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(ABC)   Armed vigilante groups tell the Mexican army that either they take out the Knights Templar cartel, or the groups will do it for them, and they've got a week   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 121
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2013-11-06 01:05:24 PM
Tails we win, heads you lose.
 
2013-11-06 01:06:17 PM
Not really seeing the downside for the Mexican army here.  They do nothing, the vigilante groups do some heavy lifting for them and hopefully suffer enough casualties in the process that the army can roll them up and disarm them without too much trouble afterwards
 
2013-11-06 01:08:07 PM
And nothing of value would be lost.

Seriously. These cartels are the basic definition of terrorism. Changing drug laws to decriminalize and legitimize much of their products with a combination of what the US Military joint operations do best would shatter these people.

Why are we not doing that?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-06 01:16:48 PM

hardinparamedic: Seriously. These cartels are the basic definition of terrorism. Changing drug laws to decriminalize and legitimize much of their products with a combination of what the US Military joint operations do best would shatter these people.


What, invade Mexico?
 
2013-11-06 01:24:54 PM

hardinparamedic: And nothing of value would be lost.

Seriously. These cartels are the basic definition of terrorism. Changing drug laws to decriminalize and legitimize much of their products with a combination of what the US Military joint operations do best would shatter these people.

Why are we not doing that?


Well, the GOP-controlled House for one. The language of the Controlled Substances Act has to change. As far as executive branch, the current administration has kind of turned a blind eye in some places but not in others. Considering how reluctant Obama has been to ignore his executive powers and duties, that's actually kind of a big deal.

If you think states like Texas are going to legalize MJ let alone cocaine anytime soon you're nuts. And if you haven't noticed the US government is a f*cking trainwreck with higher priorities.

Until the border with Mexico becomes a big political issue in the US and the hispanic vote becomes anything but solid for the Democrats, expect this kind of crap to continue. Immigration reform has been on the table for decades and nothing has really changed.
 
2013-11-06 01:38:01 PM

vpb: hardinparamedic: Seriously. These cartels are the basic definition of terrorism. Changing drug laws to decriminalize and legitimize much of their products with a combination of what the US Military joint operations do best would shatter these people.

What, invade Mexico?


Joint. Key word.
 
2013-11-06 01:40:14 PM
Next weeks headline:  Three dozen head were found in duffle bags in western Michoacán, authorities believe them to belong to the members of a vigilante group that last week demanded the Mexican army take on the Knights Templar cartel organization.  authorities are investigating the killings, but so far have identified no persons of interest or even leads in the mysterious murders
 
2013-11-06 01:48:48 PM
gamentrain.com
Man, Ubisoft is really going all in on their Assassin's Creed promotional tie-ins.
 
2013-11-06 01:55:15 PM

hardinparamedic: vpb: hardinparamedic: Seriously. These cartels are the basic definition of terrorism. Changing drug laws to decriminalize and legitimize much of their products with a combination of what the US Military joint operations do best would shatter these people.

What, invade Mexico?

Joint. Key word.


So you want to blow the cartels and their junk away with a methodical but blunt military venture and take a crack at weeding out our own silly drug laws?

I don't think we'll do much of anything until true cartel-style violence hits small town America, and then we'll probably derple down on the prohibition. I think any change in policy is going to originate in Mexico, and they will try to slow down the war and bring violence back down to pre-Calderon levels.
 
2013-11-06 01:55:36 PM

keiverarrow: Next weeks headline:  Three dozen head were found in duffle bags in western Michoacán, authorities believe them to belong to the members of a vigilante group that last week demanded the Mexican army take on the Knights Templar cartel organization.  authorities are investigating the killings, but so far have identified no persons of interest or even leads in the mysterious murders


You might be interested in knowing what a group of Vigilantes did to the Escobar Cartel.

Never underestimate the power of people who are fed up with crime and government inaction, and are discretely funded by police interests.
 
2013-11-06 01:58:43 PM

bdub77: hardinparamedic: And nothing of value would be lost.

Seriously. These cartels are the basic definition of terrorism. Changing drug laws to decriminalize and legitimize much of their products with a combination of what the US Military joint operations do best would shatter these people.

Why are we not doing that?

Well, the GOP-controlled House for one. The language of the Controlled Substances Act has to change. As far as executive branch, the current administration has kind of turned a blind eye in some places but not in others. Considering how reluctant Obama has been to ignore his executive powers and duties, that's actually kind of a big deal.

If you think states like Texas are going to legalize MJ let alone cocaine anytime soon you're nuts. And if you haven't noticed the US government is a f*cking trainwreck with higher priorities.

Until the border with Mexico becomes a big political issue in the US and the hispanic vote becomes anything but solid for the Democrats, expect this kind of crap to continue. Immigration reform has been on the table for decades and nothing has really changed.


Drug criminalization is something that is high on both sides of the isle

Although Marijuana decriminalization will happen within 10 years, no majority thinks that legalizing crack or heroin is a good idea.
 
2013-11-06 02:02:38 PM

bdub77: hardinparamedic: And nothing of value would be lost.

Seriously. These cartels are the basic definition of terrorism. Changing drug laws to decriminalize and legitimize much of their products with a combination of what the US Military joint operations do best would shatter these people.

Why are we not doing that?

Well, the GOP-controlled House for one. The language of the Controlled Substances Act has to change. As far as executive branch, the current administration has kind of turned a blind eye in some places but not in others. Considering how reluctant Obama has been to ignore his executive powers and duties, that's actually kind of a big deal.

If you think states like Texas are going to legalize MJ let alone cocaine anytime soon you're nuts. And if you haven't noticed the US government is a f*cking trainwreck with higher priorities.

Until the border with Mexico becomes a big political issue in the US and the hispanic vote becomes anything but solid for the Democrats, expect this kind of crap to continue. Immigration reform has been on the table for decades and nothing has really changed.


You forgot about the bit wherein there are many a company making big dollars off enforcement and incarceration. Oh, and a pliable public living in fear.
 
2013-11-06 02:21:32 PM
Simon says
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2013-11-06 02:22:26 PM
www.arcatatheater.com
 
2013-11-06 02:23:17 PM
Can't say this is likely to end well, but people can, eventually, get sick enough of other peoples' shiat to take violent action.
 
2013-11-06 02:25:02 PM

hardinparamedic: You might be interested in knowing what a group of Vigilantes did to the Escobar Cartel.


Are you talking about Los Pepes?

The group that eventually had top people in it take government positions who then got in bed with future cartels?
 
2013-11-06 02:25:25 PM

keiverarrow: Next weeks headline:  Three dozen head were found in duffle bags in western Michoacán, authorities believe them to belong to the members of a vigilante group that last week demanded the Mexican army take on the Knights Templar cartel organization.  authorities are investigating the killings, but so far have identified no persons of interest or even leads in the mysterious murders


It's Michoacán, man! Michoacán! I can smell it!
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/got nuthin'
 
2013-11-06 02:25:36 PM
it's not about the drug laws here
You can legalize pot and require people to grow it
the drug baddies will switch gears to the other drugs they bring in and go heavier on sex traffic/guns

But I like that this has hit the mainstream news
some have been chatting about it here for almost a year
but when here is dc..
 
2013-11-06 02:26:54 PM
New Dan Brown novel?
 
2013-11-06 02:27:49 PM
Has the GTA franchise covered Mexican cartel violence yet? Because that would be an awesome plot.
 
2013-11-06 02:28:07 PM
Those vigilantes are going to get their asses blown away and their heads chopped off.
 
2013-11-06 02:28:50 PM
We should have invaded Mexico instead of Iraq. Not only do they have oil, but they are right next door in a virtually lawless area controlled by local strongmen (the cartels).
 
2013-11-06 02:29:27 PM

elvisaintdead: Tails we win, heads you lose.


Actually, if heads are involved, it usually means the cartels have won.
 
2013-11-06 02:29:44 PM
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2013-11-06 02:29:54 PM
Sounds like a job for Machete.
 
2013-11-06 02:31:05 PM
Los Pepes are back! And this time, it's personal.
 
2013-11-06 02:31:59 PM
We have drones blowing up brown people from across the globe, why not use it across the border on brown people with an actual, imminent threat to America?
 
2013-11-06 02:32:14 PM

kbronsito: Los Pepes are back! And this time, it's personal.


Nah.  The article says these are civilians, as opposed to Los Pepes.
 
2013-11-06 02:33:31 PM
super_grass

We have drones blowing up brown people from across the globe...

Not really. Most American drone operations are conducted against people the American government calls white.
 
2013-11-06 02:33:39 PM
"Los Pee-Pees" * snicker*
 
2013-11-06 02:33:40 PM
Didn't we already send these guys a bunch of guns?  I know we sent somebody down there some guns.
 
2013-11-06 02:34:01 PM
Why no hero tag?  If more mexicans did this instead of running away north, maybe it wouldnt be such a shiat hole that everyone is trying to get away from
 
2013-11-06 02:35:05 PM
"Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges!"
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2013-11-06 02:35:29 PM

super_grass: We have drones blowing up brown people from across the globe, why not use it across the border on brown people with an actual, imminent threat to America?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-06 02:37:48 PM

hardinparamedic: And nothing of value would be lost.

Seriously. These cartels are the basic definition of terrorism. Changing drug laws to decriminalize and legitimize much of their products with a combination of what the US Military joint operations do best would shatter these people.

Why are we not doing that?


The truth is drug running is an important source of income for certain organizations. If they use tax dollars it can be traced, but with black market money they can do whatever they want with it and not have to answer to anyone. The real purpose behind the 'fast and the furious' scandal was to arm their criminals in Mexico who run drugs for them.
 
2013-11-06 02:38:00 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: hardinparamedic: You might be interested in knowing what a group of Vigilantes did to the Escobar Cartel.

Are you talking about Los Pepes?

The group that eventually had top people in it take government positions who then got in bed with future cartels?


Los Pepes wasn't a vigilante group anyway. It was a rival cartel.
 
2013-11-06 02:38:52 PM
GOD WILLS IT!
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/hot like a burning infidel
 
2013-11-06 02:39:28 PM
Having briefly lived in Mexico and almost getting killed in a cartel drive-by, all I can say to this is fark yeah.  We can only do so much here to alleviate the problems there.  At the end of the day, change is only going to come when the Mexican people push back and say No More.  That being said, this is going to end in a bloodbath.
 
2013-11-06 02:41:16 PM

Eomatrix: Having briefly lived in Mexico and almost getting killed in a cartel drive-by, all I can say to this is fark yeah.  We can only do so much here to alleviate the problems there.  At the end of the day, change is only going to come when the Mexican people push back and say No More.  That being said, this is going to end in a bloodbath.


sad... but the tree of liberty needs to be watered from time to time
 
2013-11-06 02:41:16 PM

fireclown: kbronsito: Los Pepes are back! And this time, it's personal.

Nah.  The article says these are civilians, as opposed to Los Pepes.


they aren't going to come out and tell everyone that their ranks either include or are are entirely made up of police and military.
 
2013-11-06 02:41:27 PM

HooskerDoo: "Los Pee-Pees" * snicker*


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Which is Spanish for......The Pee-Pees
 
2013-11-06 02:42:23 PM

Joe Blowme: Why no hero tag?If more mexicans did this instead of running away north, maybe it wouldnt be such a shiat hole that everyone is trying to get away from


You read my mind. This is farking courageous of them.
 
2013-11-06 02:43:06 PM
The Mexican police are saying:

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2013-11-06 02:43:19 PM

phenn: Joe Blowme: Why no hero tag?If more mexicans did this instead of running away north, maybe it wouldnt be such a shiat hole that everyone is trying to get away from

You read my mind. This is farking courageous of them.


and long overdue IMHO
 
2013-11-06 02:44:50 PM
Just to show they are serious, they are giving them two days
 
2013-11-06 02:45:35 PM
Joe Blowme:

sad... but the tree of liberty needs to be watered from time to time

Exactly, it's sad, but the situation is so dire there that it's really the only option they have for positive change.  After all, diplomacy is only good when it makes things better.
 
2013-11-06 02:46:33 PM
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2013-11-06 02:46:59 PM

ongbok: Los Pepes wasn't a vigilante group anyway. It was a rival cartel.


Partially. It was also made up of military and police who were fed up with Escobar being able to game the system.
 
2013-11-06 02:47:21 PM

violentsalvation: So you want to blow the cartels and their junk away with a methodical but blunt military venture and take a crack at weeding out our own silly drug laws?


Well, it is a chronic problem. If we don't hash something out to get the upper hand and crank down the drug trade, it will be a real downer.

/That's all I got. Tried to work the Doobie brothers in there, but never quite found the right way.
 
2013-11-06 02:48:14 PM

hardinparamedic: And nothing of value would be lost.

Seriously. These cartels are the basic definition of terrorism. Changing drug laws to decriminalize and legitimize much of their products with a combination of what the US Military joint operations do best would shatter these people.

Why are we not doing that?


Because Jesus!
 
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