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(The Verge)   Tesla's new battery factory = greener than the greenest green that ever greened. Solar powered, zero waste and has built in recycling facility   (theverge.com) divider line 84
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2013-11-06 02:27:56 PM
Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.
 
2013-11-06 02:37:31 PM

timujin: Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.


I think Musk said that the next step beyond the supercharger network would be Battery-swapping stations for Teslas, which can apparently replace a depleted Tesla battery with a fully charged one in less time than it would take to fuel up a tank of gass.
 
2013-11-06 02:40:56 PM

timujin: Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.


http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap
 
2013-11-06 02:41:15 PM
I'm really getting a charge out of this guy. More power to him!
 
2013-11-06 02:48:19 PM

RexTalionis: timujin: Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.

I think Musk said that the next step beyond the supercharger network would be Battery-swapping stations for Teslas, which can apparently replace a depleted Tesla battery with a fully charged one in less time than it would take to fuel up a tank of gass.


I was thinking more for other applications... say I wanted to build my own electric and used their battery for it.
 
2013-11-06 02:59:59 PM
I trust is has a really good fire supression system
 
2013-11-06 03:00:38 PM
Is JP Morgan helping to fiance?
 
2013-11-06 03:01:12 PM
greenlight
 
2013-11-06 03:01:15 PM
This is all about the Gen 3.  They are going to have to dramatically increase production at that stage, and batteries will be their constraint.
 
2013-11-06 03:01:30 PM
I'll be charging mine with electricity generated by burning spotted owl feathers and aborted fetuses.

Suck it tree huggers.
 
2013-11-06 03:03:26 PM
The automotive industry collectively and the roadbuilding industry already have the highest rate of recycling in the world. there's a 95% chance that everything in your car and the roads you drive on will be recycled at least once.

Car batteries are 100% recycled right now, all of them, and it's been that way for 20 years. This is just Elon shilling for brownie points.
 
2013-11-06 03:05:15 PM
And will kill us all.

DON'T SAY YOU WEREN'T WARNED ABOUT THE GREEN SUSTAINABLE MENACE

fwd:fwd:RE:RE:RE:RE:re;FWD
 
2013-11-06 03:08:14 PM
Recycle all you want, but don't come crying to me when a huge ball of garbage is going to smash into the earth and we have nothing the same consistency as garbage to knock it away.

www.sadgeezer.com
 
2013-11-06 03:09:25 PM
And yet I lost $5000 today on their stock....  At least I got it shortly after the IPO at $30/share though, so I'm still up $24K
 
2013-11-06 03:11:18 PM

HailRobonia: Recycle all you want, but don't come crying to me when a huge ball of garbage is going to smash into the earth and we have nothing the same consistency as garbage to knock it away.

[www.sadgeezer.com image 224x168]


Most of it will break up probably.. and as an old sci-fi short story written before the 80s pointed out. We've polluted the atmosphere so much that whatever toxic stuff it has won't kill us.
 
2013-11-06 03:13:21 PM
Communists!!! Real 'mericans burn coal and oil.
 
2013-11-06 03:15:38 PM
Elon Musk hates Merica.
His name sounds muslim too.
Probably a friend of that jihadist Obama.
 
2013-11-06 03:15:50 PM
1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-11-06 03:18:10 PM
Tag: well done, subby.
 
GBB
2013-11-06 03:20:03 PM

RexTalionis: timujin: Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.

http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap


Battery swap is all well and good, but I can't stand having to reprogram my favorite radio stations and reset the clock every time.
 
2013-11-06 03:20:40 PM

RexTalionis: timujin: Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.

http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap


Strangely the official video of the batteryswap doesn't show the batteryswap because the camera angle is too high, it happens under the car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VH4JloWFEI
One video of many of the process.
 
2013-11-06 03:22:30 PM

willfullyobscure: The automotive industry collectively and the roadbuilding industry already have the highest rate of recycling in the world. there's a 95% chance that everything in your car and the roads you drive on will be recycled at least once.

Car batteries are 100% recycled right now, all of them, and it's been that way for 20 years. This is just Elon shilling for brownie points.


To be fair, him building a plant in the US to recycle the batteries is more green than them being shipped back to Samsung on the other side of the planet to be recycled.
 
2013-11-06 03:23:56 PM
Bu bu but, RARE EARTHS!!!!

Lithium Ions!!! Won't somebody think of the ions!
 
2013-11-06 03:24:18 PM
Hope it comes with its own fire department


/How much did it cost the taxpayers?
 
2013-11-06 03:24:51 PM

willfullyobscure: The automotive industry collectively and the roadbuilding industry already have the highest rate of recycling in the world. there's a 95% chance that everything in your car and the roads you drive on will be recycled at least once.

Car batteries are 100% recycled right now, all of them, and it's been that way for 20 years. This is just Elon shilling for brownie points.


Um. He's talking about the plant, not the batteries.
 
2013-11-06 03:25:12 PM
Tesla Green is people!

/Squishy, smushed, hyperlooped people
 
2013-11-06 03:26:29 PM

willfullyobscure: The automotive industry collectively and the roadbuilding industry already have the highest rate of recycling in the world. there's a 95% chance that everything in your car and the roads you drive on will be recycled at least once.

Car batteries are 100% recycled right now, all of them, and it's been that way for 20 years. This is just Elon shilling for brownie points.


1:33 vs 4:00

hmm... yeah, brownie points.
 
2013-11-06 03:27:23 PM
Recycling as in post consumer waste? Lithium metal has to be thought of like steel and aluminum if we're going to make it the next great industrial revolution.

Of course, if I try to gather up used lithium batteries I'd have the DEA breaking down my door, looking for a meth lab. Combine that with the fact I actually prefer sudafed to that "take me daily" crap.
 
2013-11-06 03:27:35 PM

GBB: RexTalionis: timujin: Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.

http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap

Battery swap is all well and good, but I can't stand having to reprogram my favorite radio stations and reset the clock every time.


I suspect there's a small battery to keep that from happening
 
2013-11-06 03:28:05 PM
The real mainstreaming of electric cars will come with a leap in battery technology.  There are a number of technologies in the R&D phase, though most probably won't ever make the leap from lab-scale to commercial technology.  I'm hoping Zenn Motor Company and its EEstor technology works, and that in about 8-10 years when my Tesla Li-ion battery needs replacing, I can upgrade to an EEstor battery, increasing the range and decreasing the charging time.
 
2013-11-06 03:28:07 PM

MrSteve007: Bu bu but, RARE EARTHS!!!!

Lithium Ions!!! Won't somebody think of the ions!


we ARE!... FREE THE IONS!!!
 
2013-11-06 03:29:39 PM

Joe Blowme: Hope it comes with its own fire department


/How much did it cost the taxpayers?


yup... just like this one did:

images.hemmings.com
 
2013-11-06 03:32:13 PM

Jacobin: GBB: RexTalionis: timujin: Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.

http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap

Battery swap is all well and good, but I can't stand having to reprogram my favorite radio stations and reset the clock every time.

I suspect there's a small battery to keep that from happening


One would hope. Of course, I also hoped that in my (non-electric) car, but when I pull the battery everything needs to be reset.
 
2013-11-06 03:33:47 PM

timujin: I was thinking more for other applications... say I wanted to build my own electric and used their battery for it.


You could just buy the batteries from Panasonic. Tesla uses Panasonic's NCR18650.

You could order a bunch, and wire them up to your own specs.
 
2013-11-06 03:33:47 PM
With Graphene Supercapacitors, being able to be printed in sheet of paper form from Red Laser CD Burner technology, and having almost instant recharging capacity, with exactly the same weight to power ratio as Lead acid batteries, I wonder how long it will be, before Tesla switches to that format for it's batteries.

http://scitechdaily.com/scientists-develop-graphene-coated-silicon-su p ercapacitor/">http://scitechdaily.com/scientists-develop-graphene-coa ted-silicon-sup ercapacitor/

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/163071-graphene-supercapacitors- c reated-with-traditional-paper-making-process-rivals-lead-acid-battery- capacity">http://www.extremetech.com/computing/163071-graphene-superc apacitors-c reated-with-traditional-paper-making-process-rivals-lead-acid-battery- capacity

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/08/130821-superca p acitors/">http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/08/1308 21-supercap acitors/
 
GBB
2013-11-06 03:35:22 PM

Jacobin: GBB: RexTalionis: timujin: Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.

http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap

Battery swap is all well and good, but I can't stand having to reprogram my favorite radio stations and reset the clock every time.

I suspect there's a small battery to keep that from happening


Great.  Another battery I have to worry about??
 
2013-11-06 03:35:37 PM

GoldDude: The real mainstreaming of electric cars will come with a leap in battery technology.  There are a number of technologies in the R&D phase, though most probably won't ever make the leap from lab-scale to commercial technology.  I'm hoping Zenn Motor Company and its EEstor technology works, and that in about 8-10 years when my Tesla Li-ion battery needs replacing, I can upgrade to an EEstor battery, increasing the range and decreasing the charging time.


I wouldn't hold my breath on those guys...they seem to be vaporware.
 
2013-11-06 03:37:46 PM
Still, they'll never be as god as when they made this album:

eil.com
 
2013-11-06 03:40:39 PM

MrBeetle: And yet I lost $5000 today on their stock....  At least I got it shortly after the IPO at $30/share though, so I'm still up $24K



Its a buying opportunity. They sold 5000 cars last year, so much room for growth its ridiculous, especially once they come out with a lower priced model.
 
2013-11-06 03:43:32 PM

GBB: Jacobin: GBB: RexTalionis: timujin: Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.

http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap

Battery swap is all well and good, but I can't stand having to reprogram my favorite radio stations and reset the clock every time.

I suspect there's a small battery to keep that from happening

Great.  Another battery I have to worry about??


It'll last a long time. The battery in my Legend of Zelda cartridge is over twenty years old and still keeps games saved like it did on day 1.
 
2013-11-06 03:43:52 PM

MindStalker: RexTalionis: timujin: Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.

http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap

Strangely the official video of the batteryswap doesn't show the batteryswap because the camera angle is too high, it happens under the car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VH4JloWFEI
One video of many of the process.


That's clever. I assume all stations will be able to handle 16 Teslas in parallel simultaneously, like my local Wawa can? And that each port will be serially able to handle hundreds of cars showing up sequentially?

Because those problems are why gas stations refill the container instead of replace it.
 
2013-11-06 03:45:21 PM

CokeBear: They sold 5000 cars last year, so much room for growth its ridiculous, especially once they come out with a lower priced model.


You mean the one that's been 3 years away for 4 years?

Fortunately, they'll be able to power it with cold fusion and control mileage with the onboard AI.
 
2013-11-06 03:47:40 PM

Hollie Maea: GoldDude: The real mainstreaming of electric cars will come with a leap in battery technology.  There are a number of technologies in the R&D phase, though most probably won't ever make the leap from lab-scale to commercial technology.  I'm hoping Zenn Motor Company and its EEstor technology works, and that in about 8-10 years when my Tesla Li-ion battery needs replacing, I can upgrade to an EEstor battery, increasing the range and decreasing the charging time.

I wouldn't hold my breath on those guys...they seem to be vaporware.


Definitely not holding my breath, but a couple of advancements in the last couple of weeks gives me a slight glimmer of hope.  But I don't own any stock.  Just hoping that there is a breakthrough (EEstor, graphene, or whatever) and that it is possible to retrofit the new technology to my "old" (by then) Tesla Model S.
 
2013-11-06 03:47:45 PM

CokeBear: Its a buying opportunity. They sold 5000 cars last year, so much room for growth its ridiculous, especially once they come out with a lower priced model.


I'm more impressed that they are starting to licence technology, and build the supercharge infrastructre.  I'm planning on a very long-term hold.... so it's only pretend money on paper for now.  And hell, if it ever does make it to $600 a share I can sell half of them ($60,000) and get myself a tesla with about $3000 invested.
 
2013-11-06 03:51:19 PM

This text is now purple: That's clever. I assume all stations will be able to handle 16 Teslas in parallel simultaneously, like my local Wawa can? And that each port will be serially able to handle hundreds of cars showing up sequentially?

Because those problems are why gas stations refill the container instead of replace it.


A very small percentage of Tesla owners will be using the battery swap at any given time.  The ONLY people who will use it are people doing cross country trips that don't want to stop for lunch.  That's a great feature to have if you need it, but the overwhelming amount of driving is done locally.  If every car started each day with a full tank of gas, gas stations would do a lot of things differently.
 
2013-11-06 03:52:30 PM

This text is now purple: You mean the one that's been 3 years away for 4 years?


Derp.

Amazing what arguments you can make when you can just make up whatever goes into your addled mind.
 
2013-11-06 03:53:51 PM

GoldDude: Just hoping that there is a breakthrough (EEstor, graphene, or whatever) and that it is possible to retrofit the new technology to my "old" (by then) Tesla Model S.


Even without a single "breakthrough", battery tech likely will be quite nice in ten years.
 
2013-11-06 03:56:12 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Jacobin: GBB: RexTalionis: timujin: Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.

http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap

Battery swap is all well and good, but I can't stand having to reprogram my favorite radio stations and reset the clock every time.

I suspect there's a small battery to keep that from happening

One would hope. Of course, I also hoped that in my (non-electric) car, but when I pull the battery everything needs to be reset.


It'll just do a reboot of the center and dash consoles, each of which runs Linux and stores most information on flash. Your "recent searches" will be wiped from the built-in Slacker app but everything else will be restored.
 
2013-11-06 03:59:14 PM

This text is now purple: MindStalker: RexTalionis: timujin: Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.

http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap

Strangely the official video of the batteryswap doesn't show the batteryswap because the camera angle is too high, it happens under the car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VH4JloWFEI
One video of many of the process.

That's clever. I assume all stations will be able to handle 16 Teslas in parallel simultaneously, like my local Wawa can? And that each port will be serially able to handle hundreds of cars showing up sequentially?

Because those problems are why gas stations refill the container instead of replace it.


They will still offer the quick charge (takes about 30 minutes) which is free (I can't see how it can remain free in the really long term), or you can pay $80 for a battery swap. The quick charge gets you about 150 miles (its only a 50% charge) where the battery swap gets you about 300-350 miles. I expect some of those with money to burn will choose the battery swap feature, but most would not.
 
2013-11-06 04:10:18 PM

timujin: Any idea where he'll build it?  It'd be cool if it were here, near the factory.  I wonder if he'll sell the batteries separately as well.


Bolivia makes sense.
 
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