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(Townhall)   "Honestly, what does being a Libertarian mean beyond legalizing drugs, banging hookers and sitting by while the rest of the world blows itself up?"   (townhall.com) divider line 61
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2013-11-07 09:54:01 AM  
12 votes:
Fedoraheads for freedumbs!

i.imgur.com
2013-11-07 10:09:40 AM  
5 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-11-07 08:48:48 AM  
5 votes:

Diogenes: Honestly, what does being a Libertarian mean beyond legalizing drugs, banging hookers and sitting by while the rest of the world blows itself up?

Well, there's also the self-centeredness and sociopathy.


Don't forget the fedora
2013-11-07 11:02:41 AM  
4 votes:
Libertarians are fat guys with beards who envision themselves as heroic freedom fighters in possession of secret information about how the economy "really works" struggling against a faceless evil (the government). They're basically conspiracy LARPers.
2013-11-07 09:48:54 AM  
4 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-11-07 02:21:22 PM  
3 votes:

slayer199: lockers: The idea that the federal government exist to protect and defend individual freedom is a mythical fantasy. The reason we have a federal government is to govern the states. We, thankfully, included the bill of rights to limit how it can govern. Make no mistake, as passed, the constitution limited the government from taking your liberties in no way. We had to amend it to get those liberties that we enumerated. It wasn't even till the reformation that we even applied those rights to individual states. It took a civil war and abolishment to guarentee states respected individual liberty. Think on that a minute.

You may want to re-read the Constitution sometime.  The government is granted power, the people have Rights.  Read the Federalist Papers (Federalist 84).  Alexander Hamilton argued against the Bill of Rights stating that if such a Bill of Rights were added that it could be interpreted that the People ONLY had those rights.   "I go further, and affirm that bills of rights, in the sense and in the extent in which they are contended for, are not only unnecessary in the proposed constitution, but would even be dangerous. They would contain various exceptions to powers which are not granted; and on this very account, would afford a colorable pretext to claim more than were granted. For why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why for instance, should it be said, that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained, when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed? I will not contend that such a provision would confer a regulating power; but it is evident that it would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretense for claiming that power."

The 9th and 10th Amendments were a compromise.

9th
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

10th
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited ...


i39.tinypic.com
2013-11-07 10:20:22 AM  
3 votes:

russlar: [i.imgur.com image 310x390]


If anyone missed the Unfrozen Caveman Libertarian thread, they should really check out it's epicness.
2013-11-07 10:00:22 AM  
3 votes:
It means you are too much of a pussy to call yourself an Anarchist
2013-11-07 08:41:14 AM  
3 votes:
All the Libertarians I know are either 20-something dudes who love weed and have very little idea what the federal government actually does or brilliant sociopaths who believe they would flourish in a country without a strong central government and therefore, screw you.

Anecdata!
2013-11-07 01:23:19 PM  
2 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: FarkedOver: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x331]
 LIBERTARIAN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT

And then they buy the land and have the cops evict the tent colony.


Not before the Libertarian Meals on Wheels program stops and gives everyone a hot meal!

www.solarfeeds.com
2013-11-07 10:52:51 AM  
2 votes:

karnal: A libertarian is a liberal who learned economics at a 3rd grade level in an Alabama public school.



FTFY
2013-11-07 10:00:07 AM  
2 votes:

toomuchwhargarbl: Fedoraheads for freedumbs!

[i.imgur.com image 430x538]


THAT is the best answer I've seen to "Who is John Galt" NOw I'll see this punks image everytime I hear John Galt.
2013-11-07 09:59:09 AM  
2 votes:

toomuchwhargarbl: Fedoraheads for freedumbs!

[i.imgur.com image 430x538]


img.fark.net
2013-11-07 09:58:42 AM  
2 votes:
It is always fun to see someone get exposed to libertarian ideas. Usually they start out with all the stuff they agree with and get somewhat excited

Then they find the other half of the general views and discover they are things that they usually despise.

It is just like watching a horrible prank on someone. Sure you feel a little bad about it but it is hilarious at the same time.
2013-11-07 09:50:22 AM  
2 votes:
www.leftycartoons.com
2013-11-07 08:46:27 AM  
2 votes:
Honestly, what does being a Libertarian mean beyond legalizing drugs, banging hookers and sitting by while the rest of the world blows itself up?

Well, there's also the self-centeredness and sociopathy.
2013-11-07 07:25:10 PM  
1 votes:
"Are you familiar with the concept of structural violence?"
"...no."



The Martian Manhandler
If anyone missed the Unfrozen Caveman Libertarian thread, they should really check out it's epicness.

The last post should have just been "/fark".


FarkedOver
Now, I love the state in as much as I want the working class (the majority of the people) to control the state to oppress the ruling class (the capitalists). It's only fair :)

fuuka.warosu.org


xria
in a practical sense the only real way to rein in the power of corporations is to have a relatively powerful government, which at least has to respond to public pressure to a reasonable extent in regulating and limiting their worst abuses. Obviously it is far from ideal, but "Never let perfect become the enemy of the good" or whatever the phrase is.

Ideally, there would be a high enough level of social and labor organization to be able to do things without having to resort to the government. According to what you're saying, there is no reason the government can't do its part to rein in corporate power WHILE we work toward that level of organization. Anyway, do you really believe the government has any interest in actually reining in corporate power? If not, there's only one thing that could force the government to do its job- if we achieve a high enough level of social and labor organization that they are forced to either shape up or be made obsolete. But then if we do manage to achieve that kind of organizational power, why continue relying on a governmental system which is fundamentally hostile? At that point, if the government acts because there is a credible threat of a revolution, why not follow through on that revolution and be done with the problem once and for all?


skullkrusher
I believe money=money and should have no impact on political power

Economic power IS political power. "Politics" does not necessarily mean "government".


lockers
Kinda like communism and anarcho-capitalism. if only there was some sort of compromise that existed between these systems.

Mutualism? Anti-State capitalist, but with homesteading allowed on abandoned property even if someone else once held a title to it.
I don't mind mutualists, mostly because they tend to have good politics when it comes to racism, sexism, nationalism, poverty, etc. By their deeds judge them etc.


Felgraf
I really don't think communism can work for large-scale societies, because, yes, of human nature at the moment. Most people may be happy to help folks they know/work to provide for friends and family, but when the people you're supposedly aiding are so far away as to become a total abstraction, I suspect it is much harder to give a fark.

True, but this can possibly be solved by making a 'large-scale society' which consists of a vast number of small groups, organized and coordinated through an acephalous federation. You don't need to know everyone in the world; just the individuals in the organizations you're part of and the general overview of your supply chain and the world news. That's Anarchism.
2013-11-07 04:13:25 PM  
1 votes:

Huggermugger: Weren't you people shrieking bloody murder when it was disclosed that some people were buying produce at Trader Joe's with SNAP benefits?


You people? Long as they're buying produce instead of MegaCarbSugarPops I couldn't care less where they shop.
2013-11-07 03:03:15 PM  
1 votes:
Libertarianism. Great on paper.  Terrible in practice.  Actually, it's terrible on paper as well.
2013-11-07 02:26:16 PM  
1 votes:

Phinn: that the whole "rational actor" idea is just a massive strawman argument, invented to justify more authoritarianism.


....so somebody came along and made that a central tenet of libertarian economics to like....trick you, or something?

Phinn: How is it that people are so irrational and mean-spirited and downright evil that they can't be trusted with their economic freedom, and a government must manage it for them, but that the outcome of every vote by these very same people is presumed to be wise and just and beneficent?


you must practice at missing the point.  the person doing long term damage for short term personal benefit IS ACTING RATIONALLY. the concept of a rational actor isn't just pixie dust for political/economic reasons, it's an absolute mis-read of the situation. intentionally.
2013-11-07 02:01:33 PM  
1 votes:
It's not like anyone was thrilled to vote for John McCain that day. But as bad as McCain was (and still is), he was better than Barack Obama. At least that's a conclusion you'd expect anyone who supported liberty to draw.

That's gold Jerry.  Gold!
Bf+
2013-11-07 01:57:19 PM  
1 votes:

karnal: A libertarian is a liberal who learned economics.


...at the expense of ethics.
2013-11-07 01:44:06 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Ctrl-Alt-Del: vygramul: Gulper Eel: A Republican will pee on your leg and tell you it's raining.

A Democrat will pee on your leg and tell you you're racist/sexist/plutocratic for objecting to having your leg peed on.

A Libertarian will tell you to move your farking leg out of the way before he pees.

A Libertarian will pee on your leg and then tell you you should have moved your leg when you saw him unzipping his fly.

A Libertarian will piss in your drinking water and then tell you "tough shiat, the stream passes thorough my back yard. PRIVATE PROPERTY biatchEZ"

A first worlder would tell you to stop getting your drinking water straight from a stream


The odds of a libertarian country being "first world":

f0.bcbits.com
2013-11-07 01:27:01 PM  
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: A Republican will pee on your leg and tell you it's raining.

A Democrat will pee on your leg and tell you you're racist/sexist/plutocratic for objecting to having your leg peed on.

A Libertarian will tell you to move your farking leg out of the way before he pees.


A Libertarian will pee on your leg and then tell you you should have moved your leg when you saw him unzipping his fly.
2013-11-07 01:25:36 PM  
1 votes:
Ladies, don't feel left out.  The libertarians are thinking of you with their

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LIBERTARIAN ABORTION CLINIC!
2013-11-07 01:17:21 PM  
1 votes:
graphics8.nytimes.com
 LIBERTARIAN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT
2013-11-07 01:15:23 PM  
1 votes:
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
  LIBERTARIAN FOOD PANTRY
2013-11-07 01:13:36 PM  
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: A Republican will pee on your leg and tell you it's raining.

A Democrat will pee on your leg and tell you you're racist/sexist/plutocratic for objecting to having your leg peed on.

A Libertarian will tell you to move your farking leg out of the way before he pees.


Time for this:
i232.photobucket.com
2013-11-07 12:21:48 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Capitalists are capitalists, man. You're a socialist. You're gonna have to come to terms with stealing from mom and pop


Providing for a larger society is the moral equivalent of taking pens from my company?
2013-11-07 11:59:22 AM  
1 votes:

Katolu: Dusk-You-n-Me: It means you're probably white.

Look up "Moorish Moopish".

2013-11-07 11:53:22 AM  
1 votes:
Has anyone mentioned that the author stands on the sidelines and complains about how libertarians stand on the sidelines and complain?
2013-11-07 11:36:57 AM  
1 votes:

ikanreed: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Libertarians are just plutocrat-wannabes who like weed. Authoritarian shiatheels with a stolen name.

I do love anarcho-socialists-cum-uber-statists who call others authoritarian

We do it because you are.  The fact that your preferred authority is the rich, not the democratically elected matters absolutely nothing to us.


Oh wait... You're one of them too? That explains a lot. My preferred authority is not the rich, however. Assumptions and categorizations do make things a bit easier on the old gulliver though, huh?
2013-11-07 11:33:28 AM  
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: A Republican will pee on your leg and tell you it's raining.

A Democrat will pee on your leg and tell you you're racist/sexist/plutocratic for objecting to having your leg peed on.

A Libertarian will tell you to move your farking leg out of the way before he pees.Pee on your leg and demand that you sue him for damages if you feel that having your clothes peed on is a violation of your property rights, and then deny the legitimacy of the court that the hearing is held in because he didn't personally consent to having the conflict resolved in that fashion in an attempt to draw out the proceedings until you're bankrupt from trying to get your pissy pants, socks, and shoes replaced.

2013-11-07 11:30:43 AM  
1 votes:
stblogs.streetchopperweb.com

Recoil Magazine - When your penis is that small, accept no substitutes.
2013-11-07 11:10:35 AM  
1 votes:

FarkedOver: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Libertarians are just plutocrat-wannabes who like weed. Authoritarian shiatheels with a stolen name.

I do love anarcho-socialists-cum-uber-statists who call others authoritarian

He is an anarchist.  I would say he is the last person that will trample your rights.  Me on the other hand,  I love the state.  I don't love the state as it exists now.  I mean the state is a tool used by the ruling class to oppress other classes.  Who is the ruling class? Capitalists.  Now,  I love the state in as much as I want the working class (the majority of the people) to control the state to oppress the ruling class (the capitalists).  It's only fair :)


He's an anarchist in his fantasies and when talking to his buddies to impress them. Deep down he knows that is bullshiat so he embraces government control over everything except vaginas
2013-11-07 11:02:32 AM  
1 votes:

justaguy516: I remember a friend who was a rabid libertarian. And then he had an autistic son born to him.


A true Libertarian would never have submitted to government-mandated vaccinations for his child.
2013-11-07 11:01:32 AM  
1 votes:
In the years since, that attitude has only grown. And what it means to be a Libertarian has blurred even more than before. So much so that a "Libertarian" candidate for governor in Virginia - many of whose views would disgust "real" Libertarians - pulled 7 percent in a race decided by much less pretty much solely on the strength of his party ID.

http://votesmart.org/candidate/political-courage-test/134537/robert- sa rvis/#.Unu4q_nJY64

What views of his would disgust "real" libertarians?

I'm not even sure what the author is biatching about here?

(stolen from a thread yesterday: Yes, the pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-pot legalization, anti-death penalty Libertarian candidate. The sound of Cuccinelli voters stampeding to him was deafening. "
2013-11-07 11:00:43 AM  
1 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: Libertarians are just plutocrat-wannabes who like weed. Authoritarian shiatheels with a stolen name.


I do love anarcho-socialists-cum-uber-statists who call others authoritarian
2013-11-07 10:59:28 AM  
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: A Republican will pee on your leg and tell you it's raining.

A Democrat will pee on your leg and tell you you're racist/sexist/plutocratic for objecting to having your leg peed on.

A Libertarian will tell you to move your farking leg out of the way before he pees.


A Green will pee on you, and then plant an acorn on the wet spot on the ground.
2013-11-07 10:56:14 AM  
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: A Republican will pee on your leg and tell you it's raining.

A Democrat will pee on your leg and tell you you're racist/sexist/plutocratic for objecting to having your leg peed on.

A Libertarian will tell you to move your farking leg out of the way before he pees.


Notice all anecdotes about people who were libertarian until they grew up?  Now look at your post.  Look at it.
2013-11-07 10:53:04 AM  
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/13/libertarianism-for-dummies/

Too long. Don't read.


Thanks, but your name at the top of the post is enough for me.
2013-11-07 10:52:05 AM  
1 votes:
A Republican will pee on your leg and tell you it's raining.

A Democrat will pee on your leg and tell you you're racist/sexist/plutocratic for objecting to having your leg peed on.

A Libertarian will tell you to move your farking leg out of the way before he pees.
2013-11-07 10:48:55 AM  
1 votes:

UNC_Samurai: kxs401: All the Libertarians I know are either 20-something dudes who love weed and have very little idea what the federal government actually does or brilliant sociopaths who believe they would flourish in a country without a strong central government and therefore, screw you.

Anecdata!

I can't disagree.  I went through a dumb college libertarian phase.  Then I graduated and the real world slapped some sense into me.  Between wising up and watching the political spectrum around me being distorted, I'm now pretty damn liberal.


Late to the show, but this was pretty much my path as well.  As in, co-founding member of the largest Objectivist club in my city kind of libertarian.  And that was with another well-known ex-farker.  He's still got a hard on for it, too, and that has pretty much destroyed his life.
2013-11-07 10:31:58 AM  
1 votes:
jorts, mlp tee shirt
2013-11-07 10:25:54 AM  
1 votes:
Wanting smaller, less intrusive government and supporting personal liberty. What a bunch of greedy cave dwellers.
2013-11-07 10:25:39 AM  
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: I guess I'd pass for libertarian here at Fark - that comes from watching the progressive model be at best an expensive mediocrity in my home state, and watching power seeking more power in Washington no matter who's in charge.

Call libertarianism the opposite of whatever the party that wants to play Santa Claus and the party that wants to play God are doing.


That isn't libertarianism. Greedy survivalist is more accurate. What you mean to say is your an independent that is a moderate. Unfortunate as that is.
2013-11-07 10:23:18 AM  
1 votes:
Well, subby convinced me.  Off to change affiliation.
2013-11-07 10:21:38 AM  
1 votes:

Karac: What Libertarians do exceedingly well is sit on the sidelines, arms folded, and complain.

How is that different from Republicans?


Republicans like to sit in the middle of the field, arms folded, and complain
2013-11-07 10:20:05 AM  
1 votes:
I guess I'd pass for libertarian here at Fark - that comes from watching the progressive model be at best an expensive mediocrity in my home state, and watching power seeking more power in Washington no matter who's in charge.

Call libertarianism the opposite of whatever the party that wants to play Santa Claus and the party that wants to play God are doing.
2013-11-07 10:18:30 AM  
1 votes:

toomuchwhargarbl: Fedoraheads for freedumbs!

[i.imgur.com image 430x538]


Hilarious.  Is this from your personal stash of profiles dredged from the depths of OKCupid?
2013-11-07 10:17:00 AM  
1 votes:
Some people just want to watch the world burn. Others want to snort lines off a hooker's ass while the world burns.
2013-11-07 10:10:41 AM  
1 votes:
I was a libertarian in High school. I was also an asshole in high school, and if I met my high school self, I would punch me right in the face.
2013-11-07 10:10:10 AM  
1 votes:

axeeugene: Your type make me puke, QueenMamaBee.


If I wanted abuse, I would have gone down the hallway
2013-11-07 10:06:25 AM  
1 votes:
The comments are even more stupid.  Bunch of halfwits calling each other "liberals."
2013-11-07 10:06:05 AM  
1 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com
2013-11-07 10:02:16 AM  
1 votes:

QueenMamaBee: kxs401: Also, there are a few who are Republicans but too self-aware to call themselves Republicans.

THIS.

My best friend from high school has recently decided to call himself Libertarian, but he pretty much parrots Rand Paul (who himself apparently hasn't had an original idea in years). I finally had to block him from FB because of all the "ERMAHGERD! SEEKRIT MOOSELEM!" bullshiat.

I do enjoy my debates with the couple of friends who can hold decent, thought-provoking conversations, but this guy apparently thinks Monty Python's Argument Clinic is a good idea.

/no it isn't


i18.photobucket.com

But, seriously - the difficulty is that taken as individual principles, the vast majority of Libertarian principles are morally and philosophically sound.
What "Libertarians" fail to see is that is is quite possible for this to be so, and at the same time, for "Libertarianism" as an overarching social and political philosophy to be utter nonsense.
That is, in fact, the case.
2013-11-07 09:59:47 AM  
1 votes:
Another article about how if they would just be TRUE libertarians it would be the best thing ever.

There is a reason why no one has ever successfully tried out your bullshiat philosophy, guys.
2013-11-07 09:57:54 AM  
1 votes:

toomuchwhargarbl: Fedoraheads for freedumbs!

[i.imgur.com image 430x538]


...wow

That is either the most disturbing thing I've read in quite some time, or some brilliant comedy.
2013-11-07 09:50:35 AM  
1 votes:

justaguy516: I remember a friend who was a rabid libertarian. And then he had an autistic son born to him.


Which he knew how?
2013-11-07 09:49:20 AM  
1 votes:

justaguy516: I remember a friend who was a rabid libertarian. And then he had an autistic son born to him.


Your friend was probably mildly autistic himself - it's common among libertarians. Probably passed it on to the kid.
2013-11-07 09:46:07 AM  
1 votes:
I remember a friend who was a rabid libertarian. And then he had an autistic son born to him.
 
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