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(Miami Herald)   Miami Dolphins players condemn Dick Incognito. Just kidding, they rally around him and blame Jonathan Martin for not being "cut out for this"   (miamiherald.com) divider line 200
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2013-11-07 09:24:44 AM
AAAHhaahahaha!  That worthless stool-sample, Jeff Ireland, is now saying Martin should have punched Incognito.

While that may be true, it is no way to manage a business.  It would make just as much sense...and be far more satisfying...if Martin had punched Ireland, Philbin and the rest of the cockmunches that were supposed to be running the team.  Of course, that eventually gets you to postal workers, automatic weapons and 'standing your ground' in Florida.

F*ck Ireland, that sports chickenhawk.  He was a kicker.  Everybody with a team, down to the 80 y/o secretary, could kick his ass.
 
2013-11-07 09:25:20 AM
Sounds like they want to stop this before it gets out how complicit they are in all of this.
 
2013-11-07 09:25:51 AM

doubled99: See, even if it isn't the same as other workplace, that doesn't give it a pass to workplace laws.


Yes, and a 4th grade schoolyard fight is also assault and battery. Let's start arresting kids.


Happens all the time. Anyway, violating laws like that would rarely lead to arrest.
 
2013-11-07 09:25:53 AM
Prevailing Wind:

yes, they could just cut him.

If only there was some way for you to actively have unlimited second round draft picks.
 
2013-11-07 09:26:17 AM

srgrobe: Google Dimitrius Underwood.


I'm a Vikings fan. Ugggggh.

srgrobe: what more have we found out?  honestly, not trolling, curious.


Sounds like the coaching staff was involved. Players knew. And of course we have the voicemail. It seems like it's getting worse for the organization, not better.
 
2013-11-07 09:27:26 AM

srgrobe: have you heard that Martin himself may have been proudly playing his saved voicemail for teammates awhile back, and laughing?  if that's true, still unacceptable?

/never leaves a voicemail


Yes, because those being abused never bring up such stuff in similar ways as cries for help... or, you know, it could simply be a defense mechanism the other players are using to defend Incognito.

If the Coach's knew that happened and didn't tell everyone to knock that shiat off, they are even more culpable.  Workplace harassment doesn't get a pass simply because the harassed says it's not a big deal.
 
2013-11-07 09:29:07 AM

QueenMamaBee: I don't pay much attention to football, but there was a bit on this on the Today show this morning. I do like how it was only white guys saying Incognito isn't racist. Really? Couldn't get a single black guy on the team to say that on camera?


http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24195746/report-teammate s-considered-incognito-an-honorary-black-man
 
2013-11-07 09:30:15 AM

HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Google Dimitrius Underwood.

I'm a Vikings fan. Ugggggh.

srgrobe: what more have we found out?  honestly, not trolling, curious.

Sounds like the coaching staff was involved. Players knew. And of course we have the voicemail. It seems like it's getting worse for the organization, not better.


Pro Football Talk may just be stirring shiat up.  Martin's agent/attorney may just be stirring shiat up.
Or the very most likely, Jeff Ireland may indeed be a super huge prick that says very insenstive things.
Not sure that's a capital offense though.  Sorry about your Vikes
 
2013-11-07 09:30:18 AM

Confabulat: This is one of those stories that the media has collectively decided on a narrative and run with it. I do wonder if just maybe Martin is screwy or scheming or maybe just plain evil.

We have no idea.


this seems to be the reporting framework for every "news" story these days. run wild, with your hair on fire, in one direction and then rebound with equal intensity in the other direction.
 
2013-11-07 09:30:52 AM
*troll on*
Can we just ban liberals from watching football already? It's obvious that their relentless victim-searching and the trumped up charges in their idea of social justice will not stop until they achieve their lifelong goal: Having the NFFL (National Flag Football League) Super Bowl end in a tie, with the gay black quarterback for the Washington White Guilts having won co-MVP with transgendered linebacker for the Denver Equalities.
*troll off*

How'd I do?
 
2013-11-07 09:31:23 AM

srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"


No, he was getting paid millions to play football.

doubled99: See, even if it isn't the same as other workplace, that doesn't give it a pass to workplace laws.


Yes, and a 4th grade schoolyard fight is also assault and battery. Let's start arresting kids.


Congratulations,. You just said football players have the mentality of children.

Man, stories about workplace bullying really bring out the Grover Dills.
 
2013-11-07 09:31:25 AM

doubled99: See, even if it isn't the same as other workplace, that doesn't give it a pass to workplace laws.


Yes, and a 4th grade schoolyard fight is also assault and battery. Let's start arresting kids.



these are not 4th graders. They are grown ass men who have to follow the laws of society. They are not special because they play a game.
 
2013-11-07 09:32:30 AM

HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.


Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.
 
2013-11-07 09:33:29 AM
I do like how it was only white guys saying Incognito isn't racist.

Perhaps you should stay up to date. I invite everyone hear to the words of his own black teammates, who said Incognito is an "honorary" brother and not a single one considers him to be racist. But why listen to the team's beat writer or any of these players, right? You know the real truth!
 
2013-11-07 09:34:04 AM

doubled99: Please continue to disregard what the actual people involved in the story say. You know the real truth!


And from what the actual people, who witnessed it, are saying is that he took for a long time, was having problems with it, tried to roll with it and finally cracked. That is exactly what every one of those guys who was interviewed is describing.
 
2013-11-07 09:35:17 AM
these are not 4th graders. They are grown ass men who have to follow the laws of society. They are not special because they play a game.


I'm sorry the mean jocks picked on you in HS but they really can't hurt you anymore.
 
2013-11-07 09:35:41 AM
We cannot know everything that went on here. That much is true. We can, however, look at Incognito's history. The guy was kicked out at Nebraska for God's sake. This is the place that gave Lawrence Phillips a standing ovation when he returned from a suspension for beating up a woman. This is the place that turned a blind eye to Christian Peters fondling and possibly raping of women. Incognito is a horrible human being. We know that much even without this episode. I think Martin deserves the benefit of the doubt.
 
2013-11-07 09:36:15 AM
The Muthaship:

Context matters.

I've said absolutely reprehensible, legally actionable and morally repugnant things to my friends (several of whom were co-workers).  They didn't sue me, because they knew it was in jest.  Just as I did when they said similar things to me.  I'm not saying that's what went on here.  But, I am willing to admit I don't really know what went on here.


This is pretty much what I'm thinking, too.  We don't really know what relationship these two had.  Maybe they say  these types of things to each other all the time.  I know my best friends and i say things to each other that, if taken out of context of our relationship, would leave normal people aghast.  Just yesterday I told a friend that he should eat a bag of dicks and insinuated that his newborn child was actually biologically mine, and that was just because we disagreed about how long Aaron Rodgers would be sidelined with his injury.  His response was that I could not have fathered his child due to erectile dysfunction and that the only reason he hadn't killed me yet was because he enjoyed thinking about how he was going to kill me later.  Obviously the language used was far harsher than I feel comfortable typing in a random message board.

We just don't know.  Do I think what Richie did was OK? No, but I'm not ready to judge him entirely based on a few carefully released quotes.  Only these two know how this situation truly played out.  Truthfully I don't give two shiat what these two men said to each other, they're men and it's a close knit locker room culture.  My biggest issue stems from the seeming extortion of $15K for the Las Vegas trip.
 
2013-11-07 09:36:16 AM

Frank N Stein: *troll on*
Can we just ban liberals from watching football already? It's obvious that their relentless victim-searching and the trumped up charges in their idea of social justice will not stop until they achieve their lifelong goal: Having the NFFL (National Flag Football League) Super Bowl end in a tie, with the gay black quarterback for the Washington White Guilts having won co-MVP with transgendered linebacker for the Denver Equalities.
*troll off*

How'd I do?


brilliant.  Washington White Guilts sealed it
 
2013-11-07 09:36:47 AM

SuperT: these are not 4th graders. They are grown ass-men who have to follow the laws of society. They are not special because they play a game.


/ftfy
 
2013-11-07 09:37:25 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24195746/report-teammat e s-considered-incognito-an-honorary-black-man


My brain hurts after that article.
 
2013-11-07 09:38:11 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.


How are 6'5 322 pound men supposed to deal with their problems?
 
2013-11-07 09:38:25 AM

doubled99: these are not 4th graders. They are grown ass men who have to follow the laws of society. They are not special because they play a game.


I'm sorry the mean jocks picked on you in HS but they really can't hurt you anymore.


I was the bully. and I farking regret it like nothing else. I recognize a piece of shiat bully who never grew up. There are plenty of NFL teams where this shiat would not fly, it is a workplace. These men are professionals and should act like it.

You think this piece of shiat would get away with this on the Colts? or the Patriots?
 
2013-11-07 09:38:55 AM

doubled99: I'm sorry the mean jocks picked on you in HS but they really can't hurt you anymore.


Thats probably what Jonathan Martin thought as well.

You can kiss ass all you want but Incognito will only let you suck his cock in private, he will never admit his man love for you in public so let it go.

/love that you were called on your bullshiat so you decided to turn it into something mocking yourself
//almost a nice save
 
2013-11-07 09:39:27 AM

doubled99: these are not 4th graders. They are grown ass men who have to follow the laws of society. They are not special because they play a game.


I'm sorry the mean jocks picked on you in HS but they really can't hurt you anymore.


Honestly it sound like you're the one that took repeated blows to the head here.
 
2013-11-07 09:40:45 AM
If only there was some way for you to actively cause an employee, even without their volition,  to leave your employ resulting in them not being able to draw a salary from you any more... If only there was some way for you to actively cause an employee, even without their volition,  to leave your employ resulting in them not being able to draw a salary from you any more...

Especially in the NFL where your contract can be voided in a heartbeat.  If a player was a "loafer" he'd be cut with no questions asked.
 
2013-11-07 09:42:33 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.


You are an idiot. He complained to coaches, he complained to management and all they did was encourage more abuse. What did you want him to do to deal with his problem? Did you want him to start a fight? He is a grown ass civilized man in a workplace. He shouldn't have to physically fighting anybody to handle a situation like this. Your type of attitude towards harassment like this is what leads to workplace violence.
 
2013-11-07 09:48:16 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Gonz: Waldo Pepper: Gonz: Football is the ultimate alpha male sport. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

No matter how many times you try this will never be an form of art

Hell, I wasn't "trying" for anything. I just figure this quote is now mandatory for any Incognito thread, si I was getting it out of the way early.

Don't let him Incognito you, Gonz. Don't be a Martin.


lmao
 
2013-11-07 09:49:23 AM

ongbok: You are an idiot. He complained to coaches, he complained to management and all they did was encourage more abuse. What did you want him to do to deal with his problem? Did you want him to start a fight? He is a grown ass civilized man in a workplace. He shouldn't have to physically fighting anybody to handle a situation like this. Your type of attitude towards harassment like this is what leads to workplace violence.


Or as someone mentioned earlier, he could have pulled a gilbert arenas and brought guns into this or even used them. If you are abused in the workplace, psychologically or physically, it isn't acceptable anymore and the right thing to do is take it to management if you can't get the behavior to stop. When management ignores you, then there is a real problem.

Or are we so uncivilized that we think this is ok? Do we really view these men simply as disposable gladiators there solely for our amusement?
 
2013-11-07 09:50:04 AM

srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"


So I should be able to threaten my CEO's family because he owns a helicopter?
 
2013-11-07 09:52:47 AM
Martin is a pussy, flat out...
Football has been played by men for 100 years or so?
There have been rookies and vets on the same team, in the same lover room for about the same amount of time...100 years or so, correct?
Ever heard of this NFL "bullying" before? No...
Has it probably gone on for 100 or so years as well? Sure...of course...
But if 100 or so years worth of rookies got through the "hazing"...why can't this pansy?
Cuz he's a pansy?
If you don't wanna get stuck with the bill at the end of the night...don't go out with the vets!!!! Easy solution!!!
The rest...if management told him to toughen up and smack the asshole, he shoulda done it.
 
2013-11-07 09:53:22 AM

tricycleracer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So I should be able to threaten my CEO's family because he owns a helicopter?


sure, i recommend texting him that you'd like to shiat in his mouth.
see if he quits
 
2013-11-07 09:54:28 AM

Rawhead Rex: Martin is a pussy, flat out...
Football has been played by men for 100 years or so?
There have been rookies and vets on the same team, in the same lover room for about the same amount of time...100 years or so, correct?
Ever heard of this NFL "bullying" before? No...
Has it probably gone on for 100 or so years as well? Sure...of course...
But if 100 or so years worth of rookies got through the "hazing"...why can't this pansy?
Cuz he's a pansy?
If you don't wanna get stuck with the bill at the end of the night...don't go out with the vets!!!! Easy solution!!!
The rest...if management told him to toughen up and smack the asshole, he shoulda done it.


there's a freudian typo in there
 
2013-11-07 09:54:54 AM
And from what the actual people, who witnessed it, are saying is that he took for a long time, was having problems with it, tried to roll with it and finally cracked. That is exactly what every one of those guys who was interviewed is describing.


Does it make you feel better to write down things that are patently false? Here let me try-
The Cleveland Browns are the most successful NFL team ever having won 11 Super Bowls in 15 years.This is a fact that every single person knows.
 
2013-11-07 09:55:22 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.

How are 6'5 322 pound men supposed to deal with their problems?


By not giving $15k to some other guy of the same size, just because he demands it. By calling the bully's bluff, whatever it is."you really want to shiat in my mouth, Richie? Whatever. Try it".

Certainly not by running screaming to the media, possibly ruining the other guys career and probably yours because who would want you on their team after this gutless act?
 
2013-11-07 09:59:34 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.

How are 6'5 322 pound men supposed to deal with their problems?

By not giving $15k to some other guy of the same size, just because he demands it. By calling the bully's bluff, whatever it is."you really want to shiat in my mouth, Richie? Whatever. Try it".

Certainly not by running screaming to the media, possibly ruining the other guys career and probably yours because who would want you on their team after this gutless act?


So your cool with sweatshops too? They could always just quit or bring a complaint to management right?
 
2013-11-07 10:01:40 AM

doubled99: Insisting that an NFL team is the same as any other workplace is nothing but pure stupidity.



Carving out an exception for the NFL is pure stupidity.  Police officers could argue that their work environment is unique and so the normal rules on workplace violence and intimidation shouldn't apply.  So would folks in the building trades.  As would folks working in steel mills or heavy industrial facilities.  If it's permissible for the NFL to be exempted then it would be equally permissible for other occupations to enjoy similar...latitude...in the application of the rules.


Or just continue your ignorant whining about something you obviously can't understand.


Maybe you should stop bleating like the ignorant git you are and start thinking about the consequences of what you propose.
 
2013-11-07 10:01:56 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.

How are 6'5 322 pound men supposed to deal with their problems?

By not giving $15k to some other guy of the same size, just because he demands it. By calling the bully's bluff, whatever it is."you really want to shiat in my mouth, Richie? Whatever. Try it".

Certainly not by running screaming to the media, possibly ruining the other guys career and probably yours because who would want you on their team after this gutless act?


But it's literally impossible to stand up to someone who's picking on you. The entire nation must rally around you for there to be any justice in such an egregious act of name calling. Especially if you're farking huge and make tons of money.
 
2013-11-07 10:03:20 AM

ghall3: Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.

How are 6'5 322 pound men supposed to deal with their problems?

By not giving $15k to some other guy of the same size, just because he demands it. By calling the bully's bluff, whatever it is."you really want to shiat in my mouth, Richie? Whatever. Try it".

Certainly not by running screaming to the media, possibly ruining the other guys career and probably yours because who would want you on their team after this gutless act?

So your cool with sweatshops too? They could always just quit or bring a complaint to management right?


Hopefully you did your stretches this morning. Don't want to pull something while reaching so hard
 
2013-11-07 10:06:20 AM
Every workplace is exactly the same, hyuck, hyuck!
Yep, whether you work on a construction site, an insurance office, a strip club, the US Senate, or  as a writer on Saturday Night Live, all the same rules on conduct and speech are exactly the same!

farking delusional fools.
 
2013-11-07 10:09:12 AM
The only thing that really crosses the line is the picking up the tab for a $30,000 dinner bullshiat.  For a sport when most athletes are broke a few years after retiring, that shiat has got to stop.

The namecalling?  Who the hell cares?  That's what happens when any group of men get together.  It's what guys do.   Hell, my basketball coach gave a halftime speech remarkably similar to Terrence Howard's speech in that godawful Movie 43.  He even wrote on the whiteboard that the key to our success was that the other team suffered from "TMWB".  And yeah, we came back and killed those white boys.

I think what makes the Incognito/Martin story interesting is the class dynamic.  Martin's Stanford with Ivy League parents.  Incognito's white trash, and I suspect most of Martin's teammates are either white trash or poor black kids.  Gotta imagine the first time he went into that locker room was a bit of a shock for Martin.
 
2013-11-07 10:09:26 AM

doubled99: Every workplace is exactly the same, hyuck, hyuck!
Yep, whether you work on a construction site, an insurance office, a strip club, the US Senate, or  as a writer on Saturday Night Live, all the same rules on conduct and speech are exactly the same!

farking delusional fools.


No one is saying workplaces are the same.

We are saying that there are baseline rules (and laws) that apply to all of them.

This crosses that line.  You don't get a pass on being a douche to a coworker just because you play football.
 
2013-11-07 10:10:17 AM

doubled99: Yes, and a 4th grade schoolyard fight is also assault and battery. Let's start arresting kids.



The standards used to determine culpability for children are different from those used to determine the culpability of adults.  A fight between children on a playground is assault and battery but whether the children will be held accountable depends on a different set of standards (including individual aspects of the child).  Adults, however, are measured against a reasonable person standard that is based on a fictional average person (so not an average football player).

Anyway, this is a violation of workplace laws, the individuals involved are clearly adults and are therefore subject to the same laws as everyone else.  If you don't like that, too bad, that's how the law works.  That being said, if you're ever in court, go ahead and represent yourself pro se.  I'm sure everyone watching will really enjoy listening to your theories on law.
 
2013-11-07 10:11:02 AM
Martin whined to Mommy & Daddy. The guy has some serious issues if he still needs M&D to handle his problems.Time to cut the cord, Mother.
 
2013-11-07 10:11:40 AM
If all of this was a "process to weed out" bad players...
*looks at Dolphins record the past few years*
You might need to work on that process, fellas.
Yeah. I'm a Browns fan. I STILL said it...
 
2013-11-07 10:12:18 AM
This story would have been a lot better if Martin has just shot Incognito in the head a few times.

I still have high hopes for the follow-up.
 
2013-11-07 10:12:23 AM
You can mock "warrior's code" all you want, but that very code is at work now. Overwhelming support for Incognito from his teammates. One year from now, Incognito will be playing NFL football. Martin will not.
Yammer and bleat all you want about social justice, but the men who play this sport understand it is different. It doesn't matter if you do. Token punishments will be handed out to appease society's squeaky wheels, but the nature of the locker room will not change at all.
Time to get back to your fantasy football!
 
2013-11-07 10:15:01 AM
doubled99: You can mock "warrior's code" all you want, but that very code is at work now. Overwhelming support for Incognito from his teammates. One year from now, Incognito will be playing NFL football. Martin will not.
Yammer and bleat all you want about social justice, but the men who play this sport understand it is different. It doesn't matter if you do. Token punishments will be handed out to appease society's squeaky wheels, but the nature of the locker room will not change at all.
Time to get back to your fantasy football!


WARRIOR'S CODE, FARK YEAH!!!!!
 
2013-11-07 10:19:00 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.

How are 6'5 322 pound men supposed to deal with their problems?

By not giving $15k to some other guy of the same size, just because he demands it. By calling the bully's bluff, whatever it is."you really want to shiat in my mouth, Richie? Whatever. Try it".

Certainly not by running screaming to the media, possibly ruining the other guys career and probably yours because who would want you on their team after this gutless act?


I don't know, I feel like you guys need to ignore obvious power dynamics in order for any of this to make sense.

I don't really buy that you believe he was physically intimidated, and that's what started this.
 
2013-11-07 10:19:47 AM

Marcus Aurelius: This story would have been a lot better if Martin has just shot Incognito in the head a few times.

I still have high hopes for the follow-up.


That is the outcome most of the people here seem to prefer.
 
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