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2013-11-06 10:11:59 AM
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2013-11-06 10:13:56 AM
These losers couldn't hit 130 in the US?

They are obviously unfamiliar with our interstate highway system.

/losers
 
2013-11-06 10:20:44 AM
Is it me, or does driving 130 mph one handed while operating a cell phone camera seem a little dangerous?
 
2013-11-06 10:51:10 AM

Shostie: Is it me, or does driving 130 mph one handed while operating a cell phone camera seem a little dangerous?


Keep both hands on the wheel at all times and do not attempt to operate anything other than the automobile while driving.

That seems like a really simple guideline.
 
2013-11-06 11:10:24 AM

Shostie: Is it me, or does driving 130 mph one handed while operating a cell phone camera seem a little dangerous?


It's amateur level at best.

You're supposed to drive with 1 knee while operating a cell phone camera, reading the newspaper spread across the steering wheel, drinking coffee, smoking a cigarette and farking with your infotainment system.
 
2013-11-06 11:36:45 AM
Who uses hands to steer...that's why God invented knees.

/how else can I smoke and hold my cell phone while putting on make up and fiddling with my GPS.
 
2013-11-06 11:58:35 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Keep both hands on the wheel at all times and do not attempt to operate anything other than the automobile while driving.

That seems like a really simple guideline.


Nah, once you hit 100mph, the car basically drives itself! Haven't you guys ever seen NASCAR? There's ZERO skill involved. Anyone can do it, even a woman! (see Danica Patrick)
 
2013-11-06 12:05:32 PM
Service the pressure system?
 
2013-11-06 12:12:22 PM
I still want a Tesla. A lot.
 
2013-11-06 12:16:43 PM

Lonestar: Service the pressure system?


Service Tire Pressure System.

Cars made/sold in the US are required to have sensors in the tires, to monitor the tire pressure. If this fellow doesn't make a habit of travelling at this speed, there's a good chance that he temporarily swapped on some higher-speed tires to avoid a 130mph blowout. Those tires probably didn't have pressure sensors -- or if they did, the Tesla hadn't been told about them -- so the tire pressure system flags a warning.
 
2013-11-06 12:36:46 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Shostie: Is it me, or does driving 130 mph one handed while operating a cell phone camera seem a little dangerous?

It's amateur level at best.

You're supposed to drive with 1 knee while operating a cell phone camera, reading the newspaper spread across the steering wheel, drinking coffee, smoking a cigarette and farking with your infotainment system.


...not a CSB. At a spotlight, I looked to my right and saw a woman driving a minivan. Left hand on the steering wheel with a burning cigarette between two fingers. Right hand holding a cell phone up so she could read her texts or whatever. Small dog on her lap with its head out the window.
I could not believe my eyes.

/was happy I was making a left and she was going straight... cheers
 
2013-11-06 12:44:40 PM
I see what you did there, Subby...well played!
 
2013-11-06 12:52:13 PM

Shostie: Is it me, or does driving 130 mph one handed while operating a cell phone camera seem a little dangerous?


You are obviously not American. I've seen drivers Facetime while driving.
 
2013-11-06 12:56:37 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Shostie: Is it me, or does driving 130 mph one handed while operating a cell phone camera seem a little dangerous?

Keep both hands on the wheel at all times and do not attempt to operate anything other than the automobile while driving.

That seems like a really simple guideline.


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                NONSENSE!
 
2013-11-06 01:05:16 PM
A five second 60-100 is nothing to brag about.   Sports cars were doing that 30 years ago.   With half the power and much worse aerodynamics.   It seems like the only time this car can put out its full power is at speeds where traction control will drop the power to prevent wheelspin.    400 unachieveable hp.   Look, but don't touch.   It may be really fun in a burnout competition, or sliding it around corners around the neighborhood, but it would get spanked on a track day by souped up econoboxes.   Yeech.
 
2013-11-06 01:10:39 PM

wjllope: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Shostie: Is it me, or does driving 130 mph one handed while operating a cell phone camera seem a little dangerous?

It's amateur level at best.

You're supposed to drive with 1 knee while operating a cell phone camera, reading the newspaper spread across the steering wheel, drinking coffee, smoking a cigarette and farking with your infotainment system.

...not a CSB. At a spotlight, I looked to my right and saw a woman driving a minivan. Left hand on the steering wheel with a burning cigarette between two fingers. Right hand holding a cell phone up so she could read her texts or whatever. Small dog on her lap with its head out the window.
I could not believe my eyes.

/was happy I was making a left and she was going straight... cheers


Driving in spotlights are hardly safer.
 
2013-11-06 01:17:05 PM
"most German auto manufacturers limit their vehicles' top speeds to 250 kph (155 mph) as a result of an informal "gentlemen's agreement,"  "

This is of course BS. There is no agreement. They limit the speed because over that speed tire wear becomes extreme and dangerous.

Also from what I know (which might be nothing) the german cops will pull you over for going over 130 mph (about 200 kph) because while there is no speed limit in places there is a "safe for conditions" rule.
 
2013-11-06 01:19:53 PM

DubyaHater: Shostie: Is it me, or does driving 130 mph one handed while operating a cell phone camera seem a little dangerous?

You are obviously not American. I've seen drivers Facetime while driving.


I've seen drivers in Japan eating ramen with chopsticks while driving. Not even joking.
 
2013-11-06 02:00:01 PM

Jones_Boy: A five second 60-100 is nothing to brag about.   Sports cars were doing that 30 years ago.   With half the power and much worse aerodynamics.   It seems like the only time this car can put out its full power is at speeds where traction control will drop the power to prevent wheelspin.    400 unachieveable hp.   Look, but don't touch.   It may be really fun in a burnout competition, or sliding it around corners around the neighborhood, but it would get spanked on a track day by souped up econoboxes.   Yeech.


I'm pretty sure that has more to do with there only being one gear in the Tesla.

I don't know too many souped up econoboxes that do 0-60 in 3.9 and the quarter mile in 12.6. I guess if you add a turbo and nitrous, slicks, and tear out the interior, they'd have a chance.
 
2013-11-06 02:16:14 PM

Koodz: I've seen drivers in Japan eating ramen with chopsticks while driving. Not even joking.


LOL...me too, but then the max speed limit in greater Tokyo is only 60 kph iirc.
 
2013-11-06 02:17:57 PM

Jones_Boy: A five second 60-100 is nothing to brag about.   Sports cars were doing that 30 years ago.   With half the power and much worse aerodynamics.   It seems like the only time this car can put out its full power is at speeds where traction control will drop the power to prevent wheelspin.    400 unachieveable hp.   Look, but don't touch.   It may be really fun in a burnout competition, or sliding it around corners around the neighborhood, but it would get spanked on a track day by souped up econoboxes.   Yeech.


Derp.
 
2013-11-06 03:16:03 PM

MrSteve007: Jones_Boy: A five second 60-100 is nothing to brag about.   Sports cars were doing that 30 years ago.   With half the power and much worse aerodynamics.   It seems like the only time this car can put out its full power is at speeds where traction control will drop the power to prevent wheelspin.    400 unachieveable hp.   Look, but don't touch.   It may be really fun in a burnout competition, or sliding it around corners around the neighborhood, but it would get spanked on a track day by souped up econoboxes.   Yeech.

I'm pretty sure that has more to do with there only being one gear in the Tesla.

I don't know too many souped up econoboxes that do 0-60 in 3.9 and the quarter mile in 12.6. I guess if you add a turbo and nitrous, slicks, and tear out the interior, they'd have a chance.


Not a drag strip, a track.   Watkins glenn, pocono, laugna seca... you know.  The long things with turns where you need to accelerate at speed.   Sure, it can go 0-60 like a lightning bolt.   12.6 quarter at only 104mph shows it is getting the advantage on the first 1/8th.   Most cars would be 20mph quicker with a same time.   It has more power than you can put to the ground unless you are going very fast.    But when this car is going fast, the motor can't keep up and the performance drops into the average territory.   Add in the nearly 5,000 lbs curb weight, and this is only fun between traffic lights and making smoke/noise.   If someone pulls alongside one of these at highway speeds, it is in trouble.   It is a very nice car, and one of the fastest EVs out there, but if you are looking at performance for 100 grand, it comes up short.

Its time at laguna is between the Chevy Cobalt SS and the Ford Fiesta, by the way.
 
2013-11-06 04:10:50 PM

Jones_Boy: A five second 60-100 is nothing to brag about.   Sports cars were doing that 30 years ago.   With half the power and much worse aerodynamics.   It seems like the only time this car can put out its full power is at speeds where traction control will drop the power to prevent wheelspin.    400 unachieveable hp.   Look, but don't touch.   It may be really fun in a burnout competition, or sliding it around corners around the neighborhood, but it would get spanked on a track day by souped up econoboxes.   Yeech.


Oh yeah, was it 3D printed you Luddite?
 
2013-11-06 04:12:25 PM

Jones_Boy: A five second 60-100 is nothing to brag about.   Sports cars were doing that 30 years ago.   With half the power and much worse aerodynamics.   It seems like the only time this car can put out its full power is at speeds where traction control will drop the power to prevent wheelspin.    400 unachieveable hp.   Look, but don't touch.   It may be really fun in a burnout competition, or sliding it around corners around the neighborhood, but it would get spanked on a track day by souped up econoboxes.   Yeech.


Depends on the tires. With the Michelin 21's, you can turn off traction control and not spin. At least for the first 5000 or so miles of the tires.

Also, if you're doing track racing, there are a lot of other limitations that are more important than 60-100. Like how the battery dies in about 20 min or so during aggressive track driving or the fact that the thing is 4600+ lb.

But saying that being a mediocre track racing car makes its acceleration unimpressive is wholely ignorant. Nobody would covet an M6/M5 or S-class over an M3 or R8 were that the case.

The vast vast majority of users just want a good 0-60 or at the most 0-80 with a lot of torque. And the Model S gives you that more than anything else I've ever driven.
 
2013-11-06 04:23:19 PM

Stone Meadow: Koodz: I've seen drivers in Japan eating ramen with chopsticks while driving. Not even joking.

LOL...me too, but then the max speed limit in greater Tokyo is only 60 kph iirc.


Osaka too. It was still ridiculous.
 
2013-11-06 04:48:23 PM

Koodz: Stone Meadow: Koodz: I've seen drivers in Japan eating ramen with chopsticks while driving. Not even joking.

LOL...me too, but then the max speed limit in greater Tokyo is only 60 kph iirc.

Osaka too. It was still ridiculous.


True dat...and they're rolling along with about a meter and a half spacing in cars that are sometimes only a bit over 2 meters long.
 
2013-11-06 06:04:19 PM

Jones_Boy: A five second 60-100 is nothing to brag about.   Sports cars were doing that 30 years ago.   With half the power and much worse aerodynamics.   It seems like the only time this car can put out its full power is at speeds where traction control will drop the power to prevent wheelspin.    400 unachieveable hp.   Look, but don't touch.   It may be really fun in a burnout competition, or sliding it around corners around the neighborhood, but it would get spanked on a track day by souped up econoboxes.   Yeech.


And yet it is far more power than the average driver will need.

I drive too fast in my civic tbh.
 
2013-11-06 06:40:53 PM
Jones_Boy:

Its time at laguna is between the Chevy Cobalt SS and the Ford Fiesta, by the way.

That's a party on wheels my friend!
 
2013-11-06 07:32:16 PM
Infinite Torque = Infinite Acceleration

The only limit is making sure the crankshaft doesn't rip the axle out of the car.
 
2013-11-06 08:11:44 PM

blue_2501: Infinite Torque = Infinite Acceleration

The only limit is making sure the crankshaft doesn't rip the axle out of the car.


With the exception of Steve007, I might be the biggest EV enthusiast here, but I have to point out that Electric motors don't have infinite torque.  They do, however, have full torque at 0 RPM.  How much torque that is depends, in the case of AC motors, primarily on the controller and secondarily on the motor.

Full torque at 0 RPM is a very good thing, but it's not the same as infinite torque.
 
2013-11-06 11:56:41 PM
Such speeds can have a tremendously detrimental affect on the car's range, of course, as we found out in our own drive between Houston and Austin. Sticking close to the speed limit can yield close to the car's rated range of 265 miles; cruising at 80-90 mph can cut that by a third or even a half depending on accessory usage (heater, AC, and so on).
Call me when you've got that figured out. In the meantime I'll drive my V8 with only a 10 minute stop needed between driving ranges.
 
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