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(CBS Baltimore)   Former NSA staff member says he blew the whistle years before Snowden and with funnier headline   (baltimore.cbslocal.com) divider line 49
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2013-11-06 03:06:49 PM
The problem was that it was just his word, and no real documentation.  Snowden stole the documents that supported his story.
 
2013-11-06 03:13:36 PM
Maybe if he ran off to China with some stolen laptops and flash drives, someone would have paid attention to him.
 
2013-11-06 03:22:08 PM

ManateeGag: Maybe if he ran off to China with some stolen laptops and flash drives, someone would have paid attention to him.


Or he could have at least tried dating a stripper so we'd listen. Amateur *rolls eyes*
 
2013-11-06 03:32:47 PM
Snowden is so mainstream.

cdn.meme.li
 
2013-11-06 03:35:36 PM
Yeah, but he isn't popular like snowden so he doesn't count.
 
2013-11-06 03:39:15 PM
I don't want to live in a country that doesn't honor people who don't want to live in that country.
 
2013-11-06 03:39:23 PM
Not really a surprise to hear that Congress didn't give a shiat when this guy first complained.

Which just shows Snowden was smart to do it the way he did. When you go by the rules to make leadership accountable, the "leadership" uses the rules to fark you over, if not destroy you.

They force people to do it illegally just to try to have some sort of protection.

Because it's for damn sure you're not gonna have any when the govt. goes after you.
 
2013-11-06 03:40:12 PM

lockers: Yeah, but he isn't popular like snowden so he doesn't count.


Do hipsters know about this guy?
 
2013-11-06 03:40:45 PM
There have been many before Snowden. They went through the official channels to report what they saw, They then kept going up the chain to report the abuse. They were then destroyed by the very agencies they were working for. This is why Snowden skipped town. He saw what the Gov. did to those prior who tried to raise the alarm and inform citizens what its government was really doing.
 
2013-11-06 03:42:58 PM

dittybopper: The problem was that it was just his word, and no real documentation.  Snowden stole the documents that supported his story.


That was his goal.  He got the job with the specific purpose of stealing this stuff.
 
2013-11-06 03:43:06 PM
That was 2007

There's yer problem. Undermining the federal government didn't become cool until Fartbongo took office.
 
2013-11-06 03:43:32 PM

kbronsito: lockers: Yeah, but he isn't popular like snowden so he doesn't count.

Do hipsters know about this guy?


They were outraged before it was cool.
 
2013-11-06 03:45:09 PM
He "blew the whistle" to Congress? Reminds me of that episode of The Prisoner where #6 escaped the island and then proceeded to report his experience to his old boss back in London.
 
2013-11-06 03:46:05 PM

Wendy's Chili: That was 2007

There's yer problem. Undermining the federal government didn't become cool until Fartbongo took office.


That's a bingo.
 
2013-11-06 03:46:14 PM
Wendy's Chili


That was 2007

There's yer problem. Undermining the federal government didn't become cool until Fartbongo took office.


So hipsters are Republican?
 
2013-11-06 03:46:27 PM
Thought it was gonna be this guy.
 
2013-11-06 03:46:32 PM
It may be time to stop the comb-over, dude.
 
2013-11-06 03:47:32 PM
Does anyone here think that this guy just thinks that his headline was funnier? Because in my experience, these guys with their whining about how they can't get a greenlight are some of the most Godawful headline writers ever.

And just for the record, Snowden sucked at headlines too.
 
2013-11-06 03:52:49 PM
Why the f*ck didn't anybody care when he tried to blow the whistle?

"That was 2007 when the FBI raided me...

Oh, a white Republican was President, that's why nobody cared.
 
2013-11-06 03:53:09 PM

JohnAnnArbor: dittybopper: The problem was that it was just his word, and no real documentation.  Snowden stole the documents that supported his story.

That was his goal.  He got the job with the specific purpose of stealing this stuff.


That's what he *SAYS*, but I don't necessarily think that's true.
 
2013-11-06 03:56:25 PM
He should have realized that nobody is gonna listen to you unless you've got a killer slide deck to go with it.

/spoken words
//ain't nobody got time for that
 
2013-11-06 03:57:58 PM

dennysgod: Why the f*ck didn't anybody care when he tried to blow the whistle?

"That was 2007 when the FBI raided me...

Oh, a white Republican was President, that's why nobody cared.


You know, when you make every single issue about the president's race, you cheapen his actual accomplishments.
 
2013-11-06 03:59:57 PM
Well, if you don't pay your 5 dollars a month for TotalNSA...
 
2013-11-06 03:59:59 PM

lockers: kbronsito: lockers: Yeah, but he isn't popular like snowden so he doesn't count.

Do hipsters know about this guy?

They were outraged before it was cool.


l.wigflip.com
 
2013-11-06 04:03:27 PM

fruitloop: Wendy's Chili: That was 2007

There's yer problem. Undermining the federal government didn't become cool until Fartbongo took office.

That's a bingo.


Bango?

nimg.sulekha.com
 
2013-11-06 04:04:25 PM

uncleacid: It may be time to stop the comb-over, dude.


What's he hiding?
 
2013-11-06 04:05:06 PM

kindms: There have been many before Snowden. They went through the official channels to report what they saw, They then kept going up the chain to report the abuse. They were then destroyed by the very agencies they were working for. This is why Snowden skipped town. He saw what the Gov. did to those prior who tried to raise the alarm and inform citizens what its government was really doing.


That's a shallow excuse.  The person in the article didn't pursue indefinitely through official channels.  He's got an axe to grind because he was investigate for leaking outside of the official channels.
 
2013-11-06 04:13:02 PM
He should have submitted a link to a featured partner.
 
2013-11-06 04:14:42 PM

blatz514: fruitloop: Wendy's Chili: That was 2007

There's yer problem. Undermining the federal government didn't become cool until Fartbongo took office.

That's a bingo.

Bango?

[nimg.sulekha.com image 800x573]


www.sitcomsonline.com

Bingo, Bango, Bongo, and Irving.
 
2013-11-06 04:19:10 PM

dittybopper: JohnAnnArbor: dittybopper: The problem was that it was just his word, and no real documentation.  Snowden stole the documents that supported his story.

That was his goal.  He got the job with the specific purpose of stealing this stuff.

That's what he *SAYS*, but I don't necessarily think that's true.


The people responsible for short-circuiting the vetting process for this guy and others (not actually doing the checks) should be executed.
 
2013-11-06 04:23:47 PM
What the hell is wrong with this guy?  "But what about ME?!?!?! I want to go to a secret prison too!"
 
2013-11-06 04:24:06 PM

dennysgod: Why the f*ck didn't anybody care when he tried to blow the whistle?

"That was 2007 when the FBI raided me...

Oh, a white Republican was President, that's why nobody cared.


yessss... cause now that the black guy is here, we are all about transparency and accountability.

/please double down on your stupid
 
2013-11-06 04:27:24 PM
Treason against the government is never justified unless it is so complete that it becomes the new authority and provides new governance.
 
2013-11-06 04:40:22 PM

MaliFinn: Treason against the government is never justified unless it is so complete that it becomes the new authority and provides new governance.


Is that just a fancy way of saying history is written by the victors?
 
2013-11-06 04:49:14 PM
The difference between a whistleblower and a conspiracy nut is?
 
2013-11-06 04:56:08 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: kindms: There have been many before Snowden. They went through the official channels to report what they saw, They then kept going up the chain to report the abuse. They were then destroyed by the very agencies they were working for. This is why Snowden skipped town. He saw what the Gov. did to those prior who tried to raise the alarm and inform citizens what its government was really doing.

That's a shallow excuse.  The person in the article didn't pursue indefinitely through official channels.  He's got an axe to grind because he was investigate for leaking outside of the official channels.


John Kiriakou, Thomas Drake, William Binney all did the official chain and all paid for it with their jobs and harassment. So you can say it is shallow but from where he was sitting and the actions taken against those men and many many other whistleblowers it was clear as day.

The NSA and government types are still trying to double speak their way out of these revelations. The folks supposedly overseeing this mess are trying to enter bills now to make what the NSA is and was doing legal. What do you really think is going to happen when the folks in charge of oversight are in bed with (literally Diane Feinsteins husband) the same three letter agencies they are supposed to have under reigns.

What makes me laugh is John Kerry former vietnam mega protestor on the evils of US government going around the world apologizing for the US spying on allies and saying they need to strike a balance etc etc. I wonder what 20 - 30 year old Kerry would say to his current self after learning the country he went to war for was spying on every citizen in the US.
 
2013-11-06 04:59:07 PM
i.imgur.com

I been telling you.
 
2013-11-06 05:32:10 PM

dittybopper: dennysgod: Why the f*ck didn't anybody care when he tried to blow the whistle?

"That was 2007 when the FBI raided me...

Oh, a white Republican was President, that's why nobody cared.

You know, when you make every single issue about the president's race, you cheapen his actual accomplishments.


What a loss.
 
2013-11-06 06:10:05 PM
Treason for revealing what most of the world already knew ?
 The faux outrage from most Foreign Ministers has already blown over.
It's just another non event on a slow news day for most people outside the USA.
 
2013-11-06 06:27:55 PM
*This* is why it's ludicrous for you to suggest that Snowden should have come to the House/Senate Intelligence Committees, Senator Feinstein.
 
2013-11-06 06:51:20 PM

serial_crusher: MaliFinn: Treason against the government is never justified unless it is so complete that it becomes the new authority and provides new governance.

Is that just a fancy way of saying history is written by the victors?


Yes, or might makes right.
 
2013-11-06 07:14:16 PM

neversubmit: The difference between a whistleblower and a conspiracy nut is?


Proof.
 
2013-11-06 11:01:52 PM

Wendy's Chili: That was 2007

There's yer problem. Undermining the federal government didn't become cool until Fartbongo took office.


Fartbongos have been cool for a LONG time! I remember playing them on my little brothers head when we were kids.

/that one time after eating prunes for the first time was a bit awkward
 
2013-11-07 01:35:10 AM

kindms: DeathByGeekSquad: kindms: There have been many before Snowden. They went through the official channels to report what they saw, They then kept going up the chain to report the abuse. They were then destroyed by the very agencies they were working for. This is why Snowden skipped town. He saw what the Gov. did to those prior who tried to raise the alarm and inform citizens what its government was really doing.

That's a shallow excuse.  The person in the article didn't pursue indefinitely through official channels.  He's got an axe to grind because he was investigate for leaking outside of the official channels.

John Kiriakou, Thomas Drake, William Binney all did the official chain and all paid for it with their jobs and harassment. So you can say it is shallow but from where he was sitting and the actions taken against those men and many many other whistleblowers it was clear as day.

The NSA and government types are still trying to double speak their way out of these revelations. The folks supposedly overseeing this mess are trying to enter bills now to make what the NSA is and was doing legal. What do you really think is going to happen when the folks in charge of oversight are in bed with (literally Diane Feinsteins husband) the same three letter agencies they are supposed to have under reigns.

What makes me laugh is John Kerry former vietnam mega protestor on the evils of US government going around the world apologizing for the US spying on allies and saying they need to strike a balance etc etc. I wonder what 20 - 30 year old Kerry would say to his current self after learning the country he went to war for was spying on every citizen in the US.


Binney resigned...
 
2013-11-07 03:46:44 AM

serial_crusher: MaliFinn: Treason against the government is never justified unless it is so complete that it becomes the new authority and provides new governance.

Is that just a fancy way of saying history is written by the victors?


Toranaga: "There are no 'mitigating circumstances' when it comes to rebellion against a liege lord."
Blackthorne:  "Unless you win."
 
2013-11-07 08:39:30 AM

Thunderbox: Treason for revealing what most of the world already knew ?
 The faux outrage from most Foreign Ministers has already blown over.
It's just another non event on a slow news day for most people outside the USA.


No, it's "treason" for revealing that the US government has a massive surveillance program targeted at US citizens, and that it's essentially setting up a domestic monitoring infrastructure that would have made Big Brother in 1984 cream in his jeans:  They didn't have the ability to track the position of nearly every person in real time in the book 1984.  They can do that now, and you're helping them do that by carrying your cellphone with you everywhere you go.
 
2013-11-07 10:02:24 AM

JohnAnnArbor: dittybopper: The problem was that it was just his word, and no real documentation.  Snowden stole the documents that supported his story.

That was his goal.  He got the job with the specific purpose of stealing this stuff.


Or at least that is how the story goes in your mind.
 
2013-11-07 05:50:20 PM

dittybopper: The problem was that it was just his word, and no real documentation.  Snowden stole the documents that supported his story.


This. People have been talking about the NSA spying on telephone communications since the 80's. But because they had no hard evidence that it was going on, and people didn't think the technology to do something that massive even existed, they were dismissed as nuts. If Snowden didn't have the documentation to back up his claims, he would have been dismissed as a nut also and people would have said that it was technically impossible to do what he was claiming.
 
2013-11-07 07:17:31 PM

ongbok: dittybopper: The problem was that it was just his word, and no real documentation.  Snowden stole the documents that supported his story.

This. People have been talking about the NSA spying on telephone communications since the 80's. But because they had no hard evidence that it was going on, and people didn't think the technology to do something that massive even existed, they were dismissed as nuts. If Snowden didn't have the documentation to back up his claims, he would have been dismissed as a nut also and people would have said that it was technically impossible to do what he was claiming.


Even I had kind of dismissed it, and  I used to do communications interception.  Oh, I knew it was technically possible, I just didn't think that the infrastructure was installed and running.
 
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