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(NYPost)   The newest vicious man-eating animal to be added to the endangered species list? The Pembroke Welsh corgi   (nypost.com) divider line 60
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2013-11-07 08:30:21 AM  
One club doesn't have a lot "registered." Okay, that's not exactly what I'd consider as going extinct.

I'm still going to buy one and dress him as thor
 
2013-11-07 08:32:03 AM  
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Inconsolable
 
2013-11-07 08:32:07 AM  
Yes, because the New York Post is a bastion of truth, and purveyor of facts.....NEXT!
 
2013-11-07 08:35:24 AM  
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corgi thread!
 
2013-11-07 08:44:26 AM  
This is the dumbest thing I've ever read, but I'll take any excuse for a corgi thread.

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2013-11-07 08:53:53 AM  
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2013-11-07 08:57:29 AM  
They aren't common, that's for sure.

Perhaps it's because they rival the Daschund for orneriness.
 
2013-11-07 09:05:02 AM  

Valiente: They aren't common, that's for sure.

Perhaps it's because they rival the Daschund for orneriness.


Every corgi I've ever met has been the perfect little companion.  Hell, when they're glad to see you
their entire back half wags (mostly because they don't have tails), and they can leap about a meter high.

/If you're talking about inbred purebreeds, though, I might concede the point.
 
2013-11-07 09:06:37 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Valiente: They aren't common, that's for sure.

Perhaps it's because they rival the Daschund for orneriness.

Every corgi I've ever met has been the perfect little companion.  Hell, when they're glad to see you
their entire back half wags (mostly because they don't have tails), and they can leap about a meter high.

/If you're talking about inbred purebreeds, though, I might concede the point.


i like corgis, and i like dachsunds, but my preferred dog is the boxer/bulldog mix. They have energy, but not too much.
 
2013-11-07 09:12:00 AM  
1) The basic premise of the article seems to be that it's wrong not to let people mutilate their dogs ("tail docking").

2) I thought kennel clubs demanded show dogs be intact and complete in every way.

3) If the NY Post were a newborn baby, I would happy take it out and drown it, just to save the world from all teh damage its done.
 
2013-11-07 09:12:27 AM  
Oh boohoo, we're not allowed to dock their tails anymore.
 
2013-11-07 09:18:52 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: 2) I thought kennel clubs demanded show dogs be intact and complete in every way.


Tail docking apparently doesn't count for that, if the breed calls for it.

Dog shows are essentially networking events for dog breeders. People get to see who is producing the best examples of the breed with the least health problems, and when they favor those breeders, the breeds get better. This is why dog shows (and analogous event for other animals) typically require the contestants to be intact. For a spayed or neutered animal to compete would be missing the point.

Some places have started up their own shows for spayed and neutered animals, though. Nothing wrong with that, though it does strike closer to the image of gratuitous "OMG look I gots the best doggie" competitions that many people think dog shows in general are about.
 
2013-11-07 09:23:11 AM  
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2013-11-07 09:24:20 AM  

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Inconsolable


I named my rescue corgi Ein because of that show. Loveable little scamp with a bark like a canon blast.
 
2013-11-07 09:33:04 AM  
It's only endangered as a "native breed" in Great Britain.

There's a lot of Corgis in the US. I found one US Corgi club that has over 12,000 members, so it's a safe bet there are more actual dogs than that running around.
 
2013-11-07 09:36:50 AM  
Corgi thread?

Corgi thread!!!

Pics of my boy:

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2013-11-07 09:37:05 AM  

facisto: HeartBurnKid: [c3e308.medialib.glogster.com image 640x466]

Inconsolable

I named my rescue corgi Ein because of that show. Loveable little scamp with a bark like a canon blast.


Yeah, when I first got my corgi I named him Zwei... couldn't call him Ein because he was tri-color and not tan-n-white.  Still, I also got one that wasn't AKC standard... which I guess means he doesn't count.  Don't really give a shiat though, as being AKC certified is like slapping a warning label on the dog that reads 'expect physical problems'.

He's called Slinky now and is a perfectly healthy 9-year-old corgi.  It's really doubtful they'd ever disappear or be forgotten.  They're cute, relatively famous, and are pretty compatible with most living environments.  Honestly, if the Pembroke Corgi is starting to show signs of faltering, what the hell's happening to it's forgotten cousin, the Cardigan Corgi?

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2013-11-07 09:40:43 AM  
Screw Corgis. I love my mutt, and he's a Jack Russell mix. Other Ryan his habit of stealing socks from the laundry, he's awesome.
 
2013-11-07 09:41:15 AM  

Millennium: Dwight_Yeast: 2) I thought kennel clubs demanded show dogs be intact and complete in every way.

Tail docking apparently doesn't count for that, if the breed calls for it.

Dog shows are essentially networking events for dog breeders. People get to see who is producing the best examples of the breed with the least health problems, and when they favor those breeders, the breeds get better.


And when they favor extremist breeders the breeds get worse.  The major problem in dog shows is the hiring of a single "all-rounder" judge.  The judge that is supposed to know everything about every breed usually doesn't know half of what they need to know about any breed.  In breeds where really nice fur and the ability to walk on a leash without biting anyone are of paramount importance this kind of judge is OK. But a breed where a big head or a "sloping top line" have entered the breed standard you get bad results, like Bulldogs than can only be birthed by C Section or German Shepards where crazy back angulation has led to horrendous joint problems.  Or breeds like Greyhounds where "fast" can't be judged by how they trot so other breed characteristics have been favored.
 
2013-11-07 09:51:17 AM  
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2013-11-07 09:51:21 AM  
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2013-11-07 09:52:12 AM  
You'd think with the corgis being a favored dog by the Queen, there'd be more corgis in the UK

Also, corgi thread, very nice
/used to have a pair back when I was in highschool
//not a breeding pair oddly enough, the biatch wouldn't let him, and would actually run around and try to uhm, jump the male
///she later mated with a shelty, after she got loose at a family members place and then had a litter of walking furballs
////mom kept one and called it fluff
 
2013-11-07 10:00:14 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: 2) I thought kennel clubs demanded show dogs be intact and complete in every way.


Styles & sensibilities in show dogs come and go.  Docking tails and cropping ears has been on the decline for years now (thank God), but mostly in Europe.  In the UK, if you had your dog's tail docked and/or ears cropped 2007, you're not allowed to show it.   AKC allows dogs to be shown w/uncropped ears and undocked tails but there's still a penalty.

Pembroke Welsh Corgis have a gene that creates a naturally bobbed tail.  The breed won't become "extinct" if the breeders do their freakin' jobs and breed for that trait.

/Docking & cropping are cruel, ridiculous practices.  There was a reason for it centuries ago, when the dogs were working/hunting but for pets, you're just being an asshole.
 
2013-11-07 10:02:08 AM  
In the UK, if you had your dog's tail docked and/or ears cropped AFTER 2007, you're not allowed to show it.

/FTFM
 
2013-11-07 10:10:04 AM  
I admit, I someday want to get a Corgi and call it The Doctor. I'm not even a huge whoovian, I just think it would be amusing.

/And I really, reaaallly want a corgi.
//But right now wife and I are away from home too much of the day to give one the attention/stimulation it'd need, so no corgi for us right now.
 
2013-11-07 10:13:13 AM  
WIP
 
2013-11-07 10:37:54 AM  
Best Corgi EVAR!!:

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2013-11-07 10:53:39 AM  
Species become endangered. Dog breeds are not a species, but a result of inbreeding for physical appearance.
 
2013-11-07 10:54:39 AM  
Seriously,  Subby. "Endangered Species" would imply whatever you are talking about is a  Species, rather than a subset of a species that might be endangered on one island.
 
2013-11-07 11:24:12 AM  
Corgi Thread!

Here's our Evee, rescued in March:

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We were rather surprised when she turned out to realllllly like water:
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And the whole extended Corgi family (I grew up with them, and now my parents, my sister/HIL and I/my wife all have them):
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2013-11-07 11:24:45 AM  
I don't get the ear-lopping, tail-docking thing... It's like if you have baby, and you say "Gee, you know this would be a much better kid if we lopped off a toe."
 
2013-11-07 11:31:22 AM  

GibbyTheMole: I don't get the ear-lopping, tail-docking thing... It's like if you have baby, and you say "Gee, you know this would be a much better kid if we lopped off a toe the end of its weenis."

 
2013-11-07 11:32:10 AM  
paswa17:
Seriously, Subby. "Endangered Species" would imply whatever you are talking about is a Species, rather than a subset of a species that might be endangered on one island.

That's the funny part.

If you find two different mostly-identical groups of frogs separated by a couple of miles, and one is 5% larger than the other with a different coloration, they're two different species, even if they can technically interbreed.

If you have two different breeds of dogs (say, Teacup Chihuahuas and Russian Wolfhounds) that look incredibly different and can't really interbreed at all without some serious help, they're one species.
 
2013-11-07 11:53:24 AM  
"The cuteness shortage may be linked to the country's 2007 ban on tail-docking, which breeders say make corgis less desirable show dogs, London's Daily Telegraph reported. "

That statement is wrong in so many ways.  Dog shows need to end.
 
2013-11-07 11:59:12 AM  

GibbyTheMole: I don't get the ear-lopping, tail-docking thing... It's like if you have baby, and you say "Gee, you know this would be a much better kid if we lopped off a toe."


As a circumcised male I'd imagine that they get over it
 
2013-11-07 12:00:58 PM  

Valiente: They aren't common, that's for sure.

Perhaps it's because they rival the Daschund for orneriness.


As a long time Dachshund owner I have to ask it the personalities are similar?

/R.I.P. Little Buckaroo, July 1996-Nov. 2013
 
2013-11-07 12:05:13 PM  

GibbyTheMole: I don't get the ear-lopping, tail-docking thing... It's like if you have baby, and you say "Gee, you know this would be a much better kid if we lopped off a toe."


For dogs that work cattle, tail docking keeps them from getting stepped on.
 
2013-11-07 12:19:49 PM  
A boxer fan told me you almost have to dock their tails because they have become so fragile, they will break all the time or even get torn off.  Is this true?
 
2013-11-07 12:22:48 PM  

Felgraf: I admit, I someday want to get a Corgi and call it The Doctor. I'm not even a huge whoovian, I just think it would be amusing.

/And I really, reaaallly want a corgi.
//But right now wife and I are away from home too much of the day to give one the attention/stimulation it'd need, so no corgi for us right now.


We have a Corgi who spends a lot of her time alone, and she's a perfectly healthy, happy dog.
 
2013-11-07 12:24:36 PM  

ArkPanda: A boxer fan told me you almost have to dock their tails because they have become so fragile, they will break all the time or even get torn off.  Is this true?


Some dogs end up with such long thin tails that when they wag 'em, of they hit anything its easy for them to split.

And then they end up flinging blood everywhere as they wag their tails obliviously...
So yea, for some breeds it really does make sense.

No such reason exists for ear cropping that I am aware of. And most dogs that people associate with cut ears look so much cuter with natural ears. Dobermans, lookin' at you in particular.
 
2013-11-07 12:32:15 PM  

Psylence: ArkPanda: A boxer fan told me you almost have to dock their tails because they have become so fragile, they will break all the time or even get torn off.  Is this true?

Some dogs end up with such long thin tails that when they wag 'em, of they hit anything its easy for them to split.

And then they end up flinging blood everywhere as they wag their tails obliviously...
So yea, for some breeds it really does make sense.

No such reason exists for ear cropping that I am aware of. And most dogs that people associate with cut ears look so much cuter with natural ears. Dobermans, lookin' at you in particular.


Ear cropping if for fighting dogs mainly
 
2013-11-07 12:51:32 PM  
Pembrokes with tails tend to have this weird curly fluffy thing. I don't think they're of risk of self-injury like boxers or the like, but as stated are only really docked for 1. safety with cattle, or 2. show standards/breed inertia.

Some (like our corgi) are actually born without a tail now (I can't find any references on percentages), and I believe that there are efforts being made to breed that more fully into the... er, breed.
 
2013-11-07 01:02:47 PM  
Sh*t like this makes me question evolution; this type of dog actually evolved? What kind of strategic advantages does this form offer?

/r.i.p. knuckles
//don't ask for 'a dog' for christmas or you get a $25 mutt from the pound
 
2013-11-07 01:06:16 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: "The cuteness shortage may be linked to the country's 2007 ban on tail-docking, which breeders say make corgis less desirable show dogs, London's Daily Telegraph reported. "

That statement is wrong in so many ways.  Dog shows need to end.


Dog shows really just hose up everything about the social perspective of dogs. Which is why some of the groups are ending up deformed and/or retarded for the sake of 'purebreeding'. They're likely why mutts are often looked down upon. Fark them. My chow chow/akita mix was beautiful and has way more genes than their English Bulldog that can't even fark on his own and will likely die years before his fur goes even grey.

/little ranty
//farking hate dog shows and their standards.
 
2013-11-07 01:18:05 PM  

ArkPanda: A boxer fan told me you almost have to dock their tails because they have become so fragile, they will break all the time or even get torn off.  Is this true?


There's a few reasons to dock tails. For the corgi, it was bred as a cattle dog, so no tail means one less appendage for the cattle to step in. But if it's not being used as a cattle dog, docking the tail means nothing.
 
2013-11-07 01:27:07 PM  
I'll post pics when I get home but my wife and I have what we are convinced is a Corgi/Red Heeler mix.

/He eats everying
 
2013-11-07 02:25:09 PM  
 
2013-11-07 02:57:01 PM  
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2013-11-07 02:59:52 PM  

phillydrifter: Sh*t like this makes me question evolution; this type of dog actually evolved? What kind of strategic advantages does this form offer?


If only there were some world-wide aglomeration of knowledge that could answer that question.

Oh look!  from Wikipedia:
 Corgis are herding dogs, and perform their duties by nipping at the heels; the dog's low stature allows it to avoid being kicked in the process. As herding dogs, corgis work livestock differently than other breeds. Instead of gathering the cattle the way a collie would, by running around the livestock, corgis drive the herd forward by nipping at their heels and working them from behind in semicircles. Seldom giving ground, if an animal should turn and charge, the corgi will bite its nose, causing it to turn and rejoin the herd.[3] Although they specialize in herding cattle, corgis are also used to herd sheep and Welsh ponies.[5] They are also one of the few breeds able to herd geese.


Welsh corgis also guarded children and were pets.
 
2013-11-07 04:46:29 PM  
Simon/Honeydew would be heartbroken.
 
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