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(The Atlantic)   The 33 whitest jobs in America   (theatlantic.com ) divider line
    More: Interesting, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Chicago's South Side, Bureau of Labor Statistics  
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2013-11-06 05:49:35 PM  

sendtodave: Smeggy Smurf: Why is it skin color is still being used as a way to separate people.  It's almost as though the racists need to keep bringing it up in order to justify their political agenda.  MLK Jr. would say shame on you.

This is a troll post, right?


Nope, it's a post from a racist who wants you to know you're really the racist for noticing his racism.
 
2013-11-06 05:49:40 PM  
Speech pathologist?

Got ebonics?
 
2013-11-06 05:51:15 PM  

tasteslikegreen: Married, housewife with kids by her current husband should be on the list.


Ahhh, Republicans and their racism.
 
2013-11-06 05:51:55 PM  
FTA:"Whites account for about 81 percent of the workforce. But there are 33 occupations ... where whites officially account for  nine in ten of all workers

Nine percent?  Including such cherry jobs as Misc. agricultural workers or other installation/repair?

THE HORROR!
 
2013-11-06 05:52:05 PM  
senior ediror at The AtlanticElvis impersonator
 
2013-11-06 05:52:51 PM  
What about a Catholic Priest?  I haven't seen too many of them.
 
2013-11-06 05:53:28 PM  

Kit Fister: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Hmm hardly any jobs that involve physical labor or working outdoors. One could look at this list and conclude that white people are lazy and afraid of hard work...

Ever been a plumber? Machinist? Millwright? Electrician? Carpenter? Farmer?

Oh you're trolling. Either that or you've had a stroke and thus are acting like a total douchebag lately.


Sorry :(
 
2013-11-06 05:53:34 PM  

Deedeemarz: I see misc. ag workers and groundskeepers are >90% white, so I am assuming the survey counted Hispanics as an ethnicity rather than a race. Either that or the survey didn't include Texas.


This. Most smaller towns in my area are 70-80% Hispanic with the schools running around 90-93% Hispanic. One exception is a small German town. Even the vehicles are white there.
 
2013-11-06 05:53:42 PM  

8 inches: President of the United States?


I think that one's covered under "Masons".
 
2013-11-06 05:53:48 PM  

Nexzus: Just thinking about the 70 person IT department here at a regional government, Western Canada. . . . The vast majority of the rest of the company, at least here at head-office (800 people), is white, genders represented equally though. Maybe 20% are visible minorities. There's 2 black guys here at HO.


Dude, it's Canada. If a black person so much as crosses the border, Canadians melt them down and turn them into hockey pucks.
 
2013-11-06 05:57:36 PM  
I knew pilots would be high on the list. 93% white, ~95% male.

There are old-money country clubs that look downright multicultural next to career pilots.
 
2013-11-06 05:57:50 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: tasteslikegreen: Married, housewife with kids by her current husband should be on the list.

Ahhh, Republicans and their racism.


Methinks he doth protest too much.
 
2013-11-06 06:03:04 PM  
Cheesemaker?
 
2013-11-06 06:03:23 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Kit Fister: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Hmm hardly any jobs that involve physical labor or working outdoors. One could look at this list and conclude that white people are lazy and afraid of hard work...

Ever been a plumber? Machinist? Millwright? Electrician? Carpenter? Farmer?

Oh you're trolling. Either that or you've had a stroke and thus are acting like a total douchebag lately.

Sorry :(


Its okay, just. ..if you need to talk or anything, eip.
Otherwise, chill with the whole organic/locally sourced/whatever thing. And yeah, a lot of the jobs on this list, and a lot of blue collar jobs in general, have been pretty White bread for a long time. But as someone who farms, has trained as a machinist, done electrical and carpentry, and other blue collar jobs, you're damn right they're hard work.

But I honestly, if I could, would go back and be a welder or a machinist if I could because then I would be doing a job that produced something and was a legitimate skill rather than computer crap which is intangible and wholly unfulfilling.
 
2013-11-06 06:06:49 PM  
Being white, I'm getting a kick out of this...

\ What about Africa? They could do more to promote white Shamans & Tribal warlords! Are they? fark no.
 
2013-11-06 06:08:31 PM  

Kit Fister: wiseolddude: Welder

I have been in structural steel manufacturing for over 35 years and have only seen about 10 Black welders.

You know I've been thinking about going back and getting my degree in mechanical engineering and also certed as a welder. Get out of technology.


Welding is fun. Make sure you get certified on pipe, because that's where the money is.  Underwater welders make more, but the mortality rate is rather high.

/Got certified in Stick and Mig welding
//Terrible at it
///Went back to IT/Telecom
 
2013-11-06 06:08:33 PM  

Vector R: Cheesemaker?


Blessed are the cheesemakers
 
2013-11-06 06:10:37 PM  
Flour bagger?
Icing sugar taster?
Baking soda inspector?
Cocaine cutter?
Horse semen extractor?
 
2013-11-06 06:11:11 PM  

wiseolddude: Welder

I have been in structural steel manufacturing for over 35 years and have only seen about 10 Black welders.



I'm surprised.  All the welders I've seen are red, not white or black.

/I've only seen their faces, though
 
2013-11-06 06:11:13 PM  
"Millwrights"?  How old is this data?
 
2013-11-06 06:16:37 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: El_Frijole_Blanco: I too feel they are counting hisppanics as white. Farmer, construction and auto body. I never see white guys doing that and lets face it the Mexicans now own concrete in the entire Americas from Argentina to Canada wit Cemex

A farmer and a farm worker are two completely different people. I have honestly never seen an Hispanic farmer. I don't doubt they exist, but every single farmer I've ever seen is lilly white in every sense of the term.


Hispanic farmers can be found in the Southwest.  New Mexico, Southern Colorado, Texas, Arizona and California.  These are states where Spanish and Portuguese people made up the first first European settlers.
 
2013-11-06 06:17:36 PM  

miss diminutive: Flour bagger?
Icing sugar taster?
Baking soda inspector?
Cocaine cutter?
Horse semen extractor?


I love you.
 
2013-11-06 06:18:50 PM  

AngryDragon: FTA:"Whites account for about 81 percent of the workforce. But there are 33 occupations ... where whites officially account for  nine in ten of all workers

Nine percent?  Including such cherry jobs as Misc. agricultural workers or other installation/repair?

THE HORROR!


How does an ethnicity that only comprises 72% of the population, account for 81% of the total work force?
 
2013-11-06 06:19:03 PM  

Hz so good: Kit Fister: wiseolddude: Welder

I have been in structural steel manufacturing for over 35 years and have only seen about 10 Black welders.

You know I've been thinking about going back and getting my degree in mechanical engineering and also certed as a welder. Get out of technology.

Welding is fun. Make sure you get certified on pipe, because that's where the money is.  Underwater welders make more, but the mortality rate is rather high.

/Got certified in Stick and Mig welding
//Terrible at it
///Went back to IT/Telecom


Yeah, I grew up on a farm and learned to weld out of necessity. Cheaper and makes equipment last ten times longer when you can fix it yourself.
 
2013-11-06 06:19:53 PM  

Slam1263: AngryDragon: FTA:"Whites account for about 81 percent of the workforce. But there are 33 occupations ... where whites officially account for  nine in ten of all workers

Nine percent?  Including such cherry jobs as Misc. agricultural workers or other installation/repair?

THE HORROR!

How does an ethnicity that only comprises 72% of the population, account for 81% of the total work force?


I'd hedge a guess, but I'd be labeled a racist.
 
2013-11-06 06:20:04 PM  
Well damn, I'm a white electrician lol. For what it's worth, in my particular apprenticeship class white guys are outnumbered. The 7 man crew I work with has two black guys and a guy with Mexican ancestors. At least down here in New Orleans local 130, the 90% white claim is untrue. ;p
 
2013-11-06 06:21:16 PM  

flondrix: "Millwrights"?  How old is this data?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millwright#The_modern_millwright


There's still plenty of work to be done (and specialized skill required) in setting up heavy fixed machinery.
 
2013-11-06 06:21:22 PM  
Can't say I'm surprised sales is on there.  Particularly auto sales.  I can count on one hand the non-white sales guys at the dealership group.  Only takes one finger to count the female salespeople.  Kinda depressing really.
 
2013-11-06 06:21:53 PM  
Steve Harvey, Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain etc etc beg to differ with the White Racist viewpoint of the Atlantic.
 
2013-11-06 06:24:02 PM  
Kit Fister:

Yeah, I grew up on a farm and learned to weld out of necessity. Cheaper and makes equipment last ten times longer when you can fix it yourself.

Quite true.

The only time I weld anymore is if I repair a few things for friends.
 
2013-11-06 06:24:55 PM  
Popes. Pretty close to 100% I would think. Excluding Pope Joan of course.
 
2013-11-06 06:29:39 PM  

Dedmon: Well damn, I'm a white electrician lol. For what it's worth, in my particular apprenticeship class white guys are outnumbered. The 7 man crew I work with has two black guys and a guy with Mexican ancestors. At least down here in New Orleans local 130, the 90% white claim is untrue. ;p


Given the population blend in NO, that doesn't surprise me.
 
2013-11-06 06:31:44 PM  

JameZZ82: Slave Owner?


Hadn't you heard? White people gave that up over a century ago. Now, the only place it's being practiced is overseas, where we got it from in the first place.

And good riddance.
 
2013-11-06 06:32:46 PM  
black people work at walmaert
 
2013-11-06 06:34:10 PM  
My dog's vet is indian. I should get a scooby snack
 
2013-11-06 06:38:25 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: El_Frijole_Blanco: I too feel they are counting hisppanics as white. Farmer, construction and auto body. I never see white guys doing that and lets face it the Mexicans now own concrete in the entire Americas from Argentina to Canada wit Cemex

A farmer and a farm worker are two completely different people. I have honestly never seen an Hispanic farmer. I don't doubt they exist, but every single farmer I've ever seen is lilly white in every sense of the term.


I have about 15 of them in my family raising pigs, cattle, sheep and growing cotton and citrus mostly
 
2013-11-06 06:39:25 PM  

PvtStash: and this right here

"While 37% of Chicago is black, only 10% of all new apprentices in the construction trades between 2000 and 2003 were black"

is why i love math but hate statistics.


This means nothing, nothing at all, stand alone by itself.
What might mater would be the % of blacks that applied for the jobs compared to whites who applied and got the job.

If only 10% are black, but 100% of the blacks who applied were taken...

FU statistical manipulators telling only half the story.


It doesn't sound like your beef is with statistics. It doesn't sound like you even know what statistics are.
If you had a problem with statistics, you might question whether or not the 4 year hiring period was representative of a longer period. You would question the way the numbers themselves are generated. But you don't.
What you do complain about is that a "gross statistical discrepancy" is evidence of discriminatory behavior. It is, but that's all it is. And the reason it is, is because in general it is reasonable to assume that statistics of large random subsets are in some sense good estimators of population statistics. In fact, we don't have to assume that, we can prove that. As anyone who "loves math" knows.
You need to argue that the subset is not in fact random, and you need to do it in such a way that race itself factors out. You haven't done that at all. If only 10% of the people who apply are black, then why don't blacks apply for those jobs? Again, that should be a statistic which is close to the population statistic. Race has not factored itself out. You've merely changed the problem you need to solve. You haven't actually solved anything.
All of this is reasonable stuff, and it's also the law. If you claim in a court that there is discrimination, the statistics provided by the author are allowable evidence, regardless of whether or not you like the numbers. But like I said, that's all it is, evidence. If you can come up with convincing evidence that the numbers were not generated properly, or that the subset was not chosen in such a way that the estimator should converge to the population statistic, then you'll win.
 
2013-11-06 06:40:01 PM  

mahoot: The Dog Ate My Homework: El_Frijole_Blanco: I too feel they are counting hisppanics as white. Farmer, construction and auto body. I never see white guys doing that and lets face it the Mexicans now own concrete in the entire Americas from Argentina to Canada wit Cemex

A farmer and a farm worker are two completely different people. I have honestly never seen an Hispanic farmer. I don't doubt they exist, but every single farmer I've ever seen is lilly white in every sense of the term.

Hispanic farmers can be found in the Southwest.  New Mexico, Southern Colorado, Texas, Arizona and California.  These are states where Spanish and Portuguese people made up the first first European settlers.


And make up most of the Farmers, the Mormons pretty much round out the rest and fall in the lilly white category
 
2013-11-06 06:40:38 PM  
Husband?
 
2013-11-06 06:42:19 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Fox News on-air talent?
Country music singers?


Back in the day they used to sneak Mexican women into the country singer category
 
2013-11-06 06:42:28 PM  
There are black engineers?
 
2013-11-06 06:43:24 PM  
There is a distinction between 'whitest' vs least blacks. For ex a lot of Asians holds the same type of jobs as whites.
 
2013-11-06 06:43:39 PM  
prisoners...o wait
 
2013-11-06 06:47:54 PM  
If Denzel Washington plays one a movie, does that mean the job is not 100% white?
 
2013-11-06 06:53:20 PM  

AngryDragon: FTA:"Whites account for about 81 percent of the workforce. But there are 33 occupations ... where whites officially account for  nine in ten of all workers

Nine percent?  Including such cherry jobs as Misc. agricultural workers or other installation/repair?

THE HORROR!


I'm guessing your occupation is not mathematician.
 
2013-11-06 06:57:40 PM  
In my IT department (server/network infrastructure), I'm one of the few white guys. The server team is 90% black, the network team is about an even mix of black and hispanic and our Director is American Indi-BWAAAHAAA!! Aw man, I can't do it. Yeah, we're all white.
 
2013-11-06 06:58:03 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Popes. Pretty close to 100% I would think. Excluding Pope Joan of course.


What race was she?
 
2013-11-06 07:02:58 PM  

Shirley Ujest: There are black engineers?


My friend's dad (black) used to be an engineer for Texas Instruments
 
2013-11-06 07:09:13 PM  

usernameguy: AngryDragon: FTA:"Whites account for about 81 percent of the workforce. But there are 33 occupations ... where whites officially account for  nine in ten of all workers

Nine percent?  Including such cherry jobs as Misc. agricultural workers or other installation/repair?

THE HORROR!

I'm guessing your occupation is not mathematician.


That's racist.
 
2013-11-06 07:24:27 PM  
List fails without Librarian.
 
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