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2013-11-07 10:06:25 AM
The comments are even more stupid.  Bunch of halfwits calling each other "liberals."
 
2013-11-07 10:06:40 AM

DarnoKonrad: "free markets to a gaggle of misfits who want pot and prostitution legalized and a total non-interventionist foreign policy."


What exactly do you think the "free market" is going to provide?  Wholesome values?  Left to their own devices people will sell each other for a pocket of shiny rocks you flippin' moron.

"Libertarians have devolved from the pro-liberty wing of the right side of the ledger to the annoying kid who, when he doesn't get 100 percent of what he wants, takes his ball and goes home."


Who are you dictate what "pro liberty" is supposed to mean?  If your highest goal is personal freedom,  don't be surprised when it turns out to be purely selfish means.  This guy is arguing contradictions.


Well, Libertarian dogma is a lot like Abrahamic dogma (and indeed most other kinds) - it means whatever you want it to mean.
 
2013-11-07 10:08:38 AM
DarnoKonrad: This guy is arguing contradictions.

Well look, DarnoKonrad, if he argues with you, he must take up a contrary position!

I've tried formulating coherent arguments with and about Libertarians - I really have. But I've found making Monty Python references is really the only sensible response in the end.

/YES IT IS!
 
2013-11-07 10:08:44 AM

toomuchwhargarbl: Fedoraheads for freedumbs!

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He's an armchair intellectual! The curse of saying that is people MIGHT challenge you on your thinking. The brony and ayn rand admission would have him brought to tears in the crowds I live in.
 
2013-11-07 10:09:40 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-07 10:10:10 AM

axeeugene: Your type make me puke, QueenMamaBee.


If I wanted abuse, I would have gone down the hallway
 
2013-11-07 10:10:41 AM
I was a libertarian in High school. I was also an asshole in high school, and if I met my high school self, I would punch me right in the face.
 
2013-11-07 10:12:01 AM
Sideburns. Weird-ass sideburns.

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2013-11-07 10:13:05 AM

UNC_Samurai: kxs401: All the Libertarians I know are either 20-something dudes who love weed and have very little idea what the federal government actually does or brilliant sociopaths who believe they would flourish in a country without a strong central government and therefore, screw you.

Anecdata!

I can't disagree.  I went through a dumb college libertarian phase.  Then I graduated and the real world slapped some sense into me.  Between wising up and watching the political spectrum around me being distorted, I'm now pretty damn liberal.


I understand some semblance of Libertarianism and, in some circumstances, it may actually work.  Trying to apply Libertarianism in the real world however, is suicidal at best.
 
2013-11-07 10:15:01 AM
What Libertarians do exceedingly well is sit on the sidelines, arms folded, and complain.

How is that different from Republicans?
 
2013-11-07 10:15:34 AM

Diogenes: Honestly, what does being a Libertarian mean beyond legalizing drugs, banging hookers and sitting by while the rest of the world blows itself up?

Well, there's also the self-centeredness and sociopathy.


That's Randians
 
2013-11-07 10:15:40 AM
"The word no longer has any meaning, no definition or parameters, certainly no coherent philosophy to speak of."

I suppose this is the case because "libertarian" is just the opposite of "authoritarian" and never had its own philosophy.  Certain flavors or communists called themselve libertarian communists to distinguish themselves from authoritarian communists.  In many respects the Green Party is libertarian.  It's a word that should be one peice of a political philosphy, because by itself it doesn't mean a whole lot.
 
2013-11-07 10:17:00 AM
Some people just want to watch the world burn. Others want to snort lines off a hooker's ass while the world burns.
 
2013-11-07 10:17:17 AM

toomuchwhargarbl: Fedoraheads for freedumbs!

[i.imgur.com image 430x538]


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/'nuff said
 
2013-11-07 10:17:26 AM
It used to be about defensive government, until they turned against healthcare.

It used to be about protection of property rights, until they decided that the greatest historical theft stealing from an entire people the payment for their work through centuries of slavery needed no retribution.

So yeah, now just hookers and blow, with undercurrents of racism.
 
2013-11-07 10:17:30 AM
This reminds me of how Democrats complained about the Greens following Al Gore's loss in 2000.
 
2013-11-07 10:17:31 AM
Townhall: "Libertarians don't conform to our conservative views enough"

Happens whenever a libertarian candidate steals votes from them.
 
2013-11-07 10:18:25 AM

Lost Thought 00: It means you are too much of a pussy to call yourself an Anarchist


CSB: Back in college, I was walking out of a record store one day, wearing a leather jacket festooned with my favorite punk band logos.  Some dude had a booth set up outside the store and tried to get me to sign up as a libertarian by telling me it was the closest thing to an anarcho-punk political party there was.

/CSB
 
2013-11-07 10:18:30 AM

toomuchwhargarbl: Fedoraheads for freedumbs!

[i.imgur.com image 430x538]


Hilarious.  Is this from your personal stash of profiles dredged from the depths of OKCupid?
 
2013-11-07 10:19:39 AM
I used to identify with the Libertarian Party... but I'm now more along the lines of the Modern Whig party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Whig
 
2013-11-07 10:20:05 AM
I guess I'd pass for libertarian here at Fark - that comes from watching the progressive model be at best an expensive mediocrity in my home state, and watching power seeking more power in Washington no matter who's in charge.

Call libertarianism the opposite of whatever the party that wants to play Santa Claus and the party that wants to play God are doing.
 
2013-11-07 10:20:22 AM

russlar: [i.imgur.com image 310x390]


If anyone missed the Unfrozen Caveman Libertarian thread, they should really check out it's epicness.
 
2013-11-07 10:21:17 AM

Karac: What Libertarians do exceedingly well is sit on the sidelines, arms folded, and complain.

How is that different from Republicans?


Libertarians spell better.
 
2013-11-07 10:21:38 AM

Karac: What Libertarians do exceedingly well is sit on the sidelines, arms folded, and complain.

How is that different from Republicans?


Republicans like to sit in the middle of the field, arms folded, and complain
 
2013-11-07 10:21:45 AM
Libertarian are also for the gold standard even though they have no idea what problem they'd solve by switching and are oblivious to any possible negative repercussions the switch may cause.
 
2013-11-07 10:22:01 AM

axeeugene: DarnoKonrad: This guy is arguing contradictions.

Well look, DarnoKonrad, if he argues with you, he must take up a contrary position!

I've tried formulating coherent arguments with and about Libertarians - I really have. But I've found making Monty Python references is really the only sensible response in the end.

/YES IT IS!


Seconded. Ni! Ni!
 
2013-11-07 10:23:18 AM
Well, subby convinced me.  Off to change affiliation.
 
2013-11-07 10:23:57 AM

Karac: What Libertarians do exceedingly well is sit on the sidelines, arms folded, and complain.

How is that different from Republicans?


They don't get opposed by others in their own party when they try and run for something.
 
2013-11-07 10:24:43 AM
Oh, and they used to be for the open right of migration for worker freedom, until they became xenophobic antiimmigration because they noticed some of those so-called workers are brown (or worse).
 
2013-11-07 10:25:07 AM
A link on the main page shows it means coughing up $20k to the fire department if they fight a fire at your home.
 
2013-11-07 10:25:39 AM

Gulper Eel: I guess I'd pass for libertarian here at Fark - that comes from watching the progressive model be at best an expensive mediocrity in my home state, and watching power seeking more power in Washington no matter who's in charge.

Call libertarianism the opposite of whatever the party that wants to play Santa Claus and the party that wants to play God are doing.


That isn't libertarianism. Greedy survivalist is more accurate. What you mean to say is your an independent that is a moderate. Unfortunate as that is.
 
2013-11-07 10:25:54 AM
Wanting smaller, less intrusive government and supporting personal liberty. What a bunch of greedy cave dwellers.
 
2013-11-07 10:26:44 AM
The GOP establishment is afraid of growing libertarianism inside their party...so they're taking a break from attacking gays, women and Democrats to attack libertarianism.  Color me shocked.  Actually, it's good news for libertarians that they consider libertarianism a threat to the status quo.

It's a pretty simple philosophy:   Socially liberal, fiscally conservative (non-crony capitalism), and a more non-interventionist foreign policy.  The author doesn't understand it...and judging by the lefty responses in this thread...neither do most farkers.
 
2013-11-07 10:26:49 AM

dwrash: I used to identify with the Libertarian Party... but I'm now more along the lines of the Modern Whig party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Whig


the meaningful distinctions are:
 
2013-11-07 10:27:32 AM

EWreckedSean: Wanting smaller, less intrusive government and supporting personal liberty. What a bunch of greedy cave dwellers.


The brand has been hijacked by people on the far right. Is Glenn Beck really a libertarian, or the socially conservative wing of the Tea Party?
 
2013-11-07 10:28:58 AM

slayer199: It's a pretty simple philosophy:


You can't even get Libertarians to agree what a Libertarian is in their own party.
 
2013-11-07 10:28:58 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/13/libertarianism-for-dummies/

Too long. Don't read.


Here's your problem, "Max Borders"

8. Myth: Libertarians agree on everything.
Here's a mini top ten list of things about which libertarians are fairly divided:
1.) Immigration
2.) Austrian or Chicago economics
3.) Abortion
4.) Origin of rights
5.) The status of children and teenagers
6.) War and pacifism
7.) Strategy of reform
8.) Tactics of reform
9.) Whether to compromise
10.) Intellectual property rights

They even disagree on what libertarianism is, I don't think they've exactly coalesced around the Max Bordersian definition.
 
2013-11-07 10:29:03 AM

kxs401: All the Libertarians I know are either 20-something dudes who love weed and have very little idea what the federal government actually does or brilliant sociopaths who believe they would flourish in a country without a strong central government and therefore, screw you.

Anecdata!


I'm 32, I have never smoked anything, I work for the federal government, and I want a properly sized nd scoped federal government.

So you think the war on drugs is a proper and effective use of resources, the government is always benevolent, and that power is always better centralized?
 
2013-11-07 10:29:50 AM
Anyone who thinks that Mises or Rothbard were awesome people should be sterilized. Immediately.
 
2013-11-07 10:30:38 AM

BMFPitt: and that power is always better centralized?


Even Jefferson recognized the need for a strong centralized federal government in a global world, lay off it already
 
2013-11-07 10:30:43 AM

Fart_Machine: slayer199: It's a pretty simple philosophy:

You can't even get Libertarians to agree what a Libertarian is in their own party.


I doubt any party completely agrees about its philosophy unless it's a party of one.
 
2013-11-07 10:30:51 AM

skullkrusher: Diogenes: Honestly, what does being a Libertarian mean beyond legalizing drugs, banging hookers and sitting by while the rest of the world blows itself up?

Well, there's also the self-centeredness and sociopathy.

That's Randians


Randians are narcissists, not sociopaths. They believe society is just jealous of how extra special they are and so tries to keep them down. Libertarians are closer to sociopaths because they usually recognize that societal structures help some people but want to get rid of them because they don't personally benefit.
 
2013-11-07 10:31:58 AM
jorts, mlp tee shirt
 
2013-11-07 10:32:04 AM

lockers: That isn't libertarianism. Greedy survivalist is more accurate.


So because, for example, my state spends as much on Medicaid than the next two largest states put together, without producing outcomes any better than the states that spend a shiatload less, and I think that's a damn stupid thing to do...I'm a greedy survivalist?

I take it you're with the Kris Kringle wing of the Democratic party.
 
2013-11-07 10:33:59 AM

kxs401: All the Libertarians I know are either 20-something dudes who love weed and have very little idea what the federal government actually does or brilliant sociopaths who believe they would flourish in a country without a strong central government and therefore, screw you.

Anecdata!


All the libertarians I know are early-30s tech sector workers with bad beards who think they're so much smarter than everyone else and can simply solve all the world's problems by letting markets do everything.

Need to protect children from exploitation? Let kidnappers take them and sell them in the sex trade. If the parents care enough, they will hire mercenaries to get them back.

Want to open up a medical practice even though you're not a doctor? After ten of your patients die your Yelp reviews will be so bad you won't be able to stay in business.
 
2013-11-07 10:34:11 AM
I put libertarianism up there with communism in the pantheon of BS political philosophies. Both fail for the same underlying reason, greed. Communism fails to take into account human greed and assumes everyone will be okay with sharing all the resources whereas libertarianism celebrates human greed and sociopathy and yet somehow assumes everything will turn out fine if we let these qualities run amok on a national scale.  We had a small taste of how a libertarian-style unregulated market would act with the sub-prime mortgage debacle and it almost broke the world economy. I shudder to think what would happen if we actually tried full implementation.

It's an interesting thought exercise but it quickly falls apart as a philosophy when subjected to even the slightest scrutiny.
 
2013-11-07 10:35:12 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: BMFPitt: and that power is always better centralized?

Even Jefferson recognized the need for a strong centralized federal government in a global world, lay off it already


Are you saying that you think the federal government should have unlimited power over everything, or just that you didn't understand what you were reading?
 
2013-11-07 10:36:03 AM
It means you're not sure how things work or why some laws were necessary in the first place, but you're pretty sure both sides are bad, but you're good so...,

it's basically for people who don't quite get what's happening, but want to act as though they are above it all without offering any real world solutions.

/had a brief bout of libertarianism in my early 20s
//I got better
 
2013-11-07 10:36:25 AM

Gulper Eel: lockers: That isn't libertarianism. Greedy survivalist is more accurate.

So because, for example, my state spends as much on Medicaid than the next two largest states put together, without producing outcomes any better than the states that spend a shiatload less, and I think that's a damn stupid thing to do...I'm a greedy survivalist?

I take it you're with the Kris Kringle wing of the Democratic party.


I blame the political conditioning. There are people so mentally... warped thanks to a constant barrage of "THOSE EXTREMISTS ARE COMING FOR YOU" that they only recognize "for my idea" and "against my idea" and nothing in between.

That or they're just stubborn hard liners.
 
2013-11-07 10:36:27 AM

Gulper Eel: lockers: That isn't libertarianism. Greedy survivalist is more accurate.

So because, for example, my state spends as much on Medicaid than the next two largest states put together, without producing outcomes any better than the states that spend a shiatload less, and I think that's a damn stupid thing to do...I'm a greedy survivalist?

I take it you're with the Kris Kringle wing of the Democratic party.


No, what I am telling you is libertarians are defined in whole as greedy survivalists. If you want to group yourself in with that, I won't stop or mock you, but that is who you are throwing in with. I think you are more likely an independent moderate, but there isn't a real good national party behind that.
 
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