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(Miami Herald)   Miami Dolphins players condemn Dick Incognito. Just kidding, they rally around him and blame Jonathan Martin for not being "cut out for this"   (miamiherald.com ) divider line
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2013-11-07 08:05:17 AM  
I swear, this almost sounds like a love gone bad.
 
2013-11-07 08:20:15 AM  
Not surprising
 
2013-11-07 08:31:24 AM  
I'm sure the hand wringers of Fark know what went on better than the people who were there.

Let's find out....
 
2013-11-07 08:32:12 AM  
I think that unless you are immersed in that culture of NFL locker room behavior, it's hard to say if someone is being too sensitive or being a bully.  I have a feeling a little of both in this case.
 
2013-11-07 08:35:23 AM  
Things rarely end well when asshole meets crazy.
 
2013-11-07 08:35:50 AM  
I don't pay much attention to football, but there was a bit on this on the Today show this morning. I do like how it was only white guys saying Incognito isn't racist. Really? Couldn't get a single black guy on the team to say that on camera?
 
2013-11-07 08:36:36 AM  
Football is the ultimate alpha male sport. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.
 
2013-11-07 08:37:13 AM  
Sad, but predictable.
 
2013-11-07 08:37:15 AM  
This is one of those stories that the media has collectively decided on a narrative and run with it. I do wonder if just maybe Martin is screwy or scheming or maybe just plain evil.

We have no idea.
 
2013-11-07 08:37:35 AM  

basemetal: I think that unless you are immersed in that culture of NFL locker room behavior, it's hard to say if someone is being too sensitive or being a bully.  I have a feeling a little of both in this case.


Depends on if the voice mail is a one time incident or indicative of a wider scope of treatment.  I'm not saying racial slurs and death threats can't be part of a "boys will be boys" scenario, but the likelyhood is pretty farking low especially when the recipient reports it..
 
2013-11-07 08:38:22 AM  
This incident could not have been handled any worse by everyone involved, including the media, had this been a normal workplace and Jonathan Martin been a woman.

I rag on "feminists" all the time, but the one thing I'll mostly agree with them on is harassment (except that I don't think asking a woman out for coffee is harassment). But they've got it easy compared to any man who isn't "tough enough" to play a sport.  There's a far bigger bully culture in sports than there is a rape culture in society.  And when such things leak, they leak hard.  (I'd even lump the Steubenville rape case and the Penn State cases into said culture.)
 
2013-11-07 08:38:53 AM  
Gonz


Yeah, you're gonna have to try a bit harder than that.

/ the 50th different person to cast that exact bait....
 
2013-11-07 08:42:14 AM  
Something something warrior's code?
 
2013-11-07 08:43:36 AM  
Please continue to disregard what the actual people involved in the story say. You know the real truth!
 
2013-11-07 08:44:44 AM  
Being sensitive does NOT make one less of a man.
 
2013-11-07 08:44:54 AM  
He's not.
 
2013-11-07 08:45:35 AM  
Sports radio (specifically Artrell Hawkins and Firman) are all over this as to "this is football...you never played the game....you don't understand" angle in defending what is essentially workplace violence, intimidation, and bad behavior.  You have to "deal with it" and you weren't made for football.

So the coonter-offensive has begun, and I think the Dolphins players coming out have essentially circled the wagons to protect themselves, as they know that, if they get the story right, they can escape punishment and hopefully their own complicity in the affair will not come to light.

Entirely predictable.  As if the NFL is somehow an organization where intimidation, workplace violence is "okay" because the "locker room" is different.  Hawkins and Firman are saying Martin should stand up for himself by fighting Incognito.  What if Martin thought the proper way to fight back is to bring a gun to the locker room?

These clowns on the radio (hawkins) compared this "bullying" in the locker room with the American fight for independence from England.  I about shot myself for the stupidity I was hearing.
 
2013-11-07 08:47:37 AM  

Mi-5: Artrell Hawkins


He is a complete idiot, but it cracks me up that he tries to talk like Barry White all the time.
 
2013-11-07 08:49:23 AM  
Why are we still discussing this? Bottom line, it's the Dolphins. We all need to take two steps back and realize we shouldn't care.
 
2013-11-07 08:55:53 AM  
No matter what you do for a living, threatening coworkers with death while using racial slurs will earn you some blow back.

This reality doesn't get suspended because locker room.
 
2013-11-07 08:56:03 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Gonz: Football is the ultimate alpha male sport. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

No matter how many times you try this will never be an form of art


Warriors' Code is so fetch!
 
2013-11-07 08:56:08 AM  
Anyone who's ever been to high school knows the jocks think they own the farking place, so what's going to make you think they're going to become caring and benevolent after they've managed to compete their way to the NFL?
Dick is just an older man-sized prick who usually works in a plant and drinks his check away through four divorces while keeping his ego afloat on glory days. Only his glory days are a lot worse...and a lot more self-justified.
 
2013-11-07 08:56:14 AM  

italie: Why are we still discussing this? Bottom line, it's the Dolphins. We all need to take two steps back and realize we shouldn't care.


true, i wish this story and the Dolphins went away forever
 
2013-11-07 08:57:28 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Gonz: Football is the ultimate alpha male sport. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

No matter how many times you try this will never be an form of art


Hell, I wasn't "trying" for anything. I just figure this quote is now mandatory for any Incognito thread, si I was getting it out of the way early.
 
2013-11-07 08:59:22 AM  
Anyone trying to blame Martin or say he should have done things differently is an idiot. I mentioned in another thread that I work in juvenile justice. I've seen so many examples of abusive relationships it would make your head spin. Whether it was in a gang setting, domestic violence, abusive boyfriend/girlfriend, or just the socially awkward kid getting picked on. The person being abused often "goes along" with things due to fear of threats or being rejected. I think it's clear Martin has got some issues, but you can't blame him for how he handled things. You blame the a-holes who put him in that situation in the first place.
And thank god this didn't end even worse. I've seen plenty of examples where these kind of relationships ended in violence.
 
2013-11-07 09:00:11 AM  

Gonz: Football is the ultimate alpha male sport. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.


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2013-11-07 09:00:33 AM  

Gonz: Waldo Pepper: Gonz: Football is the ultimate alpha male sport. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

No matter how many times you try this will never be an form of art

Hell, I wasn't "trying" for anything. I just figure this quote is now mandatory for any Incognito thread, si I was getting it out of the way early.


Don't let him Incognito you, Gonz. Don't be a Martin.
 
2013-11-07 09:01:01 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: No matter what you do for a living, threatening coworkers with death while using racial slurs will earn you some blow back.

This reality doesn't get suspended because locker room.


Context matters.

I've said absolutely reprehensible, legally actionable and morally repugnant things to my friends (several of whom were co-workers).  They didn't sue me, because they knew it was in jest.  Just as I did when they said similar things to me.  I'm not saying that's what went on here.  But, I am willing to admit I don't really know what went on here.
 
2013-11-07 09:02:21 AM  
Then they should all be banned from the sport. They have no place in society, much less on TV. Let them go rape each other in a Nebraska Corn Field
 
2013-11-07 09:02:46 AM  

Summoner101: basemetal: I think that unless you are immersed in that culture of NFL locker room behavior, it's hard to say if someone is being too sensitive or being a bully.  I have a feeling a little of both in this case.

Depends on if the voice mail is a one time incident or indicative of a wider scope of treatment.  I'm not saying racial slurs and death threats can't be part of a "boys will be boys" scenario, but the likelyhood is pretty farking low especially when the recipient reports it..


Meh, he might have talked that way to his face all the time joking around, might have been an ongoing schtick between the two.  I'm not saying there's not outrageous comments, but you don't know the dynamic that went in to it.
 
2013-11-07 09:06:13 AM  

HeathenHealer: Anyone trying to blame Martin or say he should have done things differently is an idiot. I mentioned in another thread that I work in juvenile justice. I've seen so many examples of abusive relationships it would make your head spin. Whether it was in a gang setting, domestic violence, abusive boyfriend/girlfriend, or just the socially awkward kid getting picked on. The person being abused often "goes along" with things due to fear of threats or being rejected. I think it's clear Martin has got some issues, but you can't blame him for how he handled things. You blame the a-holes who put him in that situation in the first place.
And thank god this didn't end even worse. I've seen plenty of examples where these kind of relationships ended in violence.


ever seen any examples of it on Fark or the rest of the internet?

Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"
 
2013-11-07 09:06:59 AM  
/csb

I graduated from a certain southern school that was kind of infamous for this sort of shiat.   I was there at a time when a certain unfathomably fat woman decided to matriculate and attract a great deal of attention from our Federal government and their Marshals.  As a result, I am more than familiar with the concept of a hazing culture being laid bare for public scrutiny.

What is happening in Miami is going to take some time and its not going to be pretty.  It WILL run uphill and it WILL come out that not only did everyone in the organization know of the behavior, but that they condoned it.

I won't bother arguing the merits of such an environment in other institutions, but I can comment on the rampant stupidity of espousing such behavior in a professional sports team.  Hazing cultures weed out undesirables.  My class had a 67% drop out rate.  People literally left the school in busloads.  Why the fark would you create an environment that causes people to not want to be there when you are paying each and every one of them hundreds of thousands to tens of millions in your own money to play for you?   Unreal.

The military, even when it passively allowed such behavior to occur, only did so in the process of unit qualification training (whatever training you had to endure to qualify for what ever unit that required it would most likely be designed to be hard enough to weed out those who would later prove a liability if they weren't strong enough to endure the training).  Once you were in the unit, everything was about team unification so that you grew to trust everyone on your team and they you.   Internally imposed sanctioning by one artificially contrived stratification within the unit upon another only serves to divide the unit and ultimately reduce the efficacy of the squad.  It boggles my mind that they allowed this to go on.   Hope it comes down on them like a ton of fat girl.

/end csb
 
2013-11-07 09:07:35 AM  
Sports radio (specifically Artrell Hawkins and Firman) are all over this as to "this is football...you never played the game....you don't understand" angle in defending what is essentially workplace violence, intimidation, and bad behavior.You have to "deal with it" and you weren't made for football.
So the coonter-offensive has begun, and I think the Dolphins players coming out have essentially circled the wagons to protect themselves, as they know that, if they get the story right, they can escape punishment and hopefully their own complicity in the affair will not come to light.
Entirely predictable.  As if the NFL is somehow an organization where intimidation, workplace violence is "okay" because the "locker room" is different.



Hard cold truth- IT IS.
Insisting that an NFL team is the same as any other workplace is nothing but pure stupidity. Maybe you should listen to the players involved as they continue to try and explain exactly that. Or just continue your ignorant whining about something you obviously can't understand.
 
2013-11-07 09:11:35 AM  

srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"


So that makes the abuse ok??
 
2013-11-07 09:11:47 AM  

Prevailing Wind: /csb

I graduated from a certain southern school that was kind of infamous for this sort of shiat.   I was there at a time when a certain unfathomably fat woman decided to matriculate and attract a great deal of attention from our Federal government and their Marshals.  As a result, I am more than familiar with the concept of a hazing culture being laid bare for public scrutiny.

What is happening in Miami is going to take some time and its not going to be pretty.  It WILL run uphill and it WILL come out that not only did everyone in the organization know of the behavior, but that they condoned it.

I won't bother arguing the merits of such an environment in other institutions, but I can comment on the rampant stupidity of espousing such behavior in a professional sports team.  Hazing cultures weed out undesirables.  My class had a 67% drop out rate.  People literally left the school in busloads.   Why the fark would you create an environment that causes people to not want to be there when you are paying each and every one of them hundreds of thousands to tens of millions in your own money to play for you?  Unreal.

The military, even when it passively allowed such behavior to occur, only did so in the process of unit qualification training (whatever training you had to endure to qualify for what ever unit that required it would most likely be designed to be hard enough to weed out those who would later prove a liability if they weren't strong enough to endure the training).  Once you were in the unit, everything was about team unification so that you grew to trust everyone on your team and they you.   Internally imposed sanctioning by one artificially contrived stratification within the unit upon another only serves to divide the unit and ultimately reduce the efficacy of the squad.  It boggles my mind that they allowed this to go on.   Hope it comes down on them like a ton of fat girl.

/end csb


exactly why you would, too expensive to provide a free ride for a loafer
 
2013-11-07 09:11:58 AM  

srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"


...and of course, as we all know, money makes anything ok.
 
2013-11-07 09:14:06 AM  

doubled99: Sports radio (specifically Artrell Hawkins and Firman) are all over this as to "this is football...you never played the game....you don't understand" angle in defending what is essentially workplace violence, intimidation, and bad behavior.You have to "deal with it" and you weren't made for football.
So the coonter-offensive has begun, and I think the Dolphins players coming out have essentially circled the wagons to protect themselves, as they know that, if they get the story right, they can escape punishment and hopefully their own complicity in the affair will not come to light.
Entirely predictable.  As if the NFL is somehow an organization where intimidation, workplace violence is "okay" because the "locker room" is different.


Hard cold truth- IT IS.



Legally it isn't, and that's all that is going to matter.
 
2013-11-07 09:14:09 AM  

HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??


it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?
 
2013-11-07 09:15:28 AM  

doubled99: Hard cold truth- IT IS.
Insisting that an NFL team is the same as any other workplace is nothing but pure stupidity. Maybe you should listen to the players involved as they continue to try and explain exactly that. Or just continue your ignorant whining about something you obviously can't understand.


See, even if it isn't the same as other workplace, that doesn't give it a pass to workplace laws.  And poor Richie and the Dolphins violated a lot of workplace -and regular- laws with the treatment Martin received.  Hell, for threatening voice mails he could go to jail.  I doubt there will be criminal prosecution but he doesn't get a pass because he plays football.
 
2013-11-07 09:15:32 AM  

IlGreven: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

...and of course, as we all know, money makes anything ok.


of course it doesn't.  But if you don't want to get taunted, teased, yelled at, hit in the head VERY VERY HARD, etc, perhaps soccer is your route ;)
 
2013-11-07 09:17:37 AM  

srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?


I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.
 
2013-11-07 09:20:02 AM  

QueenMamaBee: I don't pay much attention to football, but there was a bit on this on the Today show this morning. I do like how it was only white guys saying Incognito isn't racist. Really? Couldn't get a single black guy on the team to say that on camera?


There's your problem
 
2013-11-07 09:20:44 AM  

srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?


Yes, because even one voicemail of that type is unacceptable.  In any job that would (or should) get you fired.  And it wasn't the only incident, as their was the one that caused Martin to leave, and the ones others have discussed.

The way I look at it is would I defend a coworker harassing someone dealing with mental health issues even if it was to "toughen them up?"  No, because I am not an asshole or a moron.
 
2013-11-07 09:20:58 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Waldo Pepper: Gonz: Football is the ultimate alpha male sport. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

No matter how many times you try this will never be an form of art

Warriors' Code is so fetch!


thefetchblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-07 09:21:12 AM  

HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.


what more have we found out?  honestly, not trolling, curious.
All I have read is the voicemail transcript.  Wonder when the audio will come out?  Heard about texts, but haven't seen any.

And Martin's reaction doesn't make it so.  Heck plenty of footballers have flipped out.  Even the Dolphins have dealt with it.  Google Dimitrius Underwood.

Anybody recall what happened at Kansas City last year?

Wonder if the Dolphins will be unbeatable next year...
 
2013-11-07 09:21:41 AM  
This guy Martin is such a little biatch. I bet he wears his jock-strap in the shower so none of the other players can see his swollen, bleeding mangina. Come on Martin, I've seen soccer players and horse jockeys with more gumption.

I bet Martin sings Lady Gaga songs while making souffles.
 
2013-11-07 09:22:23 AM  
See, even if it isn't the same as other workplace, that doesn't give it a pass to workplace laws.


Yes, and a 4th grade schoolyard fight is also assault and battery. Let's start arresting kids.
 
2013-11-07 09:23:01 AM  

srgrobe: Prevailing Wind: /csb

I graduated from a certain southern school that was kind of infamous for this sort of shiat.   I was there at a time when a certain unfathomably fat woman decided to matriculate and attract a great deal of attention from our Federal government and their Marshals.  As a result, I am more than familiar with the concept of a hazing culture being laid bare for public scrutiny.

What is happening in Miami is going to take some time and its not going to be pretty.  It WILL run uphill and it WILL come out that not only did everyone in the organization know of the behavior, but that they condoned it.

I won't bother arguing the merits of such an environment in other institutions, but I can comment on the rampant stupidity of espousing such behavior in a professional sports team.  Hazing cultures weed out undesirables.  My class had a 67% drop out rate.  People literally left the school in busloads.   Why the fark would you create an environment that causes people to not want to be there when you are paying each and every one of them hundreds of thousands to tens of millions in your own money to play for you?   Unreal.

The military, even when it passively allowed such behavior to occur, only did so in the process of unit qualification training (whatever training you had to endure to qualify for what ever unit that required it would most likely be designed to be hard enough to weed out those who would later prove a liability if they weren't strong enough to endure the training).  Once you were in the unit, everything was about team unification so that you grew to trust everyone on your team and they you.   Internally imposed sanctioning by one artificially contrived stratification within the unit upon another only serves to divide the unit and ultimately reduce the efficacy of the squad.  It boggles my mind that they allowed this to go on.   Hope it comes down on them like a ton of fat girl.

/end csb

exactly why you would, too expensive to provide a ...


If only there was some way for you to actively cause an employee, even without their volition,  to leave your employ resulting in them not being able to draw a salary from you any more...
 
2013-11-07 09:24:00 AM  

sign_of_Zeta: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

Yes, because even one voicemail of that type is unacceptable.  In any job that would (or should) get you fired.  And it wasn't the only incident, as their was the one that caused Martin to leave, and the ones others have discussed.

The way I look at it is would I defend a coworker harassing someone dealing with mental health issues even if it was to "toughen them up?"  No, because I am not an asshole or a moron.


have you heard that Martin himself may have been proudly playing his saved voicemail for teammates awhile back, and laughing?  if that's true, still unacceptable?

/never leaves a voicemail
 
2013-11-07 09:24:44 AM  
AAAHhaahahaha!  That worthless stool-sample, Jeff Ireland, is now saying Martin should have punched Incognito.

While that may be true, it is no way to manage a business.  It would make just as much sense...and be far more satisfying...if Martin had punched Ireland, Philbin and the rest of the cockmunches that were supposed to be running the team.  Of course, that eventually gets you to postal workers, automatic weapons and 'standing your ground' in Florida.

F*ck Ireland, that sports chickenhawk.  He was a kicker.  Everybody with a team, down to the 80 y/o secretary, could kick his ass.
 
2013-11-07 09:25:20 AM  
Sounds like they want to stop this before it gets out how complicit they are in all of this.
 
2013-11-07 09:25:51 AM  

doubled99: See, even if it isn't the same as other workplace, that doesn't give it a pass to workplace laws.


Yes, and a 4th grade schoolyard fight is also assault and battery. Let's start arresting kids.


Happens all the time. Anyway, violating laws like that would rarely lead to arrest.
 
2013-11-07 09:25:53 AM  
Prevailing Wind:

yes, they could just cut him.

If only there was some way for you to actively have unlimited second round draft picks.
 
2013-11-07 09:26:17 AM  

srgrobe: Google Dimitrius Underwood.


I'm a Vikings fan. Ugggggh.

srgrobe: what more have we found out?  honestly, not trolling, curious.


Sounds like the coaching staff was involved. Players knew. And of course we have the voicemail. It seems like it's getting worse for the organization, not better.
 
2013-11-07 09:27:26 AM  

srgrobe: have you heard that Martin himself may have been proudly playing his saved voicemail for teammates awhile back, and laughing?  if that's true, still unacceptable?

/never leaves a voicemail


Yes, because those being abused never bring up such stuff in similar ways as cries for help... or, you know, it could simply be a defense mechanism the other players are using to defend Incognito.

If the Coach's knew that happened and didn't tell everyone to knock that shiat off, they are even more culpable.  Workplace harassment doesn't get a pass simply because the harassed says it's not a big deal.
 
2013-11-07 09:29:07 AM  

QueenMamaBee: I don't pay much attention to football, but there was a bit on this on the Today show this morning. I do like how it was only white guys saying Incognito isn't racist. Really? Couldn't get a single black guy on the team to say that on camera?


http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24195746/report-teammate s-considered-incognito-an-honorary-black-man
 
2013-11-07 09:30:15 AM  

HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Google Dimitrius Underwood.

I'm a Vikings fan. Ugggggh.

srgrobe: what more have we found out?  honestly, not trolling, curious.

Sounds like the coaching staff was involved. Players knew. And of course we have the voicemail. It seems like it's getting worse for the organization, not better.


Pro Football Talk may just be stirring shiat up.  Martin's agent/attorney may just be stirring shiat up.
Or the very most likely, Jeff Ireland may indeed be a super huge prick that says very insenstive things.
Not sure that's a capital offense though.  Sorry about your Vikes
 
2013-11-07 09:30:18 AM  

Confabulat: This is one of those stories that the media has collectively decided on a narrative and run with it. I do wonder if just maybe Martin is screwy or scheming or maybe just plain evil.

We have no idea.


this seems to be the reporting framework for every "news" story these days. run wild, with your hair on fire, in one direction and then rebound with equal intensity in the other direction.
 
2013-11-07 09:30:52 AM  
*troll on*
Can we just ban liberals from watching football already? It's obvious that their relentless victim-searching and the trumped up charges in their idea of social justice will not stop until they achieve their lifelong goal: Having the NFFL (National Flag Football League) Super Bowl end in a tie, with the gay black quarterback for the Washington White Guilts having won co-MVP with transgendered linebacker for the Denver Equalities.
*troll off*

How'd I do?
 
2013-11-07 09:31:23 AM  

srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"


No, he was getting paid millions to play football.

doubled99: See, even if it isn't the same as other workplace, that doesn't give it a pass to workplace laws.


Yes, and a 4th grade schoolyard fight is also assault and battery. Let's start arresting kids.


Congratulations,. You just said football players have the mentality of children.

Man, stories about workplace bullying really bring out the Grover Dills.
 
2013-11-07 09:31:25 AM  

doubled99: See, even if it isn't the same as other workplace, that doesn't give it a pass to workplace laws.


Yes, and a 4th grade schoolyard fight is also assault and battery. Let's start arresting kids.



these are not 4th graders. They are grown ass men who have to follow the laws of society. They are not special because they play a game.
 
2013-11-07 09:32:30 AM  

HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.


Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.
 
2013-11-07 09:33:29 AM  
I do like how it was only white guys saying Incognito isn't racist.

Perhaps you should stay up to date. I invite everyone hear to the words of his own black teammates, who said Incognito is an "honorary" brother and not a single one considers him to be racist. But why listen to the team's beat writer or any of these players, right? You know the real truth!
 
2013-11-07 09:34:04 AM  

doubled99: Please continue to disregard what the actual people involved in the story say. You know the real truth!


And from what the actual people, who witnessed it, are saying is that he took for a long time, was having problems with it, tried to roll with it and finally cracked. That is exactly what every one of those guys who was interviewed is describing.
 
2013-11-07 09:35:17 AM  
these are not 4th graders. They are grown ass men who have to follow the laws of society. They are not special because they play a game.


I'm sorry the mean jocks picked on you in HS but they really can't hurt you anymore.
 
2013-11-07 09:35:41 AM  
We cannot know everything that went on here. That much is true. We can, however, look at Incognito's history. The guy was kicked out at Nebraska for God's sake. This is the place that gave Lawrence Phillips a standing ovation when he returned from a suspension for beating up a woman. This is the place that turned a blind eye to Christian Peters fondling and possibly raping of women. Incognito is a horrible human being. We know that much even without this episode. I think Martin deserves the benefit of the doubt.
 
2013-11-07 09:36:15 AM  
The Muthaship:

Context matters.

I've said absolutely reprehensible, legally actionable and morally repugnant things to my friends (several of whom were co-workers).  They didn't sue me, because they knew it was in jest.  Just as I did when they said similar things to me.  I'm not saying that's what went on here.  But, I am willing to admit I don't really know what went on here.


This is pretty much what I'm thinking, too.  We don't really know what relationship these two had.  Maybe they say  these types of things to each other all the time.  I know my best friends and i say things to each other that, if taken out of context of our relationship, would leave normal people aghast.  Just yesterday I told a friend that he should eat a bag of dicks and insinuated that his newborn child was actually biologically mine, and that was just because we disagreed about how long Aaron Rodgers would be sidelined with his injury.  His response was that I could not have fathered his child due to erectile dysfunction and that the only reason he hadn't killed me yet was because he enjoyed thinking about how he was going to kill me later.  Obviously the language used was far harsher than I feel comfortable typing in a random message board.

We just don't know.  Do I think what Richie did was OK? No, but I'm not ready to judge him entirely based on a few carefully released quotes.  Only these two know how this situation truly played out.  Truthfully I don't give two shiat what these two men said to each other, they're men and it's a close knit locker room culture.  My biggest issue stems from the seeming extortion of $15K for the Las Vegas trip.
 
2013-11-07 09:36:16 AM  

Frank N Stein: *troll on*
Can we just ban liberals from watching football already? It's obvious that their relentless victim-searching and the trumped up charges in their idea of social justice will not stop until they achieve their lifelong goal: Having the NFFL (National Flag Football League) Super Bowl end in a tie, with the gay black quarterback for the Washington White Guilts having won co-MVP with transgendered linebacker for the Denver Equalities.
*troll off*

How'd I do?


brilliant.  Washington White Guilts sealed it
 
2013-11-07 09:36:47 AM  

SuperT: these are not 4th graders. They are grown ass-men who have to follow the laws of society. They are not special because they play a game.


/ftfy
 
2013-11-07 09:37:25 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24195746/report-teammat e s-considered-incognito-an-honorary-black-man


My brain hurts after that article.
 
2013-11-07 09:38:11 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.


How are 6'5 322 pound men supposed to deal with their problems?
 
2013-11-07 09:38:25 AM  

doubled99: these are not 4th graders. They are grown ass men who have to follow the laws of society. They are not special because they play a game.


I'm sorry the mean jocks picked on you in HS but they really can't hurt you anymore.


I was the bully. and I farking regret it like nothing else. I recognize a piece of shiat bully who never grew up. There are plenty of NFL teams where this shiat would not fly, it is a workplace. These men are professionals and should act like it.

You think this piece of shiat would get away with this on the Colts? or the Patriots?
 
2013-11-07 09:38:55 AM  

doubled99: I'm sorry the mean jocks picked on you in HS but they really can't hurt you anymore.


Thats probably what Jonathan Martin thought as well.

You can kiss ass all you want but Incognito will only let you suck his cock in private, he will never admit his man love for you in public so let it go.

/love that you were called on your bullshiat so you decided to turn it into something mocking yourself
//almost a nice save
 
2013-11-07 09:39:27 AM  

doubled99: these are not 4th graders. They are grown ass men who have to follow the laws of society. They are not special because they play a game.


I'm sorry the mean jocks picked on you in HS but they really can't hurt you anymore.


Honestly it sound like you're the one that took repeated blows to the head here.
 
2013-11-07 09:40:45 AM  
If only there was some way for you to actively cause an employee, even without their volition,  to leave your employ resulting in them not being able to draw a salary from you any more... If only there was some way for you to actively cause an employee, even without their volition,  to leave your employ resulting in them not being able to draw a salary from you any more...

Especially in the NFL where your contract can be voided in a heartbeat.  If a player was a "loafer" he'd be cut with no questions asked.
 
2013-11-07 09:42:33 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.


You are an idiot. He complained to coaches, he complained to management and all they did was encourage more abuse. What did you want him to do to deal with his problem? Did you want him to start a fight? He is a grown ass civilized man in a workplace. He shouldn't have to physically fighting anybody to handle a situation like this. Your type of attitude towards harassment like this is what leads to workplace violence.
 
2013-11-07 09:48:16 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Gonz: Waldo Pepper: Gonz: Football is the ultimate alpha male sport. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

No matter how many times you try this will never be an form of art

Hell, I wasn't "trying" for anything. I just figure this quote is now mandatory for any Incognito thread, si I was getting it out of the way early.

Don't let him Incognito you, Gonz. Don't be a Martin.


lmao
 
2013-11-07 09:49:23 AM  

ongbok: You are an idiot. He complained to coaches, he complained to management and all they did was encourage more abuse. What did you want him to do to deal with his problem? Did you want him to start a fight? He is a grown ass civilized man in a workplace. He shouldn't have to physically fighting anybody to handle a situation like this. Your type of attitude towards harassment like this is what leads to workplace violence.


Or as someone mentioned earlier, he could have pulled a gilbert arenas and brought guns into this or even used them. If you are abused in the workplace, psychologically or physically, it isn't acceptable anymore and the right thing to do is take it to management if you can't get the behavior to stop. When management ignores you, then there is a real problem.

Or are we so uncivilized that we think this is ok? Do we really view these men simply as disposable gladiators there solely for our amusement?
 
2013-11-07 09:50:04 AM  

srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"


So I should be able to threaten my CEO's family because he owns a helicopter?
 
2013-11-07 09:52:47 AM  
Martin is a pussy, flat out...
Football has been played by men for 100 years or so?
There have been rookies and vets on the same team, in the same lover room for about the same amount of time...100 years or so, correct?
Ever heard of this NFL "bullying" before? No...
Has it probably gone on for 100 or so years as well? Sure...of course...
But if 100 or so years worth of rookies got through the "hazing"...why can't this pansy?
Cuz he's a pansy?
If you don't wanna get stuck with the bill at the end of the night...don't go out with the vets!!!! Easy solution!!!
The rest...if management told him to toughen up and smack the asshole, he shoulda done it.
 
2013-11-07 09:53:22 AM  

tricycleracer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So I should be able to threaten my CEO's family because he owns a helicopter?


sure, i recommend texting him that you'd like to shiat in his mouth.
see if he quits
 
2013-11-07 09:54:28 AM  

Rawhead Rex: Martin is a pussy, flat out...
Football has been played by men for 100 years or so?
There have been rookies and vets on the same team, in the same lover room for about the same amount of time...100 years or so, correct?
Ever heard of this NFL "bullying" before? No...
Has it probably gone on for 100 or so years as well? Sure...of course...
But if 100 or so years worth of rookies got through the "hazing"...why can't this pansy?
Cuz he's a pansy?
If you don't wanna get stuck with the bill at the end of the night...don't go out with the vets!!!! Easy solution!!!
The rest...if management told him to toughen up and smack the asshole, he shoulda done it.


there's a freudian typo in there
 
2013-11-07 09:54:54 AM  
And from what the actual people, who witnessed it, are saying is that he took for a long time, was having problems with it, tried to roll with it and finally cracked. That is exactly what every one of those guys who was interviewed is describing.


Does it make you feel better to write down things that are patently false? Here let me try-
The Cleveland Browns are the most successful NFL team ever having won 11 Super Bowls in 15 years.This is a fact that every single person knows.
 
2013-11-07 09:55:22 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.

How are 6'5 322 pound men supposed to deal with their problems?


By not giving $15k to some other guy of the same size, just because he demands it. By calling the bully's bluff, whatever it is."you really want to shiat in my mouth, Richie? Whatever. Try it".

Certainly not by running screaming to the media, possibly ruining the other guys career and probably yours because who would want you on their team after this gutless act?
 
2013-11-07 09:59:34 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.

How are 6'5 322 pound men supposed to deal with their problems?

By not giving $15k to some other guy of the same size, just because he demands it. By calling the bully's bluff, whatever it is."you really want to shiat in my mouth, Richie? Whatever. Try it".

Certainly not by running screaming to the media, possibly ruining the other guys career and probably yours because who would want you on their team after this gutless act?


So your cool with sweatshops too? They could always just quit or bring a complaint to management right?
 
2013-11-07 10:01:40 AM  

doubled99: Insisting that an NFL team is the same as any other workplace is nothing but pure stupidity.



Carving out an exception for the NFL is pure stupidity.  Police officers could argue that their work environment is unique and so the normal rules on workplace violence and intimidation shouldn't apply.  So would folks in the building trades.  As would folks working in steel mills or heavy industrial facilities.  If it's permissible for the NFL to be exempted then it would be equally permissible for other occupations to enjoy similar...latitude...in the application of the rules.


Or just continue your ignorant whining about something you obviously can't understand.


Maybe you should stop bleating like the ignorant git you are and start thinking about the consequences of what you propose.
 
2013-11-07 10:01:56 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.

How are 6'5 322 pound men supposed to deal with their problems?

By not giving $15k to some other guy of the same size, just because he demands it. By calling the bully's bluff, whatever it is."you really want to shiat in my mouth, Richie? Whatever. Try it".

Certainly not by running screaming to the media, possibly ruining the other guys career and probably yours because who would want you on their team after this gutless act?


But it's literally impossible to stand up to someone who's picking on you. The entire nation must rally around you for there to be any justice in such an egregious act of name calling. Especially if you're farking huge and make tons of money.
 
2013-11-07 10:03:20 AM  

ghall3: Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.

How are 6'5 322 pound men supposed to deal with their problems?

By not giving $15k to some other guy of the same size, just because he demands it. By calling the bully's bluff, whatever it is."you really want to shiat in my mouth, Richie? Whatever. Try it".

Certainly not by running screaming to the media, possibly ruining the other guys career and probably yours because who would want you on their team after this gutless act?

So your cool with sweatshops too? They could always just quit or bring a complaint to management right?


Hopefully you did your stretches this morning. Don't want to pull something while reaching so hard
 
2013-11-07 10:06:20 AM  
Every workplace is exactly the same, hyuck, hyuck!
Yep, whether you work on a construction site, an insurance office, a strip club, the US Senate, or  as a writer on Saturday Night Live, all the same rules on conduct and speech are exactly the same!

farking delusional fools.
 
2013-11-07 10:09:12 AM  
The only thing that really crosses the line is the picking up the tab for a $30,000 dinner bullshiat.  For a sport when most athletes are broke a few years after retiring, that shiat has got to stop.

The namecalling?  Who the hell cares?  That's what happens when any group of men get together.  It's what guys do.   Hell, my basketball coach gave a halftime speech remarkably similar to Terrence Howard's speech in that godawful Movie 43.  He even wrote on the whiteboard that the key to our success was that the other team suffered from "TMWB".  And yeah, we came back and killed those white boys.

I think what makes the Incognito/Martin story interesting is the class dynamic.  Martin's Stanford with Ivy League parents.  Incognito's white trash, and I suspect most of Martin's teammates are either white trash or poor black kids.  Gotta imagine the first time he went into that locker room was a bit of a shock for Martin.
 
2013-11-07 10:09:26 AM  

doubled99: Every workplace is exactly the same, hyuck, hyuck!
Yep, whether you work on a construction site, an insurance office, a strip club, the US Senate, or  as a writer on Saturday Night Live, all the same rules on conduct and speech are exactly the same!

farking delusional fools.


No one is saying workplaces are the same.

We are saying that there are baseline rules (and laws) that apply to all of them.

This crosses that line.  You don't get a pass on being a douche to a coworker just because you play football.
 
2013-11-07 10:10:17 AM  

doubled99: Yes, and a 4th grade schoolyard fight is also assault and battery. Let's start arresting kids.



The standards used to determine culpability for children are different from those used to determine the culpability of adults.  A fight between children on a playground is assault and battery but whether the children will be held accountable depends on a different set of standards (including individual aspects of the child).  Adults, however, are measured against a reasonable person standard that is based on a fictional average person (so not an average football player).

Anyway, this is a violation of workplace laws, the individuals involved are clearly adults and are therefore subject to the same laws as everyone else.  If you don't like that, too bad, that's how the law works.  That being said, if you're ever in court, go ahead and represent yourself pro se.  I'm sure everyone watching will really enjoy listening to your theories on law.
 
2013-11-07 10:11:02 AM  
Martin whined to Mommy & Daddy. The guy has some serious issues if he still needs M&D to handle his problems.Time to cut the cord, Mother.
 
2013-11-07 10:11:40 AM  
If all of this was a "process to weed out" bad players...
*looks at Dolphins record the past few years*
You might need to work on that process, fellas.
Yeah. I'm a Browns fan. I STILL said it...
 
2013-11-07 10:12:18 AM  
This story would have been a lot better if Martin has just shot Incognito in the head a few times.

I still have high hopes for the follow-up.
 
2013-11-07 10:12:23 AM  
You can mock "warrior's code" all you want, but that very code is at work now. Overwhelming support for Incognito from his teammates. One year from now, Incognito will be playing NFL football. Martin will not.
Yammer and bleat all you want about social justice, but the men who play this sport understand it is different. It doesn't matter if you do. Token punishments will be handed out to appease society's squeaky wheels, but the nature of the locker room will not change at all.
Time to get back to your fantasy football!
 
2013-11-07 10:15:01 AM  
doubled99: You can mock "warrior's code" all you want, but that very code is at work now. Overwhelming support for Incognito from his teammates. One year from now, Incognito will be playing NFL football. Martin will not.
Yammer and bleat all you want about social justice, but the men who play this sport understand it is different. It doesn't matter if you do. Token punishments will be handed out to appease society's squeaky wheels, but the nature of the locker room will not change at all.
Time to get back to your fantasy football!


WARRIOR'S CODE, FARK YEAH!!!!!
 
2013-11-07 10:19:00 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: HeathenHealer: srgrobe: Perspective, get u some.  Martin was getting paid millions to take this awful "abuse"

So that makes the abuse ok??

it's why I put "abuse" in quotes.  Are you all positively sure this man was abused?  one voicemail transcript and a anecdote about paying for a Vegas trip....anything else you are certain of?

I agree with you on the facts so far. But the more we find out the shiattier it looks for Miami and Incognito, doesn't it?? Also, judging by Martin's reaction it seems pretty clear something was "wrong" with this whole situation.

Not at all. The more we hear about it, the more it looks like Martin was soft and rather than deal with his problems like a 6'5 322 pound man he went crying to the media.

How are 6'5 322 pound men supposed to deal with their problems?

By not giving $15k to some other guy of the same size, just because he demands it. By calling the bully's bluff, whatever it is."you really want to shiat in my mouth, Richie? Whatever. Try it".

Certainly not by running screaming to the media, possibly ruining the other guys career and probably yours because who would want you on their team after this gutless act?


I don't know, I feel like you guys need to ignore obvious power dynamics in order for any of this to make sense.

I don't really buy that you believe he was physically intimidated, and that's what started this.
 
2013-11-07 10:19:47 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: This story would have been a lot better if Martin has just shot Incognito in the head a few times.

I still have high hopes for the follow-up.


That is the outcome most of the people here seem to prefer.
 
2013-11-07 10:22:09 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Marcus Aurelius: This story would have been a lot better if Martin has just shot Incognito in the head a few times.

I still have high hopes for the follow-up.

That is the outcome most of the people here seem to prefer.


That was the only outcome that guaranteed we wouldn't be hearing about this on SportsCenter every day for the next two years.
 
2013-11-07 10:22:40 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Sounds like they want to stop this before it gets out how complicit they are in all of this.


Either one person is lying or 52 are.
 
2013-11-07 10:28:38 AM  

doubled99: You can mock "warrior's code" all you want, but that very code is at work now. Overwhelming support for Incognito from his teammates. One year from now, Incognito will be playing NFL football. Martin will not.
Yammer and bleat all you want about social justice, but the men who play this sport understand it is different. It doesn't matter if you do. Token punishments will be handed out to appease society's squeaky wheels, but the nature of the locker room will not change at all.
Time to get back to your fantasy football!


Call it a code, but not the "warriors code." Warriors in the military are fighting for their own survival as well as whatever freedoms we might still have left (enter your own assessment here.)
NFL players are playing for ego and money.
It may not change, but dressing it up as something completely selfless and vital for society's function is insulting to your own intelligence more than it is mine.
 
2013-11-07 10:29:53 AM  

Polish Brainiac: Call it a code, but not the "warriors code." Warriors in the military are fighting for their own survival as well as whatever freedoms we might still have left


Ah yes, the Kellen Winslow, Jr. Axiom
 
2013-11-07 10:31:07 AM  

mikaloyd: Crewmannumber6: Sounds like they want to stop this before it gets out how complicit they are in all of this.

Either one person is lying or 52 are.


Or 52 are covering their asses because they were willfully ignorant about what was going on.

It's easy to say "we thought they were boys" and wash your hands of the whole thing.

This is a group of people that put Incognito on a leadership council. Even throwing this Martin stuff out, Richie should not be anywhere near a position where anyone considers him to be a leader.
 
2013-11-07 10:31:40 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: doubled99: You can mock "warrior's code" all you want, but that very code is at work now. Overwhelming support for Incognito from his teammates. One year from now, Incognito will be playing NFL football. Martin will not.
Yammer and bleat all you want about social justice, but the men who play this sport understand it is different. It doesn't matter if you do. Token punishments will be handed out to appease society's squeaky wheels, but the nature of the locker room will not change at all.
Time to get back to your fantasy football!

WARRIOR'S CODE, FARK YEAH!!!!!


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TO CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES ON TWITTER, POOP IN THEIR MOUTHS, AND HEAR THE LITIGATION OF THEIR LAWYERS!
 
2013-11-07 10:35:10 AM  
Ah yes, the Kellen Winslow, Jr. Axiom

Pretty much. After all, I had to root for the guy for  few years while he couldn't handle the Motorcycle Code.
 
2013-11-07 10:36:43 AM  
Just because Martin isn't cut out for "this" doesn't mean "this" should even exist.
 
2013-11-07 10:37:57 AM  
i.imgur.com

Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.
 
2013-11-07 10:38:53 AM  

doubled99: farking delusional fools.


Damn right. It's fine in some offices to threaten a co-worker's family with harm.
 
2013-11-07 10:44:31 AM  

Funbags: [i.imgur.com image 596x329]

Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.


Good to know that you support segregation
 
2013-11-07 10:47:47 AM  

srgrobe: Prevailing Wind:

yes, they could just cut him.

If only there was some way for you to actively have unlimited second round draft picks.


Ahhhh...now you're getting somewhere.   Please note in my initial posting that I don't castigate organizations for having some manner of harrowing experience prior to inclusion.  If the NFL assessed mental toughness as thoroughly as they do physical aptitude in the combine, I daresay it would result in a better product.  They don't though and once the guy is drafted he is yours for better or for worse.  From that point on, it is the responsibility of the entire team to find the best way to create an optimal environment for each and every one of their players to excel.
 
2013-11-07 10:49:10 AM  
i1.ytimg.com

'Martin, maybe football isn't your game.  I know, let's have a nice game of checkers.'
 
2013-11-07 10:49:22 AM  

Funbags: [i.imgur.com image 596x329]

Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.


So it is ok for your teammates to call you and leave you harassing messages? How about forcing them to cough up thousands of dollars? And what other workplaces is this acceptable in? McDonalds? Construction sites? There is name calling and ribbing that goes on, but it is pretty damn clear that Incognito crossed way over the line with Martin. And also when a boss tells you to punch another co worker, that is not acceptable in any workplace.
 
2013-11-07 10:52:29 AM  
I totally would have kicked Incognito's ass, and made him my biatch.
 
2013-11-07 10:54:29 AM  

Confabulat: I swear, this almost sounds like a love gone bad.


I actually had that thought float through my brain last night - classic break-up scenario.
 
2013-11-07 10:56:19 AM  

IlGreven: This incident could not have been handled any worse by everyone involved, including the media, had this been a normal workplace and Jonathan Martin been a woman.

I rag on "feminists" all the time, but the one thing I'll mostly agree with them on is harassment (except that I don't think asking a woman out for coffee is harassment). But they've got it easy compared to any man who isn't "tough enough" to play a sport.  There's a far bigger bully culture in sports than there is a rape culture in society.  And when such things leak, they leak hard.  (I'd even lump the Steubenville rape case and the Penn State cases into said culture.)


8/10 ... you would have got the full 10 if it weren't for the fact that you did it in the sports tab and no feminist is ever going to read it.
 
2013-11-07 10:59:50 AM  

ladodger34: mikaloyd: Crewmannumber6: Sounds like they want to stop this before it gets out how complicit they are in all of this.

Either one person is lying or 52 are.

Or 52 are covering their asses because they were willfully ignorant about what was going on.

It's easy to say "we thought they were boys" and wash your hands of the whole thing.

This is a group of people that put Incognito on a leadership council. Even throwing this Martin stuff out, Richie should not be anywhere near a position where anyone considers him to be a leader.


I love a good conspiracy theory. Tell me more.
 
2013-11-07 11:00:53 AM  

Rawhead Rex: If you don't wanna get stuck with the bill at the end of the night...don't go out with the vets!!!! Easy solution!!!


Or how about "Fark no, buy your own dinner.  Oh you're going to threaten me?  I'm huge, do so something ..."

That's probably what the vets were waiting for.  Trying to teach him to grow a spine and stand up for himself, but he never did.
 
2013-11-07 11:01:02 AM  

Funbags: Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.


So what would be the acceptable amount of violence to "handle it"? Martin punching him in the face at practice? Beating him unconscious in the locker room? Stabbing him? Shooting him? How do you know Martin wouldn't have just walked in and blown his head off one day if he didn't seek help?
 
2013-11-07 11:01:43 AM  
It's fun to watch Neanderthals struggle to keep intact one of their last bastions. Eventually, they're going to have to grow up, and that terrifies them, so of course they're going to demonize the whistleblower. The fun part will be watching as the NFL tries to balance "keeping a high profit margin" with "keeping a professional demeanor" in their response. It's clear that this kind of brutal behavior has been acceptable for far too long in a society that's supposed to be moving away from this kind of stupidity.
 
2013-11-07 11:03:03 AM  

born_yesterday: I totally would have kicked Incognito's ass, and made him my biatch.


I still want to know what an "angry bottom" is.
 
2013-11-07 11:06:03 AM  
The NFL has always been decades and decades behind the rest of society in terms of social progress. They're just socially backwards and slow to change. It has nothing to do with the WARRIOR CODE, although that is the funniest thing I've seen here in a long time. I love how doubled99 has doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on it. He's going down with the ship, and you gotta respect that. Or not. Anyway, it's funny.

You can't expect a bunch of grown adults to live like they belong to an obnoxious fraternity and get away with it in 2013. That system is archaic, and it's going to crumble eventually. Let's just admit it and move on like a civilized society. Next can we talk about the ridiculous practice of interviewing athletes half-naked in the locker room like they're a bunch of livestock animals? Because that's just retarded. Maybe being treated like adults would help some of them learn how to act like adults.
 
2013-11-07 11:06:45 AM  
Just found out that Martin went to high school where my sister teaches (Harvard-Westlake in LA). He passed on going to Harvard (both of his parents are Harvard alums) so he could play football at Stanford. If he had gone to Harvard his family would have been the first 4-generation black family to attend. He planned to go to Harvard Law School after his football career was over so that's probably what he'll do now.
 
2013-11-07 11:07:30 AM  

ghall3: Funbags: Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.

So what would be the acceptable amount of violence to "handle it"? Martin punching him in the face at practice? Beating him unconscious in the locker room? Stabbing him? Shooting him? How do you know Martin wouldn't have just walked in and blown his head off one day if he didn't seek help?


How much ACTUAL violence was directed toward Martin - or was it all verbal?  If it was all verbal, why couldn't he just run his mouth back, like everyone else does?
 
2013-11-07 11:08:30 AM  

BinderWoman: Just found out that Martin went to high school where my sister teaches (Harvard-Westlake in LA). He passed on going to Harvard (both of his parents are Harvard alums) so he could play football at Stanford. If he had gone to Harvard his family would have been the first 4-generation black family to attend. He planned to go to Harvard Law School after his football career was over so that's probably what he'll do now.


Check out the big brain on Jonathon
 
2013-11-07 11:16:42 AM  

spiderpaz: If it was all verbal, why couldn't he just run his mouth back, like everyone else does?


I suppose when someone is repeatedly leaving obscenity-laden voice mail messages threatening violence against you and your family (whether they were credible threats or not), getting all up in that person's face and escalating the situation is one way to go. Another way would be to say "F*ck this. This is beyond f*cked up." Then leave, tell the organization why you left, and let them deal with their own sh*t.
 
2013-11-07 11:18:16 AM  

spiderpaz: ghall3: Funbags: Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.

So what would be the acceptable amount of violence to "handle it"? Martin punching him in the face at practice? Beating him unconscious in the locker room? Stabbing him? Shooting him? How do you know Martin wouldn't have just walked in and blown his head off one day if he didn't seek help?

How much ACTUAL violence was directed toward Martin - or was it all verbal?  If it was all verbal, why couldn't he just run his mouth back, like everyone else does?


How about when it was clear that somebody doesn't like what you are saying, you stop messing with them? That is how civilized adults handle things in an environment with co workers.
 
2013-11-07 11:22:19 AM  

ongbok: spiderpaz: ghall3: Funbags: Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.

So what would be the acceptable amount of violence to "handle it"? Martin punching him in the face at practice? Beating him unconscious in the locker room? Stabbing him? Shooting him? How do you know Martin wouldn't have just walked in and blown his head off one day if he didn't seek help?

How much ACTUAL violence was directed toward Martin - or was it all verbal?  If it was all verbal, why couldn't he just run his mouth back, like everyone else does?

How about when it was clear that somebody doesn't like what you are saying, you stop messing with them? That is how civilized adults handle things in an environment with co workers.


Well yeah, but this guy works in the NFL with a pack of animals.  The only thing they respect is strength and balls.
 
2013-11-07 11:23:25 AM  

someonelse: spiderpaz: If it was all verbal, why couldn't he just run his mouth back, like everyone else does?

I suppose when someone is repeatedly leaving obscenity-laden voice mail messages threatening violence against you and your family (whether they were credible threats or not), getting all up in that person's face and escalating the situation is one way to go. Another way would be to say "F*ck this. This is beyond f*cked up." Then leave, tell the organization why you left, and let them deal with their own sh*t.


That's no way to shoot down the walls of heartache.

/bang, bang
//got nothin'
 
2013-11-07 11:24:56 AM  
Does calling Richie by the name of "Dick", give subby an amplified sense of superiority?

Just curious.

Seems to me like that in itself would be a form of bullying in our little snowflake world.
 
2013-11-07 11:27:10 AM  

spiderpaz: ongbok: spiderpaz: ghall3: Funbags: Comparing the "workplace environment" of an NFL team and the break room at your typical office is disingenuous at best. If you are too emotionally insecure to tolerate being called names by your teammates, how can you handle it from opposing teams? Beg the refs to throw a flag and mark off 15 yards for "bullying"?

/I shouldn't be giving them ideas.

So what would be the acceptable amount of violence to "handle it"? Martin punching him in the face at practice? Beating him unconscious in the locker room? Stabbing him? Shooting him? How do you know Martin wouldn't have just walked in and blown his head off one day if he didn't seek help?

How much ACTUAL violence was directed toward Martin - or was it all verbal?  If it was all verbal, why couldn't he just run his mouth back, like everyone else does?

How about when it was clear that somebody doesn't like what you are saying, you stop messing with them? That is how civilized adults handle things in an environment with co workers.

Well yeah, but this guy works in the NFL with a pack of animals.  The only thing they respect is strength and balls.


too bad all that strength and balls gets stomped on by Tom Brady twice a year
 
2013-11-07 11:28:06 AM  
spiderpaz:
Well yeah, but this guy works in the NFL with a pack of animals.  The only thing they respect is strength and balls.

Evidently they also respect money, since they were trying to force rookies to pay pretty huge sums for their vacations and such. At some point you have to acknowledge that these guys were just obnoxiously milking a system that was overly permissive or outright supportive of their obnoxiousness. Obnoxious, petty greed and emotionally needy egotism are not in the WARRIOR CODE.
 
2013-11-07 11:28:59 AM  

slyde: Does calling Richie by the name of "Dick", give subby an amplified sense of superiority?

Just curious.

Seems to me like that in itself would be a form of bullying in our little snowflake world.


Remember, when you bully a bully to stop bullying, you're no better than the bully.
 
2013-11-07 11:29:28 AM  

mikaloyd: ladodger34: mikaloyd: Crewmannumber6: Sounds like they want to stop this before it gets out how complicit they are in all of this.

Either one person is lying or 52 are.

Or 52 are covering their asses because they were willfully ignorant about what was going on.

It's easy to say "we thought they were boys" and wash your hands of the whole thing.

This is a group of people that put Incognito on a leadership council. Even throwing this Martin stuff out, Richie should not be anywhere near a position where anyone considers him to be a leader.

I love a good conspiracy theory. Tell me more.


shiat, I'm not even saying it's a coordinated effort. What I am saying is that the individuals, not the team, are in CYA mode. Saying "hey, we thought they was buddies" is nice way to excuse yourself from the situation. I don't think the team conspired to come out with the message.
 
2013-11-07 11:31:41 AM  
Dear Richie:

Since you're such an undeniable badass may I suggest going down to the Little Haiti section of Miami, walking around, and calling every black person you see the n-word. There's also a lot of s-word people there too so you can branch out and explore new forms of racism. And if you're still alive after an hour, pat yourself on the back as you are TRULY a badass.
 
2013-11-07 11:32:53 AM  
It's fun to watch Neanderthals struggle to keep intact one of their last bastions. Eventually, they're going to have to grow up, and that terrifies them, so of course they're going to demonize the whistleblower. The fun part will be watching as the NFL tries to balance "keeping a high profit margin" with "keeping a professional demeanor" in their response. It's clear that this kind of brutal behavior has been acceptable for far too long in a society that's supposed to be moving away from this kind of stupidity.


Like the sport of football itself?
The acts these men are called on to do are beyond the "normal" scope of civilian activity, and as such,  cannot be held to your flexible, politically correct modes of societal behavior.
Frail, craven men such as yourself feel the need to tear down those who's accomplishments dwarf their own to cover up their own shame as men.
 
2013-11-07 11:33:16 AM  

ladodger34: shiat, I'm not even saying it's a coordinated effort. What I am saying is that the individuals, not the team, are in CYA mode. Saying "hey, we thought they was buddies" is nice way to excuse yourself from the situation. I don't think the team conspired to come out with the message.


It would be a lot easier and simpler for them to cover their asses by simply leaving Incognito under the bus rather than diving in after him.
 
2013-11-07 11:38:18 AM  
Has anyone brought up the point that athletes, especially football players live by a certain set of rules, a 'warriors code' perhaps?
 
2013-11-07 11:38:47 AM  
When you dress like a slut (Martin), you are pretty much asking for it and pretty much deserve it.
 
2013-11-07 11:39:21 AM  

ghall3: Do we really view these men simply as disposable gladiators there solely for our amusement?


Are you not entertained?!?
 
2013-11-07 11:40:29 AM  

spiderpaz: IlGreven: This incident could not have been handled any worse by everyone involved, including the media, had this been a normal workplace and Jonathan Martin been a woman.

I rag on "feminists" all the time, but the one thing I'll mostly agree with them on is harassment (except that I don't think asking a woman out for coffee is harassment). But they've got it easy compared to any man who isn't "tough enough" to play a sport.  There's a far bigger bully culture in sports than there is a rape culture in society.  And when such things leak, they leak hard.  (I'd even lump the Steubenville rape case and the Penn State cases into said culture.)

8/10 ... you would have got the full 10 if it weren't for the fact that you did it in the sports tab and no feminist is ever going to read it.


Lies. Being a feminist doesn't mean avoiding men or sports.

/feminist
/football fan
/Floridian
 
2013-11-07 11:44:12 AM  
One of the more entertaining aspects of all this has been to see how seriously the players and fans take the playing of a game that I can see 8 year olds playing  across the streetright now out my window .

The NFL couldn't give a flying Fark about traumatic brain injuries and players killing themselves or dying slow painful deaths, does anyone really think they are going to care about bullying?
 
2013-11-07 11:46:05 AM  

FLMountainMan: slyde: Does calling Richie by the name of "Dick", give subby an amplified sense of superiority?

Just curious.

Seems to me like that in itself would be a form of bullying in our little snowflake world.

Remember, when you bully a bully to stop bullying, you're no better than the bully.


You're making a funny, but you're kinda right. That's what makes this thing a no-win situation for Martin. It's not like in the movies where the underdog fights back and everyone cheers, uplifting music, roll credits. If Martin fought fire with fire, nobody, but nobody, would distinguish between his actions and Incognito's. It would just be two football thugs having a feud. And all the people saying "why didn't he fight back" would see it just that way.

If a higher-up in my workplace started taking a dump on my keyboard every day, and everyone else was like, yeah, we do that to n00bs here, it wouldn't take me long to decide that this wasn't the workplace environment for me. I'd probably even tell people, "You guys, you won't believe what they do at the last place I worked!" And yeah, I'd totally sue their asses. Even if everyone who worked in every branch office insisted that keyboard-pooping was totally normal and nobody else minded it except me.
 
2013-11-07 11:47:58 AM  
persephonemagazine.com

This story is saturated with lulz. I am glad fark has been flooded with hilarious Incognito threads, bros that lift, warrior codes, etc.


Great, entertaining stuff here
 
2013-11-07 11:50:04 AM  

please: One of the more entertaining aspects of all this has been to see how seriously the players and fans take the playing of a game that I can see 8 year olds playing  across the streetright now out my window .

The NFL couldn't give a flying Fark about traumatic brain injuries and players killing themselves or dying slow painful deaths, does anyone really think they are going to care about bullying?


Yes, because this will open them up to lawsuits and bad publicity, and the NFL hates lawsuits and bad publicity.
 
2013-11-07 11:50:51 AM  

doubled99: who's accomplishments dwarf


You left the same typo in from yesterday's thread. You be trollin'.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-11-07 12:08:33 PM  
Boy, I can't imagine why Martin might've thought that "keeping it in house" and bringing his concerns to other players would've been pointless due to Incognito's popularity.
 
2013-11-07 12:19:37 PM  

doubled99: The acts these men are called on to do are beyond the "normal" scope of civilian activity, and as such, cannot be held to your flexible, politically correct modes of societal behavior.
Frail, craven men such as yourself feel the need to tear down those who's accomplishments dwarf their own to cover up their own shame as men.


www.ghostofthefuture.com

LARD-ASS! LARD-ASS!
 
2013-11-07 12:24:39 PM  

doubled99: Sports radio (specifically Artrell Hawkins and Firman) are all over this as to "this is football...you never played the game....you don't understand" angle in defending what is essentially workplace violence, intimidation, and bad behavior.You have to "deal with it" and you weren't made for football.
So the coonter-offensive has begun, and I think the Dolphins players coming out have essentially circled the wagons to protect themselves, as they know that, if they get the story right, they can escape punishment and hopefully their own complicity in the affair will not come to light.
Entirely predictable.  As if the NFL is somehow an organization where intimidation, workplace violence is "okay" because the "locker room" is different.


Hard cold truth- IT IS.
Insisting that an NFL team is the same as any other workplace is nothing but pure stupidity. Maybe you should listen to the players involved as they continue to try and explain exactly that. Or just continue your ignorant whining about something you obviously can't understand.


I'm not going to take a side on this, but it seems weird to me to see random internet posters commenting about how confident they are that they know the NFL is so different and to say otherwise is ignorant.  I'm guessing that you have spent as much time in an NFL locker room as the guy you're responding to you or me (zero).  If you're such an expert on this, which NFL team did you play for that gave you insight into the intricacies of professional football?
 
2013-11-07 12:32:44 PM  

llortcM_yllort: doubled99: Sports radio (specifically Artrell Hawkins and Firman) are all over this as to "this is football...you never played the game....you don't understand" angle in defending what is essentially workplace violence, intimidation, and bad behavior.You have to "deal with it" and you weren't made for football.
So the coonter-offensive has begun, and I think the Dolphins players coming out have essentially circled the wagons to protect themselves, as they know that, if they get the story right, they can escape punishment and hopefully their own complicity in the affair will not come to light.
Entirely predictable.  As if the NFL is somehow an organization where intimidation, workplace violence is "okay" because the "locker room" is different.


Hard cold truth- IT IS.
Insisting that an NFL team is the same as any other workplace is nothing but pure stupidity. Maybe you should listen to the players involved as they continue to try and explain exactly that. Or just continue your ignorant whining about something you obviously can't understand.

I'm not going to take a side on this, but it seems weird to me to see random internet posters commenting about how confident they are that they know the NFL is so different and to say otherwise is ignorant.  I'm guessing that you have spent as much time in an NFL locker room as the guy you're responding to you or me (zero).  If you're such an expert on this, which NFL team did you play for that gave you insight into the intricacies of professional football?


Do you know you're arguing with the man that created the WARRIOR CODE meme?  This is all part of the warrior code.
 
2013-11-07 12:35:51 PM  

doubled99: It's fun to watch Neanderthals struggle to keep intact one of their last bastions. Eventually, they're going to have to grow up, and that terrifies them, so of course they're going to demonize the whistleblower. The fun part will be watching as the NFL tries to balance "keeping a high profit margin" with "keeping a professional demeanor" in their response. It's clear that this kind of brutal behavior has been acceptable for far too long in a society that's supposed to be moving away from this kind of stupidity.


Like the sport of football itself?
The acts these men are called on to do are beyond the "normal" scope of civilian activity, and as such,  cannot be held to your flexible, politically correct modes of societal behavior.
Frail, craven men such as yourself feel the need to tear down those who's accomplishments dwarf their own to cover up their own shame as men.


After that post, I finally had to break down and give you your own special color.
 
2013-11-07 12:45:19 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: doubled99: It's fun to watch Neanderthals struggle to keep intact one of their last bastions. Eventually, they're going to have to grow up, and that terrifies them, so of course they're going to demonize the whistleblower. The fun part will be watching as the NFL tries to balance "keeping a high profit margin" with "keeping a professional demeanor" in their response. It's clear that this kind of brutal behavior has been acceptable for far too long in a society that's supposed to be moving away from this kind of stupidity.


Like the sport of football itself?
The acts these men are called on to do are beyond the "normal" scope of civilian activity, and as such,  cannot be held to your flexible, politically correct modes of societal behavior.
Frail, craven men such as yourself feel the need to tear down those who's accomplishments dwarf their own to cover up their own shame as men.

After that post, I finally had to break down and give you your own special color.


[announcing that you're making an identifier for someone]

Sure is attention starved in here.
 
2013-11-07 12:57:45 PM  

darch: Being sensitive does NOT make one less of a man.


Right. It makes you a pussy.
 
2013-11-07 01:25:52 PM  
man, this doubled99 has sensitive feels too.  He must be related to Martin.
 
2013-11-07 01:29:36 PM  
It's not just that the players are covering their own asses by blaming it all on Martin. I wouldn't be surprised if management let them know that anybody who supports Martin here is going to be out of a job.
 
2013-11-07 01:30:04 PM  
"Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."
 
2013-11-07 01:35:32 PM  

barefoot in the head: "Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."


When you read between the lines, it's a touching love letter.
 
2013-11-07 01:35:52 PM  

doubled99: Insisting that an NFL team is the same as any other workplace is nothing but pure stupidity. Maybe you should listen to the players involved as they continue to try and explain exactly that. Or just continue your ignorant whining about something you obviously can't understand.


I do understand....that you are a moron.  So I guess people like

TONY DUNGY

doesn't understand football, right?  I mean, he only won a Super Bowl, played in the game, and was highly successful and DIDN'T allow hazing on his teams.

So I guess you like to display your stupidity in a public forum.  Got it.

/Marine, and yes I do know all about "if you aren't X, you don't understand."
//Those units are typically the ones who are the most farked up
///We don't play a child's game and whine that we should get to haze people because we feel we are "different", so why do a bunch of guys (like you) seem to believe the NFL locker room is okay for hazing?
////Jackass
 
2013-11-07 01:39:41 PM  
"Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."


You need to revisit the barber shop scene from Gran Torino and learn how real men speak to each other
 
2013-11-07 01:42:24 PM  

llortcM_yllort: doubled99: Sports radio (specifically Artrell Hawkins and Firman) are all over this as to "this is football...you never played the game....you don't understand" angle in defending what is essentially workplace violence, intimidation, and bad behavior.You have to "deal with it" and you weren't made for football.
So the coonter-offensive has begun, and I think the Dolphins players coming out have essentially circled the wagons to protect themselves, as they know that, if they get the story right, they can escape punishment and hopefully their own complicity in the affair will not come to light.
Entirely predictable.  As if the NFL is somehow an organization where intimidation, workplace violence is "okay" because the "locker room" is different.


Hard cold truth- IT IS.
Insisting that an NFL team is the same as any other workplace is nothing but pure stupidity. Maybe you should listen to the players involved as they continue to try and explain exactly that. Or just continue your ignorant whining about something you obviously can't understand.

I'm not going to take a side on this, but it seems weird to me to see random internet posters commenting about how confident they are that they know the NFL is so different and to say otherwise is ignorant.  I'm guessing that you have spent as much time in an NFL locker room as the guy you're responding to you or me (zero).  If you're such an expert on this, which NFL team did you play for that gave you insight into the intricacies of professional football?


The first rule of the WARRIOR CODE is don't talk about the WARRIOR CODE.
 
2013-11-07 01:50:38 PM  
Warriors code
 
2013-11-07 01:50:58 PM  

Gonz: Football is the ultimate alpha male sport. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.


I don't think I WANT to understand it anymore.
 
2013-11-07 01:59:36 PM  

doubled99: "Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."


You need to revisit the barber shop scene from Gran Torino and learn how real men speak to each other


You are a cartoon.
 
2013-11-07 02:03:50 PM  

Mi-5: doubled99: Insisting that an NFL team is the same as any other workplace is nothing but pure stupidity. Maybe you should listen to the players involved as they continue to try and explain exactly that. Or just continue your ignorant whining about something you obviously can't understand.

I do understand....that you are a moron.  So I guess people like

TONY DUNGY

doesn't understand football, right?  I mean, he only won a Super Bowl, played in the game, and was highly successful and DIDN'T allow hazing on his teams.

So I guess you like to display your stupidity in a public forum.  Got it.

/Marine, and yes I do know all about "if you aren't X, you don't understand."
//Those units are typically the ones who are the most farked up
///We don't play a child's game and whine that we should get to haze people because we feel we are "different", so why do a bunch of guys (like you) seem to believe the NFL locker room is okay for hazing?
////Jackass


img.fark.net

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE WARRIORS CODE!

 
2013-11-07 02:09:11 PM  

doubled99: "Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."


You need to revisit the barber shop scene from Gran Torino and learn how real men speak to each other


The important thing to remember here is that racism and bullying is OK as long as you play a sport.
 
2013-11-07 02:18:21 PM  

barefoot in the head: doubled99: "Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."


You need to revisit the barber shop scene from Gran Torino and learn how real men speak to each other

You are a cartoon.


He has a point somewhat. As an example, my friends and I say some pretty terrible things to each other on the reg. I won't repeat some verbatim what some of us will say to each other, but just know that we definitely don't shy away from remarks about each other's race. HOWEVER, this is all in context and (usually) out of the workplace. It's pretty comical, in my opinion. But it would only be viewed as comical if you're familiar with both the speakers and the context of the jokes.

But that "real men...." stuff, that's for the birds. Clint Eastwood is cool and all, but don't use his movies as a marker for manliness. That scene he was referring to was used almost entirely for comedic effect anyways.
 
rka
2013-11-07 02:27:05 PM  
The Warrior Code. What a crock of shiat.

We see story after story of this exact same type of bullying going on in middle school playgrounds. In school band organizations (hell, they beat a kid to death with mallets in one instance), in greek organizations across the country. Hell, take a sampling of chess clubs across the land and I'll bet you'd find a few instances of bullying as a means to weed out "undesirables".

And NFL players want to bleat about how *we* don't understand the locker room? Christ, most of us were in locker rooms for all of high school and this isn't *anything* new. Where do you think NFL players learned this? In high school (or younger) settings. There is no "Warrior" culture here. If anything, the NFL doesn't understand the rest of society. Doesn't surprise me, they aren't, as a rule, very smart or astute.

The only difference is we understand when kids do it because kids are stupid, immature and vicious coonts to each other. NFL players are supposed to be adults.
 
2013-11-07 02:33:27 PM  

Confabulat: This is one of those stories that the media has collectively decided on a narrative and run with it. I do wonder if just maybe Martin is screwy or scheming or maybe just plain evil.

We have no idea.


Condemn the press for inventing a narrative while you simultaneously create another narrative that makes not even a little bit of sense.  Top it with "we have no idea."

Ta-da.
 
2013-11-07 02:47:58 PM  

bingethinker: It's not just that the players are covering their own asses by blaming it all on Martin. I wouldn't be surprised if management let them know that anybody who supports Martin here is going to be out of a job.


Classic. Yell "it's a conspiracy" to dodge the fact that every player in Miami is supporting incognito. Couldn't possibly be that they actually think Martin is out of line with his actions.
 
2013-11-07 03:01:52 PM  
ww4.hdnux.com

I thought no costume meant naked, but nooo....
 
2013-11-07 03:03:00 PM  
Oops, sorry, I screwed up.  That is not Jonathan Martin in a dress.

/backs out of thread
 
2013-11-07 03:13:03 PM  
I will say, if you're Roger Goodell, this season as a whole has just been a PR disaster on every level. The injury rate has been particularly brutal, the players at your most marketable position have been dropping like flies despite all your efforts to protect them, and the most marketable player in the league just got collected on Monday. There's been a lot of terrible on-field product, much of which has come from the people sent in to replace those injured. The London controversy refuses to go away. The concussion issue refuses to go away. And with this, you're getting a frontal assault on the very mindset that the league has been built on all these years.
 
rka
2013-11-07 03:20:38 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Couldn't possibly be that they actually think Martin is out of line with his actions.


Such warriors.
 
2013-11-07 03:24:40 PM  

IlGreven: This incident could not have been handled any worse by everyone involved, including the media, had this been a normal workplace and Jonathan Martin been a woman.

I rag on "feminists" all the time, but the one thing I'll mostly agree with them on is harassment (except that I don't think asking a woman out for coffee is harassment). But they've got it easy compared to any man who isn't "tough enough" to play a sport.  There's a far bigger bully culture in sports than there is a rape culture in society.  And when such things leak, they leak hard.  (I'd even lump the Steubenville rape case and the Penn State cases into said culture.)


???
 
2013-11-07 03:57:16 PM  

Gosling: The London controversy refuses to go away.


What's the London controversy?
 
2013-11-07 04:22:54 PM  

Gosling: And with this, you're getting a frontal assault on the very mindset that the league has been built on all these years.


Easy fix though, send Icognito on a long vacation. Make the Dolphins pay Martin whatever sum of money Icognito had him spend. Then as for the players who've defended Icognito you send them a nice letter informing them they owe the league $10,000. If they have a problem with that, they know where the commissioner's office is and if they're so tough, they can come talk about it.
 
2013-11-07 04:25:37 PM  

macadamnut: Gosling: The London controversy refuses to go away.

What's the London controversy?


Gene Simmons embarrassing America trying to sing the National Anthem.
 
2013-11-07 04:42:09 PM  

macadamnut: Gosling: The London controversy refuses to go away.

What's the London controversy?


Whether or not NFL fans are ready for soccer style pearl clutching and crybagging. I think they are.
 
2013-11-07 05:00:29 PM  
This crap with Martin is one of the final nails in the coffin for my NFL tastes. (The other being the abject ineptitude of the Raiders and "Coach" Dennis Allen).  The NFL has gotten too big and "in your face" for the last couple of years, and I'm not going to willingly participate in the "ticket hazing" I must endure as far as prices are concerned to go to a game.

And then this crap happens, where you have alleged grown-ups basically flipping off the country as a whole saying "you don't get to say anything about our culture because you haven't played the game and you wouldn't understand the "locker room so the rules don't apply to us"".  Fark you, then.  I'll spend my money and time on other sports or entertainment (French Ligue 1 soccer is a lot of fun for me).

The NFL needs to take a chainsaw to the Dolphins management and personnel roster to make a point that they abide by the same rules and this crap is not tolerated.  Of course, do a full investigation, but the NFL, at the very least, needs to send and enforce the message that they are not going to put up with this sort of thing, or else by inaction they sanction this type of thing in every high school in the country.
 
2013-11-07 05:17:37 PM  

Mi-5: This crap with Martin is one of the final nails in the coffin for my NFL tastes. (The other being the abject ineptitude of the Raiders and "Coach" Dennis Allen).  The NFL has gotten too big and "in your face" for the last couple of years, and I'm not going to willingly participate in the "ticket hazing" I must endure as far as prices are concerned to go to a game.

And then this crap happens, where you have alleged grown-ups basically flipping off the country as a whole saying "you don't get to say anything about our culture because you haven't played the game and you wouldn't understand the "locker room so the rules don't apply to us"".  Fark you, then.  I'll spend my money and time on other sports or entertainment (French Ligue 1 soccer is a lot of fun for me).

The NFL needs to take a chainsaw to the Dolphins management and personnel roster to make a point that they abide by the same rules and this crap is not tolerated.  Of course, do a full investigation, but the NFL, at the very least, needs to send and enforce the message that they are not going to put up with this sort of thing, or else by inaction they sanction this type of thing in every high school in the country.

 
2013-11-07 06:17:13 PM  

macadamnut: born_yesterday: I totally would have kicked Incognito's ass, and made him my biatch.

I still want to know what an "angry bottom" is.


It's something so foul, urban dictionary passed.
 
2013-11-07 07:00:34 PM  

spiderpaz: Well yeah, but this guy works in the NFL with a pack of animals.  The only thing they respect is strength and balls.


Wanna know how we can tell you've never met any actual football players?

Let me clue you in on a little secret: The smartest guy on the field SHOULD be the QB. The second smartest guy SHOULD be the center. Positions 3 to 6 on the overall IQ chart should be distributed along the balance of your oline in some fashion.

Protip: The line collectively probably averages about a 120 IQ to go along with being a shaved gorilla physically. They may be alpha-male dicks like Incognito, yes. But they're in the NFL and starters? I promise you they're almost surely a hell of a lot smarter than most of the folks on the street right now.

Animals? Not really. You want to head over to the DB meeting room for those, comparatively speaking. WR/LB next.
 
2013-11-07 08:58:30 PM  

Gonz: Football is the ultimate alpha male sport. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.


I guess Warren Sapp hasn't played enough football to understand either then.

amiright?

There's a difference between hazing and threats that induce an envelope w/ 15k in it.  Incognito might get charged with extortion.
 
2013-11-07 10:21:51 PM  
You know, I don't feel pity for them anymore.  They deserved to be the team portrayed in Ace Ventura.
 
2013-11-07 10:46:39 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Gonz: Football is the ultimate alpha male sport. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

I guess Warren Sapp hasn't played enough football to understand either then.

amiright?

There's a difference between hazing and threats that induce an envelope w/ 15k in it.  Incognito might get charged with extortion.


Well, one of the stories from a player today indicated that Martin originally agreed to go on the trip, the other players paid in advance, then Martin backed out, and was asked to pay his share.

/who knows if that's true
 
2013-11-07 11:58:39 PM  
Martin is a mental case and now he has a hack lawyer involved. It figures the media would fall hard for his lies.
It also figures that the Butthurt Outraged Internet would fall for it too. A black man hasn't been guilty of anything yet in those people's eyes.
 
2013-11-08 12:14:02 AM  
What I have learned from all of this is people reporting on this, especially that chucklefark at profootballtalk, will print any morsel of gossip without regard of either side.

The press is trying too hard on the easy stuff to try and make themselves part of the story. Pathetic really. Small people being small.

Follow and report. Don't try and will things to happen.
 
2013-11-08 08:07:10 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: Martin is a mental case and now he has a hack lawyer involved. It figures the media would fall hard for his lies.
It also figures that the Butthurt Outraged Internet would fall for it too. A black man hasn't been guilty of anything yet in those people's eyes.


You are right. Incognito is a gentle giant. Just ask the black volunteer he molested last year. Funny how you AND incognito have made this all about race though.
 
2013-11-08 08:08:42 AM  

Apeboy: What I have learned from all of this is people reporting on this, especially that chucklefark at profootballtalk, will print any morsel of gossip without regard of either side.

The press is trying too hard on the easy stuff to try and make themselves part of the story. Pathetic really. Small people being small.

Follow and report. Don't try and will things to happen.


Good thing nobody reported the molestation/harrasment case against a black employee last year.
 
2013-11-08 08:16:20 AM  
drodr018

it matters that she was black?

if anything he digs the black ladies

also make up your mind, employee/volunteer, molestation/harrassment
 
2013-11-08 08:19:04 AM  

srgrobe: drodr018

it matters that she was black?

if anything he digs the black ladies

also make up your mind, employee/volunteer, molestation/harrassment


Yeah sorry about the details. It matters she is black as some asshats are saying that it is about race. It is about being an asshole just as those who defend him. Just read upthread. And read the harassment article too. I am sure you have done that, correct?
 
2013-11-08 08:29:59 AM  

jrodr018: srgrobe: drodr018

it matters that she was black?

if anything he digs the black ladies

also make up your mind, employee/volunteer, molestation/harrassment

Yeah sorry about the details. It matters she is black as some asshats are saying that it is about race. It is about being an asshole just as those who defend him. Just read upthread. And read the harassment article too. I am sure you have done that, correct?



of course I have, Warrrior Code Red.

fyi, this is Fark and we are surrounded by asshats

it's not necessarily a crime though or something to get all litigious about
 
2013-11-08 08:36:22 AM  
harassed a woman?

because she doesn't have a penis, amirite?

where is the thread about this???
 
2013-11-08 08:39:48 AM  

libranoelrose: harassed a woman?

because she doesn't have a penis, amirite?

where is the thread about this???


he even did it with a golf club!  no mention of which one.

you know it wasn't a long iron, I bet it was a Short Wood!
 
2013-11-08 08:41:06 AM  

srgrobe: jrodr018: srgrobe: drodr018

it matters that she was black?

if anything he digs the black ladies

also make up your mind, employee/volunteer, molestation/harrassment

Yeah sorry about the details. It matters she is black as some asshats are saying that it is about race. It is about being an asshole just as those who defend him. Just read upthread. And read the harassment article too. I am sure you have done that, correct?


of course I have, Warrrior Code Red.

fyi, this is Fark and we are surrounded by asshats

it's not necessarily a crime though or something to get all litigious about


Yeah, but they need to be called on that as much as possible. Just like the Dolphins team, you should not defend the indefensible. You're free to do so, just as people are free to call you on it too. I mean, we have a guy saying that the media says black people do no wrong. Come on!
 
2013-11-08 11:29:14 AM  
Jocks bullying people, other jocks and jock sniffers being apologists for them. Color me shocked.
 
2013-11-08 12:13:53 PM  
Jocks bullying people, other jocks and jock sniffers being apologists for them. Color me shocked.


Crybabies whining about football because they still can't get over HS experiences? On Fark???
 
2013-11-08 12:55:20 PM  

doubled99: Jocks bullying people, other jocks and jock sniffers being apologists for them. Color me shocked.


Crybabies whining about football because they still can't get over HS experiences? On Fark???


They are not Warriors. They wouldn't understand.
 
2013-11-08 01:10:01 PM  

doubled99: Jocks bullying people, other jocks and jock sniffers being apologists for them. Color me shocked.


Crybabies whining about football because they still can't get over HS experiences? On Fark???


Wasn't bullied in HS. Played football, ran track etc. Notice I didn't say "athletes" but rather specifically used "jocks". But then most jocks and their sniffers aren't sharp enough to get the distinction.
 
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