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(BBC)   Virginia could be a telling sign of what's to come across America. "I didn't vote Republican this time, I wanted to make a point. We have to work together and they just want to block things. I vote both ways but I'm shifting, I have to"   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 186
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2013-11-06 09:42:36 AM
McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-b un dler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/
 
2013-11-06 10:04:40 AM
So, basically, what you're saying is that  Cuccinelli lost.
 
2013-11-06 10:11:09 AM
I thought Virginia had several democrat governors recently? Is this really a big deal or a big surprise?
 
2013-11-06 10:13:30 AM
I don't care how you spin it, it's huge that McAuliffe won in a traditionally red state on a major off-year. Yes, it was against the Tea Party and they aren't popular for shutting down the government recently, but this is a pretty big deal.
 
2013-11-06 10:15:31 AM

Pocket Ninja: So, basically, what you're saying is that  Cuccinelli lost.


Not if you check the statisticals. No, not just check them. Rub them, slowly. Just like that. Feel their weight, how big they are. Smell their musky aroma as you put one in your mouth and run your tongue all over it. Not too fast. Yea. Keep checking them and I promise you, you'll find McAuliffe didn't win, and you won't have statistcal juice all over your face. I promise.
 
2013-11-06 10:15:40 AM

ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-b un dler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/


hey - are you going to spam this in all the virginia threads?
 
2013-11-06 10:19:33 AM

Deedeemarz: I thought Virginia had several democrat governors recently? Is this really a big deal or a big surprise?


Virginia doesn't have a governor in office that's the same party as the president, at least that's been the case since the 70s
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-06 10:20:02 AM

ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-b un dler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/


And since it's from the Blaze, it's certain to be bullshiat.
 
2013-11-06 10:25:04 AM

bdub77: I don't care how you spin it, it's huge that McAuliffe won in a traditionally red state on a major off-year. Yes, it was against the Tea Party and they aren't popular for shutting down the government recently, but this is a pretty big deal.


According to CNN last night, history shows that Virginia swings back and forth in the majors.  They're not "traditionally" anything.  And cutting off people's livelihoods is not a minor thing - any hard right Republican is going to have a hard time in Northern Virginia for a while, I'd wager, and that's where half the votes are in Virginia.  I mean, the GOP shutdown is enough to offset the fact that the American electorate, by and large, has the hindsight of a gnat.  People in DC, Maryland and Virginia will not forget that for a while.
 
2013-11-06 10:27:31 AM

vpb: ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-b un dler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/

And since it's from the Blaze, it's certain to be bullshiat.


No, it's true. The guy did seriously push Sarvis. But, Joe Liemandt is a socially liberal libertarian. He's been one for, oh, as long as he's been donating to politicans. Sure, he raised money for Obama, because seriously, if you're a social and economic libertarian, Obama was probably the better choice over Romney. And in Virginia, of course he's going to donate against the dirtbag and the derpbag. Neither seem to fit with his politics.

But OMG he thinks blowjobs shouldn't be illegal, HE MUST BE A LIBERAL.
 
2013-11-06 10:27:39 AM

bdub77: I don't care how you spin it, it's huge that McAuliffe won in a traditionally red state on a major off-year. Yes, it was against the Tea Party and they aren't popular for shutting down the government recently, but this is a pretty big deal.


This. The GOP (more specifically recently, the Tea Party) tends to do better in more local, off-year elections and this time lost Virginia and saw the Tea Party candidate lose their primary in Alabama. Christie won in NJ, but that was pretty much a given and a sharp counterpoint to the TP acting like President Madagascar and shutting everything down as the article pointed out.
 
2013-11-06 10:27:55 AM

ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-b un dler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/


It's not Obama or McAuliffe's fault that Cuccinelli was such a bad candidate that his stench sent the money bags elsewhere. Maybe you guys should try a moderate candidate for a change instead of one that wants to institute a government based on Authoritarian Theocracy.
 
2013-11-06 10:31:03 AM

somedude210: Deedeemarz: I thought Virginia had several democrat governors recently? Is this really a big deal or a big surprise?

Virginia doesn't have a governor in office that's the same party as the president, at least that's been the case since the 70s


Gilmore was governor in 2001 after Bush took office. Caine was governor in 2009 after Obama took office.
 
2013-11-06 10:36:29 AM

ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....


2/10.

But if you're not trolling, I'll tell you what I told the Gore voters who whined about Ralph Nader:

Too farking bad. Your guy is not entitled to anybody's votes. Now go be whiny somewhere else.

Maybe if you challenge the party that wants to play Santa Claus with something other than the party that wants to play God, you'll get somewhere.
 
2013-11-06 10:36:41 AM
My teabagger Fb friends have stopped posting their nonstop purple-faced, spittle flecked rants, and poorly constructed strawman infographics.

This means something.

Or not.
 
2013-11-06 10:37:06 AM

ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler yadda yadda yadda

McAuliffe got more votes.


There, I fixed that for you, ya friggin' crybaby.
 
2013-11-06 10:37:41 AM
Why, yes - I am happy a libertarian candidate finally ruined an election for somebody.
 
2013-11-06 10:46:38 AM
BSABSV Democrat?
 
2013-11-06 10:47:11 AM

ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-b un dler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/


Better get used to it.  Cruz and Paul are going to be doing this to each other for the next two years.
 
2013-11-06 10:50:11 AM
Good.  I'm tired of Republicans.  Hopefully the Democrats aren't far behind them on the chopping block either though.
 
2013-11-06 10:50:21 AM

SurfaceTension: Gilmore was governor in 2001 after Bush took office. Caine was governor in 2009 after Obama took office.


were they elected prior to the president was elected? If so then the premise still stands (especially since VA gov is elected in off-off elections)

Was Caine the vet that later went on to be senator or rep or something? I remember he was pretty awesome
 
2013-11-06 10:54:37 AM
I "vote" both ways, too.  Sometimes I do the polling, sometimes I get polled.
 
2013-11-06 10:54:50 AM
picture caption from tfa: "For Cuccinelli supporters, defeat raises a number of questions"

For the party movers and shakers, yeah, of course, they'll have to one of these days. But for Cuccinelli supporters -- and please correct me if I'm wrong, if somebody personally knows tea party types better than I do -- I'm going to guess that questioning isn't a strong suit for most of them. I'm expecting more blame and recrimination and whining, like what we saw from our ferretman up there in el Weeners-o.
 
2013-11-06 10:57:30 AM
He's a social conservative accused by his opponents of wanting to bring back anti-sodomy laws and trying to make divorce more difficult.

"The Tea Party is about taxes.  And small government"

Same douchebag evangelicals, different name.
 
2013-11-06 10:57:43 AM
Well done, Fark filter. I don't think you used to recognize "primero".
 
2013-11-06 10:58:13 AM

FlashHarry: ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-b un dler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/

hey - are you going to spam this in all the virginia threads?


I guess if there is going to be 15 of these threads, the Modmins are kind of asking for it.
 
2013-11-06 10:59:52 AM

Deedeemarz: I thought Virginia had several democrat governors recently? Is this really a big deal or a big surprise?


To the GOP, yeah...it's a rather large surprise. Eventually they'll learn to move back to the center...or they keep losing.
 
2013-11-06 11:01:02 AM

ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....


I was watching the returns last night on MSNBC, and they mentioned that many, many times.
 
2013-11-06 11:03:50 AM
The problem with voting against the Republicans to "make a point" is that they inevitably miss that point entirely.

In fact, I wouldn't be shocked to learn that they eventually decide that the Cooch wasn't conservative enough.
 
2013-11-06 11:05:13 AM

somedude210: SurfaceTension: Gilmore was governor in 2001 after Bush took office. Caine was governor in 2009 after Obama took office.

were they elected prior to the president was elected? If so then the premise still stands (especially since VA gov is elected in off-off elections)

Was Caine the vet that later went on to be senator or rep or something? I remember he was pretty awesome


OK, wasn't clear on the "elected during" thing.

Webb was the vet. But he wasn't ever a governor. That was Mark Warner who was governor and went on to be Senator (and may be a strong candidate for Pres in 2016).
 
2013-11-06 11:06:25 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: The problem with voting against the Republicans to "make a point" is that they inevitably miss that point entirely.

In fact, I wouldn't be shocked to learn that they eventually decide that the Cooch wasn't conservative enough.


Sometimes one wishes you could make up stuff like this.
 
2013-11-06 11:10:06 AM

ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-b un dler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/


Lamestream LSM media

*drink*
 
2013-11-06 11:12:45 AM

ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-b un dler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/


That would have been a stupid strategy, considering exit polling shows Sarvis took MORE votes from votes that self identify as Liberal than Conservative:

img.fark.net
 
2013-11-06 11:16:16 AM

SurfaceTension: Eddie Adams from Torrance: The problem with voting against the Republicans to "make a point" is that they inevitably miss that point entirely.

In fact, I wouldn't be shocked to learn that they eventually decide that the Cooch wasn't conservative enough.

Sometimes one wishes you could make up stuff like this.


s3.amazonaws.com

They dug to derp
 
2013-11-06 11:26:38 AM
"Whew, Kaitlynn, I'm sure glad that terrible man with the hockey mask and machete who murdered all our friends on this high school camping trip is finally dead! We absolutely should turn our backs on the curiously-intact body and walk away slowly! Sure this movie has another eight minutes of running time, but I bet that's just set aside for us to have a sexy celebration of our inevitable permanent victory!"
 
2013-11-06 11:35:07 AM

ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-b un dler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/


http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/florida_republican_mo ne y_flows.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/state-politics/20100606-GOP- co nsultant-in-Arizona-pulls-strings-9939.ece?nclick_check=1

https://bangordailynews.com/2012/10/18/politics/brunswick-gop-leader -t akes-heat-for-sign-supporting-green-party-candidate/

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/us/politics/07candidates.html
 
2013-11-06 11:38:55 AM
img.fark.net
I just wanted to game this out
There were 2,221,100 total votes cast in the Gov. race.
According to the exit polls 22% ID as Liberal, 36% Conservative, and 44% moderate.
That means:
22% * 2.221mil = 488,642 liberal voters, of those 7% voted for Sarvis = 34,204 votes for Sarvis from Liberals
36% * 2.221mil = 799,596 conservative voters, of those 3% for Sarvis = 23,988 votes for Sarvis from Conservatives
44% * 2.221mil = 977,284 moderate voters, of those 10% for Sarvis = 97,728 votes for Sarvis from Moderates

For reference, that means by my math there should be 155,920 votes for Sarvis- actual election returns show he got 145,560 votes.  So Sarvis support was over-polled/over-represented by about 6%, near the margin of error.

Exit polls showed that Moderates broke 56/34 for McAulife, so we have
56% *  97,728 moderate voters who voted for Sarvis  = 54,727 "lost" votes from McAulife to Sarvis
34% * 97,728  moderate voters  who voted for Sarvis = 33,227 "lost" votes from Cucinelli to Sarvis

Final adjusted totals without Sarvis:
McAulife: 1,065,205 + 34,204 (liberals) + 54,727 (moderates) = 1,154,136
Cucinelli: 1,010,335  + 23,988 (conservatives) + 33,227 (moderates) = 1,067,550

Final margin without Sarvis:
2,221,686 total votes (compared to actual results of  2,221,100 votes cast, not bad!):
51.95% McAulife
48.05% Cucinelli
McAulife by 4%


So without Sarvis, Cuccinelli would have lost by 1.5% MORE than with him in the race.

That said, nitpick all my mistakes :)
 
2013-11-06 11:41:17 AM

bdub77: I don't care how you spin it, it's huge that McAuliffe won in a traditionally red state on a major off-year. Yes, it was against the Tea Party and they aren't popular for shutting down the government recently, but this is a pretty big deal.


It is big news.

Virginia went to Obama in both of the last two presidential elections. The 2008 election was the first time Virginia has gone to a democrat since... well, so farking long I can't actually tell you how long. The 1976-2004 presidential elections were all won by the republican presidential candidate, I do know that, so the first time in at least 30 years.

If anything, this shows that the dems winning Virginia with Obama wasn't a fluke or a result of a particularly charismatic candidate, but a new voting pattern for the state that will have national ramifications.

Underlying demographic shifts over the past decade, particularly in the growth of young professionals in the cities coupled with an actual population decline in some of the more rural areas, have altered a formerly red state into a state that is now voting reliably democrat.

These same shifts have also happened in Nevada and Colorado, and are part of the reason the democrats now enjoy an advantage in the electoral college, and will for foreseeable future.
 
2013-11-06 11:43:51 AM
The RIchest Man in Babylon:

. . .

So without Sarvis, Cuccinelli would have lost by 1.5% MORE than with him in the race.

That said, nitpick all my mistakes :)


I don't think it is nitpicking to point out that your hypothetical results are not properly skewed.
 
2013-11-06 11:47:29 AM
But you see, Cuccinelli would have won if it was a full moon and Mercury was in retrograde, and also ACORN so  if you unscew the polls, the GOP will take back the Senate in 2014 and when President Cruz is sworn in in 2015, you'll all be sorry you made fun of me.

Take that Libs.
 
2013-11-06 11:49:31 AM

phaseolus: up there in el Weeners-o.


O.o
 
2013-11-06 11:52:29 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The RIchest Man in Babylon:

. . .

So without Sarvis, Cuccinelli would have lost by 1.5% MORE than with him in the race.

That said, nitpick all my mistakes :)

I don't think it is nitpicking to point out that your hypothetical results are not properly skewed.


This.  You didn't account for the Muslim Brotherhood infiltration into the polling organizations.

Cuccinelli would have actually gotten 125% of the Sarvis vote.
 
2013-11-06 11:52:34 AM
But there is a reason hardline Republicans stand firm. Many of their supporters want them to hang tough. One man, selling bread and vegetables, told me: "I hope he wins, I don't want a Democrat in, the people in power now are extreme lefties, our country was founded on conservatism."  He does think the party needs to alter course, but not in the way most might mean. "The Republicans need to change - but they've been going left for ages, with McCain and all that. They've left their base behind."

Is this guy the world's best troll, or what?
 
2013-11-06 11:56:29 AM

ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-b un dler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/


Pocket Ninja: So, basically, what you're saying is that  Cuccinelli lost.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-06 11:57:15 AM
Paris ... ca. 1793

/ down wid it
 
2013-11-06 11:57:30 AM
the BBC is part of the liebral  lamestream  media conspiracy, don't listen to them you need even more conservative heroes to run for election, and compromise is what stupid hippy libtards do not baddass jesus following patriots.
 
2013-11-06 12:01:18 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Three Crooked Squirrels: The RIchest Man in Babylon:

. . .

So without Sarvis, Cuccinelli would have lost by 1.5% MORE than with him in the race.

That said, nitpick all my mistakes :)

I don't think it is nitpicking to point out that your hypothetical results are not properly skewed.

This.  You didn't account for the Muslim Brotherhood infiltration into the polling organizations.

Cuccinelli would have actually gotten 125% of the Sarvis vote.


And voter fraud.  All them damn lefties voting thirty to forty times EACH.
 
2013-11-06 12:02:09 PM

somedude210: Deedeemarz: I thought Virginia had several democrat governors recently? Is this really a big deal or a big surprise?

Virginia doesn't have a governor in office that's the same party as the president, at least that's been the case since the 70s


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-11-06 12:02:23 PM

ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-b un dler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/



i13.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-06 12:03:04 PM

ferretman: McAuliffe's win only happened because an Obama bundler provided money to the Libertarian candidate, DNC out spent the RNC ~$34 million to $14 million and it was still a razor thin victory. Dems/libs originally stated that McAuliffe would win in a landslide. No comments about that from MSM....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-b un dler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/


 I agree the GOP should move farther to the right and purge all those RINO's from the party, by force if necessary.
2014 will be in the bag, and if not just move farther to the right and 2016 will be a gimmie.
 
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