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2013-11-06 10:54:33 AM
Dredd was better.
 
2013-11-06 11:18:44 AM
Don't see it....www.2000adonline.com
 
2013-11-06 11:26:25 AM
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2013-11-06 11:31:40 AM
That was a really fun movie to see in a small theater full of fans of the genre.
 
2013-11-06 11:36:42 AM

scottydoesntknow: Dredd was better.


I'm sorry, which one had an insanely intense three-man fight scene which ends with someone being shanked in the neck by the shards of a fluorescent light bulb?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Dredd.
 
2013-11-06 11:39:09 AM

nmrsnr: scottydoesntknow: Dredd was better.

I'm sorry, which one had an insanely intense three-man fight scene which ends with someone being shanked in the neck by the shards of a fluorescent light bulb?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Dredd.


Which one had a plot that was actually worth following, characters that were actually interesting, and wasn't just Kung Fu porn?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't The Raid.
 
2013-11-06 11:46:26 AM
Ain't nothing wrong with kung fu porn
 
2013-11-06 11:49:33 AM

scottydoesntknow: Which one had a plot that was actually worth following, characters that were actually interesting, and wasn't just Kung Fu porn?I'm pretty sure it wasn't The Raid.


The plot of Dredd was just as much a contrived way of getting bad ass hero locked in a tower filled with bad guys. I'll grant you that Lena Headey was a better character than the bad guy in The Raid, but Rama and Dredd were equally useless ciphers who just went around wreaking havoc. Bottom line is I go to an action movie for the action, and The Raid wins in the ass-kicking department hands down..
 
2013-11-06 11:50:38 AM
Oh, and just for the record, I really, really liked Dredd.
 
2013-11-06 11:56:32 AM

nmrsnr: scottydoesntknow: Which one had a plot that was actually worth following, characters that were actually interesting, and wasn't just Kung Fu porn?I'm pretty sure it wasn't The Raid.

The plot of Dredd was just as much a contrived way of getting bad ass hero locked in a tower filled with bad guys. I'll grant you that Lena Headey was a better character than the bad guy in The Raid, but Rama and Dredd were equally useless ciphers who just went around wreaking havoc. Bottom line is I go to an action movie for the action, and The Raid wins in the ass-kicking department hands down..


Ehh different strokes for different folks.

I watched The Raid once just to see it. I enjoyed it (like you said you enjoyed Dredd), but haven't watched it since.

I've watched Dredd at least a dozen times.
 
2013-11-06 12:54:59 PM
www.washingtonpost.com
/Yes, Dredd is superior, but The Raid was FUN.
 
2013-11-06 12:56:25 PM

scottydoesntknow: I've watched Dredd at least a dozen times.


Dredd was so good for what it was.  A brutal, 90's-esque tight action flick.  I understand that it was fairly low budget - good to see someone willing to make unapologetic films like that.

Haven't seen the Raid, but its in my Netflix queue.
 
2013-11-06 12:58:17 PM
So dredd copied it, didn't really make sense, filled other parts of the movie with stereotypical and predictable events, and then people argue that it's better.

It's a good movie but c'mon.

Wow this trailer got me pumped.
 
2013-11-06 01:01:44 PM

scottydoesntknow: nmrsnr: scottydoesntknow: Which one had a plot that was actually worth following, characters that were actually interesting, and wasn't just Kung Fu porn?I'm pretty sure it wasn't The Raid.

The plot of Dredd was just as much a contrived way of getting bad ass hero locked in a tower filled with bad guys. I'll grant you that Lena Headey was a better character than the bad guy in The Raid, but Rama and Dredd were equally useless ciphers who just went around wreaking havoc. Bottom line is I go to an action movie for the action, and The Raid wins in the ass-kicking department hands down..

Ehh different strokes for different folks.

I watched The Raid once just to see it. I enjoyed it (like you said you enjoyed Dredd), but haven't watched it since.

I've watched Dredd at least a dozen times.


I've seen only both once, and I would see both again.
 
2013-11-06 01:06:14 PM

thecpt: So dredd copied it, didn't really make sense, filled other parts of the movie with stereotypical and predictable events, and then people argue that it's better.

It's a good movie but c'mon.

Wow this trailer got me pumped.


Yep, except for that little part where the Dredd script and pre-production for it began well before The Raid had a script. But besides that, total copy of it.
 
2013-11-06 01:07:56 PM

nmrsnr: scottydoesntknow: Dredd was better.

I'm sorry, which one had an insanely intense three-man fight scene which ends with someone being shanked in the neck by the shards of a fluorescent light bulb?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Dredd.


OK, Of the two that I haven't seen, I know which to see now.
 
2013-11-06 01:11:17 PM
i didnt find dredd that good. the slomo thing was super cheesy and the fight choreography sucked compared to the raid.
 
2013-11-06 01:23:17 PM

scottydoesntknow: thecpt: So dredd copied it, didn't really make sense, filled other parts of the movie with stereotypical and predictable events, and then people argue that it's better.

It's a good movie but c'mon.

Wow this trailer got me pumped.

Yep, except for that little part where the Dredd script and pre-production for it began well before The Raid had a script. But besides that, total copy of it.


So the defense is the timelines don't add up and the writer was inspired by assault on precinct 13. Why in the hell are they so ridiculously similar during the announcement scene? I will admit if I'm wrong but I can't find any specifics
 
2013-11-06 01:26:26 PM
Yay!
 
2013-11-06 01:27:38 PM
Both the Raid and Dredd were great movies. Both movies are how Action Films should be. Over the top in every single way, never dull, and always entertaining. You don't need a deep script, just be creative.
 
2013-11-06 01:32:03 PM

scottydoesntknow: Which one had a plot that was actually worth following, characters that were actually interesting, and wasn't just Kung Fu porn?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't The Raid.


Pretty sure it wasn't Dredd either.
 
2013-11-06 01:33:43 PM

thecpt: scottydoesntknow: thecpt: So dredd copied it, didn't really make sense, filled other parts of the movie with stereotypical and predictable events, and then people argue that it's better.

It's a good movie but c'mon.

Wow this trailer got me pumped.

Yep, except for that little part where the Dredd script and pre-production for it began well before The Raid had a script. But besides that, total copy of it.

So the defense is the timelines don't add up and the writer was inspired by assault on precinct 13. Why in the hell are they so ridiculously similar during the announcement scene? I will admit if I'm wrong but I can't find any specifics


Dredd started filming in the winter of 2010 (the script was completed sometime in 2009)

The Raid began filming March 2011.

It really was just a complete coincidence.
 
2013-11-06 01:34:19 PM

scottydoesntknow: Kung Fu porn?


Also: KUNG FU PORN IS BEST PORN.
 
2013-11-06 01:37:53 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Both the Raid and Dredd were great movies. Both movies are how Action Films should be. Over the top in every single way, never dull, and always entertaining. You don't need a deep script, just be creative.


Action movies are about pacing, both had really well done pacing. Moments of levity were short and sweet often punctuated with a bang at the end and the moments of sustained action. Only thing I wished from both movies were more long track shots, really well done long track shots during an action sequence can just amplify things to the nth degree.
 
2013-11-06 01:39:41 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: scottydoesntknow: Kung Fu porn?

Also: KUNG FU PORN IS BEST PORN.


There's Also Hong Kong Blood Opera.
 
2013-11-06 01:39:43 PM

scottydoesntknow: nmrsnr: scottydoesntknow: Which one had a plot that was actually worth following, characters that were actually interesting, and wasn't just Kung Fu porn?I'm pretty sure it wasn't The Raid.

The plot of Dredd was just as much a contrived way of getting bad ass hero locked in a tower filled with bad guys. I'll grant you that Lena Headey was a better character than the bad guy in The Raid, but Rama and Dredd were equally useless ciphers who just went around wreaking havoc. Bottom line is I go to an action movie for the action, and The Raid wins in the ass-kicking department hands down..

Ehh different strokes for different folks.

I watched The Raid once just to see it. I enjoyed it (like you said you enjoyed Dredd), but haven't watched it since.

I've watched Dredd at least a dozen times.


Oddly enough, i've done the same.
 
2013-11-06 01:40:50 PM

scottydoesntknow: thecpt: scottydoesntknow: thecpt: So dredd copied it, didn't really make sense, filled other parts of the movie with stereotypical and predictable events, and then people argue that it's better.

It's a good movie but c'mon.

Wow this trailer got me pumped.

Yep, except for that little part where the Dredd script and pre-production for it began well before The Raid had a script. But besides that, total copy of it.

So the defense is the timelines don't add up and the writer was inspired by assault on precinct 13. Why in the hell are they so ridiculously similar during the announcement scene? I will admit if I'm wrong but I can't find any specifics

Dredd started filming in the winter of 2010 (the script was completed sometime in 2009)

The Raid began filming March 2011.

It really was just a complete coincidence.


They didn't have ma ma on board until January 2011, and preproduction of the raid started dec 2010. So there is 4 months where filming could have started for dredd but they couldn't have done the announcement scene (although it could've been written but I can't find when the finished script was done). I just don't see how this could be that open and shut granted garland is probably more respected. Is there a dredd comic they were using?
 
2013-11-06 01:50:54 PM

vudukungfu: OK, Of the two that I haven't seen, I know which to see now.


Do yourself a favor and watch both. I think The Raid is superior, but it's like choosing between Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch.
 
2013-11-06 01:54:39 PM

nmrsnr: vudukungfu: OK, Of the two that I haven't seen, I know which to see now.

Do yourself a favor and watch both. I think The Raid is superior, but it's like choosing between Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch.


That.

Both are awesome.
 
2013-11-06 01:55:05 PM

scottydoesntknow: Dredd was better


I'd wait for the Dredd 2 thread to make a post derailing it about how The Raid was better, but I'd be waiting forever.
 
2013-11-06 01:55:18 PM

thecpt: They didn't have ma ma on board until January 2011, and preproduction of the raid started dec 2010. So there is 4 months where filming could have started for dredd but they couldn't have done the announcement scene (although it could've been written but I can't find when the finished script was done). I just don't see how this could be that open and shut granted garland is probably more respected. Is there a dredd comic they were using?


The screenplay was penned by Garland but had the full blessing of Wagner (read creator of Dredd) WELL before even preproduction kicked off, as he wouldn't go through with the project unless he had the full backing of the creators. Wagner was even instrumental in giving Garland some ideas as he had scrapped his original screenplay for the tower idea.

The Anderson character was a creation of Wagner, penned to completion by Garland.

Mama was late cast because everyone initially approached either didn't fit, couldn't afford, or couldn't schedule it in, or my guess is truthfully didn't want to do it. So they ended up going with a wide casting call, which obviously takes time.

Also when in a project, once a movie goes into pre-production, typically the larger plot points, dialogue, etc.. have all been written and are then to be interpreted by the director as they put it to film. So the plot point of Mama, the tower, etc.. would have already been settled well before pre-production or even casting for that matter.

http://www.cinemareview.com/production.asp?prodid=10126
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dredd#Production

It was just one of those odd little coincidences
 
2013-11-06 01:55:30 PM

nmrsnr: vudukungfu: OK, Of the two that I haven't seen, I know which to see now.

Do yourself a favor and watch both. I think The Raid is superior, but it's like choosing between Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch.


Yea, I'll agree with this. Both have their merits.

If you want tons of people being shot/burned/falling to their death in various ways, choose Dredd.

If you want tons of people being punched/kicked/stabbed/etc. in various ways, watch The Raid.
 
2013-11-06 01:56:06 PM

nmrsnr: vudukungfu: OK, Of the two that I haven't seen, I know which to see now.

Do yourself a favor and watch both. I think The Raid is superior, but it's like choosing between Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch.


Yep.  Plots were somewhat similar, but the action in both were very different and well done.
 
2013-11-06 01:56:34 PM
FTA: The Raid was one of the best films of 2011

And I stopped reading after that.

/watched that overhyped movie
//meh
 
2013-11-06 01:56:42 PM

Lumbar Puncture: I'd wait for the Dredd 2 thread to make a post derailing it about how The Raid was better, but I'd be waiting forever.


Urban said he was up for it, the studios wanted to wait to see what DVD sales would do, and hey a brother man has to eat and can't wait around forever so he started doing TV.

Same thing pretty much happened to Punisher, Jane said he wanted to do it, the studios drug their feet and he said fark it I gotta work.
 
2013-11-06 01:57:09 PM
Hope there's a Dredd sequel, I found The Raid to be okay however it felt at times that there was unnecessary over the top violence. I mean at least Dredd had an excuse; civilization went to hell. Raid was just messy at times.

Also looking forward to the new Police Story movie.
 
2013-11-06 01:59:11 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: Same thing pretty much happened to Punisher, Jane said he wanted to do it, the studios drug their feet and he said fark it I gotta work.


But Jane was awesome enough to do the Dirty Laundry short, which was better than all Punisher attempts before it combined.
 
2013-11-06 01:59:32 PM
That was a dam good trailer! Looking forward to R 2.

\ pretty sure dude did get shanked in the neck in The Raid Redemption.
 
2013-11-06 02:00:47 PM

scottydoesntknow: nmrsnr: vudukungfu: OK, Of the two that I haven't seen, I know which to see now.

Do yourself a favor and watch both. I think The Raid is superior, but it's like choosing between Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch.

Yea, I'll agree with this. Both have their merits.

If you want tons of people being shot/burned/falling to their death in various ways, choose Dredd.

If you want tons of people being punched/kicked/stabbed/etc. in various ways, watch The Raid.


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2013-11-06 02:03:52 PM

scottydoesntknow: thecpt: scottydoesntknow: thecpt: So dredd copied it, didn't really make sense, filled other parts of the movie with stereotypical and predictable events, and then people argue that it's better.

It's a good movie but c'mon.

Wow this trailer got me pumped.

Yep, except for that little part where the Dredd script and pre-production for it began well before The Raid had a script. But besides that, total copy of it.

So the defense is the timelines don't add up and the writer was inspired by assault on precinct 13. Why in the hell are they so ridiculously similar during the announcement scene? I will admit if I'm wrong but I can't find any specifics

Dredd started filming in the winter of 2010 (the script was completed sometime in 2009)

The Raid began filming March 2011.

It really was just a complete coincidence.


Just like the first issue of walking dead and the opening of 28 days later.
 
2013-11-06 02:06:36 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: thecpt: They didn't have ma ma on board until January 2011, and preproduction of the raid started dec 2010. So there is 4 months where filming could have started for dredd but they couldn't have done the announcement scene (although it could've been written but I can't find when the finished script was done). I just don't see how this could be that open and shut granted garland is probably more respected. Is there a dredd comic they were using?

The screenplay was penned by Garland but had the full blessing of Wagner (read creator of Dredd) WELL before even preproduction kicked off, as he wouldn't go through with the project unless he had the full backing of the creators. Wagner was even instrumental in giving Garland some ideas as he had scrapped his original screenplay for the tower idea.

The Anderson character was a creation of Wagner, penned to completion by Garland.

Mama was late cast because everyone initially approached either didn't fit, couldn't afford, or couldn't schedule it in, or my guess is truthfully didn't want to do it. So they ended up going with a wide casting call, which obviously takes time.

Also when in a project, once a movie goes into pre-production, typically the larger plot points, dialogue, etc.. have all been written and are then to be interpreted by the director as they put it to film. So the plot point of Mama, the tower, etc.. would have already been settled well before pre-production or even casting for that matter.

http://www.cinemareview.com/production.asp?prodid=10126
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dredd#Production

It was just one of those odd little coincidences


Alright. It's just from what I read it sounded like garland couldn't get the script right and made multiple ones. How the announcement scene was shot almost identically (maybe I'm imagining it) is kind of the attention grabber to me.

Anyways, why the fark did the thread have to start off with that shiat.
 
2013-11-06 02:06:37 PM

scottydoesntknow: But Jane was awesome enough to do the Dirty Laundry short, which was better than all Punisher attempts before it combined.


That could very easily be the opening sequence for a sequel. Just have that as his impetus for coming out of retirement because in an attempt to revenge kill for the death of their drug pusher, it ends up he was connected to the Columbian Mafia and the failed hit kills the kid he helped. The kid dies while wearing the shirt, and through the rest of the film we see the punisher wearing this blood stained reminder until it ends at a Columbia fortress where he lays scorch earth down and kills and blows everything up. Film ends with him being taken into custody by the CIA because that cartel was under watch.

After credits shot show him finding files that the true Cartel leader is working with the CIA to smuggle drugs for weapons and the leader is in a federal penitentiary, hence his reasoning for being taken into custody.
 
2013-11-06 02:07:46 PM

thecpt: Alright. It's just from what I read it sounded like garland couldn't get the script right and made multiple ones. How the announcement scene was shot almost identically (maybe I'm imagining it) is kind of the attention grabber to me.


I imagine look hard enough and you could find similarities in all action movies, they are by their definition pretty simple beasts
 
2013-11-06 02:08:49 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: scottydoesntknow: But Jane was awesome enough to do the Dirty Laundry short, which was better than all Punisher attempts before it combined.

That could very easily be the opening sequence for a sequel. Just have that as his impetus for coming out of retirement because in an attempt to revenge kill for the death of their drug pusher, it ends up he was connected to the Columbian Mafia and the failed hit kills the kid he helped. The kid dies while wearing the shirt, and through the rest of the film we see the punisher wearing this blood stained reminder until it ends at a Columbia fortress where he lays scorch earth down and kills and blows everything up. Film ends with him being taken into custody by the CIA because that cartel was under watch.

After credits shot show him finding files that the true Cartel leader is working with the CIA to smuggle drugs for weapons and the leader is in a federal penitentiary, hence his reasoning for being taken into custody.


gifrific.com
 
2013-11-06 02:09:26 PM

thecpt: Anyways, why the fark did the thread have to start off with that shiat.


Heh, I'm sorry couldn't help it. I rarely shiat all over threads, but I did it this time.

My bad.
 
2013-11-06 02:15:25 PM

scottydoesntknow: thecpt: Anyways, why the fark did the thread have to start off with that shiat.

Heh, I'm sorry couldn't help it. I rarely shiat all over threads, but I did it this time.

My bad.


What evs. We'll see if raid 2 can make something original plot wise. I totally plan on catching this in a loud theater.
 
2013-11-06 02:18:23 PM

thecpt: scottydoesntknow: thecpt: Anyways, why the fark did the thread have to start off with that shiat.

Heh, I'm sorry couldn't help it. I rarely shiat all over threads, but I did it this time.

My bad.

What evs. We'll see if raid 2 can make something original plot wise. I totally plan on catching this in a loud theater.


Is it going to be a theatrical release in America? I could've sworn the first one was direct-to-DVD here.
 
2013-11-06 02:18:59 PM
I really outta start writing these ideas down and actually sending them in

Course no one realizes you actually make shiat writing in Hollywood most of the time, since most of the time your initial synopsis is then purchased and given to someone else, so you'll never see the 500k+ a script will earn over its lifetime from birth to filming
 
2013-11-06 02:22:27 PM

scottydoesntknow: thecpt: scottydoesntknow: thecpt: Anyways, why the fark did the thread have to start off with that shiat.

Heh, I'm sorry couldn't help it. I rarely shiat all over threads, but I did it this time.

My bad.

What evs. We'll see if raid 2 can make something original plot wise. I totally plan on catching this in a loud theater.

Is it going to be a theatrical release in America? I could've sworn the first one was direct-to-DVD here.


1st one had a very limited American release.  I watched it in an art house theater.  Theater broke into applause when the guy got the light tube tracheotomy which was kind of great and disturbing.
 
2013-11-06 02:25:54 PM

scottydoesntknow: thecpt: scottydoesntknow: thecpt: Anyways, why the fark did the thread have to start off with that shiat.

Heh, I'm sorry couldn't help it. I rarely shiat all over threads, but I did it this time.

My bad.

What evs. We'll see if raid 2 can make something original plot wise. I totally plan on catching this in a loud theater.

Is it going to be a theatrical release in America? I could've sworn the first one was direct-to-DVD here.


March release in the us I've read. Probably select cities, but now I live in one of those. This is like the one perk
 
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