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(Ars Technica)   Google to NSA: Fark You   ( divider line 13
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6171 clicks; posted to Geek » on 06 Nov 2013 at 5:22 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-11-06 05:25:43 PM  
9 votes:
Later, Google to NSA: "Sorry about that...we had to say that for PR purposes.  Here's all the stuff you wanted."
2013-11-06 08:01:20 PM  
2 votes:
Google would never hand over keys to tap their main network because that's a huge portion of their business.  They make money serving targeted ads, they determine who to serve those ads based on that data.  They aren't going to just hand it all over.

NSLs might require specific individuals, but not the entire farking data store.

Also for those who DNRTFA

- Google was already upgrading all its connections between data centers 6 months before Snowden
- This is not Google PR, it's two network engineers posting their opinions on G+
- The reason they weren't already encrypted is due to performance overhead.  Only in the past few years has hardware become fast enough to make on-the-fly encryption not cost a ton of performance.

There are reasons not to trust Google, this however is one time they are doing the right thing.  It's funny to see the paranoia crowd freak the fark out though.
2013-11-06 06:11:55 PM  
2 votes:

comslave: 6 months ago, the FBI announced they had no way to break into TOR traffic.  2 months ago they announce the busting of a child porn ring...because they broke into TOR traffic.

this too will not last, it it's true at all.

They were able to break TOR because they seized a hosting facility that had a ton of TOR entry and exit nodes. They didn't break TOR encryption at all, they used a zero day in a browser and injected that in to the parts of the TOR network they controlled. This in turn allowed them to see more data than they should have been able to see, and circumvented a lot of the TOR anonymity.
2013-11-06 06:10:30 PM  
2 votes:
Ah, the last bastion of privacy...Google.

2013-11-06 05:47:56 PM  
2 votes:
Right. I believe you, Google.
2013-11-06 10:32:09 PM  
1 votes:

Shrugging Atlas: Everytime I see one of these leaked slides I just have to wonder how an organization like the NSA can't bring in a single unpaid intern to do a better job at making them.

Finding an unpaid intern with the necessary security clearances might be a problem.
2013-11-06 09:20:03 PM  
1 votes:

cyberspacedout: cheer: cyberspacedout: You'd think, if they were sending unencrypted data, that the NSA would be the least of their worries.

They were sending the data over their internal network, not the Internet.  Most companies don't encrypt all of their data, just sensitive stuff (customer info, payment info, healthcare-related stuff, and so on).

When the article said "between its data centers," I assumed it meant different buildings that aren't on the same property. Wouldn't they transmit data from their internal network over the series of tubes that is the internet?

No, they do it over isolated fiber cables, either leased or owned.

But the spooks physically tap into the cables or the intermediate equipment.

They aren't the totally isolated pressurized-gas conduits that the DoD deployed back in the 70s and 80s.
2013-11-06 06:35:40 PM  
1 votes:

sethen320: Ah, the last bastion of privacy...Google.


Hah. Yeah I was thinking the same thing. NOW Google is all pro-privacy?
2013-11-06 05:59:10 PM  
1 votes:
NSA will have to pay like everyone else.
2013-11-06 05:50:12 PM  
1 votes:
6 months ago, the FBI announced they had no way to break into TOR traffic.  2 months ago they announce the busting of a child porn ring...because they broke into TOR traffic.

this too will not last, it it's true at all.
2013-11-06 05:40:10 PM  
1 votes:
MUSCULAR.  Jesus, how insecure about your manhood do you have to be to name your surveillance program MUSCULAR?
2013-11-06 05:38:33 PM  
1 votes:
I'll be surprised if they say it again to the NSA when it demands Google hand over the encryption key.
2013-11-06 05:33:16 PM  
1 votes:
Google to NSA: Fark You and come again tomorrow
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