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(Miami Herald)   Miami Dolphins players condemn Dick Incognito. Just kidding, they rally around him and blame Jonathan Martin for not being "cut out for this"   (miamiherald.com ) divider line
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1015 clicks; posted to Sports » on 07 Nov 2013 at 8:30 AM (2 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-11-07 09:30:52 AM  
3 votes:
*troll on*
Can we just ban liberals from watching football already? It's obvious that their relentless victim-searching and the trumped up charges in their idea of social justice will not stop until they achieve their lifelong goal: Having the NFFL (National Flag Football League) Super Bowl end in a tie, with the gay black quarterback for the Washington White Guilts having won co-MVP with transgendered linebacker for the Denver Equalities.
*troll off*

How'd I do?
2013-11-07 08:05:17 AM  
3 votes:
I swear, this almost sounds like a love gone bad.
2013-11-07 10:06:20 AM  
2 votes:
Every workplace is exactly the same, hyuck, hyuck!
Yep, whether you work on a construction site, an insurance office, a strip club, the US Senate, or  as a writer on Saturday Night Live, all the same rules on conduct and speech are exactly the same!

farking delusional fools.
2013-11-07 09:06:59 AM  
2 votes:
/csb

I graduated from a certain southern school that was kind of infamous for this sort of shiat.   I was there at a time when a certain unfathomably fat woman decided to matriculate and attract a great deal of attention from our Federal government and their Marshals.  As a result, I am more than familiar with the concept of a hazing culture being laid bare for public scrutiny.

What is happening in Miami is going to take some time and its not going to be pretty.  It WILL run uphill and it WILL come out that not only did everyone in the organization know of the behavior, but that they condoned it.

I won't bother arguing the merits of such an environment in other institutions, but I can comment on the rampant stupidity of espousing such behavior in a professional sports team.  Hazing cultures weed out undesirables.  My class had a 67% drop out rate.  People literally left the school in busloads.  Why the fark would you create an environment that causes people to not want to be there when you are paying each and every one of them hundreds of thousands to tens of millions in your own money to play for you?   Unreal.

The military, even when it passively allowed such behavior to occur, only did so in the process of unit qualification training (whatever training you had to endure to qualify for what ever unit that required it would most likely be designed to be hard enough to weed out those who would later prove a liability if they weren't strong enough to endure the training).  Once you were in the unit, everything was about team unification so that you grew to trust everyone on your team and they you.   Internally imposed sanctioning by one artificially contrived stratification within the unit upon another only serves to divide the unit and ultimately reduce the efficacy of the squad.  It boggles my mind that they allowed this to go on.   Hope it comes down on them like a ton of fat girl.

/end csb
2013-11-07 08:55:53 AM  
2 votes:
No matter what you do for a living, threatening coworkers with death while using racial slurs will earn you some blow back.

This reality doesn't get suspended because locker room.
2013-11-07 08:32:12 AM  
2 votes:
I think that unless you are immersed in that culture of NFL locker room behavior, it's hard to say if someone is being too sensitive or being a bully.  I have a feeling a little of both in this case.
2013-11-07 08:31:24 AM  
2 votes:
I'm sure the hand wringers of Fark know what went on better than the people who were there.

Let's find out....
2013-11-07 05:00:29 PM  
1 vote:
This crap with Martin is one of the final nails in the coffin for my NFL tastes. (The other being the abject ineptitude of the Raiders and "Coach" Dennis Allen).  The NFL has gotten too big and "in your face" for the last couple of years, and I'm not going to willingly participate in the "ticket hazing" I must endure as far as prices are concerned to go to a game.

And then this crap happens, where you have alleged grown-ups basically flipping off the country as a whole saying "you don't get to say anything about our culture because you haven't played the game and you wouldn't understand the "locker room so the rules don't apply to us"".  Fark you, then.  I'll spend my money and time on other sports or entertainment (French Ligue 1 soccer is a lot of fun for me).

The NFL needs to take a chainsaw to the Dolphins management and personnel roster to make a point that they abide by the same rules and this crap is not tolerated.  Of course, do a full investigation, but the NFL, at the very least, needs to send and enforce the message that they are not going to put up with this sort of thing, or else by inaction they sanction this type of thing in every high school in the country.
2013-11-07 04:25:37 PM  
1 vote:

macadamnut: Gosling: The London controversy refuses to go away.

What's the London controversy?


Gene Simmons embarrassing America trying to sing the National Anthem.
2013-11-07 04:22:54 PM  
1 vote:

Gosling: And with this, you're getting a frontal assault on the very mindset that the league has been built on all these years.


Easy fix though, send Icognito on a long vacation. Make the Dolphins pay Martin whatever sum of money Icognito had him spend. Then as for the players who've defended Icognito you send them a nice letter informing them they owe the league $10,000. If they have a problem with that, they know where the commissioner's office is and if they're so tough, they can come talk about it.
2013-11-07 03:13:03 PM  
1 vote:
I will say, if you're Roger Goodell, this season as a whole has just been a PR disaster on every level. The injury rate has been particularly brutal, the players at your most marketable position have been dropping like flies despite all your efforts to protect them, and the most marketable player in the league just got collected on Monday. There's been a lot of terrible on-field product, much of which has come from the people sent in to replace those injured. The London controversy refuses to go away. The concussion issue refuses to go away. And with this, you're getting a frontal assault on the very mindset that the league has been built on all these years.
2013-11-07 01:35:52 PM  
1 vote:

doubled99: Insisting that an NFL team is the same as any other workplace is nothing but pure stupidity. Maybe you should listen to the players involved as they continue to try and explain exactly that. Or just continue your ignorant whining about something you obviously can't understand.


I do understand....that you are a moron.  So I guess people like

TONY DUNGY

doesn't understand football, right?  I mean, he only won a Super Bowl, played in the game, and was highly successful and DIDN'T allow hazing on his teams.

So I guess you like to display your stupidity in a public forum.  Got it.

/Marine, and yes I do know all about "if you aren't X, you don't understand."
//Those units are typically the ones who are the most farked up
///We don't play a child's game and whine that we should get to haze people because we feel we are "different", so why do a bunch of guys (like you) seem to believe the NFL locker room is okay for hazing?
////Jackass
2013-11-07 11:47:58 AM  
1 vote:
persephonemagazine.com

This story is saturated with lulz. I am glad fark has been flooded with hilarious Incognito threads, bros that lift, warrior codes, etc.


Great, entertaining stuff here
2013-11-07 11:16:42 AM  
1 vote:

spiderpaz: If it was all verbal, why couldn't he just run his mouth back, like everyone else does?


I suppose when someone is repeatedly leaving obscenity-laden voice mail messages threatening violence against you and your family (whether they were credible threats or not), getting all up in that person's face and escalating the situation is one way to go. Another way would be to say "F*ck this. This is beyond f*cked up." Then leave, tell the organization why you left, and let them deal with their own sh*t.
2013-11-07 10:49:22 AM  
1 vote:

Funbags: [i.imgur.com image 596x329]

Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.


So it is ok for your teammates to call you and leave you harassing messages? How about forcing them to cough up thousands of dollars? And what other workplaces is this acceptable in? McDonalds? Construction sites? There is name calling and ribbing that goes on, but it is pretty damn clear that Incognito crossed way over the line with Martin. And also when a boss tells you to punch another co worker, that is not acceptable in any workplace.
2013-11-07 10:31:07 AM  
1 vote:

mikaloyd: Crewmannumber6: Sounds like they want to stop this before it gets out how complicit they are in all of this.

Either one person is lying or 52 are.


Or 52 are covering their asses because they were willfully ignorant about what was going on.

It's easy to say "we thought they were boys" and wash your hands of the whole thing.

This is a group of people that put Incognito on a leadership council. Even throwing this Martin stuff out, Richie should not be anywhere near a position where anyone considers him to be a leader.
2013-11-07 10:11:40 AM  
1 vote:
If all of this was a "process to weed out" bad players...
*looks at Dolphins record the past few years*
You might need to work on that process, fellas.
Yeah. I'm a Browns fan. I STILL said it...
2013-11-07 09:55:22 AM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.

How are 6'5 322 pound men supposed to deal with their problems?


By not giving $15k to some other guy of the same size, just because he demands it. By calling the bully's bluff, whatever it is."you really want to shiat in my mouth, Richie? Whatever. Try it".

Certainly not by running screaming to the media, possibly ruining the other guys career and probably yours because who would want you on their team after this gutless act?
2013-11-07 09:52:47 AM  
1 vote:
Martin is a pussy, flat out...
Football has been played by men for 100 years or so?
There have been rookies and vets on the same team, in the same lover room for about the same amount of time...100 years or so, correct?
Ever heard of this NFL "bullying" before? No...
Has it probably gone on for 100 or so years as well? Sure...of course...
But if 100 or so years worth of rookies got through the "hazing"...why can't this pansy?
Cuz he's a pansy?
If you don't wanna get stuck with the bill at the end of the night...don't go out with the vets!!!! Easy solution!!!
The rest...if management told him to toughen up and smack the asshole, he shoulda done it.
2013-11-07 09:50:04 AM  
1 vote:

srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"


So I should be able to threaten my CEO's family because he owns a helicopter?
2013-11-07 09:39:27 AM  
1 vote:

doubled99: these are not 4th graders. They are grown ass men who have to follow the laws of society. They are not special because they play a game.


I'm sorry the mean jocks picked on you in HS but they really can't hurt you anymore.


Honestly it sound like you're the one that took repeated blows to the head here.
2013-11-07 09:35:41 AM  
1 vote:
We cannot know everything that went on here. That much is true. We can, however, look at Incognito's history. The guy was kicked out at Nebraska for God's sake. This is the place that gave Lawrence Phillips a standing ovation when he returned from a suspension for beating up a woman. This is the place that turned a blind eye to Christian Peters fondling and possibly raping of women. Incognito is a horrible human being. We know that much even without this episode. I think Martin deserves the benefit of the doubt.
2013-11-07 09:35:17 AM  
1 vote:
these are not 4th graders. They are grown ass men who have to follow the laws of society. They are not special because they play a game.


I'm sorry the mean jocks picked on you in HS but they really can't hurt you anymore.
2013-11-07 09:33:29 AM  
1 vote:
I do like how it was only white guys saying Incognito isn't racist.

Perhaps you should stay up to date. I invite everyone hear to the words of his own black teammates, who said Incognito is an "honorary" brother and not a single one considers him to be racist. But why listen to the team's beat writer or any of these players, right? You know the real truth!
2013-11-07 09:25:20 AM  
1 vote:
Sounds like they want to stop this before it gets out how complicit they are in all of this.
2013-11-07 09:20:02 AM  
1 vote:

QueenMamaBee: I don't pay much attention to football, but there was a bit on this on the Today show this morning. I do like how it was only white guys saying Incognito isn't racist. Really? Couldn't get a single black guy on the team to say that on camera?


There's your problem
2013-11-07 09:14:09 AM  
1 vote:

HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??


it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?
2013-11-07 09:01:01 AM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: No matter what you do for a living, threatening coworkers with death while using racial slurs will earn you some blow back.

This reality doesn't get suspended because locker room.


Context matters.

I've said absolutely reprehensible, legally actionable and morally repugnant things to my friends (several of whom were co-workers).  They didn't sue me, because they knew it was in jest.  Just as I did when they said similar things to me.  I'm not saying that's what went on here.  But, I am willing to admit I don't really know what went on here.
2013-11-07 08:45:35 AM  
1 vote:
Sports radio (specifically Artrell Hawkins and Firman) are all over this as to "this is football...you never played the game....you don't understand" angle in defending what is essentially workplace violence, intimidation, and bad behavior.  You have to "deal with it" and you weren't made for football.

So the coonter-offensive has begun, and I think the Dolphins players coming out have essentially circled the wagons to protect themselves, as they know that, if they get the story right, they can escape punishment and hopefully their own complicity in the affair will not come to light.

Entirely predictable.  As if the NFL is somehow an organization where intimidation, workplace violence is "okay" because the "locker room" is different.  Hawkins and Firman are saying Martin should stand up for himself by fighting Incognito.  What if Martin thought the proper way to fight back is to bring a gun to the locker room?

These clowns on the radio (hawkins) compared this "bullying" in the locker room with the American fight for independence from England.  I about shot myself for the stupidity I was hearing.
2013-11-07 08:37:15 AM  
1 vote:
This is one of those stories that the media has collectively decided on a narrative and run with it. I do wonder if just maybe Martin is screwy or scheming or maybe just plain evil.

We have no idea.
2013-11-07 08:36:36 AM  
1 vote:
Football is the ultimate alpha male sport. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.
2013-11-07 08:35:50 AM  
1 vote:
I don't pay much attention to football, but there was a bit on this on the Today show this morning. I do like how it was only white guys saying Incognito isn't racist. Really? Couldn't get a single black guy on the team to say that on camera?
 
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