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(CNN)   California high school has no idea why anyone would have a problem with a sports team named the 'Arabs'   (cnn.com) divider line 53
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2013-11-07 12:50:51 PM  
Change it to Redskins.
 
2013-11-07 12:58:32 PM  
The problem really lies in the unease it causes when the play-by-play says "The Arabs' QB has just thrown a bomb..."
 
2013-11-07 01:44:32 PM  
I found this interesting from another article:

Superintendent Darryl Adams said the mascot controversy will be discussed at the next school board meeting on Nov. 21. Adams would not say whether he planned to recommend a change of mascot, but admitted "the Arab" has given him pause in the past.

"When I first came here, I raised an eyebrow (at the mascot)," Adams said. "Being an African-American from the Deep South, I'm sensitive to stereotyping. But in this context, when this was created it was not meant in that way. It was totally an admiration of the connection with the Middle East."

According to the Coachella Valley High School Alumni Association, the Arab mascot was chosen in the 1920s to acknowledge the east valley's reliance on date farming, a traditionally Middle Eastern crop. Another link between the Middle East and the east valley can be seen in the name of the nearby community of Mecca, the association states.

Since it was created in the 1920s, the school's mascot has evolved from a turban-wearing horseman carrying a lance to a standing figure, wielding a scimitar and wearing a fez, to an older snarling face with a gold tooth and a headscarf.

www.kcet.org
 
2013-11-07 01:46:38 PM  

Nefarious: Change it to Redskins.


Change it to Ragheads if you want it to be the same as Redskins.
 
2013-11-07 01:51:18 PM  
i500.listal.com

We're almost out of gas...call the A-Rabs!
 
2013-11-07 01:52:26 PM  
Warriors code
 
2013-11-07 01:52:28 PM  

mediablitz: Nefarious: Change it to Redskins.

Change it to Ragheads if you want it to be the same as Redskins.


CSB: I once got called "raghead" and a "camel jockey" getting on the train back in 2002.

/not even Arab
//This is no more offensive than the Celtics
 
2013-11-07 01:52:59 PM  
Isn't the Hollywood High School mascot something arabic too?
 
2013-11-07 02:02:22 PM  

Sybarite: I found this interesting from another article:

Superintendent Darryl Adams said the mascot controversy will be discussed at the next school board meeting on Nov. 21. Adams would not say whether he planned to recommend a change of mascot, but admitted "the Arab" has given him pause in the past.

"When I first came here, I raised an eyebrow (at the mascot)," Adams said. "Being an African-American from the Deep South, I'm sensitive to stereotyping. But in this context, when this was created it was not meant in that way. It was totally an admiration of the connection with the Middle East."

According to the Coachella Valley High School Alumni Association, the Arab mascot was chosen in the 1920s to acknowledge the east valley's reliance on date farming, a traditionally Middle Eastern crop. Another link between the Middle East and the east valley can be seen in the name of the nearby community of Mecca, the association states.

Since it was created in the 1920s, the school's mascot has evolved from a turban-wearing horseman carrying a lance to a standing figure, wielding a scimitar and wearing a fez, to an older snarling face with a gold tooth and a headscarf.

[www.kcet.org image 460x193]


The first few actually look respectable... It got cruder over time.
 
2013-11-07 02:02:27 PM  

bennett311: Isn't the Hollywood High School mascot something arabic too?


They're the Sheiks:

hollywoodhigh60.com

They would've gone with Trojans...but USC already had that.
 
2013-11-07 02:06:33 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: mediablitz: Nefarious: Change it to Redskins.

Change it to Ragheads if you want it to be the same as Redskins.

CSB: I once got called "raghead" and a "camel jockey" getting on the train back in 2002.

/not even Arab
//This is no more offensive than the Celtics


WAT?
 
2013-11-07 02:07:21 PM  
Would a team called the Germans or the French be considered bad? Or a team called the Japanese or Chinese?
 
2013-11-07 02:08:32 PM  

mediablitz: UrukHaiGuyz: mediablitz: Nefarious: Change it to Redskins.

Change it to Ragheads if you want it to be the same as Redskins.

CSB: I once got called "raghead" and a "camel jockey" getting on the train back in 2002.

/not even Arab
//This is no more offensive than the Celtics

WAT?


The team name, I mean, not the racist insults.
 
2013-11-07 02:13:48 PM  
They should name their team the Americans and then dare their opponents to criticize Americans.
 
2013-11-07 02:15:38 PM  

I Browse: bennett311: Isn't the Hollywood High School mascot something arabic too?

They're the Sheiks:

[hollywoodhigh60.com image 400x280]

They would've gone with Trojans...but USC already had that.


guyism.com
 
2013-11-07 02:21:19 PM  
"Arab" is derogatory now?

Guess we need a new name for the UAE, then.
 
2013-11-07 02:26:06 PM  
Is that word a "slur" now too?
 
2013-11-07 02:27:04 PM  

Slow To Return: "Arab" is derogatory now?

Guess we need a new name for the UAE, then.


Yes, it is very in-sultan
 
2013-11-07 02:27:21 PM  

Slow To Return: "Arab" is derogatory now?

Guess we need a new name for the UAE, then.


It's the mascot, not the name that's derogatory.  The people offended by the name in and of itself are likely just islamophobes who would have no problem with the team instead being called Sand Ni-*BONNNNGGGGG*s
 
2013-11-07 02:27:59 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Slow To Return: "Arab" is derogatory now?

Guess we need a new name for the UAE, then.

Yes, it is very in-sultan


They should just learn to sheik it off.
 
2013-11-07 02:32:09 PM  
Change the team name to Crusaders and send a nice letter to the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee thanking them for bringing the offensiveness of the term "Arab" to their attention.
 
2013-11-07 02:49:00 PM  

Slow To Return: "Arab" is derogatory now?

Guess we need a new name for the UAE, then.


FTA:
The school has a mascot that "depicts a man with a large nose, heavy beard, and wearing" a traditional head covering, the group said.

During halftime, "a female dressed as belly dancer entertains the mascot by dancing for him," it added.
 
2013-11-07 03:17:40 PM  
No one demands that Indians change their damn team name (at least no one taken seriously).

Why the fark would anyone be offended by this? Teams are named after things that are:

1. Bad-ass-farking-names
2. Sponsors name
3. Something that made sense a long time ago but might not have validity these days

Guess which one they are named after? Number 1!
 
2013-11-07 03:18:01 PM  

Arkanaut: Slow To Return: "Arab" is derogatory now?

Guess we need a new name for the UAE, then.

FTA:
The school has a mascot that "depicts a man with a large nose, heavy beard, and wearing" a traditional head covering, the group said.

During halftime, "a female dressed as belly dancer entertains the mascot by dancing for him," it added.


If you were going to design an Arab mascot, how would YOU design it?

Or an Irish mascot?  or a Viking?  Or a Celtic?
 
2013-11-07 03:34:11 PM  

Slow To Return: Arkanaut: Slow To Return: "Arab" is derogatory now?

Guess we need a new name for the UAE, then.

FTA:
The school has a mascot that "depicts a man with a large nose, heavy beard, and wearing" a traditional head covering, the group said.

During halftime, "a female dressed as belly dancer entertains the mascot by dancing for him," it added.

If you were going to design an Arab mascot, how would YOU design it?

Or an Irish mascot?  or a Viking?  Or a Celtic?


These days I'd advise against doing it in the first place.  Characterizing a people by any stereotypes, positive or negative, is frowned upon.  I'd make an exception for a local people -- the Utes for Univ of Utah, or the Illini in UIUC (although I understand that's controversial too) but then I'm not really familiar enough with either to tell you what design elements to use.  You could confer with the community being honored or represented.

I guess there's also long-dead peoples like the Trojans or Spartans, none of them are around anymore to complain.
 
2013-11-07 03:44:48 PM  
The National Congress of American Indians posted an ad recently which helps people to see the racism in things like this.

www.angryasianman.com
 
WGJ
2013-11-07 03:59:54 PM  

Teaser: The National Congress of American Indians posted an ad recently which helps people to see the racism in things like this.

[www.angryasianman.com image 640x427]


Where can I get those hats?
 
2013-11-07 04:08:08 PM  

Teaser: The National Congress of American Indians posted an ad recently which helps people to see the racism in things like this.

[www.angryasianman.com image 640x427]


I would totally root for the Jews.  And this is coming from someone who thinks "Redskins" should be changed ASAP.
 
2013-11-07 04:14:45 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: Teaser: The National Congress of American Indians posted an ad recently which helps people to see the racism in things like this.

[www.angryasianman.com image 640x427]

I would totally root for the Jews.  And this is coming from someone who thinks "Redskins" should be changed ASAP.


Moses parting the Red sea at a basketball game GO JEWS
 
2013-11-07 04:45:24 PM  

Arkanaut: These days I'd advise against doing it in the first place. Characterizing a people by any stereotypes, positive or negative, is frowned upon. I'd make an exception for a local people -- the Utes for Univ of Utah, or the Illini in UIUC (although I understand that's controversial too) but then I'm not really familiar enough with either to tell you what design elements to use. You could confer with the community being honored or represented.

I guess there's also long-dead peoples like the Trojans or Spartans, none of them are around anymore to complain.


I get that the mascot may need a gentler make-over, particularly the nose.  But if you're going to draw an Arab, 100 times out a 100, aren't you going to include a turban and probably a beard?  You need to have something to uniquely identify your character as being an Arab.
 
2013-11-07 04:47:43 PM  

Slow To Return: Arkanaut: These days I'd advise against doing it in the first place. Characterizing a people by any stereotypes, positive or negative, is frowned upon. I'd make an exception for a local people -- the Utes for Univ of Utah, or the Illini in UIUC (although I understand that's controversial too) but then I'm not really familiar enough with either to tell you what design elements to use. You could confer with the community being honored or represented.

I guess there's also long-dead peoples like the Trojans or Spartans, none of them are around anymore to complain.

I get that the mascot may need a gentler make-over, particularly the nose.  But if you're going to draw an Arab, 100 times out a 100, aren't you going to include a turban and probably a beard?  You need to have something to uniquely identify your character as being an Arab.


Duh, suicide vest.
 
2013-11-07 05:01:05 PM  

Arkanaut: During halftime, "a female dressed as belly dancer entertains the mascot by dancing for him," it added.


www.picgifs.com  www.picgifs.com  www.picgifs.com  www.picgifs.com


/what animated gifs used to be!
 
2013-11-07 05:20:01 PM  
DNRTFA: Are people of Arab decent that are offended or people that dislike brown people offended.?
 
2013-11-07 05:47:29 PM  

mikaloyd: Olympic Trolling Judge: Teaser: The National Congress of American Indians posted an ad recently which helps people to see the racism in things like this.

[www.angryasianman.com image 640x427]

I would totally root for the Jews.  And this is coming from someone who thinks "Redskins" should be changed ASAP.

Moses parting the Red sea at a basketball game GO JEWS


THAT was funny.
 
2013-11-07 05:53:33 PM  
They should have named themselves the Mexicans, and then came up with totally-not-racist mascots of stereotypes.
 
2013-11-07 06:15:27 PM  

Slow To Return: "Arab" is derogatory now?

Guess we need a new name for the UAE, then.





T.E. Lawrence: We do not work this thing for Feisal.

Auda abu Tayi: No? For the English, then?

T.E. Lawrence: For the Arabs.

Auda abu Tayi: The Arabs? The Howitat, Ajili, Rala, Beni Saha; these I know, I have even heard of the Harif, but the Arabs? What tribe is that?
 
2013-11-07 06:28:09 PM  
Because they are 'THE Rabs'!
 
2013-11-07 06:37:33 PM  
www.ruleworks.co.uk

It's been done

 
2013-11-07 06:52:42 PM  

Teaser: The National Congress of American Indians posted an ad recently which helps people to see the racism in things like this.

[www.angryasianman.com image 640x427]


As a Chinese-American who lived in SF for just short of 2 years, I want the Chinamen hat...
 
2013-11-07 07:30:51 PM  

Slow To Return: "Arab" is derogatory now?

Guess we need a new name for the UAE, then.


Sand N*ggers?
 
2013-11-07 07:31:55 PM  

Teaser: The National Congress of American Indians posted an ad recently which helps people to see the racism in things like this.

[www.angryasianman.com image 640x427]


I think it's funny that they're out there trying to make this point and they're still thinking "there's no way in hell we're doing one for black people."
 
2013-11-07 08:24:25 PM  

Faddy: [www.ruleworks.co.uk image 700x368]It's been done


I was going to mention Dundee United but I see it has been done already.
 
2013-11-07 09:07:22 PM  

Slow To Return: Arkanaut: These days I'd advise against doing it in the first place. Characterizing a people by any stereotypes, positive or negative, is frowned upon. I'd make an exception for a local people -- the Utes for Univ of Utah, or the Illini in UIUC (although I understand that's controversial too) but then I'm not really familiar enough with either to tell you what design elements to use. You could confer with the community being honored or represented.

I guess there's also long-dead peoples like the Trojans or Spartans, none of them are around anymore to complain.

I get that the mascot may need a gentler make-over, particularly the nose.  But if you're going to draw an Arab, 100 times out a 100, aren't you going to include a turban and probably a beard?  You need to have something to uniquely identify your character as being an Arab.


I don't think the illini part was the problem...it was the white frat boy who came out at halftime in a traditional Native American headdress and performed a pow-wow dance to a mix of drums and MC Hammer or something. Thankfully, that part was eventually retired.
 
2013-11-07 09:08:26 PM  
Well I do think they should change the name of the Washington Redskins to something more relevant to today's world, like the Washington Buttkissers.
 
2013-11-07 09:34:55 PM  

Teaser: The National Congress of American Indians posted an ad recently which helps people to see the racism in things like this.

[www.angryasianman.com image 640x427]


They seriously needed to include the Notre Dame logo and team name in there.

/Irish-American
//tall, not drunk, not violent, no red hair
 
2013-11-07 10:43:00 PM  
Simple change: Change name to Saracens, and then pickup the horseman with the spear in Sybarite's post. Archaic, and appeals to the old badass times in history. Maybe it will grab the Chicago Blackhawks style of respect rather than the Washington Redskins ire. But ... probably will be someone who says it's like going from San Francisco Chinamen to San Francisco Orientals.

I've also seen college newspapers get irked about the name Warriors ... a community college in my neighborhood, El Camino, raised a stink about the political correctness of it. I think Hawaii have had problems with their Warrior too, but mostly for the Rainbow part of the name.
 
2013-11-07 11:19:47 PM  

Cybernetic: mikaloyd: Olympic Trolling Judge: Teaser: The National Congress of American Indians posted an ad recently which helps people to see the racism in things like this.

[www.angryasianman.com image 640x427]

I would totally root for the Jews.  And this is coming from someone who thinks "Redskins" should be changed ASAP.

Moses parting the Red sea at a basketball game GO JEWS

THAT was funny.


You know, I was sort of on the train that "Yeah you guys should probably think about changing the redskins name" but now I'm thinking "No we need to go completely the other direction so we can have legions of sports fans cheering for the Jews.  Now sure it will be a terrible caricature of them, but on the bright side you'll have back woods yokels who will be all "Well I'll be, an actual Jew, you guys play football good, you're my favorite sports team. Go Jews!"
 
2013-11-08 12:04:56 AM  

Practical_Draconian: Simple change: Change name to Saracens, and then pickup the horseman with the spear in Sybarite's post. Archaic, and appeals to the old badass times in history. Maybe it will grab the Chicago Blackhawks style of respect rather than the Washington Redskins ire. But ... probably will be someone who says it's like going from San Francisco Chinamen to San Francisco Orientals.

I've also seen college newspapers get irked about the name Warriors ... a community college in my neighborhood, El Camino, raised a stink about the political correctness of it. I think Hawaii have had problems with their Warrior too, but mostly for the Rainbow part of the name.


I think it'd be more appropriate to choose some type of warrior associated with Arab culture such as the jannisaries or the rashidun.  Instead of stereotyping the culture, you're adopting the warrior mentality of that culture and hopefully using more faithful representations without making them characterizations.
 
2013-11-08 01:50:45 AM  

Summoner101: Practical_Draconian: Simple change: Change name to Saracens, and then pickup the horseman with the spear in Sybarite's post. Archaic, and appeals to the old badass times in history. Maybe it will grab the Chicago Blackhawks style of respect rather than the Washington Redskins ire. But ... probably will be someone who says it's like going from San Francisco Chinamen to San Francisco Orientals.

I've also seen college newspapers get irked about the name Warriors ... a community college in my neighborhood, El Camino, raised a stink about the political correctness of it. I think Hawaii have had problems with their Warrior too, but mostly for the Rainbow part of the name.

I think it'd be more appropriate to choose some type of warrior associated with Arab culture such as the jannisaries or the rashidun.  Instead of stereotyping the culture, you're adopting the warrior mentality of that culture and hopefully using more faithful representations without making them characterizations.


Sorry to nitpick but the Jannisaries were the infantry for the Ottoman Turks and not the Arabs.  I was going to suggest the Mamluks instead but than realized (1) they were mostly non-Arab and (2) were originally slaves pressed into service as soldiers.

I agree that Saracens would work better than Arabs (especially, as you suggested, if they also use the horseman pictured in Sybarite's post).  There's just something that's both classical and cool about the name and the old school logo.  In fact, I'm guessing most of the outrage about the use of Arab has to do with the grimy cartoon stereotype the school's now using as the mascot.
 
2013-11-08 08:56:27 AM  
Why don't we just call everyone Blah Team one and Blah team two, etc?  There could be something made of just about any team mascot.

I always thought that a mascot represented a strong force to be dealt with, and a rallying figure for the crowds.
 
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