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2013-11-06 02:56:08 PM
Maricopa County prosecutor, of course.
And it sounds like the Arizona Supreme Court might be frowning on their shenanigans, for once.
 
2013-11-06 02:58:25 PM
Maricopa County.
 
2013-11-06 03:04:26 PM
They are trying to do that in Oklahoma, iirc.
 
2013-11-06 03:29:43 PM
This was something that popped up in a discussion regarding legalization (of which I am a proponent). Since THC tends to linger in the body longer than most substances, how can people and businesses be shielded in the event of a loss of life and or property ie a vehicular accident or industrial accident. Even if it has been a day or two since the person lit up, they are going to register a positive test while not necessarily being under the influence.

Kind of a sweet sticky  situation. Anyone have a good answer?
 
2013-11-06 03:34:29 PM
Considering some in Arizona believe a woman can be pregnant two weeks before she had sex this isn't surprising. Arizona might just be one of the derpiest states in the nation. Nuke it.
 
2013-11-06 03:35:23 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Maricopa County prosecutor, of course.


Since SB1070 was a flop, sheriff Joe, Jan Brewer and all the other crazed Arizona authoritarians need more bodies for their jail$.
 
2013-11-06 03:35:56 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: This was something that popped up in a discussion regarding legalization (of which I am a proponent). Since THC tends to linger in the body longer than most substances, how can people and businesses be shielded in the event of a loss of life and or property ie a vehicular accident or industrial accident. Even if it has been a day or two since the person lit up, they are going to register a positive test while not necessarily being under the influence.

Kind of a sweet sticky  situation. Anyone have a good answer?


False. THC does not "linger in the body longer than most substances". You'll be hard pressed to find a trace of THC in a body after a day or two; what you will find are the metabolites left over from the body breaking down the cannibinoids. LEOs can do what my company does: swab tests.
 
2013-11-06 03:37:40 PM
FuzedBox:

False. THC does not "linger in the body longer than most substances". You'll be hard pressed to find a trace of THC in a body after a day or two; what you will find are the metabolites left over from the body breaking down the cannibinoids. LEOs can do what my company does: swab tests.

You haven't seen how much I can smoke.
 
2013-11-06 03:37:51 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: This was something that popped up in a discussion regarding legalization (of which I am a proponent). Since THC tends to linger in the body longer than most substances, how can people and businesses be shielded in the event of a loss of life and or property ie a vehicular accident or industrial accident. Even if it has been a day or two since the person lit up, they are going to register a positive test while not necessarily being under the influence.

Kind of a sweet sticky  situation. Anyone have a good answer?


It's a crappy situation. Blood testing can show how much THC is present in the system, but no standards have been set to say whether or not someone is "under the influence."

http://www.mpp.org/reports/marijuana-and-dui-laws-how.html
 
2013-11-06 03:38:02 PM
If only Sheriff Joe would go after violent offenders with the zeal he unleashes on harmless pot smokers.
 
2013-11-06 03:38:42 PM
I've come prepared.

teenthropologist.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-06 03:39:20 PM

bwilson27: FuzedBox:

False. THC does not "linger in the body longer than most substances". You'll be hard pressed to find a trace of THC in a body after a day or two; what you will find are the metabolites left over from the body breaking down the cannibinoids. LEOs can do what my company does: swab tests.

You haven't seen how much I can smoke.


What does that have to do with anything? Sure, you'd fail a piss test for a month after you stop. Not so with a swab. Those test specifically for the active chemicals; just don't get high on the job.
 
2013-11-06 03:39:34 PM
It's almost as if there is big money in prosecuting DUIs. I mean what other rationale can the prosecutor have when somebody may have smoked up 2 weeks before they drove?
 
2013-11-06 03:39:39 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: This was something that popped up in a discussion regarding legalization (of which I am a proponent). Since THC tends to linger in the body longer than most substances, how can people and businesses be shielded in the event of a loss of life and or property ie a vehicular accident or industrial accident. Even if it has been a day or two since the person lit up, they are going to register a positive test while not necessarily being under the influence.

Kind of a sweet sticky  situation. Anyone have a good answer?


we need better tests. this breath test looks promising
 
2013-11-06 03:40:11 PM

FuzedBox: bwilson27: FuzedBox:

False. THC does not "linger in the body longer than most substances". You'll be hard pressed to find a trace of THC in a body after a day or two; what you will find are the metabolites left over from the body breaking down the cannibinoids. LEOs can do what my company does: swab tests.

You haven't seen how much I can smoke.

What does that have to do with anything? Sure, you'd fail a piss test for a month after you stop. Not so with a swab. Those test specifically for the active chemicals; just don't get high on the job.


Chill out, Bro.
 
2013-11-06 03:40:33 PM
All I want to know:

Is Steve Segal somehow involved?
 
2013-11-06 03:40:41 PM

FuzedBox: Dancin_In_Anson: This was something that popped up in a discussion regarding legalization (of which I am a proponent). Since THC tends to linger in the body longer than most substances, how can people and businesses be shielded in the event of a loss of life and or property ie a vehicular accident or industrial accident. Even if it has been a day or two since the person lit up, they are going to register a positive test while not necessarily being under the influence.

Kind of a sweet sticky  situation. Anyone have a good answer?

False. THC does not "linger in the body longer than most substances". You'll be hard pressed to find a trace of THC in a body after a day or two; what you will find are the metabolites left over from the body breaking down the cannibinoids. LEOs can do what my company does: swab tests.


Even a day or two is too long. The high normally lasts a few hours at most. I don't think the danger is that great though. Most of the time when someone is that baked the last thing they want to do is get up and drive somewhere.
 
2013-11-06 03:41:12 PM

bwilson27: FuzedBox: bwilson27: FuzedBox:

False. THC does not "linger in the body longer than most substances". You'll be hard pressed to find a trace of THC in a body after a day or two; what you will find are the metabolites left over from the body breaking down the cannibinoids. LEOs can do what my company does: swab tests.

You haven't seen how much I can smoke.

What does that have to do with anything? Sure, you'd fail a piss test for a month after you stop. Not so with a swab. Those test specifically for the active chemicals; just don't get high on the job.

Chill out, Bro.


You're smoking too much if you think you've got me riled up.
 
2013-11-06 03:41:55 PM

FuzedBox: False. THC does not "linger in the body longer than most substances". You'll be hard pressed to find a trace of THC in a body after a day or two; what you will find are the metabolites left over from the body breaking down the cannibinoids. LEOs can do what my company does: swab tests


Cool. Thanks for the clarification.

jjwars1: It's a crappy situation. Blood testing can show how much THC is present in the system, but no standards have been set to say whether or not someone is "under the influence."

http://www.mpp.org/reports/marijuana-and-dui-laws-how.html


Since metabolites only indicate usage and THC (possibly) indicates impairment, I would think that unless there is a positive THC result, there is no impairment.
 
2013-11-06 03:42:03 PM
Funny.  We were just talking about something similar at work today.
 
2013-11-06 03:42:51 PM

Hobodeluxe: we need better tests


Without a doubt.
 
2013-11-06 03:43:33 PM

FuzedBox: bwilson27: FuzedBox: bwilson27: FuzedBox:

False. THC does not "linger in the body longer than most substances". You'll be hard pressed to find a trace of THC in a body after a day or two; what you will find are the metabolites left over from the body breaking down the cannibinoids. LEOs can do what my company does: swab tests.

You haven't seen how much I can smoke.

What does that have to do with anything? Sure, you'd fail a piss test for a month after you stop. Not so with a swab. Those test specifically for the active chemicals; just don't get high on the job.

Chill out, Bro.

You're smoking too much if you think you've got me riled up.


Now you got it ;)
 
2013-11-06 03:44:07 PM
well a single puff of dope can give you permanent reefer madness so they should lose their licenses permanently and be sent to brutal prison camps where they have to break rocks for life
 
2013-11-06 03:44:20 PM
Oh sweet the marginalization of pot smokers continues!

Wonder when having imbibed any type of non federally approved substance will bar you from any gainful employment permanently.
 
2013-11-06 03:44:30 PM

Pangit: All I want to know:

Is Steve Segal somehow involved?


He was getting high in the tank.
 
2013-11-06 03:45:32 PM

bwilson27: FuzedBox:

False. THC does not "linger in the body longer than most substances". You'll be hard pressed to find a trace of THC in a body after a day or two; what you will find are the metabolites left over from the body breaking down the cannibinoids. LEOs can do what my company does: swab tests.

You haven't seen how much I can smoke.


*snert*
 
2013-11-06 03:46:13 PM

bwilson27: Pangit: All I want to know:

Is Steve Segal somehow involved?

He was getting high in the tank.


Definitely
i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-11-06 03:47:06 PM
My anecdotal experience is that people get high while driving all the time here in Seattle.
 
2013-11-06 03:47:12 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: This was something that popped up in a discussion regarding legalization (of which I am a proponent). Since THC tends to linger in the body longer than most substances, how can people and businesses be shielded in the event of a loss of life and or property ie a vehicular accident or industrial accident. Even if it has been a day or two since the person lit up, they are going to register a positive test while not necessarily being under the influence.

Kind of a sweet sticky  situation. Anyone have a good answer?


Jury Nullification

Don't run away from jury duty and if you get on a case where you disagree with the law or how it's being applied - use  your right of Jury Nullification.  Vote Not Guilty:   http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/zenger/nullification.h tm l
 
2013-11-06 03:47:30 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: This was something that popped up in a discussion regarding legalization (of which I am a proponent). Since THC tends to linger in the body longer than most substances, how can people and businesses be shielded in the event of a loss of life and or property ie a vehicular accident or industrial accident. Even if it has been a day or two since the person lit up, they are going to register a positive test while not necessarily being under the influence.

Kind of a sweet sticky  situation. Anyone have a good answer?


Businesses can dictate their own drug policies. Legal weed does not mean employers have to allow employees to indulge.

Traffic situations would seem a bit more complicated, I have heard of roadside tests that are being developed that may help
 
2013-11-06 03:48:57 PM
s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-11-06 03:49:41 PM
get of of Arizona....

"This is not a dream... not a dream. We are using your brain's electrical system as a receiver. We are unable to transmit through conscious neural interference. You are receiving this broadcast as a dream. We are transmitting from the year two, zero, one, nine. You are receiving this broadcast in order to alter the events you are seeing. Our technology has not developed a transmitter strong enough to reach your conscious state of awareness, but this is not a dream. You are seeing what is actually occurring for the purpose of causality violation."

d38zt8ehae1tnt.cloudfront.net
 
2013-11-06 03:52:50 PM
In other words, they're just trying to work in as much private prison referral revenue and asset forfeiture as possible before it's legal.
 
2013-11-06 03:52:58 PM

sesame: Jury Nullification


Yeah, don't know what I think about that.

TrainingWheelsNeeded: usinesses can dictate their own drug policies. Legal weed does not mean employers have to allow employees to indulge


Absolutely agree. But let's say you get in a wreck and you test positive for the metabolites even though it's been a week since you burned...You know that there will be some ball washing bastard tht will do everything in his or her power to show a judge and jury that you were trippin' balls.
 
2013-11-06 03:53:33 PM

Moodybastard: get of of Arizona....

"This is not a dream... not a dream. We are using your brain's electrical system as a receiver. We are unable to transmit through conscious neural interference. You are receiving this broadcast as a dream. We are transmitting from the year two, zero, one, nine. You are receiving this broadcast in order to alter the events you are seeing. Our technology has not developed a transmitter strong enough to reach your conscious state of awareness, but this is not a dream. You are seeing what is actually occurring for the purpose of causality violation."

[d38zt8ehae1tnt.cloudfront.net image 320x240]


oh damn you so much.  I don't know quite what it is, but that ending gives me chills every time I see it.

/In short
//youwillnotbesaved
 
2013-11-06 03:54:57 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: This was something that popped up in a discussion regarding legalization (of which I am a proponent). Since THC tends to linger in the body longer than most substances, how can people and businesses be shielded in the event of a loss of life and or property ie a vehicular accident or industrial accident. Even if it has been a day or two since the person lit up, they are going to register a positive test while not necessarily being under the influence.

Kind of a sweet sticky  situation. Anyone have a good answer?


Washington's pot laws addressed this directly.   It prohibits the use of THC metabolites (the stuff that stays in your system) as a measure of intoxication, and specifies active "delta-9" THC, which is the bit that gets you high.
 
2013-11-06 03:55:28 PM

fireclown: Moodybastard: get of of Arizona....

"This is not a dream... not a dream. We are using your brain's electrical system as a receiver. We are unable to transmit through conscious neural interference. You are receiving this broadcast as a dream. We are transmitting from the year two, zero, one, nine. You are receiving this broadcast in order to alter the events you are seeing. Our technology has not developed a transmitter strong enough to reach your conscious state of awareness, but this is not a dream. You are seeing what is actually occurring for the purpose of causality violation."

[d38zt8ehae1tnt.cloudfront.net image 320x240]

oh damn you so much.  I don't know quite what it is, but that ending gives me chills every time I see it.

/In short
//youwillnotbesaved


prince of darkness?
 
2013-11-06 03:56:13 PM

rudemix: Considering some in Arizona believe a woman can be pregnant two weeks before she had sex this isn't surprising. Arizona might just be one of the derpiest states in the nation. Nuke it.


Huh?
 
2013-11-06 03:56:52 PM

Moodybastard: get of of Arizona....

"This is not a dream... not a dream. We are using your brain's electrical system as a receiver. We are unable to transmit through conscious neural interference. You are receiving this broadcast as a dream. We are transmitting from the year two, zero, one, nine. You are receiving this broadcast in order to alter the events you are seeing. Our technology has not developed a transmitter strong enough to reach your conscious state of awareness, but this is not a dream. You are seeing what is actually occurring for the purpose of causality violation."


What the hell does that shiatty movie have to do with this?

/was hoping it was better...
//liked the concept...
 
2013-11-06 03:58:36 PM
Luder-cris.
 
2013-11-06 03:59:46 PM

megarian: You haven't seen how much I can smoke.


I can name that weed in three tokes.
 
2013-11-06 04:02:26 PM
That's some good shiat!
 
2013-11-06 04:03:24 PM
'Maricopa County prosecutor'
anagrams to
'Cup atrocious contemporary.'
 
2013-11-06 04:05:00 PM

vudukungfu: megarian: You haven't seen how much I can smoke.

I can name that weed in three tokes.


Mostly Maui Waui man, but it's got some Labrador in it.
 
2013-11-06 04:18:24 PM
They also don't follow daylight savings time rules.
 
2013-11-06 04:19:29 PM
Just because you're not driving under the influence doesn't mean you shouldn't be charged with driving under the influence.  I don't give a damn how stoned you aren't.  Or even if you're driving at all.

Think of the lives that will be saved.  And the....whole....y'know....money thing.
 
2013-11-06 04:28:41 PM
I got my two DUI's over 25 years ago, and thankfully wisened up. But my recollection is that having a driver's license comes with implied consent to a breath test, and that you could decline the breath test and have a blood test at the station instead. But they could not force you to have a blood test.

Is my memory wrong, have the laws changed, or something else? Hopefully we haven't gotten to the point where a cop can do a swab test without your consent?
 
2013-11-06 04:28:47 PM

vudukungfu: megarian: You haven't seen how much I can smoke.

I can name that weed in three tokes.


O_o

It's on.
 
2013-11-06 04:32:59 PM

Duke Slater: I got my two DUI's over 25 years ago, and thankfully wisened up. But my recollection is that having a driver's license comes with implied consent to a breath test, and that you could decline the breath test and have a blood test at the station instead. But they could not force you to have a blood test.

Is my memory wrong, have the laws changed, or something else? Hopefully we haven't gotten to the point where a cop can do a swab test without your consent?


Depends entirely on the state or municipality in which you live. It varies greatly, and red/blue, dem/rep has no bearing on it.
 
2013-11-06 04:36:40 PM

sesame: Dancin_In_Anson: This was something that popped up in a discussion regarding legalization (of which I am a proponent). Since THC tends to linger in the body longer than most substances, how can people and businesses be shielded in the event of a loss of life and or property ie a vehicular accident or industrial accident. Even if it has been a day or two since the person lit up, they are going to register a positive test while not necessarily being under the influence.

Kind of a sweet sticky  situation. Anyone have a good answer?

Jury Nullification

Don't run away from jury duty and if you get on a case where you disagree with the law or how it's being applied - use  your right of Jury Nullification.  Vote Not Guilty:   http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/zenger/nullification.h tm l


Most DUI cases don't go to trial because the DUI laws are made to be very strictly black or white. So jury nullification wouldn't help.
 
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