondered if those who hate John Carter so much have actually seen it. I went into it thinking it was going to stink, and found it to be pretty damn enjoyable. It is a fun, entertaining and well made diversion - what more could you ask for? Sure it was flop, but that doesn't make it a bad movie. Disney just screwed the release because they had no idea how to market it, same as they did with Lone Ranger (which I also thought was a decent action flick).
 
2013-11-07 02:10:19 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: wildcardjack

MithrandirBooga: John Carter wasn't terrible. It was decent, and a lot better than most crap that has endless sequels these days.

That's because Mars sucks. When will studio executives learn not to work with anything dealing with Mars, it just won't work. No matter how good the book, Mars fails with the populace.


Counterpoint:

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ACK ACK ACK!


Two things... It's not ON Mars, and it sorta bombed.
 
2013-11-07 02:11:40 PM  
I'm in the Speed Racer fan club too. I thought it was a great movie, and I'm pretty picky. It has great visuals and each of the races are fun. Come on, any movie with a beehive catapult should get an automatic pass.

Beehive. Catapult.

And it has an extended flash forward. That's something you just don't see in movies, pretty much ever.

I'll have to bust out the movie tonight too. Subby is inspiring!
 
2013-11-07 02:11:44 PM  
Personally I waiting for the soon to be classics

Jack and Jill 2: The incest

White House Down 2: This time it's not like Die Hard

Green Lantern 2: out of the closet

The League of  Extra Extra Extraordinary Gentlemen
 
2013-11-07 02:13:35 PM  

Jake Leg: I've often wondered if those who hate John Carter so much have actually seen it. I went into it thinking it was going to stink, and found it to be pretty damn enjoyable. It is a fun, entertaining and well made diversion - what more could you ask for? Sure it was flop, but that doesn't make it a bad movie. Disney just screwed the release because they had no idea how to market it, same as they did with Lone Ranger (which I also thought was a decent action flick).


I watch John Carter and I know nothing of the source material.  The movie had potential and I found the storyline taking place on earth to be quite intriguing.  There was something about the lead actor that to me just didn't fit the role.
 
2013-11-07 02:14:20 PM  

BafflerMeal: [www.internationalhero.co.uk image 500x399]


I loved Remo Williams when I was a kid, and recently noticed it is streaming on Netflix. I'm afraid to watch it, as I'm not sure it will hold up on viewing it today....
 
2013-11-07 02:16:41 PM  

Jake Leg: I loved Remo Williams when I was a kid, and recently noticed it is streaming on Netflix. I'm afraid to watch it, as I'm not sure it will hold up on viewing it today....


SPOILER ALERT

it doesn't
 
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