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(Estately)   The 13 best cities for urban conservatives, as chosen by people who think Spokane is a city   (blog.estately.com) divider line 129
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2013-11-06 01:16:25 PM  
Silicon Valley?

Hahahahahahahahaha.
 
2013-11-06 01:26:58 PM  
I want to live in a city but I'm afraid of exposing myself to other cultures and viewpoints.
 
2013-11-06 01:27:27 PM  
I'm kind of automatically prejudiced against anything that follows the current fad of tacking "-ly" on the end of a name, but this blog was poorly written, too. The reasons the writer imagines Liberals avoid each city were especially stupid.
 
2013-11-06 01:35:55 PM  
Good use of the silly tag.
 
2013-11-06 01:37:44 PM  
Ha.  "Urban conservatives."  The closest they'd ever come to urban is a white-bread gated community of identical suburban homes with a 1 hour commute from anything even slightly different from themselves.
 
2013-11-06 01:38:22 PM  

bdub77: Silicon Valley?

Hahahahahahahahaha.


Ah, it makes sense, tech centers are full of "libertarian" right-wing derpmongers. The IT industry is full of 'em.
 
2013-11-06 01:38:44 PM  
Why did they rotate their map of California like that?  Also, it's hilarious how many of those cities are in or directly adjacent to blue districts.
 
2013-11-06 01:40:23 PM  

IrateShadow: Why did they rotate their map of California like that?  Also, it's hilarious how many of those cities are in or directly adjacent to blue districts.


"The best places for conservatives: Places where the center and left are doing all the work and they can live comfortably in their little bubble of stupidity and outrage without consequence."
 
2013-11-06 01:42:20 PM  
NYC. Seriously, it's easy if you don't mind teh gheys, browns and gun laws
 
2013-11-06 01:43:24 PM  
5th-BOISE, ID

Already been tried...

thereservoirblogs.files.wordpress.com

Seriously, though. Boise is gorgeous. I'd move there despite derptastic legislators. I mean, I moved to Utah, didn't I? I also used to live in Phx, home of Sheriff Joe, so it's not like I'm not used to morons calling the shots.
 
2013-11-06 01:48:15 PM  
Um, subby? Spokane has a population of 209,000. Sounds like a "city" to me. OTOH, Silicon Valley ISN'T a city, but a region, so I'm not sure what your "point" was...
 
2013-11-06 01:49:10 PM  
Three of those cities are suburbs of Dallas, one is a suburb of Phoenix, and one is a suburb of LA.  That's not really what one considers a "city" in the demographic sense.  People in Buffalo tell their friends "I'm moving to Dallas."  They don't say "I'm moving to Plano."  People who live in Plano probably imagine that people do say that, but trust me... they don't.

However, Plano is quite a bit better than conservative cities like Pine Bluff, AR or Greenville, SC.  That may have something to do with its proximity to that corrupt den of liberalism - Dallas.
 
2013-11-06 01:50:17 PM  
 
2013-11-06 01:51:11 PM  
I'm surprised Tulsa didn't make the list, given its proximity to OKC and similarity.  But I'm doing my best to turn this city blue, so...
 
2013-11-06 01:51:23 PM  
Cities are more liberal because you interact with so many people on a daily basis. Once you meet people that aren't exactly like you, you realize they're still decent human beings and you become tolerant of their life choices. And when you meet good people that were dealt a bad hand, you get more sympathetic to their problems. Tolerance and sympathy don't work well with (modern) conservatism.
 
2013-11-06 01:51:28 PM  

Mikey1969: 5th-BOISE, ID

Already been tried...

[thereservoirblogs.files.wordpress.com image 400x609]

Seriously, though. Boise is gorgeous. I'd move there despite derptastic legislators. I mean, I moved to Utah, didn't I? I also used to live in Phx, home of Sheriff Joe, so it's not like I'm not used to morons calling the shots.


Boise is great.  I would add SLC to that list as well.  That's a much better "conservative" city than freaking Jacksonville.  Nobody likes Jacksonville.  You never get used to the smell.
 
2013-11-06 01:51:31 PM  
I guess things aren't looking so great for conservatives then.

6th-NASHVILLE, TN
Percent Who Voted For Obama (2012):  58.5%
Mayor:  Karl Dean-Democrat

13th--Silicon Valley
Percent Who Voted For Obama (2012): 69.8% (Santa Clara County)

And only 2 cities in their list, Jacksonville, FL and Fort Worth, TX had a population greater than Nashville.
 
2013-11-06 01:52:04 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Three of those cities are suburbs of Dallas


Ft. Worth is not a "suburb" of Dallas.  That's like saying St. Paul is a suburb of Minneapolis, or Kansas City is a suburb of Kansas City.
 
2013-11-06 01:53:38 PM  
I'm tickled that on the electoral district maps, most of these so-called conservative "safe-zones" are either Blue or Pink/Purple, indicating relatively less conservative than the surrounding suburban or rural districts.  The only exception I see is in Arizona where the districts are absolutely HUGE due to low population density and cover vast areas of empty desert.
 
2013-11-06 01:54:06 PM  
The more urban an area is, the more you're interacting with different cultures and the more your actions effect others (and the more their actions effect you). As a result, cities tend to be more liberal than their surrounding areas.

Idaho is DEEP red.  Ada County even votes Republican.  But the actual city of Boise?  Pretty solid Democrat.  Almost every representative in the state legislature from Boise is a Democrat and the city council has a super majority of liberals (although it's a non-partisan election so it's not real easy to tell some times).

If you can't stand being around Democrats, Boise is increasingly not a place to be.  Move to some rural county just outside of Boise and you'll be fine.
 
2013-11-06 01:54:24 PM  
Didn't Colorado Springs just burn down because they didn't have enough revenue to fight the fires?
 
2013-11-06 01:54:28 PM  

bdub77: Silicon Valley?

Hahahahahahahahaha.


There was a bit of WTF with that one - a place that went 70:30 for Obama makes the top 13 of densely populated areas in the country for Conservatives.
 
2013-11-06 01:54:38 PM  
Guess they didn't get The Citadel off the ground yet. But I feel bad about missing out on Oklahoma City and that pigeon museum.
 
2013-11-06 01:54:41 PM  
No Salt Lake City? Where you can join the old fat white conservative club Mormon and use the club contacts to have the taxpayers build you a soccer stadium?

Complete Fail.
 
2013-11-06 01:56:08 PM  
Reason Liberals Avoid It:

Arlington: It's the largest American city not served by a comprehensive public transportation system.
Anaheim: Disney's labor practices
OKC: Tornadoes


Do... do conservatives like all this?

Nashville: They're waiting for Dolly Parton to come to them.
Silicon Valley: They don't


Awesome article, bro.
 
2013-11-06 01:57:21 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: bdub77: Silicon Valley?

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Ah, it makes sense, tech centers are full of "libertarian" right-wing derpmongers. The IT industry is full of 'em.


I am shocked that a bunch of white men making significantly more $$$ than the average person think Ayn Rand is #1.

No wait, I'm not.
 
2013-11-06 01:59:06 PM  
Reason Liberals Avoid It: Tornadoes

I hear the jury's still out on Tornadoes
 
2013-11-06 01:59:17 PM  
Also why the fark would anyone recommend Anaheim? A tourist-based city that depends on a cheap immigrant workforce? Ok that sounds about right.
 
2013-11-06 02:00:09 PM  
Reason Liberals Avoid It: It's the largest American city not served by a comprehensive public transportation system.

Liberals love going places.
 
2013-11-06 02:01:18 PM  
So a  vast  sprawl of ubiquitous TGIF Fridays, Targets  and Bed Bath & Beyonds is considered "urban"?
 
2013-11-06 02:01:36 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Rapmaster2000: Three of those cities are suburbs of Dallas

Ft. Worth is not a "suburb" of Dallas.  That's like saying St. Paul is a suburb of Minneapolis, or Kansas City is a suburb of Kansas City.


This is true.  Fort Worth is a city roughly 500,000 people smaller than Dallas and located within the MSA anchored by Dallas.  It's within the media market of the Dallas Cowboys, the Dallas Mavericks, and the Dallas Stars.

Similar cities include Ft. Lauderdale, St. Paul, Newark, and East St. Lous - cities overshadowed by their larger neighbors.

So you are technically correct.  The best kind of correct.
 
2013-11-06 02:02:19 PM  
I recently visited Fort Worth very briefly.

It was unusual in that it seemed like a very small town that accidentally grew skyscrapers.

Boise is nice. That's it. Just nice.

Houston is curiously missing. Probably because of our gay mayor.
 
2013-11-06 02:02:53 PM  

CPennypacker: Reason Liberals Avoid It: It's the largest American city not served by a comprehensive public transportation system.

Liberals love going places.


But driving is scary.
 
2013-11-06 02:03:59 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: CPennypacker: Reason Liberals Avoid It: It's the largest American city not served by a comprehensive public transportation system.

Liberals love going places.

But driving is scary.


Unless its in a Prius M I RITE
 
2013-11-06 02:06:37 PM  
Whole lot of butthurt in that article.

Most of the "reasons liberals avoid it" are either whining(so-and-so has an A from the NRA/Heritage), common sense(I'm pretty sure conservatives avoid tornadoes too), or wrong(the reason I'm not moving to Anchorage has nothing to do with Palin).

Though I like how they forgot to include a reason for Jacksonville.
 
2013-11-06 02:06:56 PM  
I like this: "Colorado Springs is keeping it conservative. This mountain city is home to the U.S. Air Force Academy, a handful of military bases, and numerous defense industry jobs."

"Keeping it conservative" means "socialism", because those are a bunch of jobs funded by Federal tax money, and working for the collective good as determined by the centralized Federal government.
 
2013-11-06 02:07:08 PM  
Reason Liberals Avoid It: They don't, but the high cost of living is a challenge for lots of people.

Liberals can't afford the cost of living here because its driven up by all the liberals living here
 
2013-11-06 02:08:08 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Reason Liberals Avoid It:

Arlington: It's the largest American city not served by a comprehensive public transportation system.
Anaheim: Disney's labor practices
OKC: Tornadoes

Do... do conservatives like all this?



Yes. They can joyously shout about their tax dollars aren't being wasted on silly things like infrastructure, coo over all the parking spaces for their mobility scooters at Disney world while eating an entire chicken, rail against "lib areas" in the north who need help after a natural disaster, and finally, after some mental gymnastics, demand federal money when their house is torn to shreds by a tornado. Sounds like a modern conservative to me.
 
2013-11-06 02:08:12 PM  
God just look at that shot of Spokane. If that doesn't make you want to slit your wrists, nothing will
 
2013-11-06 02:08:25 PM  
Anchorage, AK
Spokane, WA


I've lived in both of them.
No.
 
2013-11-06 02:10:55 PM  
Anchorage, AK? Liberals avoid it because Sarah Palin is just down the road in Wasilla? Hahaha...yeah no. Wasilla has been a pretty speshul place for a long time. When I was a kid in Anchorage we used to make jokes about Wasilla. I also like that "It's a conservative wonderland...if you ignore recent gains Democrats have been making." This is an awesome place to be a republican!...if you ignore the fact that we're starting to lose our grip here too.*cough*
 
2013-11-06 02:13:16 PM  

boise3981: But the actual city of Boise? Pretty solid Democrat


But you also need to remember what passes for a Democrat in Idaho is still pretty conservative.
 
2013-11-06 02:16:48 PM  
 I detected a lack of "Very few coloreds live here" in the arguments for a city, even though it seems like they intentionally set out to compile a list of the whitest cities in America.
 
2013-11-06 02:24:14 PM  

sillydragon: Anchorage, AK? Liberals avoid it because Sarah Palin is just down the road in Wasilla? Hahaha...yeah no. Wasilla has been a pretty speshul place for a long time. When I was a kid in Anchorage we used to make jokes about Wasilla. I also like that "It's a conservative wonderland...if you ignore recent gains Democrats have been making." This is an awesome place to be a republican!...if you ignore the fact that we're starting to lose our grip here too.*cough*


I just about spit my drink when I saw that. Especially the "no sales or income tax" part. That's because of the evil, socialist experiment called the permanent fund, you dumbasses. No one "avoids" Alaska because of Sarah Palin. Hell, I don't think she even lives there anymore.

Stay out of my hometown, assholes!
 
2013-11-06 02:25:22 PM  
Am I missing the "humor" in that article because I'm an uptight, ivory-tower, self-loathing liberal or is it because their jokes aren't funny.  "Ha, ha!  Arlington is nothing but sprawl and traffic!  F*ck buses and subways!  Pave more fields!"

Also: I'm sure several of the listed places are nice, but couldn't they have picked images that didn't look like abandoned cities?

CPennypacker: God just look at that shot of Spokane. If that doesn't make you want to slit your wrists, nothing will


It did look pretty f'n sad.  The Puget Sound area, liberals and rain be damned, is absolutely gorgeous.  Spokane ain't doing it for me.
 
2013-11-06 02:27:06 PM  

factoryconnection: Am I missing the "humor" in that article because I'm an uptight, ivory-tower, self-loathing liberal or is it because their jokes aren't funny.  "Ha, ha!  Arlington is nothing but sprawl and traffic!  F*ck buses and subways!  Pave more fields!"

Also: I'm sure several of the listed places are nice, but couldn't they have picked images that didn't look like abandoned cities?

CPennypacker: God just look at that shot of Spokane. If that doesn't make you want to slit your wrists, nothing will

It did look pretty f'n sad.  The Puget Sound area, liberals and rain be damned, is absolutely gorgeous.  Spokane ain't doing it for me.


Agree. I love Seattle->North (my in-laws are from Mt Vernon and my sister in law is in B-Ham)
 
2013-11-06 02:31:56 PM  
 Arlington TX - Because nothing says "conservative" and "small government"   like chipping in $400 million in public taxpayer revenues to help pay for a billionaire's privately owned football stadium.
 
2013-11-06 02:32:50 PM  

cram_hole: Didn't Colorado Springs just burn down because they didn't have enough revenue to fight the fires?


Not only that, but it burned down in the dark because they didn't have enough revenue to keep the street lights on.  When it's not on fire, it's a bastion of dimly-lit, crumbling "conservative values".
 
2013-11-06 02:36:30 PM  

factoryconnection: CPennypacker: God just look at that shot of Spokane. If that doesn't make you want to slit your wrists, nothing will

It did look pretty f'n sad. The Puget Sound area, liberals and rain be damned, is absolutely gorgeous. Spokane ain't doing it for me.


I actually thought CPennypacker was making a joke about it looking so bad that they didn't want to include a picture of it. (Apparently that image didn't load for me) :p

Although, take a child to the Spokane riverfront and this will be one of their greatest memories.
www.uptake.com
/image stolen from google
//not sure if kids these days even play with wagons... so maybe you will enjoy it by remembering your own youth more than they'd enjoy it at all
 
2013-11-06 02:43:32 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Mikey1969: 5th-BOISE, ID

Already been tried...

[thereservoirblogs.files.wordpress.com image 400x609]

Seriously, though. Boise is gorgeous. I'd move there despite derptastic legislators. I mean, I moved to Utah, didn't I? I also used to live in Phx, home of Sheriff Joe, so it's not like I'm not used to morons calling the shots.

Boise is great.  I would add SLC to that list as well.  That's a much better "conservative" city than freaking Jacksonville.  Nobody likes Jacksonville.  You never get used to the smell.


Tenatra: factoryconnection: CPennypacker: God just look at that shot of Spokane. If that doesn't make you want to slit your wrists, nothing will

It did look pretty f'n sad. The Puget Sound area, liberals and rain be damned, is absolutely gorgeous. Spokane ain't doing it for me.

I actually thought CPennypacker was making a joke about it looking so bad that they didn't want to include a picture of it. (Apparently that image didn't load for me) :p

Although, take a child to the Spokane riverfront and this will be one of their greatest memories.
[www.uptake.com image 850x637]
/image stolen from google
//not sure if kids these days even play with wagons... so maybe you will enjoy it by remembering your own youth more than they'd enjoy it at all


I did Riverfront Park back in '83 or so , when i was a teenager. It was farking awesome, but the wagon must be new since then. I'd steal that thing if I could.
 
2013-11-06 02:49:43 PM  
I haven't been to many of these cities. But I have been to Spokane. And I have never been to a shiattier, more down-trodden, dilapidated, meth-fueled, ignorant, racist, uneducated over grown trailer park of a city in my life.

It's also where my father's side of the family is from. He and his brother left. His sister didn't. Guess which sibling became a meth cook teenage mother?
 
2013-11-06 02:50:04 PM  

Tenatra: factoryconnection: CPennypacker: God just look at that shot of Spokane. If that doesn't make you want to slit your wrists, nothing will

It did look pretty f'n sad. The Puget Sound area, liberals and rain be damned, is absolutely gorgeous. Spokane ain't doing it for me.

I actually thought CPennypacker was making a joke about it looking so bad that they didn't want to include a picture of it. (Apparently that image didn't load for me) :p

Although, take a child to the Spokane riverfront and this will be one of their greatest memories.
[www.uptake.com image 850x637]
/image stolen from google
//not sure if kids these days even play with wagons... so maybe you will enjoy it by remembering your own youth more than they'd enjoy it at all


Climbing all over this thing is one of my fond childhood memories...

static.panoramio.com
 
2013-11-06 02:53:50 PM  

Tenatra: not sure if kids these days even play with wagons... so maybe you will enjoy it by remembering your own youth more than they'd enjoy it at all


That's a pretty b*tchin' slide.
 
2013-11-06 02:53:51 PM  

Mikey1969: I did Riverfront Park back in '83 or so , when i was a teenager. It was farking awesome, but the wagon must be new since then. I'd steal that thing if I could.


I lived there from '89-'98. Not sure when it was installed but iirc it has been there since at least the early 90s

/just looked it up it appears to have been installed in 1990. http://spokaneriverfrontpark.com/index.php/RFP/page/367/
 
2013-11-06 02:54:34 PM  

Bazzlex001: I haven't been to many of these cities. But I have been to Spokane. And I have never been to a shiattier, more down-trodden, dilapidated, meth-fueled, ignorant, racist, uneducated over grown trailer park of a city in my life.

It's also where my father's side of the family is from. He and his brother left. His sister didn't. Guess which sibling became a meth cook teenage mother?


I knew a girl who was stationed at Fairchild Air Force Base, which is just outside of Spokane.  She said it was a depressing hellhole, too.
 
2013-11-06 02:55:26 PM  
Note on Oklahoma City:

Famous Locals: Sports columnist Skip Bayless,

BURN IT. BURN THE PLACE TO THE GROUND AND SALT THE EARTH AFTERWARD.
 
2013-11-06 02:58:11 PM  
Plano, TX., is not where you go to get rich. It is where you go when you want to pretend that 80K a year IS rich.
 
2013-11-06 03:01:51 PM  

sillydragon: Climbing all over this thing is one of my fond childhood memories...

[static.panoramio.com image 850x619]


Hey I played drunk tag on and around that thing in my early 20's. And you know that ramp towards the right side of this image? CSB. One night I was wandering around aimlessly and walked up it only to find a homeless man sleeping at the top of the ramp. I walked back down quietly so I didn't startle him.
 
2013-11-06 03:02:32 PM  

Bazzlex001: I haven't been to many of these cities. But I have been to Spokane. And I have never been to a shiattier, more down-trodden, dilapidated, meth-fueled, ignorant, racist, uneducated over grown trailer park of a city in my life.

It's also where my father's side of the family is from. He and his brother left. His sister didn't. Guess which sibling became a meth cook teenage mother?


It would be pretty weird if your dad or uncle became a teenage mother.
 
2013-11-06 03:05:56 PM  
Three of the places on this list are Fort Worth, Arlington and Plano. Do you even get to do that in a list like this? 'Hey, Dallas isn't for you, but look at all these individual suburbs of Dallas we can use to fill up the list!' I'm pretty sure the going rule of 'best cities to X' lists is one city to an area.
 
2013-11-06 03:06:02 PM  
Except conservatism is synonymous with rural or small town.

Article makes as much sense as "15 BEST TRAILER PARKS FOR LIBERALS".
 
2013-11-06 03:15:16 PM  

Herbie555: I'm tickled that on the electoral district maps, most of these so-called conservative "safe-zones" are either Blue or Pink/Purple, indicating relatively less conservative than the surrounding suburban or rural districts.  The only exception I see is in Arizona where the districts are absolutely HUGE due to low population density and cover vast areas of empty desert.


I live in Arizona's largest district, which went blue in 2008, red in 2010, and blue again last year. The Navajos, Hopis, and Apaches are PISSED at the Teatards/Mormons, and are a considerable voting bloc. Since the T-tards keep biatching about the same things over and over again, but can't live without that sweet, sweet welfare coming in, I don't think we'll be going red again for a while.
 
2013-11-06 03:17:53 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Plano, TX., is not where you go to get rich. It is where you go when you want to pretend that 80K a year IS rich.


To be fair it was sorta famous a few years back for its rampant teenage heroin use, so you got that I guess.

/nowadays all the suburbanites flock to Frisco, not Plano
 
2013-11-06 03:21:34 PM  

Tenatra: sillydragon: Climbing all over this thing is one of my fond childhood memories...

[static.panoramio.com image 850x619]

Hey I played drunk tag on and around that thing in my early 20's. And you know that ramp towards the right side of this image? CSB. One night I was wandering around aimlessly and walked up it only to find a homeless man sleeping at the top of the ramp. I walked back down quietly so I didn't startle him.


Yeah, the homeless used to use it a lot to sleep at night. And I played endless tag on that thing (though not drunk, too young at the time). In retrospect I'm really surprised that I didn't fall off of the top and break my arm or something.
 
2013-11-06 03:22:33 PM  
Jacksonville is one of the worlds biggest shiatholes.  Spokanne is a classic case of red state derpers talking about how bootstrappy they all are while sucking up that sweet, sweet tax welfare generated by all the productive liberal hippies that live in Seattle.

So please, conservatives, move to Jacksonville.  You're taking too much out of my wallet in Spokanne.
 
2013-11-06 03:37:21 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Plano, TX., is not where you go to get rich. It is where you go when you want to pretend that 80K a year IS rich.

To be fair it was sorta famous a few years back for its rampant teenage heroin use, so you got that I guess.

/nowadays all the suburbanites flock to Frisco, not Plano


lol. I remember that. I was in high school at the time. I ain't from Plano, though. I live in Richardson, which is right next to Plano and older, and somehow far more diverse. Best pho I ever had anywhere was right here. My wife's parents live in Frisco, though... whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite. So very white.
 
2013-11-06 03:40:05 PM  

sillydragon: Tenatra: sillydragon: Climbing all over this thing is one of my fond childhood memories...

[static.panoramio.com image 850x619]

Hey I played drunk tag on and around that thing in my early 20's. And you know that ramp towards the right side of this image? CSB. One night I was wandering around aimlessly and walked up it only to find a homeless man sleeping at the top of the ramp. I walked back down quietly so I didn't startle him.

Yeah, the homeless used to use it a lot to sleep at night. And I played endless tag on that thing (though not drunk, too young at the time). In retrospect I'm really surprised that I didn't fall off of the top and break my arm or something.


Was at the Red Lion across the river there a few weeks ago for a conference.  The homeless still sleep under the bridges until quite late in the morning.  I don't think I saw even 1 kid playing on it all week when I would walk by.

I did have a very nice rare lamb steak at the Steam Plant that week. Co-worker and I also tried Sante a few times.  Now that was tasty.

I don't think Spokane can brew tho.  All the local brews tasted fruity.  A wheat should not taste like apples.
 
2013-11-06 03:42:55 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: bdub77: Silicon Valley?

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Ah, it makes sense, tech centers are full of "libertarian" right-wing derpmongers. The IT industry is full of 'em.


Ah yes, the fedorated masses of self-made men with state school CS degrees.
 
2013-11-06 03:48:58 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: A Dark Evil Omen: bdub77: Silicon Valley?

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Ah, it makes sense, tech centers are full of "libertarian" right-wing derpmongers. The IT industry is full of 'em.

Ah yes, the fedorated masses of self-made men with state school CS degrees.


In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony government's services. But because, I am enlightened by my hard work.
 
2013-11-06 03:59:08 PM  
Petey4335:  I don't think I saw even 1 kid playing on it all week when I would walk by.

Not surprised. Homeless people or not, that thing was really dangerous to play on in the wintertime.
 
2013-11-06 04:05:18 PM  
Spokane: Reason Liberals Avoid It:  It's really close to Idaho

Ironically, when I was driving from Seattle to Glacier and my parents were flying into Spokane to meet me half way, we stayed the night in Coeur d'Alene, ID, specifically to avoid Spokane.

As for the insane ramblings of the rep from Plano, are there even any nuclear bombs that can be loaded on an F-15? I'd assume they'd use a bomber for that.
 
2013-11-06 04:13:54 PM  

Tenatra: Mikey1969: I did Riverfront Park back in '83 or so , when i was a teenager. It was farking awesome, but the wagon must be new since then. I'd steal that thing if I could.

I lived there from '89-'98. Not sure when it was installed but iirc it has been there since at least the early 90s

/just looked it up it appears to have been installed in 1990. http://spokaneriverfrontpark.com/index.php/RFP/page/367/


Cool, thanks for the update. That is so farking cool.
 
2013-11-06 04:14:36 PM  

Mikey1969: Um, subby? Spokane has a population of 209,000. Sounds like a "city" to me. OTOH, Silicon Valley ISN'T a city, but a region, so I'm not sure what your "point" was...


Subby here. I grew up in Hayden Lake, ID, so Spokane represented "the city" to me as a youth. I even saw my first rock concert there - Grand Funk Railroad and Wet Willie, July, 1974. Since then I've lived in Seattle, Los Angeles, Cleveland, and Seattle again, and over the years I've learned at least one thing that is true: Spokane may be a bunch of people living close together, but it is most definitely not a city.
 
2013-11-06 04:16:45 PM  

VarmintCong: Spokane: Reason Liberals Avoid It:  It's really close to Idaho

Ironically, when I was driving from Seattle to Glacier and my parents were flying into Spokane to meet me half way, we stayed the night in Coeur d'Alene, ID, specifically to avoid Spokane.

As for the insane ramblings of the rep from Plano, are there even any nuclear bombs that can be loaded on an F-15? I'd assume they'd use a bomber for that.


Idaho is fine. Jesus, a few White Supremacist nutjobs hang out in the upper reaches of the state, and people label(Funny thing about 'Liberals', it seems they aren't adverse to stereotyping either) the ENTIRE state. Hell, it isn't even ALL of Hayden Lake or even ALL of Couer d'Alene. I've met people from the region, and they can't believe the label, considering how small of a portion of the population they represent.
 
2013-11-06 04:21:23 PM  
Anyone who calls Nashville the Buckle of the Bible Belt has never been to Little Rock. Or the actual Bible Belt.
 
2013-11-06 04:22:00 PM  

BMulligan: Mikey1969: Um, subby? Spokane has a population of 209,000. Sounds like a "city" to me. OTOH, Silicon Valley ISN'T a city, but a region, so I'm not sure what your "point" was...

Subby here. I grew up in Hayden Lake, ID, so Spokane represented "the city" to me as a youth. I even saw my first rock concert there - Grand Funk Railroad and Wet Willie, July, 1974. Since then I've lived in Seattle, Los Angeles, Cleveland, and Seattle again, and over the years I've learned at least one thing that is true: Spokane may be a bunch of people living close together, but it is most definitely not a city.


My parents used to own a cabin right on the lagoon in Twin Lakes just up the road.  I loved that place.
 
2013-11-06 04:24:28 PM  

BMulligan: Mikey1969: Um, subby? Spokane has a population of 209,000. Sounds like a "city" to me. OTOH, Silicon Valley ISN'T a city, but a region, so I'm not sure what your "point" was...

Subby here. I grew up in Hayden Lake, ID, so Spokane represented "the city" to me as a youth. I even saw my first rock concert there - Grand Funk Railroad and Wet Willie, July, 1974. Since then I've lived in Seattle, Los Angeles, Cleveland, and Seattle again, and over the years I've learned at least one thing that is true: Spokane may be a bunch of people living close together, but it is most definitely not a city.


LOL, I grew up In American Falls, ID. Pocatello was "the city" to me. 54,000 strong as of 2010. In comparison, American Falls was around 3,500. That would still be fine for me. Cities make me a little nutty after awhile, but at least I got out of Phoenix. That was way too much city for me.
 
2013-11-06 04:27:19 PM  

Mikey1969: VarmintCong: Spokane: Reason Liberals Avoid It:  It's really close to Idaho

Ironically, when I was driving from Seattle to Glacier and my parents were flying into Spokane to meet me half way, we stayed the night in Coeur d'Alene, ID, specifically to avoid Spokane.

As for the insane ramblings of the rep from Plano, are there even any nuclear bombs that can be loaded on an F-15? I'd assume they'd use a bomber for that.

Idaho is fine. Jesus, a few White Supremacist nutjobs hang out in the upper reaches of the state, and people label(Funny thing about 'Liberals', it seems they aren't adverse to stereotyping either) the ENTIRE state. Hell, it isn't even ALL of Hayden Lake or even ALL of Couer d'Alene. I've met people from the region, and they can't believe the label, considering how small of a portion of the population they represent.


Years before Richard Butler and his goons moved to town, my dad hired a guy from Trinidad. He received multiple death threats. It was the kind of place where everyone knew the sheriff beat his wife and daughters but re-elected him anyway because he didn't "mollycoddle" the prisoners. Don't tell me how wonderful the people of Hayden Lake and Coeur d'Alene are - they're mostly a bunch of vicious, small minded bigots.
 
2013-11-06 04:34:02 PM  

Mikey1969: Funny thing about 'Liberals', it seems they aren't adverse to stereotyping either)


My stereotype of Idaho is "They have potatoes."

And by "potatoes", I mean actual potatoes. The food item.

Painting with a broad brush, are we?
 
2013-11-06 04:34:29 PM  

BMulligan: Mikey1969: Um, subby? Spokane has a population of 209,000. Sounds like a "city" to me. OTOH, Silicon Valley ISN'T a city, but a region, so I'm not sure what your "point" was...

Subby here. I grew up in Hayden Lake, ID, so Spokane represented "the city" to me as a youth. I even saw my first rock concert there - Grand Funk Railroad and Wet Willie, July, 1974. Since then I've lived in Seattle, Los Angeles, Cleveland, and Seattle again, and over the years I've learned at least one thing that is true: Spokane may be a bunch of people living close together, but it is most definitely not a city.


The best way to see Spokane is in your rear view mirror.
 
2013-11-06 04:36:01 PM  

Fart_Machine: Also why the fark would anyone recommend Anaheim? A tourist-based city that depends on a cheap immigrant workforce? Ok that sounds about right.


And the real Anaheim, not around Disneyland or the arenas, is kind of a shiathole. And I'm not sure that conservatives would dig living in a city bordered by Santa Ana. Too many messicans for them.
 
2013-11-06 04:38:31 PM  
I'm convinced that 80-90% of the worst people on the planet are urban conservatives.

It just takes a special kind of moral bankruptcy to interact with people who are different from you on a daily basis, and still maintain a philosophical antipathy towards them.
 
2013-11-06 04:41:42 PM  

grumpfuff: My stereotype of Idaho is "They have potatoes."


True of the Snake River Plain, but not so much once you get north of the 44th. Even though production peaked in the late 90s, we still are the largest producer in the US.
 
2013-11-06 04:44:25 PM  

grumpfuff: Mikey1969: Funny thing about 'Liberals', it seems they aren't adverse to stereotyping either)

My stereotype of Idaho is "They have potatoes."

And by "potatoes", I mean actual potatoes. The food item.

Painting with a broad brush, are we?


Nope. The OP started it, I was responding, while making a point, wondering if someone would bite. Seems like someone did. My point is that, as much as they proclaim stereotyping "bad", Liberals do it just as often, but they feel that they are personally justified, so it's OK. Just re-applying the "broad brush".
 
2013-11-06 04:44:58 PM  

HeadLever: grumpfuff: My stereotype of Idaho is "They have potatoes."

True of the Snake River Plain, but not so much once you get north of the 44th. Even though production peaked in the late 90s, we still are the largest producer in the US.


Huh. I done learned something.

However, every time I think of Idaho, the first thing that comes to mind is always George Carlin's bit about license plates.
 
2013-11-06 04:45:02 PM  

udhq: I'm convinced that 80-90% of the worst people on the planet are urban conservatives.

It just takes a special kind of moral bankruptcy to interact with people who are different from you on a daily basis, and still maintain a philosophical antipathy towards them.


I take it that the irony of your post is unintended?
 
2013-11-06 04:47:13 PM  

grumpfuff: However, every time I think of Idaho, the first thing that comes to mind is always George Carlin's bit about license plates.


yep.  Still there too. The designs change every frikken day, but that silly slogan still lives on.

www.plateshack.com
 
2013-11-06 04:47:40 PM  

jst3p: BMulligan: Mikey1969: Um, subby? Spokane has a population of 209,000. Sounds like a "city" to me. OTOH, Silicon Valley ISN'T a city, but a region, so I'm not sure what your "point" was...

Subby here. I grew up in Hayden Lake, ID, so Spokane represented "the city" to me as a youth. I even saw my first rock concert there - Grand Funk Railroad and Wet Willie, July, 1974. Since then I've lived in Seattle, Los Angeles, Cleveland, and Seattle again, and over the years I've learned at least one thing that is true: Spokane may be a bunch of people living close together, but it is most definitely not a city.

The best way to see Spokane is in your rear view mirror.


I use that joke at work, except about Tacoma. It's company policy to make fun of Tacoma.
 
2013-11-06 04:48:27 PM  

HeadLever: udhq: I'm convinced that 80-90% of the worst people on the planet are urban conservatives.

It just takes a special kind of moral bankruptcy to interact with people who are different from you on a daily basis, and still maintain a philosophical antipathy towards them.

I take it that the irony of your post is unintended?


Know how I know you learned about "irony" from Alanis Morrisette?
 
2013-11-06 04:53:38 PM  

HeadLever: grumpfuff: My stereotype of Idaho is "They have potatoes."

True of the Snake River Plain, but not so much once you get north of the 44th. Even though production peaked in the late 90s, we still are the largest producer in the US.


Are you telling me that those mountainsides don't work for farming? ;-)
 
2013-11-06 05:02:48 PM  
I'm pretty libby and I would intensely consider living in Boise if an offer came up. It's really great downtown.

The outer towns.... nope.
 
2013-11-06 05:09:33 PM  

udhq: Know how I know you learned about "irony" from Alanis Morrisette?


So it was unintended then!  Made me lol.

That post is perfectly ironic from the outside as you are exemplifying the character triats you are railing against.
 
2013-11-06 05:14:38 PM  

Lunchlady: The outer towns.... nope.


Ah, the outer towns are not all that bad.  It is not all hillbilly hell around here.  Most folks will still give you the shirt off thier backs with no questions asked.  You break down or have a flat tire around here and you can always count on somebody stopping to help.
 
2013-11-06 05:58:51 PM  

VarmintCong: Spokane: Reason Liberals Avoid It:  It's really close to Idaho

Ironically, when I was driving from Seattle to Glacier and my parents were flying into Spokane to meet me half way, we stayed the night in Coeur d'Alene, ID, specifically to avoid Spokane.

As for the insane ramblings of the rep from Plano, are there even any nuclear bombs that can be loaded on an F-15? I'd assume they'd use a bomber for that.


The F-15C Eagle is your typical, single-seat air-to-air fighter.  The F-15E Strike Eagle is sort of a beefed-up, hybrid fighter-bomber, with a pilot and a Weapons Systems Officer.

It can carry small/medium nukes.
 
2013-11-06 06:02:55 PM  
My favorite section is "Reason Liberals Stay Away".

Remember, we don't mock liberals because of what they think.  We mock them for what we THINK they think.
 
2013-11-06 06:06:03 PM  

The Lone Gunman: Remember, we don't mock liberals because of what they think. We mock them for what we THINK they think.


Pretty sure that everyone plays that game.  Much easier to tear down a strawman than actually address the real arguments.
 
2013-11-06 06:09:21 PM  

HeadLever: The Lone Gunman: Remember, we don't mock liberals because of what they think. We mock them for what we THINK they think.

Pretty sure that everyone plays that game.  Much easier to tear down a strawman than actually address the real arguments.


So vote republican.

/amidoinitrite?
 
2013-11-06 06:12:02 PM  
Having lived near Spokane (CDA, ID, where the Aryan Nation tried to recruit me) for a time before moving back home to Arizona, Spokane is much more of a city than the bedroom community of Gilbert Arizona.  Gilbert has no character, and just aspires to be Scottsdale.
 
2013-11-06 06:15:04 PM  

super_grass: So vote republican.


Vote for the person that fits your ideology best.  If the letter behind the name is all you care about then you make a good puppet.
 
2013-11-06 06:21:57 PM  
Spokanians are so dumb, they thought that by voting out Tom Foley, they were electing George Nethercutt to be Speaker of the House.  Gingrich played the citizenry like a 16th-century Stradivari.
 
2013-11-06 06:29:15 PM  
I grew up in Dallas suburbs, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies (and article).

//Richardson and Allen
///parents now up in Frisco
////basically almost every single suburb bordering Plano but never in Plano itself
\\whoooo, suburbia!
 
2013-11-06 06:36:33 PM  
Gilbert representing ;D
 
2013-11-06 06:50:11 PM  

Infobahn: Having lived near Spokane (CDA, ID, where the Aryan Nation tried to recruit me) for a time before moving back home to Arizona, Spokane is much more of a city than the bedroom community of Gilbert Arizona.  Gilbert has no character, and just aspires to be Scottsdale.


Gilbert, Arizona: What happens when you mutate the rural charm of Sioux City Iowa, the suburban sprawl of Aurora, Colorado, and the white-breaded Mormon values of Provo, Utah.

/Seriously, they could have used Peoria as a good example from Arizona
//Salmon is not as close to being "turning-it-up-to-potato" derpy as Trent Franks
 
2013-11-06 07:42:43 PM  

CPennypacker: Reason Liberals Avoid It: They don't, but the high cost of living is a challenge for lots of people.

Liberals can't afford the cost of living here because its driven up by all the liberals living here


Liberals in an area increase the property values. Gotcha.
 
2013-11-06 09:04:43 PM  
Plus, because Fort Worth is in Texas, it retains the constitutional right to secede from the U.S. if it so chooses.

Not this shiat again...
 
2013-11-06 10:11:38 PM  

Infobahn: Having lived near Spokane (CDA, ID, where the Aryan Nation tried to recruit me) for a time before moving back home to Arizona, Spokane is much more of a city than the bedroom community of Gilbert Arizona.  Gilbert has no character, and just aspires to be Scottsdale.


And Spokane is loaded with character? It's an overgrown town. The reason liberals don't live in Spokane is because there's no culture. It's not an interesting place. It's a stop on I-90 on your way to Seattle, a quiet place to raise kids, or a cheap place to live if you hate human contact.
 
2013-11-06 10:22:32 PM  

ArtemisGoldfish: Infobahn: Having lived near Spokane (CDA, ID, where the Aryan Nation tried to recruit me) for a time before moving back home to Arizona, Spokane is much more of a city than the bedroom community of Gilbert Arizona.  Gilbert has no character, and just aspires to be Scottsdale.

And Spokane is loaded with character? It's an overgrown town. The reason liberals don't live in Spokane is because there's no culture. It's not an interesting place. It's a stop on I-90 on your way to Seattle, a quiet place to raise kids, or a cheap place to live if you hate human contact.


Compared to Gilbert Arizona, Spokane is Paris.
 
2013-11-06 10:36:36 PM  

ArtemisGoldfish: And Spokane is loaded with character? It's an overgrown town. The reason liberals don't live in Spokane is because there's no culture. It's not an interesting place. It's a stop on I-90 on your way to Seattle, a quiet place to raise kids, or a cheap place to live if you hate human contact.


Quiet? Bullshiat. Riding with my parents we've been the targets in 3 different attempted carjackings. Those inner city folk must have loved our brand new '94 Izuzu Trooper.
 
2013-11-07 12:35:25 AM  

Tenatra: ArtemisGoldfish: And Spokane is loaded with character? It's an overgrown town. The reason liberals don't live in Spokane is because there's no culture. It's not an interesting place. It's a stop on I-90 on your way to Seattle, a quiet place to raise kids, or a cheap place to live if you hate human contact.

Quiet? Bullshiat. Riding with my parents we've been the targets in 3 different attempted carjackings. Those inner city folk must have loved our brand new '94 Izuzu Trooper.


Hey, the guy who stole the radio out of my shiatty SUV was pretty quiet about it.
 
2013-11-07 12:49:58 AM  
The only part of Boise that's solidly Democrat is the north end.  Out on the west side of town where I live it's chocked full of republicans and libertarians.

/still too many R's and not enough L's
 
2013-11-07 01:15:13 AM  

Tenatra: Anchorage, AK
Spokane, WA

I've lived in both of them.
No.


I was in Spokane for 4 days for a conference.  Hellllll no, never again.

Even the locals we talked to admitted the town sucked unless you had a car to GTFO and enjoy the outdoors.  So to be fair, I didn't get to experience that bit.
 
2013-11-07 01:34:37 AM  

HeadLever: The Lone Gunman: Remember, we don't mock liberals because of what they think. We mock them for what we THINK they think.

Pretty sure that everyone plays that game.  Much easier to tear down a strawman than actually address the real arguments.


I'll agree when I see an article about the most liberal cities and why conservatives avoid them (besides that there are liberals who live there).
 
2013-11-07 01:57:17 AM  
I love how they try to pretend Silicon Valley is full of secret Republicans because it's massively successful in building businesses.

Santa Clara County voted 70% Obama.  San Mateo County voted 71% Obama.  San Francisco County voted 83% Obama.  The whole area is extremely liberal, and Republicans win zero elections.

You Republicans can have all the fantastic Job Creators in Oklahoma and Mississippi.  But the center of the world's best engine for creating businesses is unambiguously blue all the way through.
 
2013-11-07 02:13:19 AM  

bdub77: Silicon Valley?

Hahahahahahahahaha.

 
2013-11-07 02:21:51 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I was in Spokane for 4 days for a conference. Hellllll no, never again.

Even the locals we talked to admitted the town sucked unless you had a car to GTFO and enjoy the outdoors. So to be fair, I didn't get to experience that bit.


Eh it's ok I guess, nothing to write home about though. They have Mt. Spokane and some hilly woodlands, it's the west side of washington that has all the cool outdoorsy stuff and it's pretty farking awesome over there. Let's say you went on some crazy bender and ended up out here (see pic below) with no recollection of how you got there, would you know you are just southwest of Spokane? or would you think that you somehow ended up in Kansas? Pretty much this is what you get in the eastern side of WA and Spokane is the best thing around.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-07 02:32:25 AM  

Tenatra: StreetlightInTheGhetto: I was in Spokane for 4 days for a conference. Hellllll no, never again.

Even the locals we talked to admitted the town sucked unless you had a car to GTFO and enjoy the outdoors. So to be fair, I didn't get to experience that bit.

Eh it's ok I guess, nothing to write home about though. They have Mt. Spokane and some hilly woodlands, it's the west side of washington that has all the cool outdoorsy stuff and it's pretty farking awesome over there. Let's say you went on some crazy bender and ended up out here (see pic below) with no recollection of how you got there, would you know you are just southwest of Spokane? or would you think that you somehow ended up in Kansas? Pretty much this is what you get in the eastern side of WA and Spokane is the best thing around.

[i.imgur.com image 850x337]


The land isn't flat enough for Kansas.
 
2013-11-07 02:41:51 AM  

Wake Up Sheeple: The land isn't flat enough for Kansas.


know how I know you've never been to eastern Kansas? I knew that comment was coming if I mentioned Kansas. Let's just say it farking sucks and about the most eventful think you drive by in eastern WA is the occasional tumbleweed.
 
2013-11-07 02:43:00 AM  
Tenatra: think thing
 
2013-11-07 02:50:47 AM  

Tenatra: Wake Up Sheeple: The land isn't flat enough for Kansas.

know how I know you've never been to eastern Kansas? I knew that comment was coming if I mentioned Kansas. Let's just say it farking sucks and about the most eventful think you drive by in eastern WA is the occasional tumbleweed.


I've been there. I was talking about once you get past Lawrence (which isn't that far from the eastern border). Most of Kansas is flat, desolate.

Why try to start a fight when most people's perceptions of Kansas would be absolutely correct if you plunked them in the middle of the state on I-70? It's 7 hours of skull numbing driving.
 
2013-11-07 02:59:54 AM  

Wake Up Sheeple: Tenatra: Wake Up Sheeple: The land isn't flat enough for Kansas.

know how I know you've never been to eastern Kansas? I knew that comment was coming if I mentioned Kansas. Let's just say it farking sucks and about the most eventful think you drive by in eastern WA is the occasional tumbleweed.

I've been there. I was talking about once you get past Lawrence (which isn't that far from the eastern border). Most of Kansas is flat, desolate.

Why try to start a fight when most people's perceptions of Kansas would be absolutely correct if you plunked them in the middle of the state on I-70? It's 7 hours of skull numbing driving.


I forgot to mention that I've been to eastern WA too. Nice rolling hills, actual forests in parts, weird gigantic potholes.
 
2013-11-07 03:14:47 AM  
Not trying to pick a fight, I live in MO and I'm in and around KS occasionally. I've never taken a straight shot through KS on the highway, just travels on the smaller roads in the state. Yes the terrain isn't hilly but in my experience it consists of gentle hills. I just referred to the eastern side since those hills are like mountains for a lifelong resident of the state. :p
 
2013-11-07 07:06:32 AM  
colorado springs is cool and ft worth isn't bad
 
2013-11-07 07:11:22 AM  
from experience i can say that it is better living in the country than in a city; less pollution, crime, waste, etc. I think the only think i miss is convenient grocery stores.
 
2013-11-07 10:30:17 AM  

The Lone Gunman: I'll agree when I see an article about the most liberal cities and why conservatives avoid them (besides that there are liberals who live there).


That demand has nothing to do with the premis of the argument.
 
2013-11-07 10:48:29 AM  

Tenatra: Not trying to pick a fight, I live in MO and I'm in and around KS occasionally. I've never taken a straight shot through KS on the highway, just travels on the smaller roads in the state. Yes the terrain isn't hilly but in my experience it consists of gentle hills. I just referred to the eastern side since those hills are like mountains for a lifelong resident of the state. :p


The hills are noticeable because of the massive land area. The whole of Kansas is literally flatter than a pancake.
 
2013-11-07 11:48:39 AM  
Spokane is dirty, hot, full of weeds, racist, stupid, and not very well planned out.

I spent ten years too long in that crap hole.
 
2013-11-07 01:44:00 PM  

HeadLever: The Lone Gunman: I'll agree when I see an article about the most liberal cities and why conservatives avoid them (besides that there are liberals who live there).

That demand has nothing to do with the premis of the argument.


The premise of your argument is "both sides do it".  The problem is that they don't.

For example, just today Senator Ted Cruz said that Obama should stay out of Texas when he goes around promoting Obamacare.  Have you ever heard of an elected Democrat saying something like that?

I'm saying that "Both sides are wrong" is a common argument that conservatives make to say "We're wrong, but since we can't ADMIT that we're wrong, we'll say that the other side is equally wrong".  And when that's not the case, I'll dispute it.  It's not a strawman.
 
2013-11-07 02:26:38 PM  

The Lone Gunman: The premise of your argument is "both sides do it".


The problem with your argument here is that you don't follow through with what 'it' entails and then to move the goalpost to a strawman involving convenient talking points.  My premis is that 'both sides mock the other, not because of what the other side thinks but for what theyTHINK the other side thinks'.

If you want to keep arguing on the actual merits of my argument, that is fine.  If you want to beat up a strawman, you can do that too - just don't pretend that it has anything to do with the original premise.
 
2013-11-07 09:58:43 PM  

HeadLever: The Lone Gunman: The premise of your argument is "both sides do it".

The problem with your argument here is that you don't follow through with what 'it' entails and then to move the goalpost to a strawman involving convenient talking points.  My premis is that 'both sides mock the other, not because of what the other side thinks but for what theyTHINK the other side thinks'.

If you want to keep arguing on the actual merits of my argument, that is fine.  If you want to beat up a strawman, you can do that too - just don't pretend that it has anything to do with the original premise.


I've found that a lot of people use the term "strawman" like the use "non sequitur":  Like the mere act of using that phrase magically makes it so.

And my argument is that both sides do not do it equally.  And when someone says "Both sides do it" without qualifying it, then that's clearly what they're saying.
 
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