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(Some Guy)   Family of two guys shot and killed when they attempted an armed robbery say it's totally unfair that a private citizen shot them when they could have called the police and had the police shoot them instead   (bearingarms.com) divider line 181
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2013-11-06 08:01:56 PM
jeneralinsanity.com
 
2013-11-06 08:03:50 PM
I guess the families didn't see the part in the video where the guy tells them he's going to call police and they try to kill him.
 
2013-11-06 08:04:12 PM
"How about if people just start running around here, policing the city on their own? How much worse is it going to get?" said Peter Ratel, Medina's cousin.

comicbook.com

"Oh Mr. Ratel. It can get much, much worse."
 
2013-11-06 08:04:17 PM
Funky cold Medina.
 
2013-11-06 08:06:35 PM
Going by this article the two robbers where not only wearing masks, but were armed. The guy who shot them did call 911, but when the robbers exited the store they threatened him. He didn't shoot them until they threatened him.
 
2013-11-06 09:13:39 PM
"It's not fair," said Virginia Medina, mother of 24-year-old William Medina, who police said robbed Krick's Korner store alongside 18-year-old Robert De Carr on Monday.

Oh, sounds pretty fair to me.  You raised an armed robber who threatened an armed citizen.  It's about as fair as fair gets.

The family members said they are hurt by comments suggesting the alleged robbers were "thugs."

No really, they were super nice armed robbers!

Maybe the entire family should be jailed for the safety of the community.
 
2013-11-06 09:22:25 PM
Nobody likes to admit they raised a violent criminal.
 
2013-11-06 09:28:41 PM

miss diminutive: Nobody likes to admit they raised a violent criminal.


QFT
 
2013-11-06 09:30:22 PM
Local ABC news team has sound bites from the family in the video.
 
2013-11-06 10:25:52 PM
I'm not sure I'd call two guys a "family".

/bad grammar makes baby jesus cry
 
2013-11-06 10:26:37 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-06 10:26:51 PM
...family members want to see charges pressed.

Reading Police and the District Attorney have declined to press charges against the concealed carrier.



*sadtrombone*
 
2013-11-06 10:26:57 PM
keep allowing anyone to reproduce, these things will continue to happen.
 
2013-11-06 10:27:35 PM
I don't believe in the death penalty and I'm sure the family is going through levels of pain I can't imagine, but don't try to place the blame on the victim.
 
2013-11-06 10:27:55 PM
Well, I suppose it's important to highlight 2nd Amendment solutions.
 
2013-11-06 10:30:01 PM
i2.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-06 10:32:12 PM
Charge the Kewpie Police Cop. He will just smile at you.

www.paradisegalleries.com
 
2013-11-06 10:32:45 PM
Two fewer goblins to worry about.
 
2013-11-06 10:32:57 PM
Well since one is 18, we have another "dead child" statistic due to gun violence.

Second of all, the lack of charges against the murderer is clearly due to racism. Escalation of violence... it's only money... prattle prattle QED!

/sarc
 
2013-11-06 10:33:48 PM
I'm usually against stand your ground type situations. But this is one case where the guy was 100% justified in shooting those two guys. Glad to see the police agree.
 
2013-11-06 10:34:23 PM
To the mother: you suck at being a mother.

Carry on.
 
2013-11-06 10:38:39 PM
Someone's been watching reruns of Six Feet Under, it seems.
 
2013-11-06 10:38:52 PM
I have to side with the family here, look armed robbery is an old profession that popped up shortly after the oldest profession (possibly to support it) hence we support single moms everywhere which is a cornerstone of the economy. We have a lot of job related stress and work hard to hone our skills from intimidation, manual dexterity, to keeping our vision keen to avoid on the job mishaps, let alone those cockhole cops who insist on keeping a man down and preventing him from practicing his chosen career and pursuit of happiness.

Adding another level of danger to my work place by arming regular civilians is uncalled for and will only result to adding another legal layer that will require a new drafting of OSHA SOPs and god forbid re certification to keep current, and has anyone thought of the children? Look I'm not saying that kids are getting dumber, stop letting them eat paint chips or wall candy as we called it as kids, but now they will have to play cops, robbers, and civilians which will only confuse them.

So lets just re-evaluate this entire situation and leave the guns in the hands of the trained criminals, and the less trained and loosely organized criminals (cops). Failure to do so will cause the American dream to die for so many before they can even fully actualize it.
 
2013-11-06 10:39:33 PM
Perhaps if your child had not threatened someone with a gun he would still be alive?

That's some mighty fine parenting there, Louise.
 
2013-11-06 10:39:41 PM

Elegy: Local ABC news team has sound bites from the family in the video.


Wow...the reporter actually announces the home location of the guy who shot the robbers and how he is hiding out of fear.
 
2013-11-06 10:39:53 PM
I'm surprised Nancy Pelosi hasn't held a press conference to highlight yet another gun tragedy.
 
2013-11-06 10:40:07 PM
fark armed robbers and fark them twice when they threaten to kill a bystander.
 
2013-11-06 10:43:07 PM

Elegy: Local ABC news team has sound bites from the family in the video.


I love this quote from that article:

"They tried to portray the two as good hard working men. However, others in the rough Reading neighborhood say the two got what they deserved."
 
2013-11-06 10:44:02 PM
I guess there's only manufactured outrage over killing a criminal if they happen to be carrying a bag of candy, otherwise they're "thugs". Hard to keep these things straight anymore. Also, before some idiot starts with the "Stand Your Ground" comments, you are generally justified in using lethal force in prevention of a forcible felony, to wit armed robbery, and this falls outside any Stand Your Ground law.
 
2013-11-06 10:45:52 PM
I like how the sister of one of the fine, upstanding young men said they didn't even know he had been shot...until they read it on FACEBOOK!!!!

*headexplode.jpg*

Also, watch the video Elegy posted for some additional wtf hilarity from one of the mothers.

/double negatives for everyone!
//hooray!
 
2013-11-06 10:46:21 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Going by this article the two robbers where not only wearing masks, but were armed. The guy who shot them did call 911, but when the robbers exited the store they threatened him. He didn't shoot them until they threatened him.


That link is very useful, but it did leave one question.  Why is the getaway driver being charged with second degree murder?  Did anyone other than the two suspects get killed?
 
2013-11-06 10:47:40 PM
Life isn't fair.  Life presents you with opportunities.  The opportunity to work and make a living honestly or to get yourself a gun and rob people.  The opportunity to purchase a gun to protect yourself while you're making an honest living.  When the honest person with the gun manages to kill the dishonest man with the gun, life don't get much fairer than that.
 
HBK
2013-11-06 10:48:09 PM

Mrbogey: Second of all, the lack of charges against the murderer is clearly due to racism. Escalation of violence... it's only money... prattle prattle QED!

/sarc


It's not murder if it's legal; then it's just a killing.
 
2013-11-06 10:49:56 PM

The_Mad_Dutchman: I guess there's only manufactured outrage over killing a criminal if they happen to be carrying a bag of candy, otherwise they're "thugs". Hard to keep these things straight anymore. Also, before some idiot starts with the "Stand Your Ground" comments, you are generally justified in using lethal force in prevention of a forcible felony, to wit armed robbery, and this falls outside any Stand Your Ground law.


You're really turning the derp up to 11. I'm impressed.
 
2013-11-06 10:51:21 PM

lack of warmth: Bathia_Mapes: Going by this article the two robbers where not only wearing masks, but were armed. The guy who shot them did call 911, but when the robbers exited the store they threatened him. He didn't shoot them until they threatened him.

That link is very useful, but it did leave one question.  Why is the getaway driver being charged with second degree murder?  Did anyone other than the two suspects get killed?


See Felony Murder Rule
 
2013-11-06 10:52:52 PM

lack of warmth: That link is very useful, but it did leave one question.  Why is the getaway driver being charged with second degree murder?  Did anyone other than the two suspects get killed?


Some states have laws that if anyone dies during the commission of an armed robbery or felony (IANAL), the criminals are charged with their deaths, regardless of the circumstances. In this case, the fataway driver's two friends died and he was apprehended. Ergo, he is charged with their deaths.

This is just going from what I have read previous to this situation, and haven't verified it recently. But these laws have been around for a little while.
 
2013-11-06 10:54:27 PM
lack of warmth:

That link is very useful, but it did leave one question.  Why is the getaway driver being charged with second degree murder?  Did anyone other than the two suspects get killed?

According to the video in Elegy's link, their going for the "transfer of responsibility" angle. Basically, they're saying that the getaway driver was responsible for his cohorts actions.

In SC, we've got a similar law called "The hands of one is the hands of all."   You hang around people while they commit a crime, you get charged with the same crime, because you didn't try to stop them.
 
HBK
2013-11-06 10:54:59 PM

lack of warmth: Bathia_Mapes: Going by this article the two robbers where not only wearing masks, but were armed. The guy who shot them did call 911, but when the robbers exited the store they threatened him. He didn't shoot them until they threatened him.

That link is very useful, but it did leave one question.  Why is the getaway driver being charged with second degree murder?  Did anyone other than the two suspects get killed?


Felony murder. It sounds redundant, but it's its own doctrine.

There was a case once where two unarmed burglars broke into a warehouse and a cop responding to the break-in accidentally shot another cop. The unarmed warehouse burglars were convicted of felony murder.
 
2013-11-06 10:55:48 PM

lack of warmth: Bathia_Mapes: Going by this article the two robbers where not only wearing masks, but were armed. The guy who shot them did call 911, but when the robbers exited the store they threatened him. He didn't shoot them until they threatened him.

That link is very useful, but it did leave one question.  Why is the getaway driver being charged with second degree murder?  Did anyone other than the two suspects get killed?


This explains why he was charged. The last sentence is especially important:

Murder Two (Murder of the Second Degree): Felony Murder

A criminal homicide constitutes murder of the second degree when it is committed while the defendant was engaged as a principal or an accomplice in the perpetration of a felony. Second degree murder is the killing of another with malice during the commission of a felony. This provision does not require that a homicide be foreseeable; rather, it is only necessary that the accused engaged in conduct as a *principal or an accomplice in the perpetration of a felony.

*principal
The word "" means a person who is the actor or perpetrator of the crime, and the phrase "perpetration of a felony" means the act of the defendant in engaging in, or being an accomplice in the commission of, or an attempt to commit, or flight after committing, or attempting to commit robbery, rape, or deviate sexual intercourse by force or threat of force, arson, burglary or kidnapping.

Under the felony-murder rule, where a killing occurs in the commission of a felony, all who participate therein are equally guilty of murder.
 
2013-11-06 10:56:32 PM
Translation:  We wanted to be able to sue the police department in a wrongful death or excessive violence suit and get a fat stack of cash in an out of court settlement.  These damn private citizens don't have deep enough pockets.
 
2013-11-06 10:56:55 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Going by this article the two robbers where not only wearing masks, but were armed. The guy who shot them did call 911, but when the robbers exited the store they threatened him. He didn't shoot them until they threatened him.


Irrelevant. Carrying a gun is a sign of cowardice, and armed robbery does not warrant the death penalty, therefore the shooting was first-degree murder and should be prosecuted as such. The far preferable outcome would have been a successful completion of the armed robbery without any armed resistance from any innocent bystanders.
 
2013-11-06 10:59:13 PM
Hahahahaha oh lord, that was hilarious.

This is starting to sound like some British period drama on PBS, wherein two scoundrel highwaymen are actually shot and killed by the King's guards, and their mother (a surly wench, to be sure) has 3 minutes of dialog (with subtitles) bemoaning the brutality of life.

Win.
 
2013-11-06 10:59:14 PM

HBK: lack of warmth: Bathia_Mapes: Going by this article the two robbers where not only wearing masks, but were armed. The guy who shot them did call 911, but when the robbers exited the store they threatened him. He didn't shoot them until they threatened him.

That link is very useful, but it did leave one question.  Why is the getaway driver being charged with second degree murder?  Did anyone other than the two suspects get killed?

Felony murder. It sounds redundant, but it's its own doctrine.

There was a case once where two unarmed burglars broke into a warehouse and a cop responding to the break-in accidentally shot another cop. The unarmed warehouse burglars were convicted of felony murder.


I think I heard about one where a cop died during a car chase because he crashed or something, so the fleeing criminal was charged. Makes sense really, they wouldn't have been chasing the criminals otherwise, thus he wouldn't have crashed.
 
2013-11-06 10:59:53 PM

Dimensio: Bathia_Mapes: Going by this article the two robbers where not only wearing masks, but were armed. The guy who shot them did call 911, but when the robbers exited the store they threatened him. He didn't shoot them until they threatened him.

Irrelevant. Carrying a gun is a sign of cowardice, and armed robbery does not warrant the death penalty, therefore the shooting was first-degree murder and should be prosecuted as such. The far preferable outcome would have been a successful completion of the armed robbery without any armed resistance from any innocent bystanders.


2/10.  You didn't connect gun ownership to compensating for a small penis.
 
2013-11-06 11:00:56 PM

lexnaturalis: The_Mad_Dutchman: I guess there's only manufactured outrage over killing a criminal if they happen to be carrying a bag of candy, otherwise they're "thugs". Hard to keep these things straight anymore. Also, before some idiot starts with the "Stand Your Ground" comments, you are generally justified in using lethal force in prevention of a forcible felony, to wit armed robbery, and this falls outside any Stand Your Ground law.

You're really turning the derp up to 11. I'm impressed.


Well, apart from atrocious grammar, the point he's trying to state is true. In some states, if a forcible felony is being committed, you're allowed to use lethal force to stop it. Doesn't come up often, but it got its basis in common law.
 
2013-11-06 11:01:07 PM

Hz so good: You hang around people while they commit a crime, you get charged with the same crime, because you didn't try to stop them.


That's somewhere between a little wrong and completely wrong. The 3rd person being charged was an active player in the robbery. Not someone hanging around. And not stopping a person from committing a crime is not a crime, with a few exceptions.
 
2013-11-06 11:02:55 PM

Clint_Torres: lack of warmth: That link is very useful, but it did leave one question.  Why is the getaway driver being charged with second degree murder?  Did anyone other than the two suspects get killed?

Some states have laws that if anyone dies during the commission of an armed robbery or felony (IANAL), the criminals are charged with their deaths, regardless of the circumstances. In this case, the fataway driver's two friends died and he was apprehended. Ergo, he is charged with their deaths.

This is just going from what I have read previous to this situation, and haven't verified it recently. But these laws have been around for a little while.


Awww man he's already being knocked with homicide charges for being a driver to a two-bit robbery gone real bad and now you've gotta point that out too? Not cool man, not cool.
 
2013-11-06 11:03:34 PM
A: Dick move local ABC reporter.

B: the denial that those people are living in is deep as a mfkr.
 
2013-11-06 11:04:18 PM
NightOwl2255:

Clint_Torres:

Yeah, I saw that in the other link.  However, it is one of those laws that just doesn't quite fit logically in my head.  I get they wouldn't be dead if they hadn't gone through with the crime, but I can only see him getting charged with murder if someone other than him and his friends died.  Charge him with the conspiracy, gun charges and robbery charges, sure.  You can even get him on traffic violations and I will be on board, the murder charge just doesn't sit well with me.

I will point out another media fail, as the hero citizen is hiding for his life and tv reporter points out the man's building.  Good work there tv reporter, you may have helped create another chance for the man to demonstrate his marksmanship.
 
2013-11-06 11:05:30 PM
"My brother was a good kid."

I guess it depends on what your definition of 'good' is.
 
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