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2013-11-07 09:49:22 AM

Fish in a Barrel: If the home owner doesn't have a contract and didn't request service from Rural Metro, what basis does the company have for sending them a bill?


He might be stupid enough to pay it.
 
2013-11-07 09:49:24 AM
I have very little sympathy for this guy. He chose to live in an unincorporated area with inadequate fire coverage. I'm guessing he chose to live there because taxes are lower. Then he has an insurance policy that isn't sufficiently comprehensive and won't cover the bill. Should have read the fine print.

I really don't understand why he thinks he should be covered by emergency services at the same level as someone who lives in the coverage area of the fire department. They came, ensured everyone's safety and called in a private company to finish the job. It's perfectly reasonable since they don't cover the area in the first place.

Where I live, some people were complaining about the police calling a specific towing company to get their cars off the main highway after an accident (and the car owner paying the bill). Argued they should be allowed to call around for the best rate. The police replied that it was in everyone's interest to get the vehicles off the highway asap and the company they called was best set up to do it (I see this company's trucks parked strategically near the highway on ramps all the time). Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

/that's not to say that there isn't a sweetheart deal going on in either instance. Just that services cost money and there are situations where you don't get much choice about using the service.
 
2013-11-07 09:54:17 AM

thaylin: The surprise fire department passed off part of the work to metro, it is in the article and the video.. Also fire services are not something you are able to refuse because it not only affects you but your neighbors... IF your house is on fire it has to be put out for the betterment of society, aka your neighbors, less your stupidity becomes their problem. There is also the liability issue, if they did not fight the fire and someone died there could be some major issue..

this leads to the part where they actually showed up and fought part of the fire, just not the initial stages.


Part of this statement is not true.  Rural Metro has come under fire in the past for rolling a truck, then refusing to fight a fire because the house was not a subscriber.  They rolled the truck to protect neighboring houses that were subscribers

So the idea that Rural Metro will fight fires for non-sibscribers as a policy is documentedly false.
 
2013-11-07 09:54:51 AM

Fish in a Barrel: If the home owner doesn't have a contract and didn't request service from Rural Metro, what basis does the company have for sending them a bill?


On the basis they were hoping it wouldn't get publicized, the homeowner had insurance coverage for fire bills, and that he'd forward it like a good little fire victim to his insurer who would pay the super-over-inflated bill.

On that basis.
 
2013-11-07 09:56:29 AM

daisygrrl: I have very little sympathy for this guy. He chose to live in an unincorporated area with inadequate fire coverage. I'm guessing he chose to live there because taxes are lower. Then he has an insurance policy that isn't sufficiently comprehensive and won't cover the bill. Should have read the fine print.

I really don't understand why he thinks he should be covered by emergency services at the same level as someone who lives in the coverage area of the fire department. They came, ensured everyone's safety and called in a private company to finish the job. It's perfectly reasonable since they don't cover the area in the first place.

Where I live, some people were complaining about the police calling a specific towing company to get their cars off the main highway after an accident (and the car owner paying the bill). Argued they should be allowed to call around for the best rate. The police replied that it was in everyone's interest to get the vehicles off the highway asap and the company they called was best set up to do it (I see this company's trucks parked strategically near the highway on ramps all the time). Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

/that's not to say that there isn't a sweetheart deal going on in either instance. Just that services cost money and there are situations where you don't get much choice about using the service.


This guy isn't complaining that FD didn't respond, he is angry because he is being charged for something he didn't request.  He chose to live unicorporated, so they should not have rolled a truck at all or charged him at all.
 
2013-11-07 09:57:48 AM
If a private company can just show up uninvited and provide services, then send a bill, that makes all kinds of interesting business models possible.  Granted, it basically amounts to extortion (nice credit you've got there -- would be a shame if anything happened to it), but hey, if you can take customer choice out of the equation, why not?
 
2013-11-07 10:00:44 AM

daisygrrl: I have very little sympathy for this guy. ...


People who start posts like this rarely have much sympathy for anyone -- until they're on the receiving end of something like TFA.
 
2013-11-07 10:01:44 AM

pxlboy: rumpelstiltskin: Was the fire chief's name Crassus?

Nicely done.


Hic.
 
2013-11-07 10:02:18 AM

formerfloozy: The Envoy: dfenstrate: Bucky Katt: How are all the tax cuts and small government working out for you?

Take a good look at the area, the population density, the tax base, and the average income, and tell us how you could arrange fire coverage better.

Lefties. Full of snark and condencesion, only to reveal themselves as incompetent when in charge.

What's "condencesion"?

I think it means "moist".



mypetjawa.mu.nu
 
2013-11-07 10:05:03 AM

MycroftHolmes: thaylin: The surprise fire department passed off part of the work to metro, it is in the article and the video.. Also fire services are not something you are able to refuse because it not only affects you but your neighbors... IF your house is on fire it has to be put out for the betterment of society, aka your neighbors, less your stupidity becomes their problem. There is also the liability issue, if they did not fight the fire and someone died there could be some major issue..

this leads to the part where they actually showed up and fought part of the fire, just not the initial stages.

Part of this statement is not true.  Rural Metro has come under fire in the past for rolling a truck, then refusing to fight a fire because the house was not a subscriber.  They rolled the truck to protect neighboring houses that were subscribers

So the idea that Rural Metro will fight fires for non-sibscribers as a policy is documentedly false.



No it is not, in that case they did not have an agreement with other fire stations to take over.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-07 10:05:45 AM
jshine: If a private company can just show up uninvited and provide services, then send a bill, that makes all kinds of interesting business models possible.

Predatory towing is the most common example of this business model.
 
2013-11-07 10:07:52 AM

Fizpez: It always amazes me how byzantine the whole covered vs. not covered situations for a homeowners policy and its almost random rules and regs based on different regions of even the same county.

I would be willing to pay a premium to have my homeowners policy with a gold foil stamp certified by the Fed, the Vatican and Hollywood (and whoever else I can think of... maybe a group of Fark Admins) that no matter what happens to my house (other than me intentionally burning it to the ground) I'm covered, no ifs ands or buts.


Except they never write one policy. You would need standard homeowners, a medical rider, a sewer rider, flood insurance, and possibly supplemental hurricane, earthquake, typhoon, wind, invasion, civil war, alien invasion, and CHUD insurance to be covered.
 
2013-11-07 10:10:32 AM
They live out in the country and therefore don't pay city taxes.  They could have paid the $500 a year to be covered by Rural Metro, but they chose not to do that.  Their gamble did not pay off.

Yes, I feel bad for them, (mostly due to the burned down house) but I understand why they are getting billed, too.
 
2013-11-07 10:12:11 AM

bluefoxicy: Chagrin: Given the choice between $500/yr and a surprise $20,000 bill I think I'd take the $20,000 bill.

Per 2011 Census and reports of home fires, there were 132,312,404 homes and 236,200 home fires. That's only a 1/560 chance for a fire in any year.

Yes but it's $20,000 you may suddenly lose, potentially twice, when you don't have it.

$500/year is a risk control.  You're paying to not have a situation where you suddenly take -$20,000 in the ass.


The financial industry loves people that think like you.
 
2013-11-07 10:12:50 AM

Fish in a Barrel: If the home owner doesn't have a contract and didn't request service from Rural Metro, what basis does the company have for sending them a bill?


Fires spread.

Next question, Ayn?
 
2013-11-07 10:13:05 AM

daisygrrl: I have very little sympathy for this guy. He chose to live in an unincorporated area with inadequate fire coverage. I'm guessing he chose to live there because taxes are lower. Then he has an insurance policy that isn't sufficiently comprehensive and won't cover the bill. Should have read the fine print.

I really don't understand why he thinks he should be covered by emergency services at the same level as someone who lives in the coverage area of the fire department. They came, ensured everyone's safety and called in a private company to finish the job. It's perfectly reasonable since they don't cover the area in the first place.

Where I live, some people were complaining about the police calling a specific towing company to get their cars off the main highway after an accident (and the car owner paying the bill). Argued they should be allowed to call around for the best rate. The police replied that it was in everyone's interest to get the vehicles off the highway asap and the company they called was best set up to do it (I see this company's trucks parked strategically near the highway on ramps all the time). Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

/that's not to say that there isn't a sweetheart deal going on in either instance. Just that services cost money and there are situations where you don't get much choice about using the service.


Perfectly reasonable, until the police and tow company start shenanigans, like what happened in St. Louis. In St. Louis the city tow company was just yanking anybody they wanted to, hauling them down to the impound lot and then "losing" the paperwork. Cars were being "loaned" out for "stake outs"  and as "bait cars" to the police. Now this resulted in some police captains daughter getting arrested driving an "impounded" car while high. They were also being sold outright as "salvage".

Frankly I'm surprised somebody did not get shot over that shiat.
 
2013-11-07 10:13:45 AM

Chagrin: The financial industry loves people that think like you.


You don't understand risk management.
 
2013-11-07 10:14:46 AM

You're the jerk... jerk: Dufus: .

/served 22 years as a volunteer fireman and never got paid a cent

Is that common? I was talking to a volunteer firefighter the other day and they said they were in fact paid when called into service.


It's common around here. Some of the bigger departments have "paid on-call" guys who only get paid when they are called in, but out in the rural areas it's strictly volunteer, even for the officers. I've been Chief of our department for 2 years, and I've never gotten a penny. I'm also an EMT on our volunteer ambulance service though, and we DO get paid a flat $30/call on the ambulance. The closest hospital is 40 miles away and a normal call lasts at least 2 hours, so it's not great pay, but it's something.
 
2013-11-07 10:17:54 AM

MycroftHolmes: Fizpez: The firefighters arent being paid $150/hr (I think we all know this) but the "bill" had to cover all the hours they're sitting around doing relatively little so they're available on a moments notice.  Idiot homeowner seems to forget they are not utilized at 100% time efficiency - someone has to pay for the training, equipment and downtime and the magic money fairy isnt dropping off bags of cash.

Idiot homeowner is protesting an inflated bill for services that he did not request that provided little or no value to him.


When the homeowner called the Surprise FD, he should have asked the dispatcher to outline who would be responding to the call; how their resources would be utilized; whether there would be any third party service providers used and who would be responsible for selecting them and compensating them; and what the estimated cost of the services would be.  He should also have asked for references.

The homeowner should also have called several other fire departments to gather the same information from them, and checked online resources for additional references and reviews.

Then he could have done a cost benefits analysis, and selected the solution that best fit his individualized needs.  When he placed his order, he should have specifically identified what he was asking for, and what he was willing to pay for it.

The homeowner didn't do his homework as a consumer; if he would have done so, this whole mess could have been avoided.
 
2013-11-07 10:20:03 AM
I'd charge them for trespassing and theft for whatever they "mopped up."

Pretty sure someone - especially a private company - can't provide services unsolicited and then charge you after the fact.
 
2013-11-07 10:20:27 AM

Wheyfaring Stranger: When the homeowner called the Surprise FD

...

I'll just stop you right there, because that never happened.
 
2013-11-07 10:25:37 AM

jshine: Wheyfaring Stranger: When the homeowner called the Surprise FD...

I'll just stop you right there, because that never happened.


Picky, picky, picky.

/No, thanks, I'll show myself out of the thread.
 
2013-11-07 10:26:48 AM

mod3072: You're the jerk... jerk: Dufus: .

/served 22 years as a volunteer fireman and never got paid a cent

Is that common? I was talking to a volunteer firefighter the other day and they said they were in fact paid when called into service.

It's common around here. Some of the bigger departments have "paid on-call" guys who only get paid when they are called in, but out in the rural areas it's strictly volunteer, even for the officers. I've been Chief of our department for 2 years, and I've never gotten a penny. I'm also an EMT on our volunteer ambulance service though, and we DO get paid a flat $30/call on the ambulance. The closest hospital is 40 miles away and a normal call lasts at least 2 hours, so it's not great pay, but it's something.


How to tell who didn't rtfa...
 
2013-11-07 10:27:40 AM
Wrong quote.
 
2013-11-07 10:28:50 AM

Bootstrappy!

"Unincorporated area without fire coverage" = "billed for services rendered". This is exactly what teabaggers want, so why all the pearl-clutching?
 
2013-11-07 10:28:55 AM

MycroftHolmes: daisygrrl: I have very little sympathy for this guy. He chose to live in an unincorporated area with inadequate fire coverage. I'm guessing he chose to live there because taxes are lower. Then he has an insurance policy that isn't sufficiently comprehensive and won't cover the bill. Should have read the fine print.

I really don't understand why he thinks he should be covered by emergency services at the same level as someone who lives in the coverage area of the fire department. They came, ensured everyone's safety and called in a private company to finish the job. It's perfectly reasonable since they don't cover the area in the first place.

Where I live, some people were complaining about the police calling a specific towing company to get their cars off the main highway after an accident (and the car owner paying the bill). Argued they should be allowed to call around for the best rate. The police replied that it was in everyone's interest to get the vehicles off the highway asap and the company they called was best set up to do it (I see this company's trucks parked strategically near the highway on ramps all the time). Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

/that's not to say that there isn't a sweetheart deal going on in either instance. Just that services cost money and there are situations where you don't get much choice about using the service.

This guy isn't complaining that FD didn't respond, he is angry because he is being charged for something he didn't request.  He chose to live unicorporated, so they should not have rolled a truck at all or charged him at all.


So he didn't want fire coverage since he didn't live in an area covered by it? Look, I get that he appeared to think he was covered for fire (although I think it was silly of him to assume that). I get that he felt that the services by Rural Metro were not worth the amount billed. But he was not home at the time of the fire. What were they supposed to do? He would have been pissed if he showed up and learned that the FD came and left once it was established that no one was at risk without doing anything further. In this case, they did something further. They called a private company to mop up and ensure things stayed under control.
 
2013-11-07 10:29:37 AM

hailin: I absolutely do not feel sorry for these people. We have morons outside of fire juridiction do this every year. The refuse to buy a fire service subscription and then pay for the cheapest home owners insurance they can which usually does not cover fire damage. Then they scream bloody hell when they have a fire, have it put out, and get charged for it. Fark you people. Fire subscriptions help pay for training, equipment, and staff while allowing you a fairly low rate ($250 a year here) to protect yourself. Not getting it and then biatching when a fire happens is an asshat move.

I'm also laughing the article makes it seem $150 an hour is excessive for the hourly pay. Firefighters have to go through rigirous trainings, keep themselves in shape, work long hours, continue their education and endanger themselves everytime they go out on a call. $150 an hour is fair in my opinion.


Several years ago, I was a City Councilman in a small city with a volunteer fire department.   However, the city funded the facilities and training budget so I got a good look at our cost breakdowns.

These rates actually look a little low since you would try to recover your cost over only the hours actually worked.  Fire departments have huge fixed costs that you hope to spread out over only a few working hours (the fewer fires, the fewer billable hours).   In the case of the city I was in, where it was spread out over every structure in town,  it was a little over 10% of our total property taxes.
 
2013-11-07 10:32:39 AM

FormlessOne: Bootstrappy!"Unincorporated area without fire coverage" = "billed for services rendered". This is exactly what teabaggers want, so why all the pearl-clutching?


Because it's only okay when it happens to someone else. Once it happens to them it's all like ZOMG! Why you no take care of me, gubermint?!
 
2013-11-07 10:34:43 AM

thaylin: ohokyeah: thaylin: I.R.Aviator:

The surprise fire department passed off part of the work to metro, it is in the article and the video.. Also fire services are not something you are able to refuse because it not only affects you but your neighbors... IF your house is on fire it has to be put out for the betterment of society, aka your neighbors, less your stupidity becomes their problem. There is also the liability issue, if they did not fight the fire and someone died there could be some major issue..

this leads to the part where they actually showed up and fought part of the fire, just not the initial stages.


There were already several fire fighters present, the threat of fire spreading should have already been minimized due to that presence. Was the fire really at risk for spread when one FD was already present and fighting the fire?
 
2013-11-07 10:35:04 AM

I.R.Aviator: Since when can a 3rd party obligate me for an expense?

Lets break this down.

Surprise FD responds (Paid for by taxes or some other means but no bill to homeowner)

Surprise FD may have called, or Rural Metro may have been listening to the scanner and invokes THEIR "mutual aid" agreement and Rural Metro shows up

Rural Metro does essentially the post fire monitoring and cleanup and sends home owner bill

See the disconnect here? The homeowner was not consulted or notified or asked for approval for the charge. So how can the Surprise FD obligate the homeowner to pay for a service that he did not request.

This doesn't appear to be a case of the only/nearest fire protection is a pay/subscription service. But it does appear that there is something shady going on since the Rural Metro FD won't/cant provide a copy of this mutual aid agreement, instead characterizing it as a gentleman's "handshake agreement.

Personally I'd dare the Rural Metro company to sue me to collect, and then during discovery and depositions get to the bottom of these gentleman's agreements.

Methinks that some of what Rural Metro collects finds it way back to the FD that "called them in"


Absolutely this. No written copy of an agreement and you admitted it? Good luck collecting a penny from the homeowner or even the county. The dumbest thing they can, and probably will do, is try and collect.
 
2013-11-07 10:39:23 AM

Wheyfaring Stranger: MycroftHolmes: Fizpez: The firefighters arent being paid $150/hr (I think we all know this) but the "bill" had to cover all the hours they're sitting around doing relatively little so they're available on a moments notice.  Idiot homeowner seems to forget they are not utilized at 100% time efficiency - someone has to pay for the training, equipment and downtime and the magic money fairy isnt dropping off bags of cash.

Idiot homeowner is protesting an inflated bill for services that he did not request that provided little or no value to him.

When the homeowner called the Surprise FD, he should have asked the dispatcher to outline who would be responding to the call; how their resources would be utilized; whether there would be any third party service providers used and who would be responsible for selecting them and compensating them; and what the estimated cost of the services would be.  He should also have asked for references.

The homeowner should also have called several other fire departments to gather the same information from them, and checked online resources for additional references and reviews.

Then he could have done a cost benefits analysis, and selected the solution that best fit his individualized needs.  When he placed his order, he should have specifically identified what he was asking for, and what he was willing to pay for it.

The homeowner didn't do his homework as a consumer; if he would have done so, this whole mess could have been avoided.


Well, he did not call any FD.  So, he should have done his market research first, then explicitly documented which services could or could not respond, and placed that document in a place veisible to any passerby.
 
2013-11-07 10:41:16 AM
My parents live in surprise. It's not at all rural or low density or remote.

This is pretty frightening.
 
2013-11-07 11:11:36 AM
If you live in a "special' area, you deal with the risks. Oh, essential services are not a right, like 'obamacare" either.
If you're a renter, ask for a copy of your lease, it should be listed there. On tyhis story, I invoke the "Benson" statute(Do it your own g'damned self) or stop crying.Sounds like a job for litigation, where things are not written, but this "Gwntlemens agreement' stuff is so much horseshiat. I make sure I have insurance, but I don't own a trailer, but a 300k house. Only 10 years to go on a 15 year note. I think the hardest part was writing a down payment check for 60k.
 
2013-11-07 11:24:03 AM

thaylin: No it is not, in that case they did not have an agreement with other fire stations to take over.

I can see your point only from the standpoint that R/M may hvae thought that they had a better chance of collecting by responding to a mutual aid request.  But that does not change the fact that R/M i sperfectly happy to let a house burn if it is not one of their paid subscribers.  They have done it in the past.
 
2013-11-07 11:27:14 AM
in his unincorporated area that has no fire coverage.

Sorry, dude... If I don't have health insurance and go in to find out why I'm pissing green pus, I'm going to get billed directly for all of the tests, even if they don't solve the problem.

Back in the 90's, a house burned to the ground in the middle of Tempe because that ONE homeowner refused to buy in when they moved to a city wide fire department. The only firefighting done there was to keep it from spreading to homes that WERE covered. It's how these things work.
 
2013-11-07 11:27:37 AM

MycroftHolmes: Gig103: What a freaking mess of a situation. My gut instinct was for him to STFU because he isn't paying taxes to support a fire department and wasn't complaining all those years of fire-free, low taxes. But then I kept reading and there was a vague reference to firefighting on his taxes, and the private company showed up after the city of Surprise responded.

The family's home insurance does not cover the charges.

That seems like a bad idea for someone in an area without a fire department. When I bought my house, I was asked on my homeowners insurance application the distance to the nearest responders - when he answered "There isn't one", you'd think the agent would have recommended some supplemental coverage. For all we know, they did and he declined it.

In most unincorporated areas (and this has specifically been the case with Rural Metro) they typically will not participate in fires with non-subscribers where no one's life is threatened.  Not sure how they can render services that the consumer did not ask for or authorize, then present a bill after the fact.


Excellent point. The person doing the hiring pays the bill. If I hire a landscaper because my neighbor's lawn is a mess, I have to pay for it.

Screw these firefighters or let Surprise Pay.
 
2013-11-07 11:35:56 AM

Gig103: MycroftHolmes: Gig103: What a freaking mess of a situation. My gut instinct was for him to STFU because he isn't paying taxes to support a fire department and wasn't complaining all those years of fire-free, low taxes. But then I kept reading and there was a vague reference to firefighting on his taxes, and the private company showed up after the city of Surprise responded.

The family's home insurance does not cover the charges.

That seems like a bad idea for someone in an area without a fire department. When I bought my house, I was asked on my homeowners insurance application the distance to the nearest responders - when he answered "There isn't one", you'd think the agent would have recommended some supplemental coverage. For all we know, they did and he declined it.

In most unincorporated areas (and this has specifically been the case with Rural Metro) they typically will not participate in fires with non-subscribers where no one's life is threatened.  Not sure how they can render services that the consumer did not ask for or authorize, then present a bill after the fact.

Excellent point. The person doing the hiring pays the bill. If I hire a landscaper because my neighbor's lawn is a mess, I have to pay for it.

Screw these firefighters or let Surprise Pay.


That's the other thing, and maybe some firefighters can correct me, but I thought that mutual aid agreements were based on reciprocity, not on money changing hands.  Does Surprize get paid if they respond to a Rural Metro call?
 
2013-11-07 11:38:41 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-07 11:38:51 AM

pxlboy: xria: The Envoy: dfenstrate: Bucky Katt: How are all the tax cuts and small government working out for you?

Take a good look at the area, the population density, the tax base, and the average income, and tell us how you could arrange fire coverage better.

Lefties. Full of snark and condencesion, only to reveal themselves as incompetent when in charge.

What's "condencesion"?

It is when water is pulled out of the atmosphere, commonly onto cold surfaces, but thats not important right now.

You mean 'condensation'?


No, that's "consternation".
 
2013-11-07 11:40:04 AM
Submitting a bill for a service not wanted or rendered should be grounds for a fraud conviction and subsequent hanging.
 
2013-11-07 11:40:36 AM

udhq: My parents live in surprise. It's not at all rural or low density or remote.

This is pretty frightening.


You sound...surprised...

//Like 10,000 spoons...
 
2013-11-07 11:41:34 AM

The Envoy: pxlboy: xria: The Envoy: dfenstrate: Bucky Katt: How are all the tax cuts and small government working out for you?

Take a good look at the area, the population density, the tax base, and the average income, and tell us how you could arrange fire coverage better.

Lefties. Full of snark and condencesion, only to reveal themselves as incompetent when in charge.

What's "condencesion"?

It is when water is pulled out of the atmosphere, commonly onto cold surfaces, but thats not important right now.

You mean 'condensation'?

No, that's "consternation".


YOu are thinking of 'Conflagration'
 
2013-11-07 12:03:37 PM

MycroftHolmes: The Envoy: pxlboy: xria: The Envoy: dfenstrate: Bucky Katt: How are all the tax cuts and small government working out for you?

Take a good look at the area, the population density, the tax base, and the average income, and tell us how you could arrange fire coverage better.

Lefties. Full of snark and condencesion, only to reveal themselves as incompetent when in charge.

What's "condencesion"?

It is when water is pulled out of the atmosphere, commonly onto cold surfaces, but thats not important right now.

You mean 'condensation'?

No, that's "consternation".

YOu are thinking of 'Conflagration'


I believe "constipation" is what we are all tripping up on here
 
2013-11-07 12:28:59 PM
Reading about this company has been all kinds of fun, and made me wonder how much fun a private police force would be. Crying rape? Are you a subscriber? Can you pay me my wage to tackle and arrest the perp for 100$/hr? Let me see your credit card. Hes gone already? Shouldve been faster forking over your money. Now i have to arrest you for impeding my investigation,
 
2013-11-07 12:33:08 PM

Jaws_Victim: Reading about this company has been all kinds of fun, and made me wonder how much fun a private police force would be. Crying rape? Are you a subscriber? Can you pay me my wage to tackle and arrest the perp for 100$/hr? Let me see your credit card. Hes gone already? Shouldve been faster forking over your money. Now i have to arrest you for impeding my investigation,


But image the upsell opportunities

'Thank you for selecting breaking and entering.  For $59 more, would you like to upgrade the charges to 1st deegree burglary?'
 
2013-11-07 12:55:56 PM
So...this might be news to some but fires spread.

Whatever the reason for it, whatever the owner's coverage, the house fire of your neighbor is also your concern.  That's why we HAVE fire departments.  That fire has to be put out.  That means everybody needs coverage.  That means the "privatize" model doesn't work.
 
2013-11-07 12:56:15 PM
So either he is being extorted for a contract he didn't agree to or they are in default for not fulfilling their end of the deal.
 
2013-11-07 12:56:18 PM

grumpyguru: mod3072: You're the jerk... jerk: Dufus: .

/served 22 years as a volunteer fireman and never got paid a cent

Is that common? I was talking to a volunteer firefighter the other day and they said they were in fact paid when called into service.

It's common around here. Some of the bigger departments have "paid on-call" guys who only get paid when they are called in, but out in the rural areas it's strictly volunteer, even for the officers. I've been Chief of our department for 2 years, and I've never gotten a penny. I'm also an EMT on our volunteer ambulance service though, and we DO get paid a flat $30/call on the ambulance. The closest hospital is 40 miles away and a normal call lasts at least 2 hours, so it's not great pay, but it's something.

How to tell who didn't rtfa...


I was answering a direct question. It is, in fact, common for volunteer firemen to not be paid, at least in some parts of the country. What does that have to do with reading or not reading the article?
 
2013-11-07 12:56:33 PM
You have to pay for the farking fire department?!  WTF?  Is this a rural Arizona thing, or an 'America' thing?  North of the 49, we sure as hell don't pay the fire department except through taxes.

Someone please explain this 'paying for essential services' thing to me...I'm reeling for the sheer implausibility of it.
 
2013-11-07 01:16:53 PM

You're the jerk... jerk: Dufus: .

/served 22 years as a volunteer fireman and never got paid a cent

Is that common? I was talking to a volunteer firefighter the other day and they said they were in fact paid when called into service.


Very common almost every department I know of that is volunteer receive no money.  I think the person you were talking to is a paid on call -- where they are paid when they go on a call, which differs from career, where you are paid when you are on station...
 
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