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2013-11-06 08:38:50 PM  
I prefer to say 'No Religion' if asked. I don't play your sport.
 
2013-11-06 08:39:18 PM  
As the father of modern religious philosophical thought Kid Rock said on the matter:

"You can look for answers but that ain't fun,
So get in the pit and try to love someone."
 
2013-11-06 09:04:00 PM  
"5 commonly known stats that you already know"
 
2013-11-06 09:05:36 PM  
"they don't want you to know"

WTF??
 
2013-11-06 09:07:18 PM  
Oh, look...

/it's this idiotic sh*t again
 
2013-11-06 09:11:30 PM  
I think my grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren will be very old before America elects an openly atheist President.

I'd honestly expect an openly gay President would be elected before an atheist.
 
2013-11-06 09:23:45 PM  
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2013-11-06 09:27:38 PM  
"a person who believes that God does not exist, according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, "

Merriam needs to get its shiat together.

http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/09/25/8419/
 
2013-11-06 09:38:57 PM  
An atheist is simply someone who lacks belief in god(s).  Babies are atheists, too.  And they're INSIDE YOUR HOUSE.
 
2013-11-06 09:39:32 PM  
It's ridiculous to tell an atheist how we think. We don't have a little book that we get all our thoughts and ideas from.
 
2013-11-06 09:39:58 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: As the father of modern religious philosophical thought Kid Rock said on the matter:

"You can look for answers but that ain't fun,
So get in the pit and try to love someone."


*barf*

Thanks a lot, jerk store
 
2013-11-06 09:40:11 PM  

jekxrb: An atheist is simply someone who lacks belief in god(s).  Babies are atheists, too.  And they're INSIDE YOUR HOUSE.


Don't forget cats and dogs! Atheists, the whole lot of them. Horses, too.
 
2013-11-06 09:42:13 PM  

jekxrb: An atheist is simply someone who lacks belief in god(s).  Babies are atheists, too.  And they're INSIDE YOUR HOUSE.


Which is why I leave Sippy-cups full of anti-freeze and Drano in every cupboard.
 
2013-11-06 09:52:44 PM  

miss diminutive: Which is why I leave Sippy-cups full of anti-freeze and Drano in every cupboard.


Well, that's just good sense in general.  Best to weed out the weakest.

Confabulat:  Don't forget cats and dogs! Atheists, the whole lot of them. Horses, too.

I'm pretty sure dogs think we're gods and cats think they're gods.  I'll give you horses, though.  Insects, too.
 
2013-11-06 09:55:20 PM  

Outtaphase: "a person who believes that God does not exist, according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, "

Merriam needs to get its shiat together.

http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/09/25/8419/


Thank you. I'm an atheist and basically, simply, I just don't believe that any version of a god exists. That's it. It's simply not a part of my life. God is not a part of my life... that's it. Done.

Claiming that a god does not exist would mean that I care, and I don't. I have nothing to prove. I'm not claiming anything. I'm not claiming that god doesn't exist. I'm not claiming that god does exist. I simply don't care.

If you believe in God and you care enough that I believe in a god then convince me. The ball's in your court. You're the one making the claim.
 
2013-11-06 09:59:00 PM  

jekxrb: miss diminutive: Which is why I leave Sippy-cups full of anti-freeze and Drano in every cupboard.

Well, that's just good sense in general.  Best to weed out the weakest.

Confabulat:  Don't forget cats and dogs! Atheists, the whole lot of them. Horses, too.

I'm pretty sure dogs think we're gods and cats think they're gods.  I'll give you horses, though.  Insects, too.


I believe my cat is Satan

/well, if Satan were an even bigger asshole than he's been made out to be
 
2013-11-06 10:00:46 PM  
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Alright. Come and get it.
 
2013-11-06 10:05:42 PM  

zamboni: Claiming that a god does not exist would mean that I care, and I don't. I have nothing to prove. I'm not claiming anything. I'm not claiming that god doesn't exist. I'm not claiming that god does exist. I simply don't care.


It's called being an apatheist, and it feels so good.

My lack of belief is based on two things: 1) the complete and utter lack of evidence to suggest that an omnipotent being created the mind-defying hugeness that is the universe in which we happen to occupy a tiny insignificant corner of and 2) the fact that I've never had an experience where I felt the presence of a higher power.

I don't care if people believe in God. I don't care if they don't. In my experience neither state is a very good determinant for how people treat one another. I know my share of assholes, bigots, ignorant douchebags and amazing people in each category.

When push comes to shove and the chips are down, I want a good, kind, thoughtful person capable of empathy and critical thought by my side, whether they believe in God or Gods or Heaven or not is irrelevant.
 
2013-11-06 10:08:02 PM  

Lorelle: "they don't want you to know"

WTF??


Who are they?
 
2013-11-06 10:23:29 PM  
2.4% seems awfully low to me .
 
2013-11-06 10:38:14 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: 2.4% seems awfully low to me .


Y'all are few in number, but very vocal.
I'd like to know what the 13.9% nothing in particular group means.
 
2013-11-06 10:43:02 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: 2.4% seems awfully low to me .


I read that as "See how few of you there are? Certainly you can see how wrong you are not to agree with us"

/FOAD, godbotherers
 
2013-11-06 10:44:41 PM  
I don't believe in stats.
 
2013-11-06 10:45:03 PM  

simplicimus: Three Crooked Squirrels: 2.4% seems awfully low to me .

Y'all are few in number, but very vocal.
I'd like to know what the 13.9% nothing in particular group means.


It is probably a mix of atheists that just don't give a fark - not even enough to identify as atheists, default agnostics and those people that go to church for weddings or funerals, recognize the shiat inside from their childhood, but spend zero seconds thinking about it otherwise.
 
2013-11-06 10:59:38 PM  
4. Not all atheists see a contradiction between atheism and spirituality.

Uh, yeah, that's because there is none, unless you don't believe in the notion of alternative definitions of words.  Just because you don't believe in any anthropomorphic-or-not supreme being doesn't mean you can't appreciate the universe on a spiritual level.

Space gets me all pumped, yo.
 
2013-11-06 11:01:48 PM  

gameshowhost: 4. Not all atheists see a contradiction between atheism and spirituality.

Uh, yeah, that's because there is none, unless you don't believe in the notion of alternative definitions of words.  Just because you don't believe in any anthropomorphic-or-not supreme being doesn't mean you can't appreciate the universe on a spiritual level.

Space gets me all pumped, yo.


Religion is just a fossilized remnant of spirituality anyway. It is a parody of spirituality most of the time.
 
2013-11-06 11:11:28 PM  

miss diminutive: I think my grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren will be very old before America elects an openly atheist President.

I'd honestly expect an openly gay President would be elected before an atheist.


Well, being gay doesn't seem to mean one thing or another about the way that a person thinks. Being atheist just isn't an electable quality: very few people think that a completely positivist view of the world is that much of an asset. At the same time, an affirmed atheist willfully puts themselves at odds with the vast majority of Americans.

If some candidate disagrees with my worldview at a fundamental level and another candidate doesn't, and their politics are otherwise equal, it makes a lot more sense to pick the guy who thinks like I do, rather than the guy who doesn't.

It's nonsense to put the social acceptance of atheists of par with the acceptance of gay people (which, by transitivity, would make acceptance of atheists on par with things like the civil rights movement). Race and sexual identity are largely held to be matters of chance. Atheism/theism are choices that people make to differentiate themselves from others.
 
2013-11-06 11:17:09 PM  

Fubini: miss diminutive: I think my grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren will be very old before America elects an openly atheist President.

I'd honestly expect an openly gay President would be elected before an atheist.

Well, being gay doesn't seem to mean one thing or another about the way that a person thinks. Being atheist just isn't an electable quality: very few people think that a completely positivist view of the world is that much of an asset. At the same time, an affirmed atheist willfully puts themselves at odds with the vast majority of Americans.

If some candidate disagrees with my worldview at a fundamental level and another candidate doesn't, and their politics are otherwise equal, it makes a lot more sense to pick the guy who thinks like I do, rather than the guy who doesn't.

It's nonsense to put the social acceptance of atheists of par with the acceptance of gay people (which, by transitivity, would make acceptance of atheists on par with things like the civil rights movement). Race and sexual identity are largely held to be matters of chance. Atheism/theism are choices that people make to differentiate themselves from others.


That's too black and white.

If you're a conservative Christian, and an election had a Christian liberal and a conservative atheist. One, politically, holds a different view, but shares your religious belief structure, the other would actually govern with principles you align with.

I will go on a limb and say that most of America would vote for the Christian liberal.
 
2013-11-06 11:22:43 PM  

dr_blasto: Fubini: miss diminutive: I think my grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren will be very old before America elects an openly atheist President.

I'd honestly expect an openly gay President would be elected before an atheist.

Well, being gay doesn't seem to mean one thing or another about the way that a person thinks. Being atheist just isn't an electable quality: very few people think that a completely positivist view of the world is that much of an asset. At the same time, an affirmed atheist willfully puts themselves at odds with the vast majority of Americans.

If some candidate disagrees with my worldview at a fundamental level and another candidate doesn't, and their politics are otherwise equal, it makes a lot more sense to pick the guy who thinks like I do, rather than the guy who doesn't.

It's nonsense to put the social acceptance of atheists of par with the acceptance of gay people (which, by transitivity, would make acceptance of atheists on par with things like the civil rights movement). Race and sexual identity are largely held to be matters of chance. Atheism/theism are choices that people make to differentiate themselves from others.

That's too black and white.

If you're a conservative Christian, and an election had a Christian liberal and a conservative atheist. One, politically, holds a different view, but shares your religious belief structure, the other would actually govern with principles you align with.

I will go on a limb and say that most of America would vote for the Christian liberal.


Point of order: I think "conservative atheist" is not only an oxymoron, but a complete impossibility
 
2013-11-06 11:24:04 PM  

miss diminutive: When push comes to shove and the chips are down, I want a good, kind, thoughtful person capable of empathy and critical thought by my side, whether they believe in God or Gods or Heaven or not is irrelevant.


Nicely said.

This thread is unlikely to deliver people like that.
 
2013-11-06 11:25:33 PM  

dr_blasto: That's too black and white.

If you're a conservative Christian, and an election had a Christian liberal and a conservative atheist. One, politically, holds a different view, but shares your religious belief structure, the other would actually govern with principles you align with.

I will go on a limb and say that most of America would vote for the Christian liberal.


I see your point, but you're forgetting the primary process.

The atheists are going to be weeded out in the primaries, where you're going to have atheist liberals vs Christian/theist liberals and atheist conservatives vs Christian/theist conservatives. The people who make it past the primaries are going to be Christians/theists, or at least quiet on the issue.
 
2013-11-06 11:28:20 PM  

Fubini: dr_blasto: That's too black and white.

If you're a conservative Christian, and an election had a Christian liberal and a conservative atheist. One, politically, holds a different view, but shares your religious belief structure, the other would actually govern with principles you align with.

I will go on a limb and say that most of America would vote for the Christian liberal.

I see your point, but you're forgetting the primary process.

The atheists are going to be weeded out in the primaries, where you're going to have atheist liberals vs Christian/theist liberals and atheist conservatives vs Christian/theist conservatives. The people who make it past the primaries are going to be Christians/theists, or at least quiet on the issue.


Sorry, it's late.

The point I really wanted to make is that you'll have Christian liberal vs atheist liberal, and they're probably going to be relatively close on politics, so the atheist liberal would really have to distinguish themselves as a good candidate. This is assuming that their religion comes up in the primary, which I imagine it inevitably would.
 
2013-11-06 11:57:23 PM  
FUBINI: Atheism/theism are choices that people make to differentiate themselves from others.

I was raised Catholic. I don't believe in a God. I truly am an atheist. But I didn't choose to be. I can't choose or not choose to believe in a God I simply don't believe exists anymore than I can choose or not choose to believe 2 + 2 = 4. To me, no matter how hard I try, the idea of a God in any traditional sense does not add up and I didn't chose that.
 
2013-11-07 12:06:03 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: FUBINI: Atheism/theism are choices that people make to differentiate themselves from others.

I was raised Catholic. I don't believe in a God. I truly am an atheist. But I didn't choose to be. I can't choose or not choose to believe in a God I simply don't believe exists anymore than I can choose or not choose to believe 2 + 2 = 4. To me, no matter how hard I try, the idea of a God in any traditional sense does not add up and I didn't chose that.


Me too. My mom was Catholic and my dad was an atheist, so I grew up with the idea and it was never seen as some weird rebellion like I see Christians claiming atheism to be sometimes. I'm not rebelling against any religion, I never had one. I have never believed in God, except at a very young age when I believed in Santa and all that stuff too. But since at least fourth grade, the idea of some silly God running everything has always been nonsense to me.

I mean, I was like 10 years old and laughing at this crazy shiat. I didn't rebel; it was just a bunch of silly stories that I mocked. When I got older and realized how seriously adults took all these bullshiat tales, well I grew up a lot when I realized that. I've never trusted mankind again. What a bunch of rubes.
 
2013-11-07 12:15:07 AM  
simplicimus
Three Crooked Squirrels: 2.4% seems awfully low to me .

Y'all are few in number, but very vocal.
I'd like to know what the 13.9% nothing in particular group means.


From the wording of the question in the small print:
That's the subset of "unaffiliated" people who don't give a fark about religion but also didn't label themselves as atheist or agnostic.
 
2013-11-07 12:20:19 AM  
Y'all motherf*ckers need Jesus.
 
2013-11-07 12:22:49 AM  

The Voice of Doom: simplicimus
Three Crooked Squirrels: 2.4% seems awfully low to me .

Y'all are few in number, but very vocal.
I'd like to know what the 13.9% nothing in particular group means.

From the wording of the question in the small print:
That's the subset of "unaffiliated" people who don't give a fark about religion but also didn't label themselves as atheist or agnostic.


So people who don't identify with any religion, but may believe in some sort of god/prime mover/universal spirit?
 
2013-11-07 12:24:34 AM  

violentsalvation: Y'all motherf*ckers need Jesus.


Yeah, but which one? There seems to be several versions out there.
 
2013-11-07 12:34:12 AM  

simplicimus: violentsalvation: Y'all motherf*ckers need Jesus.

Yeah, but which one? There seems to be several versions out there.


The one with lasers. Or the one who gets high when I do... he's always a good time.
 
2013-11-07 12:56:28 AM  
simplicimus
So people who don't identify with any religion, but may believe in some sort of god/prime mover/universal spirit?


Hm, maybe.
Personally, I would expect those who believe in such an entity to pick "something else" instead of "nothing in particular" and would expect the "apatheists" as someone here called them to be the biggest group among "nothing in particular".

But I guess it mainly depends on how the people who were asked read the possible answers and interpreted "something else" and "nothing in particular", i.e. if they thought "something else" was only for "known" religions/cults which simply weren't listed explicitly because they're less common.

I have no idea whether "Duuuude, can't you feel the energy field emitted from those rocks? I tell you, there's something out there, like the Jedi Force. Do you want that last pot brownie or can I have it?" folks would say they believe in "something else" or "nothing in particular"; might depend on how much of a system they themselves consider their belief system to have.
Offering both "nothing in particular" and "something else" is simply bad questionnaire design because "nothing in particular" can mean (*) both "nothing" and "something I have never bothered to really put my finger on" which would also fit "something else".

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(*) at least to me as someone who isn't a native English speaker
 
2013-11-07 01:01:18 AM  
"I'm impressed by stuff. It's awesome."

"Then you're not an atheist"

Fark you, Oprah.
 
2013-11-07 01:11:31 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: "I'm impressed by stuff. It's awesome."

"Then you're not an atheist"

Fark you, Oprah.


Well, it's pretty f*cking obvious they're prone to believing absurd sh*t with no basis in reality
 
2013-11-07 01:13:15 AM  

The Voice of Doom: I have no idea whether "Duuuude, can't you feel the energy field emitted from those rocks? I tell you, there's something out there, like the Jedi Force. Do you want that last pot brownie or can I have it?" folks would say they believe in "something else" or "nothing in particular"; might depend on how much of a system they themselves consider their belief system to have.
Offering both "nothing in particular" and "something else" is simply bad questionnaire design because "nothing in particular" can mean (*) both "nothing" and "something I have never bothered to really put my finger on" which would also fit "something else".


I agree that the questionnaire is poorly designed. 2% don't know? It's a fairly simple question. Nothing in particular would to me (native speaker) indicate not nothing, but something vague.
 
2013-11-07 01:46:26 AM  

jekxrb: An atheist is simply someone who lacks belief in god(s).  Babies are atheists, too.  And they're INSIDE YOUR HOUSE.


:O

Why are there babies INSIDE MY HOUSE?!?! Something very strange must be going on. I AM SO CONFUSED!!!!! :(

;)

Anyway, on to the stuff in TFA, apart from the usual squabbling about the definition of atheist (insert jpg of gnostic/agnostic x theist/atheist here).

#3.) About "spiritual", I wonder how they are defining it in their survey, if they even are. They might just be letting the respondents interpret it their own way. But, I think Carl Sagan made some great points about the word "spiritual" in "the Demon Haunted World", pointing out that the feeling doesn't have to have anything supernatural about it. I would not describe myself as spiritual (since it is so open to misinterpretation), but in a sense I am.

That sense is in feeling a connection to the universe around me. Nothing mystical or crap like that. Just that because I am aware of what I'm made of (star stuff, and a bit mindblown that star stuff is actually thinking about being made of star stuff) and and many of my connections to all other life on Earth, both due to ecological interdependence and evolutionary history, and all of that leaves me reeling in awe, what I feel towards the universe and my tiny little place in it seems to fit the feelings people are referring to when they say "spiritual".

To me, being spiritual doesn't have to have anything mystical or supernatural, but merely a deep sense of awe about the universe and even more awe by your awareness of what you are and how you got here in the universe.

Granted, on such a survey, I would not say "Spiritual but not religious", but I could imagine an atheist saying so and not meaning anything more than what I've just described.

Which brings us to #5. What does feeling a deep connection with nature and the Earth have to do with anything? Is that number supposed to be surprising? I am a biologist become biology teacher with general interests in just about every branch of science. I have a pretty strong understanding of life on Earth and how living systems work and evolve, and a strong awareness that I myself am a living system with its own complex ecology that is a part of the rest of the living systems and ecosystems on Earth. Is there supposed to be something strange and not atheistic about feeling a connection to the Earth and nature because of my awareness of my place in them?

Or am I reading too much into things and assuming that they are pointing it out to mean something when they are merely stating the fact and my own biases are twisting my interpretation? Which is a fair possibility. ;)
 
2013-11-07 01:50:22 AM  

violentsalvation: Y'all motherf*ckers need Jesus.


Jesus is pretty awesome.

There's a lot of Christians who for sure need Jesus.
 
2013-11-07 02:06:51 AM  

mamoru: Is there supposed to be something strange and not atheistic about feeling a connection to the Earth and nature because of my awareness of my place in them?


Atheists don't just say god doesn't exist; they're HIPPIES, too.

Damn dirty liberal college educated hippies.

Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  They could be in your house, in your workplace, even dating your daughter.  Damn tree-hugging, god-hating, college-going atheists.

/Frankly, I don't think it's odd at all; I would expect that to be the case.  The atheists I know tend to be very appreciative of the natural world, realizing that without some sort of divine intervention, it's just that much more impressive.  I also think the the survey is here to serve as flamebait for a religion thread;  I don't think we're supposed to actually consider the points it makes as valid or insightful.
 
2013-11-07 02:07:24 AM  
"They"?
 
2013-11-07 02:14:53 AM  
There is a pretty common belief among the hardcore Christians I grew up around that atheism is a kind of rebellion against God, like atheists are purposely being willful against their Creator or something like that.

They really think like that, a lot of them. They give their God an awful lot of credit. Most atheists don't make that much effort.
 
2013-11-07 03:37:19 AM  

jekxrb: Be afraid. Be very afraid. They could be in your house, in your workplace, even dating your daughter.


I know. In fact, I'm pretty sure there is at least one in my head RIGHT NOW! THE ATHEISM IS COMING FROM INSIDE MY HEAD!!!

everybodypanic.gif

Well, except for the "college-going" part, as that has long since passed. ;)
 
2013-11-07 05:08:59 AM  
FTA

5. Among atheists, 82% say they either often (52%) or sometimes (30%) feel a deep connection with nature and the earth; among all American adults, 85% either often (58%) or sometimes (26%) feel such a connection.

Especially when one is on Peyote
 
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