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(CBS News)   Marvel Comics says a Muslim teenager will succeed Carol Danvers as the new Ms. Marvel. Probably a good bet she won't be wearing the old French-cut lightning bolt swimsuit though   (cbsnews.com) divider line 65
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2013-11-06 10:06:08 AM  
She can grow and shrink her limbs and her body and, Willow said, ultimately, she'll be able to shape shift into other forms.

So they also changed her from Kree to Skrull?
 
2013-11-06 10:17:36 AM  
Well, at she probably won't have a drinking problem.
 
2013-11-06 10:21:34 AM  
I hope she's allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia, or to educate herself in Afghanistan.  Otherwise, what good are her superpowers, really?
 
2013-11-06 10:24:44 AM  

I_C_Weener: I hope she's allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia, or to educate herself in Afghanistan.  Otherwise, what good are her superpowers, really?


I was thinking that her parents rarely letting her out of the house was really going to cramp her heroeing time.   Based on the sincerity of the writer and editor to make this authentic, I wouldn't doubt that that becomes a plot element.
 
2013-11-06 10:39:03 AM  
Dust. Another Marvel Muslim character.
 
2013-11-06 11:03:51 AM  
I really hate the concept of different folks "taking over" as a hero except maybe for Green Lantern because that is more of a standard issue corps uniform than a unique identity. Kill off characters or have them retire I don't care. Hell have them pass over their duties to an appointed predecessor but let the new character create their own identity and have a new name. This is almost as dumb as putting Lando into Han's clothes just because he was sitting the pilot's seat of the Millenium Falcon
 
2013-11-06 11:07:14 AM  
I'm all for creating a more diverse cast of heroes across Marvel, but I hate that they act like it's because of 'growing demographics.' Your readership is still over 90% male & the same people who have always read your comics. (Yeah, it's a study of DC readers but it's likely the same for Marvel) So basically, keep creating more diverse characters, but do it because it's interesting and offers new, good material, don't act like it's because you have some kind of new demographic to cater to.
 
2013-11-06 11:08:04 AM  

texdent: Dust. Another Marvel Muslim character.


Also Monet ("M") St. Croix.  I still laugh at her line about being a "Super-strong Muslim mutant with PMS."
 
2013-11-06 11:10:28 AM  

unyon: I_C_Weener: I hope she's allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia, or to educate herself in Afghanistan.  Otherwise, what good are her superpowers, really?

I was thinking that her parents rarely letting her out of the house was really going to cramp her heroeing time.   Based on the sincerity of the writer and editor to make this authentic, I wouldn't doubt that that becomes a plot element.


She a superhero, don't expect her parents to hang around too long.
 
2013-11-06 11:11:34 AM  

NuttierThanEver: I really hate the concept of different folks "taking over" as a hero except maybe for Green Lantern because that is more of a standard issue corps uniform than a unique identity. Kill off characters or have them retire I don't care. Hell have them pass over their duties to an appointed predecessor but let the new character create their own identity and have a new name. This is almost as dumb as putting Lando into Han's clothes just because he was sitting the pilot's seat of the Millenium Falcon


Or the Novas, for the Marvel counterpart to the Green Lanterns.  But in general, yeah I agree with this.
 
2013-11-06 11:17:49 AM  

NuttierThanEver: I really hate the concept of different folks "taking over" as a hero except maybe for Green Lantern because that is more of a standard issue corps uniform than a unique identity. Kill off characters or have them retire I don't care. Hell have them pass over their duties to an appointed predecessor but let the new character create their own identity and have a new name. This is almost as dumb as putting Lando into Han's clothes just because he was sitting the pilot's seat of the Millenium Falcon


Or putting Lando into Leia's clothes.... ew.
 
2013-11-06 11:22:51 AM  
Really? The takeaway from that headline is geek outrage? I took something else entirely...

th03.deviantart.net
R.I.P Costume...
 
2013-11-06 11:28:58 AM  

minnesotaboy: Really? The takeaway from that headline is geek outrage? I took something else entirely...

[th03.deviantart.net image 850x394]
R.I.P Costume...


Oh god, really?!  Who was the dumbass that decided to thong out her look for this?!
 
2013-11-06 11:30:35 AM  
<troll>

 Origin: Merges with a Skrull and wears a hijab to cover that ugly chin?

Powers: Can explode at the border of any country?
</troll>

I suspect this would be better as a photoshop thread.
 
2013-11-06 11:40:09 AM  
See, this kind of pandering bullshiat is just really stupid. Yes, there are intelligent young Muslim women out in the world, and yes, they are capable of great things.

The problem is the abusive, repressive, and often murderous societies that these young women are born into, and who we read about them being brutally assaulted, burned, tortured, raped, stoned to death, and even honor killed by their families for the crimes of being a Muslim woman.

Show a response to THAT if you want to make a statement. Ms. Mindy Marvel just screams of trying to market to teenage girls, which there are way better characters for them to emulate.
 
2013-11-06 11:43:02 AM  

NuttierThanEver: I really hate the concept of different folks "taking over" as a hero except maybe for Green Lantern because that is more of a standard issue corps uniform than a unique identity. Kill off characters or have them retire I don't care. Hell have them pass over their duties to an appointed predecessor but let the new character create their own identity and have a new name. This is almost as dumb as putting Lando into Han's clothes just because he was sitting the pilot's seat of the Millenium Falcon


Well, you gotta keep the trademark.

/also, the original Ms. Marvel didn't retire or die
//she just goes by Captain Marvel now
///again, gotta keep that trademark
 
2013-11-06 11:45:14 AM  

houstondragon: See, this kind of pandering bullshiat is just really stupid. Yes, there are intelligent young Muslim women out in the world, and yes, they are capable of great things.

The problem is the abusive, repressive, and often murderous societies that these young women are born into, and who we read about them being brutally assaulted, burned, tortured, raped, stoned to death, and even honor killed by their families for the crimes of being a Muslim woman.

Show a response to THAT if you want to make a statement. Ms. Mindy Marvel just screams of trying to market to teenage girls, which there are way better characters for them to emulate.


You realize that the character is an American Muslim, right?

Jesus farking Christ, man.  Do you think we need to have every Christian character be a response to what's going on in Nigeria, too?
 
2013-11-06 11:48:55 AM  

houstondragon: See, this kind of pandering bullshiat is just really stupid. Yes, there are intelligent young Muslim women out in the world, and yes, they are capable of great things.

The problem is the abusive, repressive, and often murderous societies that these young women are born into, and who we read about them being brutally assaulted, burned, tortured, raped, stoned to death, and even honor killed by their families for the crimes of being a Muslim woman.

Show a response to THAT if you want to make a statement. Ms. Mindy Marvel just screams of trying to market to teenage girls, which there are way better characters for them to emulate.


Given that she's growing up in the US, and that these aren't problems for US Muslims, why on earth would any of this be part of her identity? And "...there are way better characters for them to emulate"? Nice attempt at concern trolling there, but you gave up the game in your last sentence. Why would a liberated US Muslim girl whose story doesn't valorize any of the non-religious cultural norms you are pointing our above be a "worse" character to emulate unless her being Muslim was the thing you really had a problem with?
 
2013-11-06 11:49:43 AM  
Put her in a full burka and have her randomly crash into stuff.
 
2013-11-06 11:53:05 AM  

minnesotaboy: Really? The takeaway from that headline is geek outrage? I took something else entirely...

[th03.deviantart.net image 850x394]
R.I.P Costume...


She hasn't worn that costume for a while, but that does bring up the question I was wondering:

What happens/happened to Carol Danver's?  Last I checked she was still the reigning Ms. Marvel.
Are the kicking her character to the curb yet again?  I haven't read much of her new title, but from
what I had, it was strong on the very kind of human interest and character development that they seem to have as a goal for this "new" title.

Sad thing is, instead of taking the nom de plume of an existing character, the company has a great name for a new teenage character with superpowers that they haven't used in ages:  Marvel Girl.
 
2013-11-06 11:53:43 AM  

mikebellman: <troll>

 Origin: Merges with a Skrull and wears a hijab to cover that ugly chin?

Powers: Can explode at the border of any country?
</troll>

I suspect this would be better as a photoshop thread.


So, she is more of a retarded Damage then Mrs. Marvel. Is Damage even still around?
 
2013-11-06 11:53:45 AM  

Seequinn: What happens/happened to Carol Danver's? Last I checked she was still the reigning Ms. Marvel.


Last time you checked must have been a few years ago.  Now, she's Captain Marvel.
 
2013-11-06 12:08:38 PM  
Here's what I want to know. Why does it matter what farking imaginary sky god a comics character prays to? Why is it even brought up at all other than a passing mention in a single issue somewhere down the line? Who gives a flying fark? Is it going to be a recurring part of the book and an actual important part of the character like Nightcrawler?
 
2013-11-06 12:10:17 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Here's what I want to know. Why does it matter what farking imaginary sky god a comics character prays to? Why is it even brought up at all other than a passing mention in a single issue somewhere down the line? Who gives a flying fark? Is it going to be a recurring part of the book and an actual important part of the character like Nightcrawler?


Considering the book is being overseen by a female Muslim editor, who expressed a desire to make a comic to speak to the experiences she had growing up, it most likely will be an important part of the character.
 
2013-11-06 12:10:41 PM  

Seequinn: Marvel Girl


Marvel Girl is what Jean Grey used to go by. Her past self now in the present may be using that name.
 
2013-11-06 12:11:08 PM  
I went into the article with a healthy dose of skepticism, saw the writer was G. Willow Wilson, and decided to give the new series a storyline's worth of issues to see how it shakes up.  She's a good writer, can pull off a lively story that's fun to read, and has the background to do the character right.
 
2013-11-06 12:13:45 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Here's what I want to know. Why does it matter what farking imaginary sky god a comics character prays to? Why is it even brought up at all other than a passing mention in a single issue somewhere down the line? Who gives a flying fark? Is it going to be a recurring part of the book and an actual important part of the character like Nightcrawler?


Tough answer: Getting more people to read comics

Simple answer: Money
 
2013-11-06 12:16:43 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: I'm all for creating a more diverse cast of heroes across Marvel, but I hate that they act like it's because of 'growing demographics.' Your readership is still over 90% male & the same people who have always read your comics. (Yeah, it's a study of DC readers but it's likely the same for Marvel) So basically, keep creating more diverse characters, but do it because it's interesting and offers new, good material, don't act like it's because you have some kind of new demographic to cater to.


With readership well down, that almost exclusively 90% pasty white male demo is part of the problem.  If publishers want to stay in business, they need new readers.  And, like with video games, there's no reason those new participants can't come from new demos.

Your logic is to write to the audience.  Aren't there enough spandexed behemoths with buxom sidekicks traipsing around the superhero universe already?
 
2013-11-06 12:17:50 PM  

minnesotaboy: Really? The takeaway from that headline is geek outrage? I took something else entirely...

[th03.deviantart.net image 850x394]
R.I.P Costume...


You know... it occurs to me that if anyone comes out with a line of superhero Real Dolls, they will seriously clean up...
 
2013-11-06 12:22:57 PM  

alkhemy: You know... it occurs to me that if anyone comes out with a line of superhero Real Dolls, they will seriously clean up...


or you know you could talk to a real girl.

img9.imageshack.us
 
2013-11-06 12:27:47 PM  

unyon: Bareefer Obonghit: I'm all for creating a more diverse cast of heroes across Marvel, but I hate that they act like it's because of 'growing demographics.' Your readership is still over 90% male & the same people who have always read your comics. (Yeah, it's a study of DC readers but it's likely the same for Marvel) So basically, keep creating more diverse characters, but do it because it's interesting and offers new, good material, don't act like it's because you have some kind of new demographic to cater to.

With readership well down, that almost exclusively 90% pasty white male demo is part of the problem.  If publishers want to stay in business, they need new readers.  And, like with video games, there's no reason those new participants can't come from new demos.

Your logic is to write to the audience.  Aren't there enough spandexed behemoths with buxom sidekicks traipsing around the superhero universe already?


No, no, I'm not saying to write to the audience in the least. What I'm saying is that they're doing the right thing but saying it's because of some growing demo that's nonexistent. Just say you're doing it because it makes for better, new stories. Don't lie about who your readership is.
 
2013-11-06 12:27:51 PM  
But she won't be able to eat bacon.

And everyone knows....superheroes get their amazing powers from delicious bacon.
 
2013-11-06 12:29:50 PM  
Sorry, but there's only one Captain Marvel.
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-06 12:34:06 PM  

kregh99: Sorry, but there's only one Captain Marvel.
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 475x695]


Hes Shazam now. They dropped the whole Captain Marvel name.
 
2013-11-06 12:38:35 PM  

yves0010: kregh99: Sorry, but there's only one Captain Marvel.
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 475x695]

Hes Shazam now. They dropped the whole Captain Marvel name.


Wait what? So does he change back and forth between his alter egos every time he tells someone his name?
 
2013-11-06 12:39:19 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: I'm all for creating a more diverse cast of heroes across Marvel, but I hate that they act like it's because of 'growing demographics.' Your readership is still over 90% male & the same people who have always read your comics. (Yeah, it's a study of DC readers but it's likely the same for Marvel) So basically, keep creating more diverse characters, but do it because it's interesting and offers new, good material, don't act like it's because you have some kind of new demographic to cater to.


It worked really well for Batman too.
 
2013-11-06 12:51:40 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: I'm all for creating a more diverse cast of heroes across Marvel, but I hate that they act like it's because of 'growing demographics.' Your readership is still over 90% male & the same people who have always read your comics. (Yeah, it's a study of DC readers but it's likely the same for Marvel) So basically, keep creating more diverse characters, but do it because it's interesting and offers new, good material, don't act like it's because you have some kind of new demographic to cater to.


Wouldn't that be neat if they actually created new characters?! Hey we need a black teenage superhero, let's make him Spiderman! Hey we need a new gay character! Let's make Colossus gay! Need to shoe horn in a female Muslim character? Lets move out one of the very rare female superheros and make her Muslim!


Dingleberry Dickwad: Here's what I want to know. Why does it matter what farking imaginary sky god a comics character prays to? Why is it even brought up at all other than a passing mention in a single issue somewhere down the line? Who gives a flying fark? Is it going to be a recurring part of the book and an actual important part of the character like Nightcrawler?


Don't forget Shazm and Thor
img13.imageshack.us
 
2013-11-06 12:57:47 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2013-11-06 01:07:19 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: No, no, I'm not saying to write to the audience in the least. What I'm saying is that they're doing the right thing but saying it's because of some growing demo that's nonexistent. Just say you're doing it because it makes for better, new stories. Don't lie about who your readership is.


I think we're in agreement, just looking at it from a slightly different perspective.  It may or may not be about exciting new stories, but it's definitely about who the readership is.  Or in this case, isn't, which is everyone but white males.  They've finally arrived at the idea that maybe, just maybe, the characters in a typical superhero comic aren't all that relatable (and therefore compelling) for wide swaths of people.

I don't think they're necessarily saying that this is for all that pent up demand for a female muslim superhero.  It's more aspirational, in that it might unlock a comic reading audience that previously didn't exist.

Now that said, nobody is really reading comics anymore, so it's a desperation ploy.  Maybe they should make the big budget blockbuster first, then write the comic books.
 
2013-11-06 01:11:46 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bareefer Obonghit: I'm all for creating a more diverse cast of heroes across Marvel, but I hate that they act like it's because of 'growing demographics.' Your readership is still over 90% male & the same people who have always read your comics. (Yeah, it's a study of DC readers but it's likely the same for Marvel) So basically, keep creating more diverse characters, but do it because it's interesting and offers new, good material, don't act like it's because you have some kind of new demographic to cater to.

Wouldn't that be neat if they actually created new characters?! Hey we need a black teenage superhero, let's make him Spiderman! Hey we need a new gay character! Let's make Colossus gay! Need to shoe horn in a female Muslim character? Lets move out one of the very rare female superheros and make her Muslim!


Thanks for showing that not only don't you read comics, you didn't even read this thread.  For the third freaking time now, nobody's being "moved out" to make room for the new Ms. Marvel; Carol Danvers "moved out" of that identity and into a new one more than a year ago.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-11-06 01:13:07 PM  
Ah, so this is why "Ms. Marvel" is trending on Yahoo.

I imagine the comments there will be full of intelligent, calm, reasoned debate.

\sorta like the Politics tab
 
2013-11-06 01:15:22 PM  

kregh99: Sorry, but there's only one Captain Marvel.
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 475x695]


He has that look of "Hey, you looking at my package?  Yeah, that's a nice package, isn't it?"
 
2013-11-06 01:21:25 PM  
Eh, they okayed the book just to show they are open-minded and multi-racial. This is going to be like any new character book they do. It'll be lucky to get 12 issues, but it might do well at first because of all the free press.
 
2013-11-06 01:40:41 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Thanks for showing that not only don't you read comics, you didn't even read this thread. For the third freaking time now, nobody's being "moved out" to make room for the new Ms. Marvel; Carol Danvers "moved out" of that identity and into a new one more than a year ago.


I actually read too many comics. But they should create more.


NuttierThanEver: I really hate the concept of different folks "taking over" as a hero except maybe for Green Lantern because that is more of a standard issue corps uniform than a unique identity.


Yeah like Nova. And Deadpool.....
 
2013-11-06 01:46:42 PM  
Marvel Comics is bringing Ms. Marvel back as a 16-year-old daughter of Pakistani immigrants living in Jersey City named Kamala Khan.

www.flixist.com
 
2013-11-06 02:02:23 PM  

Seequinn: minnesotaboy: Really? The takeaway from that headline is geek outrage? I took something else entirely...

[th03.deviantart.net image 850x394]
R.I.P Costume...

She hasn't worn that costume for a while, but that does bring up the question I was wondering:

What happens/happened to Carol Danver's?  Last I checked she was still the reigning Ms. Marvel.
Are the kicking her character to the curb yet again?  I haven't read much of her new title, but from
what I had, it was strong on the very kind of human interest and character development that they seem to have as a goal for this "new" title.


short version, she's been Captain Marvel, as a tribute to Mar-vell for the last year or so, so the Ms. Marvel name is free.
 
2013-11-06 02:05:56 PM  
Can we have Carol Danvers in a movie already?
 
2013-11-06 02:25:23 PM  

Son of Thunder: Marvel Comics is bringing Ms. Marvel back as a 16-year-old daughter of Pakistani immigrants living in Jersey City named Kamala Khan.

[www.flixist.com image 620x262]


That movie was an abomination in the Bond genre.
 
2013-11-06 02:31:39 PM  
Lest we forget:
3.bp.blogspot.com
/hot like a Galactus chili belch.
 
2013-11-06 03:13:18 PM  
However the new Ms. Marvel needs to be beaten with beatable shoes for not covering herself according to the Muslim religion.
 
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