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2013-11-07 12:37:23 PM

ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Faith does a lot of inspire a person to do better for themselves and for others and history backs that up.

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Yeah you're probably right, I can't off hand think of an instance where faith ever hurt anybody.

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Well religion is a sword that cuts both ways to be sure.

Ah, the old false equivalency..... Please explain to us all how even one of those things contributes to the betterment and development of all humanity. Which is the logical counter point to the harm religion does. Or for that matter explain to us how admittedly exquisite works of art mitigate the I'm going to go ahead and say hundreds of millions of lives "faith" has taken in the name of superstition? But all this academic really, the facts of the matter are he violated the law and school board policy repeatedly after being given more chances than he probably desrved. So go cry to someone else. People like you always seem to forget that responsibilities come part and parcel with freedom, and one of those responsibilities especially if you are employed by the local, state or federal government is to not try and force your beliefs on others. You are never going to win this, you are objectively and demonstrably wrong period. Perpetuating this is just making you look even more stupid and/or dishonest so just save you moral outrage for your annual phony made up  war on christmas. It should only be a couple of weeks before you guys can ...


So the inspiration and subsequent creation of beauty is just a waste of time to you? Also I'm sure every NASA scientist ever never went to church or was instilled with the work ethic of Protestantism. Yeah, no one would ever kill anyone else if there had never been religion.  Also, I never said there's a war on Christmas.  The only way you're "winning" your argument is assigning extreme views to me that I do not hold.  I said it's fine that he was fired for insubordination.  What I disagree with is this guy getting lambasted for practicing his beliefs.  He could have been praying to Xenu every morning in front of children and I wouldn't have a problem with it even if he is working for the State.  Furthermore, I'm not a Christian, I just appreciate that faith is good thing.
 
2013-11-07 12:40:25 PM

DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Faith does a lot of inspire a person to do better for themselves and for others and history backs that up.

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Yeah you're probably right, I can't off hand think of an instance where faith ever hurt anybody.

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Well religion is a sword that cuts both ways to be sure.

Ah, the old false equivalency..... Please explain to us all how even one of those things contributes to the betterment and development of all humanity. Which is the logical counter point to the harm religion does. Or for that matter explain to us how admittedly exquisite works of art mitigate the I'm going to go ahead and say hundreds of millions of lives "faith" has taken in the name of superstition? But all this academic really, the facts of the matter are he violated the law and school board policy repeatedly after being given more chances than he probably desrved. So go cry to someone else. People like you always seem to forget that responsibilities come part and parcel with freedom, and one of those responsibilities especially if you are employed by the local, state or federal government is to not try and force your beliefs on others. You are never going to win this, you are objectively and demonstrably wrong period. Perpetuating this is just making you look even more stupid and/or dishonest so just save you moral outrage for your annual phony made up  war on christmas. It should only be a couple of weeks before ...


Are you still talking?
 
2013-11-07 12:41:43 PM

ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Faith does a lot of inspire a person to do better for themselves and for others and history backs that up.

[whgbetc.com image 367x344]

[medievalchristianityd.wikispaces.com image 325x255]

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Yeah you're probably right, I can't off hand think of an instance where faith ever hurt anybody.

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Well religion is a sword that cuts both ways to be sure.

Ah, the old false equivalency..... Please explain to us all how even one of those things contributes to the betterment and development of all humanity. Which is the logical counter point to the harm religion does. Or for that matter explain to us how admittedly exquisite works of art mitigate the I'm going to go ahead and say hundreds of millions of lives "faith" has taken in the name of superstition? But all this academic really, the facts of the matter are he violated the law and school board policy repeatedly after being given more chances than he probably desrved. So go cry to someone else. People like you always seem to forget that responsibilities come part and parcel with freedom, and one of those responsibilities especially if you are employed by the local, state or federal government is to not try and force your beliefs on others. You are never going to win this, you are objectively and demonstrably wrong period. Perpetuating this is just making you look even more stupid and/or dishonest so just save you moral outrage for your annual phony made up  war on christmas. It should only be a couple of ...


Oh are you going to shut out other opinions like a good fundamentalist now?
 
2013-11-07 12:47:56 PM
The guy that reported this story originally (the video link) is a friend of mine, I think he did a fair job of it as he always does.  He's also a devout Christian, but you wouldn't know that from seeing him on TV because his job requires him to keep his personal beliefs out of his reporting as much as he can.  He does get into it a little bit when it comes up in conversation off camera, but he leads by example--by being a good man, and by not imposing his beliefs on others, especially those who do not share them.  Quite the opposite of preacher guy bus driver.

Also noted that preacher guy bus driver preaches at Church Of Minneapolis, which has a "pray-away-the-gay" program they're especially proud of.  I wonder how he'd deal with an openly gay kid on his bus.
 
2013-11-07 12:52:41 PM

DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Faith does a lot of inspire a person to do better for themselves and for others and history backs that up.

[whgbetc.com image 367x344]

[medievalchristianityd.wikispaces.com image 325x255]

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Yeah you're probably right, I can't off hand think of an instance where faith ever hurt anybody.

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Well religion is a sword that cuts both ways to be sure.

Ah, the old false equivalency..... Please explain to us all how even one of those things contributes to the betterment and development of all humanity. Which is the logical counter point to the harm religion does. Or for that matter explain to us how admittedly exquisite works of art mitigate the I'm going to go ahead and say hundreds of millions of lives "faith" has taken in the name of superstition? But all this academic really, the facts of the matter are he violated the law and school board policy repeatedly after being given more chances than he probably desrved. So go cry to someone else. People like you always seem to forget that responsibilities come part and parcel with freedom, and one of those responsibilities especially if you are employed by the local, state or federal government is to not try and force your beliefs on others. You are never going to win this, you are objectively and demonstrably wrong period. Perpetuating this is just making you look even more stupid and/or dishonest so just save you moral outrage for your annual phony made up  war on christmas. It should only be a couple of weeks before you guys can ...

So the inspiration and subsequent creation of beauty is just a waste of time to you? Also I'm sure every NASA scientist ever never went to church or was instilled with the work ethic of Protestantism. Yeah, no one would ever kill anyone else if there had never been religion.  Also, I never said there's a war on Christmas.  The only way you're "winning" your argument is assigning extreme views to me that I do not hold.  I said it's fine that he was fired for insubordination.  What I disagree with is this guy getting lambasted for practicing his beliefs.  He could have been praying to Xenu every morning in front of children and I wouldn't have a problem with it even if he is working for the State.  Furthermore, I'm not a Christian, I just appreciate that faith is good thing.


Btw, people like to say that the church was responsible for nearly all art and culture of the middle ages, but this only appears to be the case to modern audiences because they systematically destroyed nearly piece of art and cultural accomplishment that failed to show adequate deference to their political power.
 
2013-11-07 12:53:14 PM

DubtodaIll: Again, I agree if he's being insubordinate.  However, one of the tenants of Christianity is to proselytize.  Forcing someone to selectively ignore tenants of their religion that they choose to practice should be protected under the First Amendment regardless of who it offends.  That's freedom.


You can't actually believe this. Proselytizing is done in an effort to convert nonbelievers. Are you honestly saying you'd be alright with a muslim actively trying to convert a busload of unsupervised children to Islam? What if he was a Satanist?

Rastafarianism is a recognized religion that considers the consumption of cannabis as a sacrament. Should he be allowed to blaze up while driving, in order to avoid religiously persecuting him?
 
2013-11-07 12:57:15 PM

Pangea: DubtodaIll: Again, I agree if he's being insubordinate.  However, one of the tenants of Christianity is to proselytize.  Forcing someone to selectively ignore tenants of their religion that they choose to practice should be protected under the First Amendment regardless of who it offends.  That's freedom.

You can't actually believe this. Proselytizing is done in an effort to convert nonbelievers. Are you honestly saying you'd be alright with a muslim actively trying to convert a busload of unsupervised children to Islam? What if he was a Satanist?

Rastafarianism is a recognized religion that considers the consumption of cannabis as a sacrament. Should he be allowed to blaze up while driving, in order to avoid religiously persecuting him?


Yes in all cases except the driving while intoxicated.  It's important that developing humans learn about everything possible.
 
2013-11-07 12:59:51 PM

DubtodaIll: Pangea: DubtodaIll: Again, I agree if he's being insubordinate.  However, one of the tenants of Christianity is to proselytize.  Forcing someone to selectively ignore tenants of their religion that they choose to practice should be protected under the First Amendment regardless of who it offends.  That's freedom.

You can't actually believe this. Proselytizing is done in an effort to convert nonbelievers. Are you honestly saying you'd be alright with a muslim actively trying to convert a busload of unsupervised children to Islam? What if he was a Satanist?

Rastafarianism is a recognized religion that considers the consumption of cannabis as a sacrament. Should he be allowed to blaze up while driving, in order to avoid religiously persecuting him?

Yes in all cases except the driving while intoxicated.  It's important that developing humans learn about everything possible.


I tried to warn you........
 
2013-11-07 01:00:24 PM

udhq: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Btw, people like to say that the church was responsible for nearly all art and culture of the middle ages, but this only appears to be the case to modern audiences because they systematically destroyed nearly piece of art and cultural accomplishment that failed to show adequate deference to their political power.


Again, being assigned beliefs I don't hold, however there is something to be said for being the one who writes the history.  Objectively one could call that "winning" and what allowed them to win was the tenets of their beliefs and the individuals those tenets created and inspired.
 
2013-11-07 01:07:48 PM

DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Btw, people like to say that the church was responsible for nearly all art and culture of the middle ages, but this only appears to be the case to modern audiences because they systematically destroyed nearly piece of art and cultural accomplishment that failed to show adequate deference to their political power.

Again, being assigned beliefs I don't hold, however there is something to be said for being the one who writes the history.  Objectively one could call that "winning" and what allowed them to win was the tenets of their beliefs and the individuals those tenets created and inspired.


Umm, well, that and the part where they killed millions upon millions of dissidents.....

There's a reason that the period of human history defined by the hegemony of the Christian church is called "the dark ages."
 
2013-11-07 01:08:07 PM

DubtodaIll: Pangea: DubtodaIll: Again, I agree if he's being insubordinate.  However, one of the tenants of Christianity is to proselytize.  Forcing someone to selectively ignore tenants of their religion that they choose to practice should be protected under the First Amendment regardless of who it offends.  That's freedom.

You can't actually believe this. Proselytizing is done in an effort to convert nonbelievers. Are you honestly saying you'd be alright with a muslim actively trying to convert a busload of unsupervised children to Islam? What if he was a Satanist?

Rastafarianism is a recognized religion that considers the consumption of cannabis as a sacrament. Should he be allowed to blaze up while driving, in order to avoid religiously persecuting him?

Yes in all cases except the driving while intoxicated.   It's important that developing humans learn about everything possible.


And the trolling has been revealed (or at least I hope so).
 
2013-11-07 01:09:30 PM

DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Btw, people like to say that the church was responsible for nearly all art and culture of the middle ages, but this only appears to be the case to modern audiences because they systematically destroyed nearly piece of art and cultural accomplishment that failed to show adequate deference to their political power.

Again, being assigned beliefs I don't hold, however there is something to be said for being the one who writes the history.  Objectively one could call that "winning" and what allowed them to win was the tenets of their beliefs and the individuals those tenets created and inspired.


Wether you believe it or not you are defending them and thats what matters and not for nothing for someone who doesn't "believe" you have just by sheer coincidence I suppose trotted out just about every bs talking point religious whiners use to demonstrate how oppressed they are. So yeah I'm just gonna come out and say it. You are a liar and not nearly as clever as you think you are, your kind never is.
 
2013-11-07 01:09:41 PM

MycroftHolmes: DubtodaIll: Pangea: DubtodaIll: Again, I agree if he's being insubordinate.  However, one of the tenants of Christianity is to proselytize.  Forcing someone to selectively ignore tenants of their religion that they choose to practice should be protected under the First Amendment regardless of who it offends.  That's freedom.

You can't actually believe this. Proselytizing is done in an effort to convert nonbelievers. Are you honestly saying you'd be alright with a muslim actively trying to convert a busload of unsupervised children to Islam? What if he was a Satanist?

Rastafarianism is a recognized religion that considers the consumption of cannabis as a sacrament. Should he be allowed to blaze up while driving, in order to avoid religiously persecuting him?

Yes in all cases except the driving while intoxicated.   It's important that developing humans learn about everything possible.

And the trolling has been revealed (or at least I hope so).


It's not important that students don't learn everything possible?  How can you be confident in your world view unless you've viewed everything you can, even the bad parts?
 
2013-11-07 01:12:34 PM

ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Btw, people like to say that the church was responsible for nearly all art and culture of the middle ages, but this only appears to be the case to modern audiences because they systematically destroyed nearly piece of art and cultural accomplishment that failed to show adequate deference to their political power.

Again, being assigned beliefs I don't hold, however there is something to be said for being the one who writes the history.  Objectively one could call that "winning" and what allowed them to win was the tenets of their beliefs and the individuals those tenets created and inspired.

Wether you believe it or not you are defending them and thats what matters and not for nothing for someone who doesn't "believe" you have just by sheer coincidence I suppose trotted out just about every bs talking point religious whiners use to demonstrate how oppressed they are. So yeah I'm just gonna come out and say it. You are a liar and not nearly as clever as you think you are, your kind never is.


What have I lied about?  I see you have a problem with Them.  What else are They stopping you from doing in your life and how are They making your life miserable in a way that you yourself cannot rectify with your own efforts?  You know there's a great Book that's got alllll the answers...
 
2013-11-07 01:17:05 PM

MycroftHolmes: DubtodaIll: Pangea: DubtodaIll: Again, I agree if he's being insubordinate.  However, one of the tenants of Christianity is to proselytize.  Forcing someone to selectively ignore tenants of their religion that they choose to practice should be protected under the First Amendment regardless of who it offends.  That's freedom.

You can't actually believe this. Proselytizing is done in an effort to convert nonbelievers. Are you honestly saying you'd be alright with a muslim actively trying to convert a busload of unsupervised children to Islam? What if he was a Satanist?

Rastafarianism is a recognized religion that considers the consumption of cannabis as a sacrament. Should he be allowed to blaze up while driving, in order to avoid religiously persecuting him?

Yes in all cases except the driving while intoxicated.   It's important that developing humans learn about everything possible.

And the trolling has been revealed (or at least I hope so).


Woah, I missed that line, that's...that's really something...is what that is...

So, dubtoall, just let me know what time works for you, and I'll drop by your house and teach your children about the infinite majesty of our dark Lord Satan.
 
2013-11-07 01:17:44 PM

udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Btw, people like to say that the church was responsible for nearly all art and culture of the middle ages, but this only appears to be the case to modern audiences because they systematically destroyed nearly piece of art and cultural accomplishment that failed to show adequate deference to their political power.

Again, being assigned beliefs I don't hold, however there is something to be said for being the one who writes the history.  Objectively one could call that "winning" and what allowed them to win was the tenets of their beliefs and the individuals those tenets created and inspired.

Umm, well, that and the part where they killed millions upon millions of dissidents.....

There's a reason that the period of human history defined by the hegemony of the Christian church is called "the dark ages."


I see you think that war is completely bad and that everyone who is born should live to 100 and that nothing bad should ever happen ever because religion.  War is part of human nature.  I can't say which came first between War and Religion but I would think we were competing amongst ourselves before we invented the notion of religion.  It's almost as if religion helped to bring order to chaos and pave the way for shining civilizations.
 
2013-11-07 01:18:53 PM

udhq: MycroftHolmes: DubtodaIll: Pangea: DubtodaIll: Again, I agree if he's being insubordinate.  However, one of the tenants of Christianity is to proselytize.  Forcing someone to selectively ignore tenants of their religion that they choose to practice should be protected under the First Amendment regardless of who it offends.  That's freedom.

You can't actually believe this. Proselytizing is done in an effort to convert nonbelievers. Are you honestly saying you'd be alright with a muslim actively trying to convert a busload of unsupervised children to Islam? What if he was a Satanist?

Rastafarianism is a recognized religion that considers the consumption of cannabis as a sacrament. Should he be allowed to blaze up while driving, in order to avoid religiously persecuting him?

Yes in all cases except the driving while intoxicated.   It's important that developing humans learn about everything possible.

And the trolling has been revealed (or at least I hope so).

Woah, I missed that line, that's...that's really something...is what that is...

So, dubtoall, just let me know what time works for you, and I'll drop by your house and teach your children about the infinite majesty of our dark Lord Satan.


Whenever, you can give it a shot.
 
2013-11-07 01:19:04 PM

DubtodaIll: MycroftHolmes: DubtodaIll: Pangea: DubtodaIll: Again, I agree if he's being insubordinate.  However, one of the tenants of Christianity is to proselytize.  Forcing someone to selectively ignore tenants of their religion that they choose to practice should be protected under the First Amendment regardless of who it offends.  That's freedom.

You can't actually believe this. Proselytizing is done in an effort to convert nonbelievers. Are you honestly saying you'd be alright with a muslim actively trying to convert a busload of unsupervised children to Islam? What if he was a Satanist?

Rastafarianism is a recognized religion that considers the consumption of cannabis as a sacrament. Should he be allowed to blaze up while driving, in order to avoid religiously persecuting him?

Yes in all cases except the driving while intoxicated.   It's important that developing humans learn about everything possible.

And the trolling has been revealed (or at least I hope so).

It's not important that students don't learn everything possible?  How can you be confident in your world view unless you've viewed everything you can, even the bad parts?


No way you can be this dumb.

Are you really advocating the open and unfettered access to ALL information to forming brains, regardless of their developmental stage?

Mind you, for that to work, the information should be provided in an objective and nuetral way.  An authority figure leading kids in prayer is NOT, and I repeat NOT, a case of exposing people to different world views.
 
2013-11-07 01:22:32 PM

MycroftHolmes: DubtodaIll: MycroftHolmes: DubtodaIll: Pangea: DubtodaIll: Again, I agree if he's being insubordinate.  However, one of the tenants of Christianity is to proselytize.  Forcing someone to selectively ignore tenants of their religion that they choose to practice should be protected under the First Amendment regardless of who it offends.  That's freedom.

You can't actually believe this. Proselytizing is done in an effort to convert nonbelievers. Are you honestly saying you'd be alright with a muslim actively trying to convert a busload of unsupervised children to Islam? What if he was a Satanist?

Rastafarianism is a recognized religion that considers the consumption of cannabis as a sacrament. Should he be allowed to blaze up while driving, in order to avoid religiously persecuting him?

Yes in all cases except the driving while intoxicated.   It's important that developing humans learn about everything possible.

And the trolling has been revealed (or at least I hope so).

It's not important that students don't learn everything possible?  How can you be confident in your world view unless you've viewed everything you can, even the bad parts?

No way you can be this dumb.

Are you really advocating the open and unfettered access to ALL information to forming brains, regardless of their developmental stage?

Mind you, for that to work, the information should be provided in an objective and nuetral way.  An authority figure leading kids in prayer is NOT, and I repeat NOT, a case of exposing people to different world views.


I'm not one for censorship.  As far what your children conclude to be the best way to go about things, I would say that responsibility lies with their creators, i.e. their parents.
 
2013-11-07 01:25:44 PM

DubtodaIll: I'm not one for censorship. As far what your children conclude to be the best way to go about things, I would say that responsibility lies with their creators, i.e. their parents.


So, since the parents objected to a bus driver proseltizing, you fully back up the decision to fire him for his actions.
 
2013-11-07 01:27:16 PM

MycroftHolmes: DubtodaIll: I'm not one for censorship. As far what your children conclude to be the best way to go about things, I would say that responsibility lies with their creators, i.e. their parents.

So, since the parents objected to a bus driver proseltizing, you fully back up the decision to fire him for his actions.


As I said, yes, firing him for insubordination is fine.  Crucifying him for espousing his beliefs is not.
 
2013-11-07 01:28:01 PM
He's not being crucified. He was fired. Derp.
 
2013-11-07 01:37:12 PM

DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Btw, people like to say that the church was responsible for nearly all art and culture of the middle ages, but this only appears to be the case to modern audiences because they systematically destroyed nearly piece of art and cultural accomplishment that failed to show adequate deference to their political power.

Again, being assigned beliefs I don't hold, however there is something to be said for being the one who writes the history.  Objectively one could call that "winning" and what allowed them to win was the tenets of their beliefs and the individuals those tenets created and inspired.

Umm, well, that and the part where they killed millions upon millions of dissidents.....

There's a reason that the period of human history defined by the hegemony of the Christian church is called "the dark ages."

I see you think that war is completely bad and that everyone who is born should live to 100 and that nothing bad should ever happen ever because religion.  War is part of human nature.  I can't say which came first between War and Religion but I would think we were competing amongst ourselves before we invented the notion of religion.  It's almost as if religion helped to bring order to chaos and pave the way for shining civilizations.


Inquisitions and violent missionary attempts to wipe out indigenous religions are not wars.
 
2013-11-07 01:37:42 PM

Facetious_Speciest: He's not being crucified. He was fired. Derp.


"Only newsworthy if you believe in magical sky faeries and believe it's perfectly acceptable for delusional adults in positions of power to foist their mental aberrations on kids...
The rest of us would consider it perfectly natural for said psychological defect to be removed from said position..."
"No, you're a bus driver, drive the farking bus and shut up. "
"Why does the rest of the sanity have to mollycoddle these sky-faerie delusional nitwits again? "
"Religious people are such f*cking narcissists."
+1 THIS
"I'm glad the stupid ass got fired for that."

 
2013-11-07 01:38:38 PM
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you meant "crucified" in some kind of meaningful, rather than histrionic, sense.

My bad.
 
2013-11-07 01:39:30 PM

udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Btw, people like to say that the church was responsible for nearly all art and culture of the middle ages, but this only appears to be the case to modern audiences because they systematically destroyed nearly piece of art and cultural accomplishment that failed to show adequate deference to their political power.

Again, being assigned beliefs I don't hold, however there is something to be said for being the one who writes the history.  Objectively one could call that "winning" and what allowed them to win was the tenets of their beliefs and the individuals those tenets created and inspired.

Umm, well, that and the part where they killed millions upon millions of dissidents.....

There's a reason that the period of human history defined by the hegemony of the Christian church is called "the dark ages."

I see you think that war is completely bad and that everyone who is born should live to 100 and that nothing bad should ever happen ever because religion.  War is part of human nature.  I can't say which came first between War and Religion but I would think we were competing amongst ourselves before we invented the notion of religion.  It's almost as if religion helped to bring order to chaos and pave the way for shining civilizations.

Inquisitions and violent missionary attempts to wipe out indigenous religions are not wars.


Were they hugging contests?  War are very rarely fair.
 
2013-11-07 01:46:00 PM

DubtodaIll: Inquisitions and violent missionary attempts to wipe out indigenous religions are not wars.

Were they hugging contests?  War are very rarely fair.


Enjoy the thread, you've twisted this into something absurd at this point.

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2013-11-07 01:47:34 PM
In junior high, the song "The Devil Came Down to Georgia" was popular. When ever it came on, our bus driver would turn off the radio. One day I asked him why. He explained that he was a devout Christian and that he believed it was blasphemous to sing about the devil, never mind the fact that the song contained a curse word that we, as children, shouldn't be exposed to. He wasn't ranting, frothing at the mouth, or in any way mean or condescending. He talked to me as an adult explaining it in a very straight forward way that I appreciated.

I've never understood why more people can't act that rationally normally.
 
2013-11-07 01:48:36 PM
DubtodaIll

War are very rarely fair.

Especially wars waged to wipe out or convert unbelievers.

You are a crazy person. A little Osama bin Laden in your own tiny world. Huzzah.
 
2013-11-07 01:51:43 PM

DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Btw, people like to say that the church was responsible for nearly all art and culture of the middle ages, but this only appears to be the case to modern audiences because they systematically destroyed nearly piece of art and cultural accomplishment that failed to show adequate deference to their political power.

Again, being assigned beliefs I don't hold, however there is something to be said for being the one who writes the history.  Objectively one could call that "winning" and what allowed them to win was the tenets of their beliefs and the individuals those tenets created and inspired.

Umm, well, that and the part where they killed millions upon millions of dissidents.....

There's a reason that the period of human history defined by the hegemony of the Christian church is called "the dark ages."

I see you think that war is completely bad and that everyone who is born should live to 100 and that nothing bad should ever happen ever because religion.  War is part of human nature.  I can't say which came first between War and Religion but I would think we were competing amongst ourselves before we invented the notion of religion.  It's almost as if religion helped to bring order to chaos and pave the way for shining civilizations.

Inquisitions and violent missionary attempts to wipe out indigenous religions are not wars.

Were they hugging contests?  War are very rarely fair.


You don't understand: the attempts by the Christian church to displace indigenous religions in Africa, south America, northern Europe, etc. through violence were fundamentally not wars, which involve 2 our more belligerents doing battle.

In most cases, they were more akin to wholesale, industrial slaughter and political repression. Would you say Germany was "at war" with the Jewish people?
 
2013-11-07 01:52:38 PM

Facetious_Speciest: DubtodaIll

War are very rarely fair.

Especially wars waged to wipe out or convert unbelievers.

You are a crazy person. A little Osama bin Laden in your own tiny world. Huzzah.


You really think that there wouldn't be genocide without religion?  Of course assuming that you could have a civilization without religion, which at this point, you'd have to commit genocide against all religious people to bring about.
 
2013-11-07 01:53:51 PM

udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Btw, people like to say that the church was responsible for nearly all art and culture of the middle ages, but this only appears to be the case to modern audiences because they systematically destroyed nearly piece of art and cultural accomplishment that failed to show adequate deference to their political power.

Again, being assigned beliefs I don't hold, however there is something to be said for being the one who writes the history.  Objectively one could call that "winning" and what allowed them to win was the tenets of their beliefs and the individuals those tenets created and inspired.

Umm, well, that and the part where they killed millions upon millions of dissidents.....

There's a reason that the period of human history defined by the hegemony of the Christian church is called "the dark ages."

I see you think that war is completely bad and that everyone who is born should live to 100 and that nothing bad should ever happen ever because religion.  War is part of human nature.  I can't say which came first between War and Religion but I would think we were competing amongst ourselves before we invented the notion of religion.  It's almost as if religion helped to bring order to chaos and pave the way for shining civilizations.

Inquisitions and violent missionary attempts to wipe out indigenous religions are not wars.

Were they hugging contests?  War are very rarely fair.

You don't understand: the attempts by the Christian church to displace indigenous religions in Africa, south America, northern Europe, etc. through violence were fundamentally not wars, which involve 2 our more belligerents doing battle.

In most cases, they were more akin to wholesale, industrial slaughter and political repression. Would you say Germany was "at war" with the Jewish people?


And by the way, when religion is used to justify genocide, as you're doing in this thread, it objectively ceases to be on the "good" side of the "good vs. evil" divide.
 
2013-11-07 01:54:21 PM

DubtodaIll: MycroftHolmes: DubtodaIll: I'm not one for censorship. As far what your children conclude to be the best way to go about things, I would say that responsibility lies with their creators, i.e. their parents.

So, since the parents objected to a bus driver proseltizing, you fully back up the decision to fire him for his actions.

As I said, yes, firing him for insubordination is fine.  Crucifying him for espousing his beliefs is not.


No one is crucifying for his beliefs, but his actions.  I am not talking at all about insubordination, but the inappropriate nature of proseltyzing to a bunch of kids.  You acknowledge that the parents are the arbiters for when and how children should be exposed to these ideas, so you acknowledge that his actions pre-empting this parental perogative was inappropriate.  I think we are done here.
 
2013-11-07 01:56:46 PM

udhq: udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Btw, people like to say that the church was responsible for nearly all art and culture of the middle ages, but this only appears to be the case to modern audiences because they systematically destroyed nearly piece of art and cultural accomplishment that failed to show adequate deference to their political power.

Again, being assigned beliefs I don't hold, however there is something to be said for being the one who writes the history.  Objectively one could call that "winning" and what allowed them to win was the tenets of their beliefs and the individuals those tenets created and inspired.

Umm, well, that and the part where they killed millions upon millions of dissidents.....

There's a reason that the period of human history defined by the hegemony of the Christian church is called "the dark ages."

I see you think that war is completely bad and that everyone who is born should live to 100 and that nothing bad should ever happen ever because religion.  War is part of human nature.  I can't say which came first between War and Religion but I would think we were competing amongst ourselves before we invented the notion of religion.  It's almost as if religion helped to bring order to chaos and pave the way for shining civilizations.

Inquisitions and violent missionary attempts to wipe out indigenous religions are not wars.

Were they hugging contests?  War are very rarely fair.

You don't understand: the attempts by the Christian church to displace indigenous religions in Africa, south America, northern Europe, etc. through violence were fundamentally not wars, which involve 2 our more belligerents doing battle.

In most cases, they were more akin to wholesale, industrial slaughter and political repression. Would you say Germany was "at war" with the Jewish people?

And by the way, when religion is used to justify genocide, a ...


When did i justify genocide? I think it's an awful characteristic of humanity that these things happen but I won't deny that they do happen and seem to be part of our nature regardless of any religious affiliation.
 
2013-11-07 01:59:07 PM
DubtodaIll

You really think that there wouldn't be genocide without religion?

I think trying to kill off a people or culture because they believe different things about the world...believe different things, not threaten your well-being, your children, your ability to exist...is one of the most heinous concepts man has invented (or been ordered to essay, if you're a Jew/Christian/Muslim).

I think you responding to such an idea with "lol, war is rarely fair" is just...sick. I'm not kidding.
 
2013-11-07 02:09:52 PM

Facetious_Speciest: DubtodaIll

You really think that there wouldn't be genocide without religion?

I think trying to kill off a people or culture because they believe different things about the world...believe different things, not threaten your well-being, your children, your ability to exist...is one of the most heinous concepts man has invented (or been ordered to essay, if you're a Jew/Christian/Muslim).

I think you responding to such an idea with "lol, war is rarely fair" is just...sick. I'm not kidding.


I think war is atrocious but that doesn't make it any less real or any less of a contributor towards inspiration of future actions and decisions.  For example, the Mongol's riding across Eurasia slaughtering every army they engaged.  The reduction in population actually led to a large boom of culture as the demand for resources was greatly reduced however the knowledge for gathering and applying those resources was not lost.
 
2013-11-07 02:11:21 PM

DubtodaIll: udhq: udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: udhq: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles: DubtodaIll: ScaryBottles:

Btw, people like to say that the church was responsible for nearly all art and culture of the middle ages, but this only appears to be the case to modern audiences because they systematically destroyed nearly piece of art and cultural accomplishment that failed to show adequate deference to their political power.

Again, being assigned beliefs I don't hold, however there is something to be said for being the one who writes the history.  Objectively one could call that "winning" and what allowed them to win was the tenets of their beliefs and the individuals those tenets created and inspired.

Umm, well, that and the part where they killed millions upon millions of dissidents.....

There's a reason that the period of human history defined by the hegemony of the Christian church is called "the dark ages."

I see you think that war is completely bad and that everyone who is born should live to 100 and that nothing bad should ever happen ever because religion.  War is part of human nature.  I can't say which came first between War and Religion but I would think we were competing amongst ourselves before we invented the notion of religion.  It's almost as if religion helped to bring order to chaos and pave the way for shining civilizations.

Inquisitions and violent missionary attempts to wipe out indigenous religions are not wars.

Were they hugging contests?  War are very rarely fair.

You don't understand: the attempts by the Christian church to displace indigenous religions in Africa, south America, northern Europe, etc. through violence were fundamentally not wars, which involve 2 our more belligerents doing battle.

In most cases, they were more akin to wholesale, industrial slaughter and political repression. Would you say Germany was "at war" with the Jewish people?

And by the way, when religion is used to justify genocide, a ...

When did i justify genocide? I think it's an awful characteristic of humanity that these things happen but I won't deny that they do happen and seem to be part of our nature regardless of any religious affiliation.


Part of human nature? Absolutely not. They seem to require a driving ideology, and in the cases I mentioned, that ideology was the Christian religion.

The holocaust completely ended eugenics as a legitimate school of thought, so why should we excuse the crimes pinned on religion?
 
2013-11-07 02:14:22 PM

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Part of human nature? Absolutely not. They seem to require a driving ideology, and in the cases I mentioned, that ideology was the Christian religion.

The holocaust completely ended eugenics as a legitimate school of thought, so why should we excuse the crimes pinned on religion?


Ending eugenics was a good thing.  Would it have ended without the apparent atrocities of the holocaust?  Were the proponents of eugenics not human and/or driven by their own natures?  If war isn't part of human nature, from where does it originate?
 
2013-11-07 02:39:39 PM

DubtodaIll: Ending eugenics was a good thing. Would it have ended without the apparent atrocities of the holocaust? Were the proponents of eugenics not human and/or driven by their own natures? If war isn't part of human nature, from where does it originate?


Well part of it happens when you devalue other human life. This is done in many different ways: citizens of other countries, different race, etc.

But a very common way is through religion. Other people are non-believers / heretics / etc. Once a person is seen as of less value then it is much easier to commit atrocities against them.

On top of that you throw in the get-out-of-jail-free card of "god tells you to do this" and religion becomes a powerful tool in motivating good people into doing bad things.

This is not speculation ... it is history.
 
Ant
2013-11-07 03:32:11 PM

DubtodaIll: should be protected under the First Amendment regardless of who it offends.


Is he being arrested? No? There you go, he's protected under the First Amendment. Employers don't have to let you say whatever you want. Try telling your boss that you think your company's products suck, and that you're going to tell everyone you know not to buy them.
 
Ant
2013-11-07 03:43:13 PM

DubtodaIll: It's a much smaller burden to tell your children to ignore the bus driver than it will be for this guy to find a job.


Jesus farking Christ, man! He wouldn't have had to find a new job if he'd have complied with the farking rules of his old farking job! Why are you being so farking obtuse?!?

/Hallelujiah! Holy shiat! Where's the Tylenol?
 
Ant
2013-11-07 03:44:14 PM

Pangea: DubtodaIll: Inquisitions and violent missionary attempts to wipe out indigenous religions are not wars.

Were they hugging contests?  War are very rarely fair.

Enjoy the thread, you've twisted this into something absurd at this point.

[teamshocker.com image 500x254]


Jane is hot
 
Ant
2013-11-07 03:55:03 PM

DubtodaIll: It's important that developing humans learn about everything possible.


Learn about != told to believe religious dogma as truth. I teach my 8-year-old son about religions. I would be pretty pissed off if some adult in a position of authority started telling him (as fact) that his body was full of the ghosts of aliens who'd died when an ancient 747 was crashed into a volcano by an evil emperor named Xenu, and that he needed to be cleared of these spirits..
 
2013-11-07 03:58:01 PM

Ant: DubtodaIll: It's important that developing humans learn about everything possible.

Learn about != told to believe religious dogma as truth. I teach my 8-year-old son about religions. I would be pretty pissed off if some adult in a position of authority started telling him (as fact) that his body was full of the ghosts of aliens who'd died when an ancient 747 was crashed into a volcano by an evil emperor named Xenu, and that he needed to be cleared of these spirits..


Ummm ... it was a DC8.

Please have some respect for other people's religions!!
 
2013-11-07 10:54:38 PM

Misch: cwolf20: How many religions besides Christianity did the news article say were on the bus again?

At least one other.

FTFA:
"Gayla Colin, a bus driver for 13 years in the district, told the Star Tribune that her former colleague's actions were inappropriate, especially since many of the students are Muslim."


Ah, missed that.  And glad someone noticed I was only referring to the article and not going in depth over the whole thing.
 
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