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(New York Daily News)   Ummm.. yeah teacher, forcing a Jehovah's Witness student to say the Pledge of Allegiance in class will get you suspended   (nydailynews.com) divider line 187
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2013-11-06 06:38:55 PM  
Excuse me? I remember getting detention for refusing to say the pledge.
 
2013-11-06 06:44:10 PM  

JasonGriffee: Excuse me? I remember getting detention for refusing to say the pledge.


And that was illegal and your parents could have sued if they had known.
 
2013-11-06 06:44:18 PM  

JasonGriffee: Excuse me? I remember getting detention for refusing to say the pledge.


Jehovah's Witnesses cannot take oaths of any kind because they only swear allegiance to the Kingdom of God.  First Amendment fights have upheld that they don't have to say any oaths.
 
2013-11-06 06:51:17 PM  

JasonGriffee: Excuse me? I remember getting detention for refusing to say the pledge.


Your school violated the law. I never said it once in 4 years, no detention
 
2013-11-06 07:38:23 PM  
Nobody should be forced to say that stupid thing.
 
2013-11-06 07:44:25 PM  

Quasar: Nobody should be forced to say that stupid thing.


It is rather Hitler-youth-ish.  "Assume the position! Recite the oath to your country!  Or face the consequences!"

/godwin
 
2013-11-06 07:52:01 PM  

mephisto_kur: JasonGriffee: Excuse me? I remember getting detention for refusing to say the pledge.

Jehovah's Witnesses cannot take oaths of any kind because they only swear allegiance to the Kingdom of God.  First Amendment fights have upheld that they don't have to say any oaths.


It doesn't even have anything to do with religion (although that should've made the teacher back down immediately). They can't force any person to take the pledge if they don't want to.
 
2013-11-06 08:06:08 PM  
Couldn't the student just have cross his fingers behind his back while he did it?  Teacher is happy, and the kid didn't violate his religion.
 
2013-11-06 08:13:53 PM  
I remember the first say I said this in class.  Came home, told my parents, and I had never seen my dad that pissed.  Hell, I didn't know I wasn't supposed to say.

/Fark the whole religion.
 
2013-11-06 08:17:11 PM  
They still say the Pledge of Allegiance? Why? In case the Greycoats, Jerry, the Japs, or the Reds are trying to steal our youth?
 
2013-11-06 08:19:44 PM  

thamike: They still say the Pledge of Allegiance? Why? In case the Greycoats, Jerry, the Japs, or the Reds are trying to steal our youth?


Nope, the Obamas.
 
2013-11-06 08:28:49 PM  

Earguy: Quasar: Nobody should be forced to say that stupid thing.

It is rather Hitler-youth-ish.  "Assume the position! Recite the oath to your country!  Or face the consequences!"

/godwin


lastrealindians.com
As was the original way you were supposed to say it...
 
2013-11-06 08:39:17 PM  

Paris1127: Earguy: Quasar: Nobody should be forced to say that stupid thing.

It is rather Hitler-youth-ish.  "Assume the position! Recite the oath to your country!  Or face the consequences!"

/godwin

[lastrealindians.com image 370x210]
As was the original way you were supposed to say it...


The original was short, with a military salute, no god, and was written by a socialist.
 
2013-11-06 08:46:13 PM  
It shouldn't get you suspended. Is it so difficult to just conform?
 
2013-11-06 08:46:46 PM  
...and that's for yiur parents knocking on my door at 10am trying to sell me Watchtower tracts!
 
2013-11-06 08:48:31 PM  

Rincewind53: JasonGriffee: Excuse me? I remember getting detention for refusing to say the pledge.

And that was illegal and your parents could have sued if they had known.


jingoist pledge ...
right up there with the unconstitutional "in god we trust" on our money
 
2013-11-06 08:49:35 PM  

JasonGriffee: Excuse me? I remember getting detention for refusing to say the pledge.


Yeah?

I was forced to recite The Lord's Prayer every day in grade school. This was in a public school in Canada in the 70s.
 
2013-11-06 08:50:49 PM  
A friend in suburban nowheresville public school would just sit quietly during the pledge of allegiance.

He was a foreign citizen with residency status ... but it still unnerved any poor substitute teacher all the same.

WHAT. Y U NO PLEDGE. DOES NOT COMPUTE.

"I'm not American."

UNPOSSIBLE. HOW ARE U HERE. MUCH STRANGE. VERY CONFUSE.
 
2013-11-06 08:51:18 PM  
I got a demerit for inserting "blessed is the fruit of the loom" into the Hail Mary.
 
2013-11-06 08:51:22 PM  
Don't oaths have to be voluntary to be oaths?
 
2013-11-06 08:52:33 PM  

namatad: Rincewind53: JasonGriffee: Excuse me? I remember getting detention for refusing to say the pledge.

And that was illegal and your parents could have sued if they had known.

jingoist pledge ...
right up there with the unconstitutional "in god we trust" on our money


Next thing you're going to say is you don't believe in E Pluribus Unum; ya gosh derned commie!

/ I keed
 
2013-11-06 08:52:51 PM  
I've never ever felt comfortable saying the pledge in school. Even as a public school kindergartener I was all like "why are we all talking about God?"
 
2013-11-06 08:53:19 PM  
More to the point, the teacher committed Battery on the student as well.  FTA "...grabbing a student's wrist, placing it over his heart..." I'd file charges as well as seek a payday if I were the parents.
 
2013-11-06 08:53:48 PM  

namatad: "in god we trust" on our money


download.lardlad.com

It's in our food!
 
2013-11-06 08:54:33 PM  

Aquapope: Don't oaths have to be voluntary to be oaths?


Only if you want them to mean something
 
2013-11-06 08:54:44 PM  
I can't remember if I was given detention or just sent to the principal's office, but I definitely was punished at one point for not reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.

Then again, that was the '80s.
 
2013-11-06 08:54:52 PM  
Cool, then let's arrest them for trespassing when they knock on our doors. Or arrest them for soliciting when they push pamphlets and Watchtower on people.

It'd kinda suck for them to see the double standard reversed, yes?
 
2013-11-06 08:55:15 PM  
iheartscotch:

Next thing you're going to say is you don't believe in E Pluribus Unum; ya gosh derned commie!


Leave the salad dressing out of it.
 
2013-11-06 08:56:09 PM  
If I had refused school admins would have been least of my worries. Once I got home thats where the pain would have begun.
 
2013-11-06 08:56:12 PM  

skinink: ...and that's for yiur parents knocking on my door at 10am trying to sell me Watchtower tracts!


CBS I was haveing a fark buddie come over this morning for a quick BJ before work knock on the door about the time he was to be over opend it naked and told him to get in and start before I noticed it was the crazy jebus freaks
 
2013-11-06 08:56:54 PM  
As a former military officer/CO of a unit, the pledge makes me so pissed off I can't speak.  Never once in the first 15 years I was in did anyone even hint we should say it.  Then all of a sudden about 2007 or so I started seeing it.  Very strange stuff and quite antithetical to what I was taught in leadership school.  The military used to openly pan it.  Strange how times change.
 
2013-11-06 08:57:06 PM  
I just said the Pledge because I got enough attention at home
 
2013-11-06 08:57:29 PM  
Retarded teacher is retarded and definitely deserves to be fired.
 
2013-11-06 08:57:37 PM  
Take the word "god" out of the pledge, or remove it entirely.
 
2013-11-06 08:57:49 PM  
I don't know how you expect to get in to politics with that attitude.
 
2013-11-06 08:57:52 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: JasonGriffee: Excuse me? I remember getting detention for refusing to say the pledge.

Yeah?

I was forced to recite The Lord's Prayer every day in grade school. This was in a public school in Canada in the 70s.


Canadian schools were big on the god thing.  I remember in Newfoundland in the 80s they read a different prayer over the PA every morning, as well as the Lord's Prayer.
 
2013-11-06 08:58:53 PM  

Earguy: Quasar: Nobody should be forced to say that stupid thing.

It is rather Hitler-youth-ish.  "Assume the position! Recite the oath to your country!  Or face the consequences!"

/godwin


i215.photobucket.com

Consequences, shmonsequences.  As long as I'm rich.

/sorry
//it just "popped" in there
 
2013-11-06 09:00:00 PM  

kling_klang_bed: Cool, then let's arrest them for trespassing when they knock on our doors. Or arrest them for soliciting when they push pamphlets and Watchtower on people.

It'd kinda suck for them to see the double standard reversed, yes?


No double standard involved.  You can't coerce an oath out of somebody, especially if there's a religious reason not to say the oath.

And do JW people come in your house after they knock on your door?  Do people regularly get arrested for giving out free pamphlets, or what you call soliciting?  Or are you just saying stupid things?
 
2013-11-06 09:02:24 PM  

brandent: As a former military officer/CO of a unit, the pledge makes me so pissed off I can't speak.  Never once in the first 15 years I was in did anyone even hint we should say it.  Then all of a sudden about 2007 or so I started seeing it.  Very strange stuff and quite antithetical to what I was taught in leadership school.  The military used to openly pan it.  Strange how times change.


4USC4 was always while in uniform, position of attention, remain silent, and render salute while outdoors; no salute indoors.
 
2013-11-06 09:02:26 PM  

kling_klang_bed: Cool, then let's arrest them for trespassing when they knock on our doors. Or arrest them for soliciting when they push pamphlets and Watchtower on people.



Trespassing only counts when a sign is posted, and soliciting isn't a crime.

I put up a no trespassing sign at the end of my driveway and they haven't bothered me for years, nor have the Scouts, Mormons, political canvassers, salesmen, or anyone else whose sole purpose in life is to wake me up early every Saturday morning to force me to buy something I've never wanted.
 
2013-11-06 09:03:01 PM  

FizixJunkee: Retarded teacher is retarded and definitely deserves to be fired.


suspended with a formal reprimand seems sufficient
 
2013-11-06 09:04:38 PM  
Jehovas Witnesses are farking annoying. Good on the teacher for standing up to their crazy bullshiat.
 
2013-11-06 09:05:33 PM  
Torn on this. On the one hand, giving the pledge of Allegiance at school is farking creepy. But then the Jehovah's Witnesses are a farking cult. So it's hard to pick sides. No, I'll go against the Witnesses because they're an evil farking cult.
 
2013-11-06 09:05:46 PM  

JesusJuice: Jehovas Witnesses are farking annoying. Good on the teacher for standing up to their crazy bullshiat.


trollololol
 
2013-11-06 09:06:42 PM  

TomMalory: Earguy: Quasar: Nobody should be forced to say that stupid thing.

It is rather Hitler-youth-ish.  "Assume the position! Recite the oath to your country!  Or face the consequences!"

/godwin

[i215.photobucket.com image 321x200]

Consequences, shmonsequences.  As long as I'm rich.

/sorry
//it just "popped" in there



Hassan chop!!!


When I was in grade school, our 'token black kid' (grew up in a semi-rural rednecky town) was from a JW family and was allowed to remain seated during the Pledge. I always thought it a bit odd but shrugged it off with a 'to each his own' thought.
 
2013-11-06 09:08:34 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: JasonGriffee: Excuse me? I remember getting detention for refusing to say the pledge.

Yeah?

I was forced to recite The Lord's Prayer every day in grade school. This was in a public school in Canada in the 70s.

Canadian schools were big on the god thing.  I remember in Newfoundland in the 80s they read a different prayer over the PA every morning, as well as the Lord's Prayer.


Wouldn't surprise me, given Newfoundland heritage.

Actually, we had 1 Jew and 1 Hindu in our entire school, so it shouldn't surprise me about my own school either.
 
2013-11-06 09:10:10 PM  

skullkrusher: I just said the Pledge because I got enough attention at home


Well, you weren't trampled on. But the big question is, do you think others should have to say it because it didn't bother you?

Come on big guy, should they?
 
2013-11-06 09:10:33 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: JasonGriffee: Excuse me? I remember getting detention for refusing to say the pledge.

Yeah?

I was forced to recite The Lord's Prayer every day in grade school. This was in a public school in Canada in the 70s.

Canadian schools were big on the god thing.  I remember in Newfoundland in the 80s they read a different prayer over the PA every morning, as well as the Lord's Prayer.


I remember singing O Canada and the lords prayer in elementary in Saskatchewan during the early 80's. It was just what we did.

nobody died that was just school where i was from
 
2013-11-06 09:10:57 PM  

Quasar: Nobody should be forced to say that stupid thing.


I disagree. Congress should. Seems they forget what they're supposed to be doing on a daily basis.
 
2013-11-06 09:12:03 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: skullkrusher: I just said the Pledge because I got enough attention at home

Well, you weren't trampled on. But the big question is, do you think others should have to say it because it didn't bother you?

Come on big guy, should they?


"suspended with a formal reprimand seems sufficient"

Should have spent more time cracking the English textbooks and less time playing "look at my edgy 4th grade badass self!"
 
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