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(Miami Herald)   Miami Dolphins players condemn Dick Incognito. Just kidding, they rally around him and blame Jonathan Martin for not being "cut out for this"   (miamiherald.com) divider line 200
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2013-11-07 10:22:09 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Marcus Aurelius: This story would have been a lot better if Martin has just shot Incognito in the head a few times.

I still have high hopes for the follow-up.

That is the outcome most of the people here seem to prefer.


That was the only outcome that guaranteed we wouldn't be hearing about this on SportsCenter every day for the next two years.
 
2013-11-07 10:22:40 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Sounds like they want to stop this before it gets out how complicit they are in all of this.


Either one person is lying or 52 are.
 
2013-11-07 10:28:38 AM  

doubled99: You can mock "warrior's code" all you want, but that very code is at work now. Overwhelming support for Incognito from his teammates. One year from now, Incognito will be playing NFL football. Martin will not.
Yammer and bleat all you want about social justice, but the men who play this sport understand it is different. It doesn't matter if you do. Token punishments will be handed out to appease society's squeaky wheels, but the nature of the locker room will not change at all.
Time to get back to your fantasy football!


Call it a code, but not the "warriors code." Warriors in the military are fighting for their own survival as well as whatever freedoms we might still have left (enter your own assessment here.)
NFL players are playing for ego and money.
It may not change, but dressing it up as something completely selfless and vital for society's function is insulting to your own intelligence more than it is mine.
 
2013-11-07 10:29:53 AM  

Polish Brainiac: Call it a code, but not the "warriors code." Warriors in the military are fighting for their own survival as well as whatever freedoms we might still have left


Ah yes, the Kellen Winslow, Jr. Axiom
 
2013-11-07 10:31:07 AM  

mikaloyd: Crewmannumber6: Sounds like they want to stop this before it gets out how complicit they are in all of this.

Either one person is lying or 52 are.


Or 52 are covering their asses because they were willfully ignorant about what was going on.

It's easy to say "we thought they were boys" and wash your hands of the whole thing.

This is a group of people that put Incognito on a leadership council. Even throwing this Martin stuff out, Richie should not be anywhere near a position where anyone considers him to be a leader.
 
2013-11-07 10:31:40 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: doubled99: You can mock "warrior's code" all you want, but that very code is at work now. Overwhelming support for Incognito from his teammates. One year from now, Incognito will be playing NFL football. Martin will not.
Yammer and bleat all you want about social justice, but the men who play this sport understand it is different. It doesn't matter if you do. Token punishments will be handed out to appease society's squeaky wheels, but the nature of the locker room will not change at all.
Time to get back to your fantasy football!

WARRIOR'S CODE, FARK YEAH!!!!!


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TO CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES ON TWITTER, POOP IN THEIR MOUTHS, AND HEAR THE LITIGATION OF THEIR LAWYERS!
 
2013-11-07 10:35:10 AM  
Ah yes, the Kellen Winslow, Jr. Axiom

Pretty much. After all, I had to root for the guy for  few years while he couldn't handle the Motorcycle Code.
 
2013-11-07 10:36:43 AM  
Just because Martin isn't cut out for "this" doesn't mean "this" should even exist.
 
2013-11-07 10:37:57 AM  
i.imgur.com

Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.
 
2013-11-07 10:38:53 AM  

doubled99: farking delusional fools.


Damn right. It's fine in some offices to threaten a co-worker's family with harm.
 
2013-11-07 10:44:31 AM  

Funbags: [i.imgur.com image 596x329]

Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.


Good to know that you support segregation
 
2013-11-07 10:47:47 AM  

srgrobe: Prevailing Wind:

yes, they could just cut him.

If only there was some way for you to actively have unlimited second round draft picks.


Ahhhh...now you're getting somewhere.   Please note in my initial posting that I don't castigate organizations for having some manner of harrowing experience prior to inclusion.  If the NFL assessed mental toughness as thoroughly as they do physical aptitude in the combine, I daresay it would result in a better product.  They don't though and once the guy is drafted he is yours for better or for worse.  From that point on, it is the responsibility of the entire team to find the best way to create an optimal environment for each and every one of their players to excel.
 
2013-11-07 10:49:10 AM  
i1.ytimg.com

'Martin, maybe football isn't your game.  I know, let's have a nice game of checkers.'
 
2013-11-07 10:49:22 AM  

Funbags: [i.imgur.com image 596x329]

Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.


So it is ok for your teammates to call you and leave you harassing messages? How about forcing them to cough up thousands of dollars? And what other workplaces is this acceptable in? McDonalds? Construction sites? There is name calling and ribbing that goes on, but it is pretty damn clear that Incognito crossed way over the line with Martin. And also when a boss tells you to punch another co worker, that is not acceptable in any workplace.
 
2013-11-07 10:52:29 AM  
I totally would have kicked Incognito's ass, and made him my biatch.
 
2013-11-07 10:54:29 AM  

Confabulat: I swear, this almost sounds like a love gone bad.


I actually had that thought float through my brain last night - classic break-up scenario.
 
2013-11-07 10:56:19 AM  

IlGreven: This incident could not have been handled any worse by everyone involved, including the media, had this been a normal workplace and Jonathan Martin been a woman.

I rag on "feminists" all the time, but the one thing I'll mostly agree with them on is harassment (except that I don't think asking a woman out for coffee is harassment). But they've got it easy compared to any man who isn't "tough enough" to play a sport.  There's a far bigger bully culture in sports than there is a rape culture in society.  And when such things leak, they leak hard.  (I'd even lump the Steubenville rape case and the Penn State cases into said culture.)


8/10 ... you would have got the full 10 if it weren't for the fact that you did it in the sports tab and no feminist is ever going to read it.
 
2013-11-07 10:59:50 AM  

ladodger34: mikaloyd: Crewmannumber6: Sounds like they want to stop this before it gets out how complicit they are in all of this.

Either one person is lying or 52 are.

Or 52 are covering their asses because they were willfully ignorant about what was going on.

It's easy to say "we thought they were boys" and wash your hands of the whole thing.

This is a group of people that put Incognito on a leadership council. Even throwing this Martin stuff out, Richie should not be anywhere near a position where anyone considers him to be a leader.


I love a good conspiracy theory. Tell me more.
 
2013-11-07 11:00:53 AM  

Rawhead Rex: If you don't wanna get stuck with the bill at the end of the night...don't go out with the vets!!!! Easy solution!!!


Or how about "Fark no, buy your own dinner.  Oh you're going to threaten me?  I'm huge, do so something ..."

That's probably what the vets were waiting for.  Trying to teach him to grow a spine and stand up for himself, but he never did.
 
2013-11-07 11:01:02 AM  

Funbags: Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.


So what would be the acceptable amount of violence to "handle it"? Martin punching him in the face at practice? Beating him unconscious in the locker room? Stabbing him? Shooting him? How do you know Martin wouldn't have just walked in and blown his head off one day if he didn't seek help?
 
2013-11-07 11:01:43 AM  
It's fun to watch Neanderthals struggle to keep intact one of their last bastions. Eventually, they're going to have to grow up, and that terrifies them, so of course they're going to demonize the whistleblower. The fun part will be watching as the NFL tries to balance "keeping a high profit margin" with "keeping a professional demeanor" in their response. It's clear that this kind of brutal behavior has been acceptable for far too long in a society that's supposed to be moving away from this kind of stupidity.
 
2013-11-07 11:03:03 AM  

born_yesterday: I totally would have kicked Incognito's ass, and made him my biatch.


I still want to know what an "angry bottom" is.
 
2013-11-07 11:06:03 AM  
The NFL has always been decades and decades behind the rest of society in terms of social progress. They're just socially backwards and slow to change. It has nothing to do with the WARRIOR CODE, although that is the funniest thing I've seen here in a long time. I love how doubled99 has doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on it. He's going down with the ship, and you gotta respect that. Or not. Anyway, it's funny.

You can't expect a bunch of grown adults to live like they belong to an obnoxious fraternity and get away with it in 2013. That system is archaic, and it's going to crumble eventually. Let's just admit it and move on like a civilized society. Next can we talk about the ridiculous practice of interviewing athletes half-naked in the locker room like they're a bunch of livestock animals? Because that's just retarded. Maybe being treated like adults would help some of them learn how to act like adults.
 
2013-11-07 11:06:45 AM  
Just found out that Martin went to high school where my sister teaches (Harvard-Westlake in LA). He passed on going to Harvard (both of his parents are Harvard alums) so he could play football at Stanford. If he had gone to Harvard his family would have been the first 4-generation black family to attend. He planned to go to Harvard Law School after his football career was over so that's probably what he'll do now.
 
2013-11-07 11:07:30 AM  

ghall3: Funbags: Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.

So what would be the acceptable amount of violence to "handle it"? Martin punching him in the face at practice? Beating him unconscious in the locker room? Stabbing him? Shooting him? How do you know Martin wouldn't have just walked in and blown his head off one day if he didn't seek help?


How much ACTUAL violence was directed toward Martin - or was it all verbal?  If it was all verbal, why couldn't he just run his mouth back, like everyone else does?
 
2013-11-07 11:08:30 AM  

BinderWoman: Just found out that Martin went to high school where my sister teaches (Harvard-Westlake in LA). He passed on going to Harvard (both of his parents are Harvard alums) so he could play football at Stanford. If he had gone to Harvard his family would have been the first 4-generation black family to attend. He planned to go to Harvard Law School after his football career was over so that's probably what he'll do now.


Check out the big brain on Jonathon
 
2013-11-07 11:16:42 AM  

spiderpaz: If it was all verbal, why couldn't he just run his mouth back, like everyone else does?


I suppose when someone is repeatedly leaving obscenity-laden voice mail messages threatening violence against you and your family (whether they were credible threats or not), getting all up in that person's face and escalating the situation is one way to go. Another way would be to say "F*ck this. This is beyond f*cked up." Then leave, tell the organization why you left, and let them deal with their own sh*t.
 
2013-11-07 11:18:16 AM  

spiderpaz: ghall3: Funbags: Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.

So what would be the acceptable amount of violence to "handle it"? Martin punching him in the face at practice? Beating him unconscious in the locker room? Stabbing him? Shooting him? How do you know Martin wouldn't have just walked in and blown his head off one day if he didn't seek help?

How much ACTUAL violence was directed toward Martin - or was it all verbal?  If it was all verbal, why couldn't he just run his mouth back, like everyone else does?


How about when it was clear that somebody doesn't like what you are saying, you stop messing with them? That is how civilized adults handle things in an environment with co workers.
 
2013-11-07 11:22:19 AM  

ongbok: spiderpaz: ghall3: Funbags: Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.

So what would be the acceptable amount of violence to "handle it"? Martin punching him in the face at practice? Beating him unconscious in the locker room? Stabbing him? Shooting him? How do you know Martin wouldn't have just walked in and blown his head off one day if he didn't seek help?

How much ACTUAL violence was directed toward Martin - or was it all verbal?  If it was all verbal, why couldn't he just run his mouth back, like everyone else does?

How about when it was clear that somebody doesn't like what you are saying, you stop messing with them? That is how civilized adults handle things in an environment with co workers.


Well yeah, but this guy works in the NFL with a pack of animals.  The only thing they respect is strength and balls.
 
2013-11-07 11:23:25 AM  

someonelse: spiderpaz: If it was all verbal, why couldn't he just run his mouth back, like everyone else does?

I suppose when someone is repeatedly leaving obscenity-laden voice mail messages threatening violence against you and your family (whether they were credible threats or not), getting all up in that person's face and escalating the situation is one way to go. Another way would be to say "F*ck this. This is beyond f*cked up." Then leave, tell the organization why you left, and let them deal with their own sh*t.


That's no way to shoot down the walls of heartache.

/bang, bang
//got nothin'
 
2013-11-07 11:24:56 AM  
Does calling Richie by the name of "Dick", give subby an amplified sense of superiority?

Just curious.

Seems to me like that in itself would be a form of bullying in our little snowflake world.
 
2013-11-07 11:27:10 AM  

spiderpaz: ongbok: spiderpaz: ghall3: Funbags: Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.

So what would be the acceptable amount of violence to "handle it"? Martin punching him in the face at practice? Beating him unconscious in the locker room? Stabbing him? Shooting him? How do you know Martin wouldn't have just walked in and blown his head off one day if he didn't seek help?

How much ACTUAL violence was directed toward Martin - or was it all verbal?  If it was all verbal, why couldn't he just run his mouth back, like everyone else does?

How about when it was clear that somebody doesn't like what you are saying, you stop messing with them? That is how civilized adults handle things in an environment with co workers.

Well yeah, but this guy works in the NFL with a pack of animals.  The only thing they respect is strength and balls.


too bad all that strength and balls gets stomped on by Tom Brady twice a year
 
2013-11-07 11:28:06 AM  
spiderpaz:
Well yeah, but this guy works in the NFL with a pack of animals.  The only thing they respect is strength and balls.

Evidently they also respect money, since they were trying to force rookies to pay pretty huge sums for their vacations and such. At some point you have to acknowledge that these guys were just obnoxiously milking a system that was overly permissive or outright supportive of their obnoxiousness. Obnoxious, petty greed and emotionally needy egotism are not in the WARRIOR CODE.
 
2013-11-07 11:28:59 AM  

slyde: Does calling Richie by the name of "Dick", give subby an amplified sense of superiority?

Just curious.

Seems to me like that in itself would be a form of bullying in our little snowflake world.


Remember, when you bully a bully to stop bullying, you're no better than the bully.
 
2013-11-07 11:29:28 AM  

mikaloyd: ladodger34: mikaloyd: Crewmannumber6: Sounds like they want to stop this before it gets out how complicit they are in all of this.

Either one person is lying or 52 are.

Or 52 are covering their asses because they were willfully ignorant about what was going on.

It's easy to say "we thought they were boys" and wash your hands of the whole thing.

This is a group of people that put Incognito on a leadership council. Even throwing this Martin stuff out, Richie should not be anywhere near a position where anyone considers him to be a leader.

I love a good conspiracy theory. Tell me more.


shiat, I'm not even saying it's a coordinated effort. What I am saying is that the individuals, not the team, are in CYA mode. Saying "hey, we thought they was buddies" is nice way to excuse yourself from the situation. I don't think the team conspired to come out with the message.
 
2013-11-07 11:31:41 AM  
Dear Richie:

Since you're such an undeniable badass may I suggest going down to the Little Haiti section of Miami, walking around, and calling every black person you see the n-word. There's also a lot of s-word people there too so you can branch out and explore new forms of racism. And if you're still alive after an hour, pat yourself on the back as you are TRULY a badass.
 
2013-11-07 11:32:53 AM  
It's fun to watch Neanderthals struggle to keep intact one of their last bastions. Eventually, they're going to have to grow up, and that terrifies them, so of course they're going to demonize the whistleblower. The fun part will be watching as the NFL tries to balance "keeping a high profit margin" with "keeping a professional demeanor" in their response. It's clear that this kind of brutal behavior has been acceptable for far too long in a society that's supposed to be moving away from this kind of stupidity.


Like the sport of football itself?
The acts these men are called on to do are beyond the "normal" scope of civilian activity, and as such,  cannot be held to your flexible, politically correct modes of societal behavior.
Frail, craven men such as yourself feel the need to tear down those who's accomplishments dwarf their own to cover up their own shame as men.
 
2013-11-07 11:33:16 AM  

ladodger34: shiat, I'm not even saying it's a coordinated effort. What I am saying is that the individuals, not the team, are in CYA mode. Saying "hey, we thought they was buddies" is nice way to excuse yourself from the situation. I don't think the team conspired to come out with the message.


It would be a lot easier and simpler for them to cover their asses by simply leaving Incognito under the bus rather than diving in after him.
 
2013-11-07 11:38:18 AM  
Has anyone brought up the point that athletes, especially football players live by a certain set of rules, a 'warriors code' perhaps?
 
2013-11-07 11:38:47 AM  
When you dress like a slut (Martin), you are pretty much asking for it and pretty much deserve it.
 
2013-11-07 11:39:21 AM  

ghall3: Do we really view these men simply as disposable gladiators there solely for our amusement?


Are you not entertained?!?
 
2013-11-07 11:40:29 AM  

spiderpaz: IlGreven: This incident could not have been handled any worse by everyone involved, including the media, had this been a normal workplace and Jonathan Martin been a woman.

I rag on "feminists" all the time, but the one thing I'll mostly agree with them on is harassment (except that I don't think asking a woman out for coffee is harassment). But they've got it easy compared to any man who isn't "tough enough" to play a sport.  There's a far bigger bully culture in sports than there is a rape culture in society.  And when such things leak, they leak hard.  (I'd even lump the Steubenville rape case and the Penn State cases into said culture.)

8/10 ... you would have got the full 10 if it weren't for the fact that you did it in the sports tab and no feminist is ever going to read it.


Lies. Being a feminist doesn't mean avoiding men or sports.

/feminist
/football fan
/Floridian
 
2013-11-07 11:44:12 AM  
One of the more entertaining aspects of all this has been to see how seriously the players and fans take the playing of a game that I can see 8 year olds playing  across the streetright now out my window .

The NFL couldn't give a flying Fark about traumatic brain injuries and players killing themselves or dying slow painful deaths, does anyone really think they are going to care about bullying?
 
2013-11-07 11:46:05 AM  

FLMountainMan: slyde: Does calling Richie by the name of "Dick", give subby an amplified sense of superiority?

Just curious.

Seems to me like that in itself would be a form of bullying in our little snowflake world.

Remember, when you bully a bully to stop bullying, you're no better than the bully.


You're making a funny, but you're kinda right. That's what makes this thing a no-win situation for Martin. It's not like in the movies where the underdog fights back and everyone cheers, uplifting music, roll credits. If Martin fought fire with fire, nobody, but nobody, would distinguish between his actions and Incognito's. It would just be two football thugs having a feud. And all the people saying "why didn't he fight back" would see it just that way.

If a higher-up in my workplace started taking a dump on my keyboard every day, and everyone else was like, yeah, we do that to n00bs here, it wouldn't take me long to decide that this wasn't the workplace environment for me. I'd probably even tell people, "You guys, you won't believe what they do at the last place I worked!" And yeah, I'd totally sue their asses. Even if everyone who worked in every branch office insisted that keyboard-pooping was totally normal and nobody else minded it except me.
 
2013-11-07 11:47:58 AM  
persephonemagazine.com

This story is saturated with lulz. I am glad fark has been flooded with hilarious Incognito threads, bros that lift, warrior codes, etc.


Great, entertaining stuff here
 
2013-11-07 11:50:04 AM  

please: One of the more entertaining aspects of all this has been to see how seriously the players and fans take the playing of a game that I can see 8 year olds playing  across the streetright now out my window .

The NFL couldn't give a flying Fark about traumatic brain injuries and players killing themselves or dying slow painful deaths, does anyone really think they are going to care about bullying?


Yes, because this will open them up to lawsuits and bad publicity, and the NFL hates lawsuits and bad publicity.
 
2013-11-07 11:50:51 AM  

doubled99: who's accomplishments dwarf


You left the same typo in from yesterday's thread. You be trollin'.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-11-07 12:08:33 PM  
Boy, I can't imagine why Martin might've thought that "keeping it in house" and bringing his concerns to other players would've been pointless due to Incognito's popularity.
 
2013-11-07 12:19:37 PM  

doubled99: The acts these men are called on to do are beyond the "normal" scope of civilian activity, and as such, cannot be held to your flexible, politically correct modes of societal behavior.
Frail, craven men such as yourself feel the need to tear down those who's accomplishments dwarf their own to cover up their own shame as men.


www.ghostofthefuture.com

LARD-ASS! LARD-ASS!
 
2013-11-07 12:24:39 PM  

doubled99: Sports radio (specifically Artrell Hawkins and Firman) are all over this as to "this is football...you never played the game....you don't understand" angle in defending what is essentially workplace violence, intimidation, and bad behavior.You have to "deal with it" and you weren't made for football.
So the coonter-offensive has begun, and I think the Dolphins players coming out have essentially circled the wagons to protect themselves, as they know that, if they get the story right, they can escape punishment and hopefully their own complicity in the affair will not come to light.
Entirely predictable.  As if the NFL is somehow an organization where intimidation, workplace violence is "okay" because the "locker room" is different.


Hard cold truth- IT IS.
Insisting that an NFL team is the same as any other workplace is nothing but pure stupidity. Maybe you should listen to the players involved as they continue to try and explain exactly that. Or just continue your ignorant whining about something you obviously can't understand.


I'm not going to take a side on this, but it seems weird to me to see random internet posters commenting about how confident they are that they know the NFL is so different and to say otherwise is ignorant.  I'm guessing that you have spent as much time in an NFL locker room as the guy you're responding to you or me (zero).  If you're such an expert on this, which NFL team did you play for that gave you insight into the intricacies of professional football?
 
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