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(The Raw Story)   Why are young men increasingly spurning marriage and fatherhood in favor of "Porn, beer, video games with the guys, freedom and fleeting sexual encounters"? Because gays, of course, duh   (rawstory.com) divider line 183
    More: Dumbass, Maggie Gallagher, Human sexual activity, political freedom, same-sex marriages, video games, Terry McAuliffe  
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2013-11-06 05:08:33 PM  
GAH!! What is that thing? Chris Farley in bad drag?
 
2013-11-06 05:18:18 PM  
Because they've grown up in an era of poor discipline, poor parenting, and instant gratification, coupled with the fact that either they've accepted the fact that they will never get laid, or that women will fark them without them having to buy the sex with financial stability.

Next question.
 
2013-11-06 05:26:28 PM  
Because their own fathers seemed miserable while setting poor examples of what it is to be a husband and a father. Who wants to follow in the footsteps of misery and failure?
 
2013-11-06 05:30:50 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Because they've grown up in an era of poor discipline, poor parenting, and instant gratification, coupled with the fact that either they've accepted the fact that they will never get laid, or that women will fark them without them having to buy the sex with financial stability.

Next question.


well yeah. But saying that Gays taught them that hanging out with other guys is more fun then women is more entertaining.

buzz kill.
 
2013-11-06 05:31:48 PM  
More like they want to get married and settle down with a girl, but you can't do that on the modern super low slave wage corporations spit out so just like Japan no one can afford to get married for reals.
 
2013-11-06 05:43:01 PM  
Because people watched the movie Cocktail and believed it?
 
2013-11-06 05:43:26 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Benevolent Misanthrope: Because they've grown up in an era of poor discipline, poor parenting, and instant gratification, coupled with the fact that either they've accepted the fact that they will never get laid, or that women will fark them without them having to buy the sex with financial stability.

Next question.

well yeah. But saying that Gays taught them that hanging out with other guys is more fun then women is more entertaining.

buzz kill.


Sorry.  I suppose I'd be more interested if they asked why young women are increasingly spurning marriage in favor of erotica, wine, naked spa days with the girls, freedom and fleeting but extended sexual encounters.
 
2013-11-06 05:44:02 PM  
What the hell was all that? I tried to RFTA. It gave me gay butt cancer.
 
2013-11-06 05:45:08 PM  
"Hence  Call of Duty: Butt Sex With Beer released just this week."

Heh.
 
2013-11-06 05:46:31 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Sorry. I suppose I'd be more interested if they asked why young women are increasingly spurning marriage in favor of erotica, wine, naked spa days with the girls, freedom and fleeting but extended sexual encounters.


go on....
 
2013-11-06 05:46:52 PM  
Because family law means that if your marriage fails, you're 2/7ths of a dad AND destroyed financially, where at least if you are a woman, you're destroyed financially, but you still have your kids.

It isn't gay dudes, they always want to play WiiU, and I'm like "ZombiU sucks, I'd rather play GTA V."

Unless we're talking about gay dudes with PCs. I would hang out with them based on our apparent shared love of Civilization, at least based on the small sample size of gay, PC-game playing dudes that I know.

What were we talking about again?
 
2013-11-06 05:47:56 PM  
Was there ever a time in history when pornography, drinking, sports, and companionship (both male and female) were not part of the process?
 
2013-11-06 05:47:58 PM  

doglover: More like they want to get married and settle down with a girl, but you can't do that on the modern super low slave wage corporations spit out so just like Japan no one can afford to get married for reals.


It costs less than $100 to get married at the courthouse.

/excluding clothing and any reception-type activity the couple wants to hold
 
2013-11-06 05:48:42 PM  
If this thing is real (ignoring the gay baiting explanation) then I am okay with it. Just keep leaving them to us older guys. We will totally ruin them for you so you can have the damaged goods.
 
2013-11-06 05:49:37 PM  

themindiswatching: doglover: More like they want to get married and settle down with a girl, but you can't do that on the modern super low slave wage corporations spit out so just like Japan no one can afford to get married for reals.

It costs less than $100 to get married at the courthouse.

/excluding clothing and any reception-type activity the couple wants to hold


Sure. It's the "settle down" part (typically understood to mean a house and kids) which is expensive.
 
2013-11-06 05:49:43 PM  
Freedom is scary.
 
2013-11-06 05:50:04 PM  

themindiswatching: It costs less than $100 to get married at the courthouse.


No, it costs upwards of half a million dollars or more over the next 18 years to raise a kid and even more to send 'em to college.

Don't be obtuse you jackaninny. You know what I meant.
 
2013-11-06 05:52:14 PM  

lockers: If this thing is real (ignoring the gay baiting explanation) then I am okay with it. Just keep leaving them to us older guys. We will totally ruin them for you so you can have the damaged goods.


Proof that age does not equal wisdom.
 
2013-11-06 05:52:35 PM  

Smelly McUgly: Because family law means that if your marriage fails, you're 2/7ths of a dad AND destroyed financially, where at least if you are a woman, you're destroyed financially, but you still have your kids.

It isn't gay dudes, they always want to play WiiU, and I'm like "ZombiU sucks, I'd rather play GTA V."

Unless we're talking about gay dudes with PCs. I would hang out with them based on our apparent shared love of Civilization, at least based on the small sample size of gay, PC-game playing dudes that I know.

What were we talking about again?


Add one more to your sample of gay, PC-game playing dudes who love Civ. My new liquid-cooled rig arrives any day. :D
 
2013-11-06 05:52:59 PM  

We found paradise.

And they hated us for it.

 
2013-11-06 05:53:24 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Because they've grown up in an era of poor discipline, poor parenting, and instant gratification, coupled with the fact that either they've accepted the fact that they will never get laid, or that women will fark them without them having to buy the sex with financial stability.

Next question.


Yup, my poor discipline, poor parenting and love of instant gratification has led me to a life where i have my own place, a good job and, falling into the second of your options, a good sex life without the obligations that historically come with it.  And I'm not being snarky, I agree with your root argument, but I'm happy, too, so at least there's that.
 
2013-11-06 05:53:37 PM  

doglover: themindiswatching: It costs less than $100 to get married at the courthouse.

No, it costs upwards of half a million dollars or more over the next 18 years to raise a kid and even more to send 'em to college.

Don't be obtuse you jackaninny. You know what I meant.


You're not required to have kids after getting married.
 
2013-11-06 05:53:51 PM  
Maybe it's because the institution of marriage actually only works, or is even desirable for a much smaller percentage of the population than have in the past gotten married because the social pressure to do so is waining in light of the fact that we don't need kids to work on the farm anymore, and our parents having been through terrible marriages themselves aren't pushing as hard to see their kids married.

Kids are great, marriage is great for SOME people, maybe even MOST people, but it's not the only course successful relationships can take. People are finally feeling free to explore those alternatives. Yes, yes, I know this has all been tried before (it's called the 60's) and probably there's no significant difference between now and then except that it's been tried before. This is how things change; progress is made, there's pushback, then things get tried again, then there's pushback, but history tends towards progress. Yes, less people getting married is progress.
 
2013-11-06 05:54:09 PM  
FTA:   "Gallagher believes men must lead all households, which must consist of a husband, a wife, and children."

Oh, where to begin?
 
2013-11-06 05:55:15 PM  

Smelly McUgly: Because family law means that if your marriage fails, you're 2/7ths of a dad AND destroyed financially, where at least if you are a woman, you're destroyed financially, but you still have your kids.


And if you aren't going to have kids then there are few real advantages to getting married in the first place.
 
2013-11-06 05:56:34 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: FTA:   "Gallagher believes men must lead all households, which must consist of a husband, a wife, and children."

Oh, where to begin?


I would start with "men must", because anything that follows that is almost certainly bullcrap.
 
2013-11-06 05:56:45 PM  
Why do we need to have kids and get married and crap? There's NINE BILLON PEOPLE. Is that not enough?
 
2013-11-06 05:57:04 PM  
why isn't everyone just like me?

bigoted white & opinionated.

/go to hell lady, go  to hell.
 
2013-11-06 05:57:54 PM  
The author of this article has clearly not played Fallout or Skyrim.
 
2013-11-06 05:58:02 PM  
Why can't these people just worry about their own damned relationships and stop pretending like what other people do somehow effects them?

"On every key measure, marriage is weaker," she writes.

Even *if* that were somehow demonstrably true, so farking what? Does this somehow mean YOUR (or my) relationship is somehow in jeopardy? Trust me, your relationship is only in jeopardy from you and your S.O.'s actions.
 
2013-11-06 05:58:30 PM  
Late-stage capitalism.
 
2013-11-06 05:59:19 PM  

themindiswatching: doglover: themindiswatching: It costs less than $100 to get married at the courthouse.

No, it costs upwards of half a million dollars or more over the next 18 years to raise a kid and even more to send 'em to college.

Don't be obtuse you jackaninny. You know what I meant.

You're not required to have kids after getting married.


And yet ....

Thus we get the situation in the article. Ideally you just get married for love and nothing else, but numbers don't lie baby. Look at Japan. Some asshole actually wrote an article about there being no sex over here. False. Actually, there's just no marriage because it's too expensive.
 
2013-11-06 05:59:19 PM  

theknuckler_33: Why can't these people just worry about their own damned relationships and stop pretending like what other people do somehow effects them?

"On every key measure, marriage is weaker," she writes.

Even *if* that were somehow demonstrably true, so farking what? Does this somehow mean YOUR (or my) relationship is somehow in jeopardy? Trust me, your relationship is only in jeopardy from you and your S.O.'s actions.


that'd be a great question to ask this woman, "is you marriage weaker?"
 
2013-11-06 06:01:49 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Oh, where to begin?


well normally you start on the left and read to the right....


did you need a man to tell you that?

/snicker
 
2013-11-06 06:03:42 PM  
HEY! With the exception of fleeting sexual encounters, that's all me!

Who knew at 47 I was still a young man!?


//kill me. please, kill me.
 
2013-11-06 06:03:47 PM  

themindiswatching: doglover: themindiswatching: It costs less than $100 to get married at the courthouse.

No, it costs upwards of half a million dollars or more over the next 18 years to raise a kid and even more to send 'em to college.

Don't be obtuse you jackaninny. You know what I meant.

You're not required to have kids after getting married.


According to the dumb biatch in the article, you are: Gallagher believes men must lead all households, which must consist of a husband, a wife, and children.
 
2013-11-06 06:05:44 PM  

lockers: If this thing is real (ignoring the gay baiting explanation) then I am okay with it. Just keep leaving them to us older guys. We will totally ruin them for you so you can have the damaged goods.


Haha, jokes on you! We're already damaged!

wait....
 
2013-11-06 06:08:24 PM  
I was 30 when I got married and my wife was 27. I think 30 was a good age. The porn, beer, and video games sounds like my 20s and I had a great time. I think having some fun before I got married has made me a better husband and dad.
 
2013-11-06 06:08:32 PM  
Without a powerful ideal of masculinity that points men toward marriage and fatherhood, more and more young men are deciding the hard work of becoming marriageable is not worth it: Porn, beer, video games with the guys, freedom and fleeting sexual encounters are good enough.

upload.wikimedia.org

Do you have a single fact to back that up?
 
2013-11-06 06:10:04 PM  

Hi! I can lick my own eyebrows: //kill me. please, kill me.


I'll be your nemesis.
 
2013-11-06 06:10:18 PM  
FTFA: "Without a powerful ideal of masculinity that points men toward marriage and fatherhood, more and more young men are deciding the hard work of becoming marriageable is not worth it"

Wasn't it back in the day that this "masculinity" equaled being a provider?
And you're expecting men today to provide on wages that haven't increased in 30 years, and most men coming out of college won't be buying a house, a car, or running a household, but moving in with the parents or roomates in order to save money for paying off student loans? And if they do happen to find a wife, she'll likely have to work for the same reasons, shiatty wages and education costs, and even then you won't be able to afford a house with what they cost these days.
I have no doubt a large number of men (and women) would jump at the chance for that kind of lifestyle, but it's inaccessible no matter how much effort is put into "becoming marriageable", so why not enjoy yourself instead of stewing in misery. Beer, porn, video games, and your friends are a better way to spend time than a job that does little but pay for the education that qualified you for it, you will not get ahead no matter how hard you work, and your job might get downsized or outsourced with no word or warning.

Your own Republican economic policies are destroying your social policies.
 
2013-11-06 06:15:50 PM  

ladodger34: I was 30 when I got married and my wife was 27. I think 30 was a good age. The porn, beer, and video games sounds like my 20s and I had a great time. I think having some fun before I got married has made me a better husband and dad.


This. I was 32, my wife was 28. We have 1 child, a daughter, she's 11 now.

/my lawn, etc.
 
2013-11-06 06:17:58 PM  
She mad.
 
2013-11-06 06:19:15 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: She mad.


She sounds like one of those people with a meticulously followed "life plan" that can't figure out why that doesn't equate to happiness.
 
2013-11-06 06:21:00 PM  
Because divorce is so biases against men that its not worth the risk you take when you get married.
 
2013-11-06 06:21:10 PM  
How Maggie Gallagher's college pregnancy made her a single mom, and a traditional marriage zealot

A backgrounder if you don't already know who Maggie Gallagher is.
 
2013-11-06 06:23:17 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: How Maggie Gallagher's college pregnancy made her a single mom, and a traditional marriage zealot

A backgrounder if you don't already know who Maggie Gallagher is.


Nevermind, I was wrong. Jump, jump, jumping to conclusions!!
 
2013-11-06 06:24:23 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:

Sorry.  I suppose I'd be more interested if they asked why young women are increasingly spurning marriage in favor of erotica, wine, naked spa days with the girls, freedom and fleeting but extended sexual encounters.

Tell me more...
 
2013-11-06 06:25:03 PM  

Carn: The author of this article has clearly not played Fallout or Skyrim.


"I was a heterosexual Christian like you, until i took a penis to the butt."
 
2013-11-06 06:26:17 PM  

timujin: Benevolent Misanthrope: Because they've grown up in an era of poor discipline, poor parenting, and instant gratification, coupled with the fact that either they've accepted the fact that they will never get laid, or that women will fark them without them having to buy the sex with financial stability.

Next question.

Yup, my poor discipline, poor parenting and love of instant gratification has led me to a life where i have my own place, a good job and, falling into the second of your options, a good sex life without the obligations that historically come with it.  And I'm not being snarky, I agree with your root argument, but I'm happy, too, so at least there's that.


You're not supposed to be happy, you're supposed to do what society expects of you.  Now go get married and have kids damnit!
 
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