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2013-11-06 05:34:35 PM

Wook: Funny you mention this. My sister's a total hipster SF type. Her and her husband just moved to Oakland along with many of their social circle. The primary reason had to do with schooling for kids. I guess SF's progressive system is just too chic for the chic.


It's a lottery system, from what I understand, so you can end up having to bus your kids halfway across town to a crappy school in a bad neighborhood.
 
2013-11-06 05:40:37 PM

BigNumber12: DreamSnipers: Zurich

Despite my sister's recommendation against, my wife and I really want to see Switzerland. Did you only see Zurich? General Switzerland thoughts? We came farking cloooose to being able to cross over to see some of it this last trip, but simply ran out of time.

Invincible Sky Lizard: My favorite on that list is Salzburg.  If any beer lovers go there, check out the Augustiner Bräu Kloster Mülln (since 1621!).  Good beer, great atmosphere, lots of fun.

Here's a link to their site:  http://www.augustinerbier.at/

You're one of my new favorite Farkers.

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I love, LOVE the Aug.

Couple shots of Salt town from last time I went
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(was fascinated by the station wagon's presence)
 
2013-11-06 05:49:38 PM

Invincible Sky Lizard: My favorite on that list is Salzburg.  If any beer lovers go there, check out the Augustiner Bräu Kloster Mülln (since 1621!).  Good beer, great atmosphere, lots of fun.

Here's a link to their site:  http://www.augustinerbier.at/


Agreed. It can be your bargaining chip when the old lady wants to go on the Sound of Music tour. Which sucks, but also as beer.

Salzburg is cool, but pretty small for more than a few days. Certainly recommended over bland Vienna.
 
2013-11-06 05:51:42 PM

Car_Ramrod: I have found people in Chicago endlessly more welcoming and friendly than those in SF


As have I.
 
2013-11-06 05:53:07 PM

BigNumber12: Mr_Fabulous: Prague

I was sad to see that Prague wasn't included, though that would have reeeeally concentrated that list in one relatively small area of the world. Moreso than it already was, anyway.


They went with Budapest, which is the dirtier, cheaper, still doesn't have their shait together 20 years later version of Prague. Crappier beer, better sausages. The ladies are a toss up.
 
2013-11-06 05:56:26 PM

Nidiot: StopLurkListen: SirEattonHogg: Oakland?  Was that supposed to be funny?  I don't get it.

Oakland fans (guilty) show up in these threads saying stuff like "It's the new Brooklyn" (OK I've never said that, but whatev)

Really? Must be a hipster thing, because I've never heard of it. Headline just seems to be a totally random falsehood.


http://sfist.com/2013/10/09/oakland_mayor_jean_quan_were_a_litt.php
http://rediscover.msn.com/city/32243562/feature/32262081
http://vegn ews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=5663&catId=4
http://www.mcguire.com/blog/2013/08/is-oakland-really-the-new-brookl yn /

Shrug. I don't really care, I don't know Brooklyn.

Although, interesting historical footnote/coincidence: Early maps did label parts of modern Oakland "Brooklyn."  Though it has nothing to do with why people are comparing the two now.

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2013-11-06 05:58:58 PM

BigNumber12: DreamSnipers: Zurich

Despite my sister's recommendation against, my wife and I really want to see Switzerland. Did you only see Zurich? General Switzerland thoughts? We came farking cloooose to being able to cross over to see some of it this last trip, but simply ran out of time.

Invincible Sky Lizard: My favorite on that list is Salzburg.  If any beer lovers go there, check out the Augustiner Bräu Kloster Mülln (since 1621!).  Good beer, great atmosphere, lots of fun.

Here's a link to their site:  http://www.augustinerbier.at/

You're one of my new favorite Farkers.

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I have been all over Switzerland. A really lovely country, friendly people and spotless. San Moritz is the prettiest small town I have ever seen. [Prettiest in the states is Ferndale, California].
The drawback I felt to Switzerland is a very tame feel to the country. Seemed like every mountain had a cable car running up.
Favorite beer countries are England and Czech Republic with an edge to the Czechs if nothing else for the vastly reduced price. Try Velvet there, in a stein, the bubbles put on a show in addition to the great taste.
 
2013-11-06 06:25:28 PM
Oakland? Yeah right. $10 says they just misspelled "Auckland".
 
2013-11-06 06:29:56 PM
Prague kicks the piss out of Paris.

Florence is amazing, and i loved living there. The only thing that would have made it better were less lazy/striking/douchebag Italians.

Budapest was nice, but it's harder to tell the locals for gypsies there, since they look alike.

Vienna was amazing. I love people who are orderly, clean, and hard working.

Siena is nice, but to get the same vibe with less tourists, find nearby towns like Montipulciano, Lucca, Montalcino, or Monteriggiorni.

Rome is just too busy and noisy, but its better in mid-winter.

Charleston was nice, too, but they just got rid of slavery there like a month ago, so be careful.
 
2013-11-06 06:30:55 PM

StopLurkListen: Nidiot: StopLurkListen: SirEattonHogg: Oakland?  Was that supposed to be funny?  I don't get it.

Oakland fans (guilty) show up in these threads saying stuff like "It's the new Brooklyn" (OK I've never said that, but whatev)

Really? Must be a hipster thing, because I've never heard of it. Headline just seems to be a totally random falsehood.

http://sfist.com/2013/10/09/oakland_mayor_jean_quan_were_a_litt.php
http://rediscover.msn.com/city/32243562/feature/32262081
http://vegn ews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=5663&catId=4
http://www.mcguire.com/blog/2013/08/is-oakland-really-the-new-brookl yn /

Shrug. I don't really care, I don't know Brooklyn.

Although, interesting historical footnote/coincidence: Early maps did label parts of modern Oakland "Brooklyn."  Though it has nothing to do with why people are comparing the two now.

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Ah, so it's not actually a Fark thing, it's something people who spend a lot of time reading about Oakland elsewhere online will have noticed. No wonder I missed it.

Headline is still a totally random falsehood. As Cagey B said, that may be  germane to this conversation had Oakland (or Brooklyn) actually appeared in submitter's linked article.
 
2013-11-06 06:32:01 PM

FLMountainMan: Charleston is in there, though.  I've only been there once, and all I remember of it was the submarine base.  Savannah, on the other hand.  Now.  THAT is a cool city if you only stay downtown and on the beaches and avoid the endemic poverty gripping the rest of the city, which looks like Port-au-Prince.


This.

When we stayed there this summer, the person who checked us in gave us a map and was telling us "here are some good antique places, and the riverfront, and here are the parks. But dont go here, here, or here. The lighting isnt that good there. Its very dark."
 
2013-11-06 07:26:06 PM

Car_Ramrod: It doesn't really matter to me where the stench/mess comes from. The fact that it exists is the problem, not the source. Chicago is the area's playground, and we seem to handle it just fine.


But to be fair, and I spend a lot of time in Chicago, that city is approximately 90 forevers wide by a million years long. SF's population density is roughly twice what Chicago's is, especially in and around the downtown area, where it's the highest in the country outside of some of Manhattan -- Chinatown is the most dense spot in the US, I think. And anything worth doing in SF is crammed into the same 2 square miles where all the bums are, aka, the only flat spots that aren't way out in nowheresville. So the garbage is maximized.

There are two SFs -- the real city that you get to know when you live here (you lived here, I think you said, so you know what I mean) and the fantasy version that tourists and bridge-and-tunnel people think SF is. It's like Powell Street -- I always tell everyone that's not San Francisco, that's a San Francisco-shaped theme park. Most of the city is, thankfully, bum excrement free.
 
2013-11-06 09:16:00 PM

Car_Ramrod: And I'll strongly agree with the filthy streets comment. Whenever I came back from visiting Chicago, I would look around SF and feel like the entire city needed to be power washed. I guess that's part of the "charm" of the city that the locals don't want to change, but it's gross.


I've got a theory with absolutely no evidence backing it up.

It's the fault of the rain.

In the Midwest, you get rain ALL THE TIME.  This does an OK job of cleaning up the streets just by itself.  You get to clean out the storm drains every once in a while, but it's not bad.  And then you get snow and the snowplows come through and clean off anything that didn't get dealt with by the rain.  And thus the only time that I ever saw a street sweeper growing up was when they had horses in the Memorial Day parade and a street sweeper following right behind (And we didn't have 'Please move your car every other Tuesday for street cleaning' so I don't think we had any at all under normal circumstances).

However, in SF, there is no rain (or not much anyways).  There is no snow.  So you have to clean off EVERYTHING.  ALL THE TIME.  BY HAND.  You can't just ignore the problem and watch it magically disappear like you're a small child dealing with dirty dishes.  And since SF likes the "charm" and has the previously mentioned Asian + no grass problem, they don't clean it up.

/And as also mentioned, now that the secret master plan to drive everyone who isn't in software out of the city is almost complete, we can begin creating our perfect libertarian society.  [/sarcasm]
//Seriously though, when the software engineers can't afford to rent in your city and you're going through the voters to do an end run around the normal process because the zoning process is that farked up, you have PROBLEMS.
 
2013-11-06 09:34:33 PM
Different cities appeal to different people.

I love where I live, and there are only a few places I could love as much, though most of those are not practical at the moment.

These world city lists tend to be very ethnocentric, too.  Even if they list "diverse" cities, they're still usually all Western.
 
2013-11-06 11:17:08 PM
I have been to six of these, but I lived in #1 for a year.
The shot is of the Parroquia church on the main square and it is a beautiful town, but not a city.
Oaxaca is a beautiful city, Vienna too, but there are a great many other ones around the world.
Ignore the lists, go discover.
 
2013-11-07 12:05:30 AM

DreamSnipers: I have been all over Switzerland. A really lovely country, friendly people and spotless. San Moritz is the prettiest small town I have ever seen. [Prettiest in the states is Ferndale, California].
The drawback I felt to Switzerland is a very tame feel to the country. Seemed like every mountain had a cable car running up.


Thanks! It's going to happen one way or another, we just want to have a good plan based on good recommendations.  My sister had been living in Austria for 2 years when we visited in 2012, so we had some great knowledge working for us in Germany-Austria-Hungary.

DreamSnipers: Favorite beer countries are England and Czech Republic with an edge to the Czechs if nothing else for the vastly reduced price. Try Velvet there, in a stein, the bubbles put on a show in addition to the great taste.


Crap, I wish I'd known that when we were in Prague...
 
2013-11-07 06:34:57 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Charleston SC is nice enough but belongs on that list about as much as Oakland would.

Siena is an odd Italian choice, too.

And apparently they think "the world" consists of North America and Europe. That is not entirely accurate.


Agreed. Capetown, SA might be a nice addition to this list.
 
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