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2013-11-06 02:35:36 PM  
Oakland's actually got a lot of cool stuff. That would, of course, be germane to this conversation had Oakland actually appeared in submitter's linked article.
 
2013-11-06 02:37:57 PM  
I lived in Salzburg for a time. It's like living in an actual fairy tale. It's indescribably beautiful.
 
2013-11-06 02:53:15 PM  
Quebec City deserves to be there.

Oui, une danse S.V.P. Avec vous deux.
 
2013-11-06 03:28:39 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Quebec City deserves to be there.

Oui, une danse S.V.P. Avec vous deux.


Yea, and their wonderful hockey team... oh wait.
 
2013-11-06 03:32:58 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Quebec City deserves to be there.


Oh yeah.  Quebec is awesome.
 
2013-11-06 03:34:09 PM  
Oakland gave us hyphy, what more do you want?
 
2013-11-06 03:35:20 PM  

Cagey B: Oakland's actually got a lot of cool stuff. That would, of course, be germane to this conversation had Oakland actually appeared in submitter's linked article.


Charleston is in there, though.  I've only been there once, and all I remember of it was the submarine base.  Savannah, on the other hand.  Now.  THAT is a cool city.
 
2013-11-06 03:42:28 PM  

ShawnDoc: Oakland gave us hyphy, what more do you want?


...and Bubb Rubb!

 img.fark.net
 
2013-11-06 03:50:53 PM  

haemaker: ShawnDoc: Oakland gave us hyphy, what more do you want?

...and Bubb Rubb!

 [img.fark.net image 324x244]



And Amber Lamps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h9zJtYyjKE
 
2013-11-06 04:13:20 PM  
Do we get a prize for spotting the daily greenlit headline that lies?
 
2013-11-06 04:13:51 PM  
Oakland is the Hartford of California.
 
2013-11-06 04:16:41 PM  
Wow, San Francisco is down to #3 in the U.S. rankings. That's kind of surprising. Charleston has been #1 for 3 years now, but before then, SF was #1 for 18 years straight. I was working in the SF tourism industry when that happened and people were pisssssed. There was a lot of talk about working to get back the #1 spot, so to see them drop down again is interesting.

Chicago #5... I'll take it, even though we were #3 last year.
 
2013-11-06 04:18:26 PM  
Anyway someone can link to a site that isn't broken?
 
2013-11-06 04:20:55 PM  
 
2013-11-06 04:22:24 PM  
Oakland?  Was that supposed to be funny?  I don't get it.
 
2013-11-06 04:22:29 PM  
Florence, followed by Paris.
 
2013-11-06 04:22:32 PM  
We've done Vienna, Salzburg, Budapest. With the 3 in Italy, we could put a pretty decent dent in that list.
 
2013-11-06 04:22:36 PM  
Charleston, SC may have its charms, but in the same conversation as Rome, Florence, Vienna, Budapest? I think not.
 
2013-11-06 04:23:45 PM  
When I travel, I generally prefer staying non-urban areas or smaller cities.

But among the major cities I've spent time in, here are the 10 I've enjoyed the most (in no particular area)...
Paris
Venice
Florence
Prague
London
Chicago
Bangkok
Kyoto
Istanbul
Melbourne

Note: Hong Kong & Macau are coming up very soon, so this list may change.
 
2013-11-06 04:25:01 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: (in no particular area)


order, that is
 
2013-11-06 04:25:26 PM  
Literally the land of oaks.
 
2013-11-06 04:26:37 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Wow, San Francisco is down to #3 in the U.S. rankings. That's kind of surprising. Charleston has been #1 for 3 years now, but before then, SF was #1 for 18 years straight. I was working in the SF tourism industry when that happened and people were pisssssed. There was a lot of talk about working to get back the #1 spot, so to see them drop down again is interesting.


San Francisco needs to clean up its filthy streets and get the homeless away from areas like Union Square, Civic Center, and the Financial District. Until them, it's likely to continue being out-charmed by places like Charleston.
 
2013-11-06 04:27:35 PM  
Charleston SC is nice enough but belongs on that list about as much as Oakland would.

Siena is an odd Italian choice, too.

And apparently they think "the world" consists of North America and Europe. That is not entirely accurate.
 
2013-11-06 04:28:43 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: Prague


I was sad to see that Prague wasn't included, though that would have reeeeally concentrated that list in one relatively small area of the world. Moreso than it already was, anyway.
 
2013-11-06 04:30:09 PM  

BigNumber12: We've done Vienna, Salzburg, Budapest. With the 3 in Italy, we could put a pretty decent dent in that list.


How did you like Salzburg and Vienna? They're on our maybe list for the next big trip.
 
2013-11-06 04:33:36 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Oakland?  Was that supposed to be funny?  I don't get it.


Oakland fans (guilty) show up in these threads saying stuff like "It's the new Brooklyn" (OK I've never said that, but whatev)
 
2013-11-06 04:34:12 PM  

BigNumber12: Car_Ramrod: Wow, San Francisco is down to #3 in the U.S. rankings. That's kind of surprising. Charleston has been #1 for 3 years now, but before then, SF was #1 for 18 years straight. I was working in the SF tourism industry when that happened and people were pisssssed. There was a lot of talk about working to get back the #1 spot, so to see them drop down again is interesting.

San Francisco needs to clean up its filthy streets and get the homeless away from areas like Union Square, Civic Center, and the Financial District. Until them, it's likely to continue being out-charmed by places like Charleston.


Yea, the number 1 reason given for them dropping was the homeless/panhandling crowd. One thing I never liked about San Francisco is that, for supposedly being this great liberal mecca, they prefer to just sweep the homeless under the rug than really help them. Granted Chicago does the same thing to some extent, but at least (for better or worse) we keep them away from where the tourists are.

And I'll strongly agree with the filthy streets comment. Whenever I came back from visiting Chicago, I would look around SF and feel like the entire city needed to be power washed. I guess that's part of the "charm" of the city that the locals don't want to change, but it's gross.
 
2013-11-06 04:37:30 PM  
Car_Ramrod:

And I'll strongly agree with the filthy streets comment. Whenever I came back from visiting Chicago, I would look around SF and feel like the entire city needed to be power washed. I guess that's part of the "charm" of the city that the locals don't want to change, but it's gross.

I love Chicago.  It's like New York if you took all the assholes, filthy streets, and inferior pizza out of it.
 
2013-11-06 04:45:19 PM  

xanadian: Cagey B: Oakland's actually got a lot of cool stuff. That would, of course, be germane to this conversation had Oakland actually appeared in submitter's linked article.

Charleston is in there, though.  I've only been there once, and all I remember of it was the submarine base.  Savannah, on the other hand.  Now.  THAT is a cool city if you only stay downtown and on the beaches and avoid the endemic poverty gripping the rest of the city, which looks like Port-au-Prince.


FTFM.  On the other hand, I love that downtown is a no-open container laws zone.  It's great asking for a gin and tonic to go.
 
2013-11-06 04:49:24 PM  

ChubbyTiger: BigNumber12: We've done Vienna, Salzburg, Budapest. With the 3 in Italy, we could put a pretty decent dent in that list.

How did you like Salzburg and Vienna? They're on our maybe list for the next big trip.



Spent a few days in Vienna in the summer.  It was expensive and not a lot of fun.  Full of the fat-loud-american-tourists-who-are-actually-european.  It was pretty obnoxious.

If you're really into museums, it's supposed to be nice.

On the pedestrian side, we walked from one end of the place to the other and found it lacking.  The most interesting part of town was the SW quarter where there were a lot of up and coming shops, cool small stores, and cafes.  There's an aquarium built vertically into one of the old WW2 air defense towers they don't tear down (too big)

/can't speak to Salzburg
 
2013-11-06 04:49:58 PM  

Rent Party: Car_Ramrod:

And I'll strongly agree with the filthy streets comment. Whenever I came back from visiting Chicago, I would look around SF and feel like the entire city needed to be power washed. I guess that's part of the "charm" of the city that the locals don't want to change, but it's gross.

I love Chicago.  It's like New York if you took all the assholes, filthy streets, and inferior pizza out of it.


Well it helps that Chicago has a ton of alleys to keep all the garbage off the sidewalks, something that SF and NYC do not have the benefit of (granted they're the 2 densest cities, so it makes sense, but still).
 
2013-11-06 04:54:21 PM  
I've yet to visit Charleston, but I have absolutely no doubt I could relocate there tomorrow and be perfectly happy.  Seems to be right in my wheelhouse.
 
2013-11-06 04:56:00 PM  

Car_Ramrod: One thing I never liked about San Francisco is that, for supposedly being this great liberal mecca, they prefer to just sweep the homeless under the rug than really help them


When you think of a reliable method to force people off the streets we'd love to hear it. There's ton of help available to the homeless in SF, more than any other US city, but you can't force people. And it's a sad truth that many of SF's homeless aren't looking for help.

Car_Ramrod: Whenever I came back from visiting Chicago, I would look around SF and feel like the entire city needed to be power washed. I guess that's part of the "charm" of the city that the locals don't want to change, but it's gross.


I live in downtown SF, and everything about Chicago turns me off: the shiatty weather, the rude residents (like you said, it's New York Jr., and there must be a municipal ordinance that every driver test their horn's functionality every 30 seconds), everything being so goddamn far from everything else, etc.

But SF's biggest secret: most of the mess and stench isn't from the homeless. Sure, some of it is, but unless you're on mid-Market or 6th st., that urine you're smelling is from some apartment dweller's dog, and that pile of trash in the street is from a Chinese recycling scavenger or a drunk East Bayer that came to SF to party the night before. So long as SF is the area's playground, and so long as people refuse to accept that you shouldn't have a dog in a place with no grass, we have those problems.
 
2013-11-06 04:58:51 PM  
Here's the list from TFA

Top 10 cities in the world
Condé Nast Traveler gives their Readers' Choice Awards

10. Quebec
9. Siena
8. Rome
7. Vienna
6. San Sebastian, Spain
5. Charleston
4. Salzburg
3. Budapest
2. Florence
1. San Miguuel De Allende, Mexico
 
2013-11-06 05:01:12 PM  
Well Oakland does have Kreayshawn, so there's always that.
 
2013-11-06 05:01:54 PM  

BigNumber12: Mr_Fabulous: Prague

I was sad to see that Prague wasn't included, though that would have reeeeally concentrated that list in one relatively small area of the world. Moreso than it already was, anyway.


I love Prague.
I would include Vancouver, Stockholm, San Francisco, London, Auckland (Kiwis are wonderfully friendly), Zurich, and Seattle.
 
2013-11-06 05:02:08 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: bably beautiful.

I agree. I was there for a time and just enamored with every part of it. I would go back again in a heartbeat.

 
2013-11-06 05:03:44 PM  
Oakland is kind if cool and apparently all the creative Frisco types are starting to move there and gentrify the area. In that sense it is like a new Brooklyn. BTW, SF is now a land of tech millionaires and the homeless, talk about wealth disparity.
 
2013-11-06 05:06:50 PM  

Scrotastic Method: But SF's biggest secret: most of the mess and stench isn't from the homeless.


Human waste shuts down BART escalators
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Human-waste-shuts-down-BART-es ca lators-3735981.php

That's right -- there's so much shiat (and human shiat, at that) in the BART (subway) escalators that it literally jammed them up.

/ nothing like seeing a drunken homeless dude peeing in the middle of a BART station in the middle of the day, making no attempt to even be subtle about it -- just whip it out and pee on the floor (16th & Mission or 24th & Mission that was -- I forget which)
 
2013-11-06 05:08:06 PM  

TheJoe03: Oakland is kind if cool and apparently all the creative Frisco types are starting to move there and gentrify the area. In that sense it is like a new Brooklyn. BTW, SF is now a land of tech millionaires and the homeless, talk about wealth disparity.


Like Washington D.C., the land of politicians who can change the country and the homeless that watch them walk by as they go out for coffee.
 
2013-11-06 05:10:26 PM  

TheJoe03: Oakland is kind if cool and apparently all the creative Frisco types are starting to move there and gentrify the area. In that sense it is like a new Brooklyn. BTW, SF is now a land of tech millionaires and the homeless, talk about wealth disparity.


Funny you mention this.  My sister's a total hipster SF type.  Her and her husband just moved to Oakland along with many of their social circle.  The primary reason had to do with schooling for kids.  I guess SF's progressive system is just too chic for the chic.
 
2013-11-06 05:13:20 PM  

ChubbyTiger: BigNumber12: We've done Vienna, Salzburg, Budapest. With the 3 in Italy, we could put a pretty decent dent in that list.

How did you like Salzburg and Vienna? They're on our maybe list for the next big trip.


Vienna is wonderful - genuinely one of my favorite big cities. We were there for just under 4 weeks (minus a few day trips), spread across two trips, and we still left with a good-sized list of things we didn't get to do. And we're hard travelers - walking and hitting sights every single day. Lots to see, loooots to eat and drink, very safe, and some of the best public transit in the world. The Viennese themselves are professional and usually polite, but not very warm or particularly friendly. As long as you're polite, try to transact as much as possible in German, and don't be a typical demanding/obnoxious tourist, and you shouldn't have any issues. The most irritating aspect of our time there was the obnoxiousness of the Airport as we were leaving.

We only had 1 day in Salzburg, but it was a very beautiful city. Again, lots and lots of history and architecture to see. The old town area was great for walking, but very crowded. Waiters here seemed impolite even by Austrian standards, I'm sure due to the constant deluge of tourists. The climb up to the castle is not to be missed - go as high up as you can. We didn't do anything Mozart or Sound-of-Music related - seemed too mainstream :-)

I recommend both places highly.
 
2013-11-06 05:19:08 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Yea, the number 1 reason given for them dropping was the homeless/panhandling crowd. One thing I never liked about San Francisco is that, for supposedly being this great liberal mecca, they prefer to just sweep the homeless under the rug than really help them. Granted Chicago does the same thing to some extent, but at least (for better or worse) we keep them away from where the tourists are.

And I'll strongly agree with the filthy streets comment. Whenever I came back from visiting Chicago, I would look around SF and feel like the entire city needed to be power washed. I guess that's part of the "charm" of the city that the locals don't want to change, but it's gross.


Absolutely. I'm a staunch defender of SF on most fronts, but the state of the streets embarrasses me. It's really disappointing, the extent to which an apparently significant number of people are content to treat the sidewalks and escalators as trashcans and toilets. It certainly doesn't help things that places like Nevada seem to have established practices of sending their mentally ill on 1-way trips to San Francisco.

I wonder what we'll see in the next decade or so, as the Old Guard ages and dies off, and is replaced by the moneyed tech crowd. I suspect that tolerance of non-contributors, detractors, and freeloaders is going to start to drop off.
 
2013-11-06 05:19:51 PM  
My favorite on that list is Salzburg.  If any beer lovers go there, check out the Augustiner Bräu Kloster Mülln (since 1621!).  Good beer, great atmosphere, lots of fun.

Here's a link to their site:  http://www.augustinerbier.at/
 
2013-11-06 05:23:15 PM  

Scrotastic Method: When you think of a reliable method to force people off the streets we'd love to hear it. There's ton of help available to the homeless in SF, more than any other US city, but you can't force people. And it's a sad truth that many of SF's homeless aren't looking for help.


Exactly right. Lord knows, SF has tried throwing money at the problem. Some people simply don't want the responsibilities associated with "modern life," and are quite happy when a city will subsidize that lifestyle for them. And that's just the ones with good mental health.
 
2013-11-06 05:28:37 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Car_Ramrod: One thing I never liked about San Francisco is that, for supposedly being this great liberal mecca, they prefer to just sweep the homeless under the rug than really help them

When you think of a reliable method to force people off the streets we'd love to hear it. There's ton of help available to the homeless in SF, more than any other US city, but you can't force people. And it's a sad truth that many of SF's homeless aren't looking for help.


There was some big international event happening in 2011, a week long event, and the homeless were being paid to leave the downtown/tourist areas to make the city look better. That's sweeping it under the rug. But I'll agree there are a ton of vagrants that come to SF because of it's reputation and are content to sleep in the parks and hang out in Upper Haight.

Car_Ramrod: Whenever I came back from visiting Chicago, I would look around SF and feel like the entire city needed to be power washed. I guess that's part of the "charm" of the city that the locals don't want to change, but it's gross.

I live in downtown SF, and everything about Chicago turns me off: the shiatty weather, the rude residents (like you said, it's New York Jr., and there must be a municipal ordinance that every driver test their horn's functionality every 30 seconds), everything being so goddamn far from everything else, etc.


I never said it's New York Jr. I have found people in Chicago endlessly more welcoming and friendly than those in SF (people from neither place have confirmed this. SF has a bit of elitism to it, and Chicago has our midwestern charm). Someone from SF complaining about drivers is very ironic, as they seemed to have the worst drivers I've ever seen (and I've driven to DC, Canada, SF, LA, and back again). They have no drive (no pun intended) to them, and seem to switch lanes at whim. I'll give you that Chicago is pretty isolated geographically from anything else terribly cool (though Wisconsin, southwestern Michigan, and Starved Rock, while no Napa, Monterey, etc, are quite pretty).

But SF's biggest secret: most of the mess and stench isn't from the homeless. Sure, some of it is, but unless you're on mid-Market or 6th st., that urine you're smelling is from some apartment dweller's dog, and that pile of trash in the street is from a Chinese recycling scavenger or a drunk East Bayer that came to SF to party the night before. So long as SF is the area's playground, and so long as people refuse to accept that you shouldn't have a dog in a place with no grass, we have those problems.

It doesn't really matter to me where the stench/mess comes from. The fact that it exists is the problem, not the source. Chicago is the area's playground, and we seem to handle it just fine.
 
2013-11-06 05:32:24 PM  

DreamSnipers: Zurich


Despite my sister's recommendation against, my wife and I really want to see Switzerland. Did you only see Zurich? General Switzerland thoughts? We came farking cloooose to being able to cross over to see some of it this last trip, but simply ran out of time.

Invincible Sky Lizard: My favorite on that list is Salzburg.  If any beer lovers go there, check out the Augustiner Bräu Kloster Mülln (since 1621!).  Good beer, great atmosphere, lots of fun.

Here's a link to their site:  http://www.augustinerbier.at/


You're one of my new favorite Farkers.

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2013-11-06 05:32:41 PM  
jshine:
/ nothing like seeing a drunken homeless dude peeing in the middle of a BART station in the middle of the day, making no attempt to even be subtle about it -- just whip it out and pee on the floor (16th & Mission or 24th & Mission that was -- I forget which)

Or trying to use an ATM next to BART Civic Center Station and noticing that someone smeared feces all over it.

A big chunk of the downtown is basically one big piss pot.
 
2013-11-06 05:33:13 PM  

StopLurkListen: SirEattonHogg: Oakland?  Was that supposed to be funny?  I don't get it.

Oakland fans (guilty) show up in these threads saying stuff like "It's the new Brooklyn" (OK I've never said that, but whatev)


Really? Must be a hipster thing, because I've never heard of it. Headline just seems to be a totally random falsehood.
 
2013-11-06 05:33:47 PM  

Wook: TheJoe03: Oakland is kind if cool and apparently all the creative Frisco types are starting to move there and gentrify the area. In that sense it is like a new Brooklyn. BTW, SF is now a land of tech millionaires and the homeless, talk about wealth disparity.

Funny you mention this.  My sister's a total hipster SF type.  Her and her husband just moved to Oakland along with many of their social circle.  The primary reason had to do with schooling for kids.  I guess SF's progressive system is just too chic for the chic.


In Oakland you can choose to live where you're reasonably sure that your kid will go to the designated public school for that neighborhood. S.F. school assignments are 100% by lottery -- your home location has zero weight on what school your kid will end up being assigned to. "So I'm spending $750,000 on a 2 bedroom condo, and my kid might end up in some crappy elementary school across town? FARK THAT NOISE, MOVE TO OAKLAND.
 
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