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(The Raw Story)   Why are young men increasingly spurning marriage and fatherhood in favor of "Porn, beer, video games with the guys, freedom and fleeting sexual encounters"? Because gays, of course, duh   (rawstory.com) divider line 183
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2013-11-07 03:01:40 AM
Every time I hear Lydia say "I'm sworn to carry your burdens" in that whiny voice I think "Jeex, that sounds just like Michelle, that girl who farked over Niko" and I think "No way am I marrying that biatch". Plus Lydia is really hard to hang with; she steps on every trap and runs off to fight at the slightest provocation, gets between me and the target, you name it, so no way am I getting married to her.
 
2013-11-07 03:03:09 AM
The only non-emotional reason for a guy to get married today is that a woman has a chance for promotion and higher earning power - if she's a career woman. Because unless they need a female executive or manager for "diversity", there's a very long f*cking line and the boomers ain't retiring.

There's absolutely no reason why marriage lends itself to being a life goal for anyone but those that want to be trophy spouses.
 
2013-11-07 03:06:26 AM

BSABSVR: Richard C Stanford: Yes, PacMan fever, bootleg liquor, and pin-up gals are keeping our younguns from popping out the next generation of conservatives to fight the Soviets, and it's all the homosexual-communist's fault. Do your duty: be a slut who doesn't use any of that commie birth control.
/Crazy lady's views in a nutshell.

All this time I thought it was Green Lantern comics, Elvis the Pelvis and Lucille Ball saying "pregnant".


wow, my brain's in full-recovery mode... elvis the pelvis brought back wonderful memories of my ex, and i also now have the conversation from "american gods" stuck in my head where media asks "have you ever wanted to see lucy's tits?"
 
2013-11-07 03:07:17 AM

themindiswatching: It costs less than $100 to get married at the courthouse.

/excluding clothing and any reception-type activity the couple wants to hold


And the house your girlfriend-turned-wife will insist that you buy, and the kids she will insist on having...
 
2013-11-07 03:12:46 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Benevolent Misanthrope: Because they've grown up in an era of poor discipline, poor parenting, and instant gratification, coupled with the fact that either they've accepted the fact that they will never get laid, or that women will fark them without them having to buy the sex with financial stability.

Next question.

well yeah. But saying that Gays taught them that hanging out with other guys is more fun then women is more entertaining.

buzz kill.


"MAH SON IS HANGIN' OUT WITH OTHER GUYS 'CUZ OF TEH GHEY! Now, I'm off to Bubba's house to watch football, hunt, and drink with the guys, without a woman in sight!"

/And maybe watch sweaty guys in nothing but Speedos punch and grab at one another.
 
2013-11-07 03:17:44 AM

themindiswatching: doglover: themindiswatching: It costs less than $100 to get married at the courthouse.

No, it costs upwards of half a million dollars or more over the next 18 years to raise a kid and even more to send 'em to college.

Don't be obtuse you jackaninny. You know what I meant.

You're not required to have kids after getting married.


And you're not required to get married to have kids.

Thus, the only practical reason for restricting marriage is defeated.
 
2013-11-07 03:19:11 AM

Marc L'Hommedieu: Looks like all the reasons have been pretty much covered.  When people ask why i don't have kids yet, i always say "That's step three.  Step one is finding a reasonably attractive, sane, responsible woman who only wants to have sex with me for the rest of her life.  Step two is having enough money to always feel secure.  I'm still working on those first two steps."

Sometimes i listen to Michael Savage for the Lulz, and he paints this picture of his parents' generation that is supposed to sound bootstrappy, but just sounds horrible instead.  "Our parents were uneducated and mean, and they abandoned every hope and dream they ever had, and worked horrible, dirty, soul-crushing jobs for 80 hours a week, and smoked and drank until they looked twice as old as they were, all to support me and my five siblings!  They were real men and real women, not like these kids today!"

No.  Thanks.

LULZ.


brains looks sanity.  pick two.
 
2013-11-07 03:28:45 AM
mpirooz:
/side note, I see why she hates the gays, I think I'd rather have sex with a man then a woman that looks like that.

gerard butler.  as soon as he starts talking all bets are off...
 
2013-11-07 03:29:54 AM
... not worth selling yourself to buy the cow.
 
2013-11-07 03:38:43 AM

IlGreven: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Benevolent Misanthrope: Because they've grown up in an era of poor discipline, poor parenting, and instant gratification, coupled with the fact that either they've accepted the fact that they will never get laid, or that women will fark them without them having to buy the sex with financial stability.

Next question.

well yeah. But saying that Gays taught them that hanging out with other guys is more fun then women is more entertaining.

buzz kill.

"MAH SON IS HANGIN' OUT WITH OTHER GUYS 'CUZ OF TEH GHEY! Now, I'm off to Bubba's house to watch football, hunt, and drink with the guys, without a woman in sight!"

/And maybe watch sweaty guys in nothing but Speedos punch and grab at one another.


img.fark.net
 
2013-11-07 04:03:08 AM
I'm over 40 and still single.  Nothing against marriage, but I don't have anyone TO marry.  I know a number of women who like me, but they already have husbands.
 
2013-11-07 04:19:38 AM

Gyrfalcon: Since that will never happen, I can assume you'll be childless till the day you die.


Reasonably secure.  Yes, i'm aware that even people with millions of dollars are not "secure" in some grand universal sense.  Heck, we all might die tomorrow, right?  What i mean is, i don't like the idea of kids until i have more money than i do now, because they cost a lot and i'm not the type to start signing up for food stamps and medicaid like a lot of the struggling parents i know.

What i'm saying is, there's no rush.  I'd rather get my money right, become a well-to-do middle aged twat, and then marry a younger woman to produce my treasured heir or whatnot.  I know a lot of guys who have 2 kids by the time they're 24, and it never seems to end well.
 
2013-11-07 04:27:37 AM

AngryDragon: My ex got hooked on drugs, cost us about $40,000 while we were married, and STILL got the court to take me for 6-figures in the divorce.

I now have money, freedom, and women 10 years my junior chasing me on a daily basis.  Fark marriage.


Dude!!!

You're only 23...........
 
2013-11-07 04:42:24 AM

themindiswatching: It costs less than $100 to get married at the courthouse.


The divorce might be a bit more, though.
 
2013-11-07 06:03:44 AM
Guh.  Traditionalists are so adept at missing the point.  This has nothing to do with a lack of a proper "masculine ideal".  An economic outlook can quite easily explain why men aren't marrying and prefer porn and video games:  Incentives.  Or rather the lack of them.

When a guy is old enough to think about marriage, he's looking at a market filled with women who have probably had at least a handful of partners, at least one of which was more exciting than he is.  For his part, he's likely had sex with at least one woman who was so amazing at it that his future wife can't hope to live up.  Thus putting a handicap on the chances of a successful marriage right from the get go.  Strangely, though he probably won't even think about it, these women will likely expect him to commit to and sacrifice for them just so he can continue to get the very thing they handed out for free to a handful of guys before him.

Meanwhile, he sees that more than half of marriages are ending in divorce leaving many a guy financially ruined, and the one's that don't end in divorce are often "cheaper to keep her" stories where the guy is miserable, doesn't have possession of his own testicles, and basically just does whatever he's told.  This is the perception, anyway, whether or not it's true hardly matters.

Then, even though women are now equal, he discovers that most women still want men to do all of the work of courtship.  So in order to even get to this undesirable end goal, he has to take most of the risks of pursuit and rejection and spending time and money just to get flaked on or shot down because he likely has barely a clue what he's doing when it comes to dating.  Compounding this, he has to compete with "naturals" who seem to magnetically attract women for casual flings just so he can get turned down the majority of the time, as well.

If he makes it through all of this, he now finds that he has to give up on all of his goals of becoming a musician, owning a sweet sports car or motorcycle, and he has no choice but to work a job he'll probably hate because other people need money from him.

Or he can relax, have a great time with his friends, get drunk, have cheap and easy sex, have an easy job that's just good enough to get him the things he wants, and more-or-less complete control over his life without someone telling him what he's obligated to do.

Again, whether or not all of this is true all of the time, or exactly the way I laid it out isn't the point - it's whether or not this is perceived to be true.  And if anyone accuses me of misogyny because what I said isn't flattering to women, I swear to God......Just don't, please, it's getting old.  That word has lost all meaning.

What we're discovering here is just how tenuous the heterosexual bond between men and women really is, and how fragile the pairing systems of the past really were.  Men and women, by default, are not the ideal partners of one another.  One or the other of them will have to sacrifice their ideal state of affairs in order to make things work for the other one.  Both men's desires and women's desires cannot be met at the same time because of scarcity and opportunity costs and just outright mutual exclusivity.  It's amazing that any serious relationships even work at all, really.

Not to belabor the point, but with all of this in mind, what this woman is really saying is, "We need a masculine ideal that encourages men to willingly sacrifice their desires on behalf of womens', in spite of the lack of incentive to do so."  Just dressed up with fancy, traditionalist, flowery language.

tl;dr:  Invest your money in whatever company first manufactures sex robots.
 
2013-11-07 06:10:29 AM

cgraves67: Because their own fathers seemed miserable while setting poor examples of what it is to be a husband and a father. Who wants to follow in the footsteps of misery and failure?


in a suprise reverse twist my mother was the one who was not there, dad won custody and raised us not a day passes that I dont miss him. (not to say I do love my mother very much but shes a raging alcoholic who is now in a nursing home at 58 because of multiple strokes)

But anyway, I have concluded sharing too much.  Sadly the thing in the article has it right for me teh gay got me early I am quite happy without kids and I have a stable partner who does not mind sitting in a deer stand in 30&40 degree weather at 7AM with me, the only thing im missing is a marriage liscence and thats only because we dont want to spend the money to cross two state lines to get it.
 
2013-11-07 06:20:11 AM

FormlessOne: In other news, social change over the last forty years has broken a number of social compacts and traditions, leaving many members of previous generations confused as to how to proceed.


Follow your instincts, do what makes you happy.  All relationships are transient either by choice or by circumstance.  Treat others like you would want to be treated while you have the opportunity to.  That's my philosophy.
 
2013-11-07 06:32:57 AM
You know, I honestly want to get married. The thing is I've been unemployed for over a year and a half after receiving my Masters degree, and now that I am broke, I've had to move in with my parents. A woman isn't going to even want to date me because right now I am baggage. Unattractive and unemployed? That's not a good sell at all.

theknuckler_33: Why can't these people just worry about their own damned relationships and stop pretending like what other people do somehow effects them?

"On every key measure, marriage is weaker," she writes.

Even *if* that were somehow demonstrably true, so farking what? Does this somehow mean YOUR (or my) relationship is somehow in jeopardy? Trust me, your relationship is only in jeopardy from you and your S.O.'s actions.


Because they're dominionists who take the world as immoral, and society further moving away from the proper way to live, and it infuriates them and they are thrashing desperately to try and fight it. Just like every religious prude in every generation before.
 
2013-11-07 06:40:55 AM
"The only really happy folk are married women and single men."

~H L Mencken

/Not married.
//Happeh.
 
2013-11-07 06:57:25 AM
Brainsick:

Heh. What are your odds of getting laid by one of your motorcycles tonight or getting a smile out of your paid-for house simply because it loves you?

Not everyone's self-worth is based on sex. And maybe he can just ride his motorcycle over to his lover's paid-for house.
 
2013-11-07 07:02:50 AM
 
2013-11-07 07:03:41 AM
it is important for a society to be family first (in the traditional sense of the term)
 
2013-11-07 09:24:21 AM
I don't understand the appeal of getting married and having kids at all.

In this environment?

No way...especially if the alternative is simply "do whatever you want when you want!"
 
2013-11-07 09:56:47 AM

blender61: Because I was smart enough to think it through and realize that getting married and having kids is the best way to fark yourself in the arse.


Actually, I've found the bear dildo from zoofur.com is the best way to fark yourself in the ass.  What you describe sounds like a great way to meet Chris Hansen.
 
2013-11-07 10:02:12 AM

Gyrfalcon: Since that will never happen, I can assume you'll be childless till the day you die.


The way you make it sound, it's like you think everyone has to validate their lives by living vicariously through children they don't want.  The correct word you're looking for is "childfree."
 
2013-11-07 10:02:32 AM

Brainsick: Heh. What are your odds of getting laid by one of your motorcycles tonight or getting a smile out of your paid-for house simply because it loves you?


img.fark.net
 
2013-11-07 10:29:57 AM
I'm a 30 year old software developer who just put his kid to sleep last night, then proceeded to pour a nice glass of straight rye whiskey, chromecasted some porn into the master bedroom tv (it's really the best use for the device) while I pounded Mrs. Spiderpaz, and then slept like a baby ... in a house that I own, so I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2013-11-07 10:47:53 AM

spiderpaz: I'm a 30 year old software developer who just put his kid to sleep last night, then proceeded to pour a nice glass of straight rye whiskey, chromecasted some porn into the master bedroom tv (it's really the best use for the device) while I pounded Mrs. Spiderpaz, and then slept like a baby ... in a house that I own, so I'm getting a kick out of this.


Oh, la-tee-da.  Not all of us get to be part of the 1% and want kids.
 
2013-11-07 12:17:19 PM
Because divorce is still biased towards women when children are involved.
 
2013-11-07 02:30:47 PM

BHShaman: Because divorce is still biased towards women when children are involved.


FTFY
 
2013-11-07 02:42:05 PM

omgbears: Brainsick: Heh. What are your odds of getting laid by one of your motorcycles tonight or getting a smile out of your paid-for house simply because it loves you?

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thumbs.dreamstime.com
 
2013-11-07 03:22:38 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: FTFA: "Without a powerful ideal of masculinity that points men toward marriage and fatherhood, more and more young men are deciding the hard work of becoming marriageable is not worth it"

Wasn't it back in the day that this "masculinity" equaled being a provider?
And you're expecting men today to provide on wages that haven't increased in 30 years, and most men coming out of college won't be buying a house, a car, or running a household, but moving in with the parents or roomates in order to save money for paying off student loans? And if they do happen to find a wife, she'll likely have to work for the same reasons, shiatty wages and education costs, and even then you won't be able to afford a house with what they cost these days.
I have no doubt a large number of men (and women) would jump at the chance for that kind of lifestyle, but it's inaccessible no matter how much effort is put into "becoming marriageable", so why not enjoy yourself instead of stewing in misery. Beer, porn, video games, and your friends are a better way to spend time than a job that does little but pay for the education that qualified you for it, you will not get ahead no matter how hard you work, and your job might get downsized or outsourced with no word or warning.

Your own Republican economic policies are destroying your social policies.


Exactly! This is what is dooming their "Ward and June Cleaver" picture of the ideal America and they are too blind to see it. No, somehow, it has to be the gays!
 
2013-11-07 03:39:56 PM

Brainsick: blender61: Because some of them are starting to figure it out.
Get on the treadmill and become the rat? That doesn't hold much appeal.

no wifes, past or present.
NO KIDS, I made sure of that.
house was paid for at 35.
garage full of motorcycles.
I come and go as I please and spend my money as I see fit.


Why? Because I was smart enough to think it through and realize that getting married and having kids is the best way to fark yourself in the arse.

If you want to win, always play the odds.

Heh. What are your odds of getting laid by one of your motorcycles tonight or getting a smile out of your paid-for house simply because it loves you?


I might not get laid by my motorcycle, but I've certainly gotten laid thanks to my motorcycle...
 
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