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(CBS New York)   For Democratic mayor-elect of NYC Bill de Blasio, his ambitious agenda will be progress for many New Yorkers indeed - but at what cost?   (newyork.cbslocal.com) divider line 40
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2013-11-06 10:22:06 AM
No, it's not going to go back to the bad old days just like that - the NYPD has acquired too many skills over the years for that to happen, and deBlasio will find out that all that surveillance and stop-n-frisking really was getting a shiatload of guns and dirtballs off the streets. I doubt there'll be any race-riotiing - Sonny Carson is dead, Al Sharpton fancies himself an elder statesman now, and Charles Barron has beclowned himself too many times.

The middle class will continue moving out of the city - only they'll leave the area altogether because the NYC suburbs aren't affordable either.

The state legislature isn't going to let DeBlaso have that big tax hike on rich folks, not without at the very least some horsetrading to give suburbanites a break from the MTA payroll tax.

Now that there's official one-party rule again in the city, expect corruption to blossom. Six Democratic (there aren't any other kind) members of the City Council will be hauled off on corruption charges and be replaced by six other Democrats.
 
2013-11-06 10:34:05 AM
He gave his "tale of two cities" speech in Park Slope?

That is certainly the nicer of the two.
 
2013-11-06 10:43:57 AM
The generations, how they forget.

Ah, New York City in the 1970s -- it was AWESOME!
 
2013-11-06 10:47:19 AM
What's the big deal? The Thunderdome could bring a lot of revenue into the city.
 
2013-11-06 10:47:21 AM
Gulper Eel: No, it's not going to go back to the bad old days just like that - the NYPD has acquired too many skills over the years for that to happen, and deBlasio will find out that all that surveillance and stop-n-frisking really was getting a shiatload of guns and dirtballs off the streets. I doubt there'll be any race-riotiing - Sonny Carson is dead, Al Sharpton fancies himself an elder statesman now, and Charles Barron has beclowned himself too many times.

Sharpton was never anything to begin with.  He built his reputation on a farking lie.  Barron will still be clownshoes.

The middle class will continue moving out of the city - only they'll leave the area altogether because the NYC suburbs aren't affordable either.

The state legislature isn't going to let DeBlaso have that big tax hike on rich folks, not without at the very least some horsetrading to give suburbanites a break from the MTA payroll tax.


I don't think I'd have a problem making that deal.  The windfall from a big tax hike for the rich could far outweigh giving suburbanites that break; the problem, of course, is making it transparent so that everybody sees it's working.

Now that there's official one-party rule again in the city, expect corruption to blossom. Six Democratic (there aren't any other kind) members of the City Council will be hauled off on corruption charges and be replaced by six other Democrats.

That was happening when Giuliani was Mayor and while Bloomberg's around, that's the one constant I can always point towards in this city: Dem City Council members getting hauled off to jail.
 
2013-11-06 10:49:34 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: The generations, how they forget.

Ah, New York City in the 1970s -- it was AWESOME!


I'm hoping more for a Detroit level of suck
 
2013-11-06 10:49:47 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: The generations, how they forget.

Ah, New York City in the 1970s -- it was AWESOME!


We got better movies out of that time, though. As long as you liked your reality gritty.
 
2013-11-06 10:50:32 AM
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2013-11-06 10:54:19 AM

Gulper Eel: No, it's not going to go back to the bad old days just like that - the NYPD has acquired too many skills over the years for that to happen, and deBlasio will find out that all that surveillance and stop-n-frisking really was getting a shiatload of guns and dirtballs off the streets. I doubt there'll be any race-riotiing - Sonny Carson is dead, Al Sharpton fancies himself an elder statesman now, and Charles Barron has beclowned himself too many times.

The middle class will continue moving out of the city - only they'll leave the area altogether because the NYC suburbs aren't affordable either.

The state legislature isn't going to let DeBlaso have that big tax hike on rich folks, not without at the very least some horsetrading to give suburbanites a break from the MTA payroll tax.

Now that there's official one-party rule again in the city, expect corruption to blossom. Six Democratic (there aren't any other kind) members of the City Council will be hauled off on corruption charges and be replaced by six other Democrats.


De Blasio, WTF is this guy's problem?
 
2013-11-06 10:54:56 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: The generations, how they forget.

Ah, New York City in the 1970s -- it was AWESOME!


I remember when Saturday Night Live's intro said the show was coming from "America's most dangerous city". Good times, good times.
 
2013-11-06 10:55:06 AM
Also, to answer subby's question: it will come at the cost of money.
 
2013-11-06 10:57:10 AM
Well, if he doesn't do something, the rich and very rich are going to find themselves stuck in NYC with the poor in public housing, a few hundred crazy cat ladies in rent-controlled apartments, and no middle class to serve them or do their bidding.
 
2013-11-06 11:01:49 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Well, if he doesn't do something, the rich and very rich are going to find themselves stuck in NYC with the poor in public housing, a few hundred crazy cat ladies in rent-controlled apartments, and no middle class to serve them or do their bidding.


Honestly, I won't mind at all if a few rich and very rich leave this city.  Didn't mind the gentrification move during Guiliani's administration but having hipsters and condos being put up in Williamsburg crossed the line with me.

/Yes I am serious
 
2013-11-06 11:04:48 AM
Yawn. He gives a good speech, but I don't see any indication that much will chance. The Bloomberg years were all about a constant sideshow of pet projects (smoking ban, food restrictions, bike programs, pedestrian zones, gun-o-phobia) with the main business being handouts to the real estate developers, with the predictable "business-friendly" results: Temporary jobs for a bunch of low-wage workers who have to live an hour and half away because of soaring rents and property values... Plenty of vibrant economic activity that doesn't do jack for the tax base because the big developers are subsidized by tax credits, displacing smalltime businesses that actual *were* paying taxing... General run-of-the-mill cronyism and sweatheart deals... Business as usual.

There'll be some variation in the sideshow acts, but the main program will chug along more or less the same. De Blasio is a real estate guy himself, and his spineless support of eminent domain abuse in the Atlantic Yards/Barclay's Center debacle shows his true colors here.
 
2013-11-06 11:06:15 AM

Gulper Eel: Now that there's official one-party rule again in the city, expect corruption to blossom. Six Democratic (there aren't any other kind) members of the City Council will be hauled off on corruption charges and be replaced by six other Democrats.


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2013-11-06 11:07:03 AM
So we are concerned that the prior methods of dealing with the rampant, horrible poverty that kept the city super safe and awesome for the "haves" might be undone?  How will the young ingenue feel safe waiting on the sidewalk to get into the ultra exclusive club where table service is waiting for her?  The horror!  THE HORROR!  It's not her fault that the bottom 20% is average less than 10K a year.  Can we just stop talking about it for now?  It's a total buzzkill.
 
2013-11-06 11:10:01 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Gulper Eel: Now that there's official one-party rule again in the city, expect corruption to blossom. Six Democratic (there aren't any other kind) members of the City Council will be hauled off on corruption charges and be replaced by six other Democrats.


They're gonna need a room in Gracie just for that kid's hair
 
2013-11-06 11:10:56 AM
I have nothing to add to this thread other than to state that Bill de Blasio's daughter is hot.  Do not tell me how old she is so that I may continue lying to myself.  Thank you.

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2013-11-06 11:15:51 AM

blackminded: I have nothing to add to this thread other than to state that Bill de Blasio's daughter is hot.  Do not tell me how old she is so that I may continue lying to myself.  Thank you.

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18, so rest easy.  She got to vote for dad.

Link
 
2013-11-06 11:21:27 AM

Gonz: HotIgneous Intruder: The generations, how they forget.

Ah, New York City in the 1970s -- it was AWESOME!

We got better movies out of that time, though. As long as you liked your reality gritty.


That had less to do with New York City being crap and more to do with Hollywood being so desperate to survive they let the creative types have control.
 
2013-11-06 11:31:02 AM

Gulper Eel: and Charles Barron has beclowned himself too many times.


I have the weirdest boner right now...
 
2013-11-06 11:34:13 AM
There was a ton of money given to all the Republican state senators so that the state legislature stays Republican and won't approve of de Blasio's tax hikes.  The unions will make bank because they have been holding out on new contracts for a few years since Bloomberg wouldn't cave to them and they hoped the next mayor would.  So the union workers have been getting 1-2% increases a year without a contract and the new contract will not only raise the annual % increase it will pay them what they would have made if the increases had gone into effect when the old contract expired.

While Bloomberg hasn't done everything well, he's done an amazing job funding everything the city does and keeping the books balanced.  If Albany won't raise taxes, public programs will struggle as more funds go to pay the union workers.  I have nothing wrong with city workers making a decent wage, but city employee salaries are out of control across the country.  To make the unions happy, mayors have given city workers larger and larger pensions to kick the can down the road.  We're finally hitting the point where it's too much, Detroit has struggled with it for years, Chicago is struggling with it, and NYC will struggle with it.  Something is wrong with a system where you can retire after 25-30 years with a pension equal to the average salary of your last 3 years.  And during those last 3 years, you work tons of overtime and cash in your saved up vacation days and retire at 50 with a pension larger than your base salary.  Supervisors allow you to work all the overtime because they want to pull the same trick and it's all part of the game.
 
2013-11-06 11:37:37 AM

Farnn: There was a ton of money given to all the Republican state senators so that the state legislature stays Republican and won't approve of de Blasio's tax hikes.  The unions will make bank because they have been holding out on new contracts for a few years since Bloomberg wouldn't cave to them and they hoped the next mayor would.  So the union workers have been getting 1-2% increases a year without a contract and the new contract will not only raise the annual % increase it will pay them what they would have made if the increases had gone into effect when the old contract expired.

While Bloomberg hasn't done everything well, he's done an amazing job funding everything the city does and keeping the books balanced.  If Albany won't raise taxes, public programs will struggle as more funds go to pay the union workers.  I have nothing wrong with city workers making a decent wage, but city employee salaries are out of control across the country.  To make the unions happy, mayors have given city workers larger and larger pensions to kick the can down the road.  We're finally hitting the point where it's too much, Detroit has struggled with it for years, Chicago is struggling with it, and NYC will struggle with it.  Something is wrong with a system where you can retire after 25-30 years with a pension equal to the average salary of your last 3 years.  And during those last 3 years, you work tons of overtime and cash in your saved up vacation days and retire at 50 with a pension larger than your base salary.  Supervisors allow you to work all the overtime because they want to pull the same trick and it's all part of the game.


Then move out of the city, go to the 'burbs, get a job there and pay less taxes, all the while collecting your pension from the city.  Fark that noise.

I'm all for the unions, but it's shiat like that that gives the RNC ammunition against all unions.
 
2013-11-06 11:46:33 AM

Farnn: Something is wrong with a system where you can retire after 25-30 years with a pension equal to the average salary of your last 3 years. And during those last 3 years, you work tons of overtime and cash in your saved up vacation days and retire at 50 with a pension larger than your base salary. Supervisors allow you to work all the overtime because they want to pull the same trick and it's all part of the game.


Just show us on this doll where the bad union man touched you.  It's OK...
 
2013-11-06 11:47:59 AM
The spread in the election results show a clear majority want to go in that direction.
Democracy at work
 
2013-11-06 12:16:42 PM

God_Almighty_Himself: Farnn: Something is wrong with a system where you can retire after 25-30 years with a pension equal to the average salary of your last 3 years. And during those last 3 years, you work tons of overtime and cash in your saved up vacation days and retire at 50 with a pension larger than your base salary. Supervisors allow you to work all the overtime because they want to pull the same trick and it's all part of the game.

Just show us on this doll where the bad union man touched you.  It's OK...


As much as the NYC union leaders and the rank and file want to cover their ears and yell "LALALAICANTHEARYOU!", here's what it boils down to:  Have a Democrat reform how you get your pension...or you get the Detroit option.
 
2013-11-06 12:25:13 PM
This time will be different. Communism will work this time!

Good luck with that.
 
2013-11-06 12:26:38 PM
My teabagger facebook friends are salivating at NYC turning into Detroit. They actually truly believe this will happen. The gentrification of NYC has gone too far for it to happen. Stop and frisk needs tweaking not banning, so we'll see what becomes of the policy. I doubt DeBlasio will flat out kill it off.

There are plenty of NYC millionaires, and they will stay put despite the tax hikes. Anyone who leaves needs to not be here in the first place and they are killing housing in NYC anyway.
 
2013-11-06 12:27:55 PM

monoski: The spread in the election results show a clear majority want to go in that direction.
Democracy at work


Shocking, I know. Next thing you'll know, we'll hear that the Egyptian people WANTED the Muslim Brotherhood to win after Mubarak was overthrown.
 
2013-11-06 12:28:09 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: My teabagger facebook friends are salivating at NYC turning into Detroit. They actually truly believe this will happen. The gentrification of NYC has gone too far for it to happen. Stop and frisk needs tweaking not banning, so we'll see what becomes of the policy. I doubt DeBlasio will flat out kill it off.

There are plenty of NYC millionaires, and they will stay put despite the tax hikes. Anyone who leaves needs to not be here in the first place and they are killing housing in NYC anyway.


All of this.
 
2013-11-06 12:29:52 PM

llortcM_yllort: Gonz: HotIgneous Intruder: The generations, how they forget.

Ah, New York City in the 1970s -- it was AWESOME!

We got better movies out of that time, though. As long as you liked your reality gritty.

That had less to do with New York City being crap and more to do with Hollywood being so desperate to survive they let the creative types have control.


All the more reason people should stop going to Michael Bay movies.

blackminded: I have nothing to add to this thread other than to state that Bill de Blasio's daughter is hot.  Do not tell me how old she is so that I may continue lying to myself.  Thank you.

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Girly is definitely making short shorts and her boob-emphasizing top work :)
 
2013-11-06 12:33:24 PM

God_Almighty_Himself: Farnn: Something is wrong with a system where you can retire after 25-30 years with a pension equal to the average salary of your last 3 years. And during those last 3 years, you work tons of overtime and cash in your saved up vacation days and retire at 50 with a pension larger than your base salary. Supervisors allow you to work all the overtime because they want to pull the same trick and it's all part of the game.

Just show us on this doll where the bad union man touched you.  It's OK...


So are you actually denying that public sector pensions are NOT an issue in the country right now (and for the last decade plus)?   Are you denying that the scenario doesn't happen on large scales?  The cities of Stockton, San Bernardino and San Jose would like to show you some accounting books, along with the State of California and Orange County as well.....The city of San Diego was "this" close to having to declard bankruptcy 10 FARKING years ago because of the pension mess created by both politicians AND unions.
 
2013-11-06 12:41:07 PM
It's amazing that people in NYC can be so concerned and resentful about civil servants and other government employees having a good wage and ample pensions for retirement. Remember those? Guess private sector workers should have fought harder to keep them. Just look around where you are. It's an elite playground for the global rich. You're swimming in money.
 
2013-11-06 12:45:56 PM

chevydeuce: God_Almighty_Himself: Farnn: Something is wrong with a system where you can retire after 25-30 years with a pension equal to the average salary of your last 3 years. And during those last 3 years, you work tons of overtime and cash in your saved up vacation days and retire at 50 with a pension larger than your base salary. Supervisors allow you to work all the overtime because they want to pull the same trick and it's all part of the game.

Just show us on this doll where the bad union man touched you.  It's OK...

So are you actually denying that public sector pensions are NOT an issue in the country right now (and for the last decade plus)?   Are you denying that the scenario doesn't happen on large scales?  The cities of Stockton, San Bernardino and San Jose would like to show you some accounting books, along with the State of California and Orange County as well.....The city of San Diego was "this" close to having to declard bankruptcy 10 FARKING years ago because of the pension mess created by both politicians AND unions.


He didn't deny. He use one of these http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-ridicule.html
 
2013-11-06 12:58:29 PM

Zeno-25: It's amazing that people in NYC can be so concerned and resentful about civil servants and other government employees having a good wage and ample pensions for retirement. Remember those? Guess private sector workers should have fought harder to keep them. Just look around where you are. It's an elite playground for the global rich. You're swimming in money.


I'll just leave this right here:

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2013-11-06 02:04:25 PM

chevydeuce: So are you actually denying that public sector pensions are NOT an issue in the country right now (and for the last decade plus)? Are you denying that the scenario doesn't happen on large scales?


I'm saying that if a garbage man retiring on $75k is going to break the bank, the city has bigger financial problems.  I understand, though, that some people abhor the idea of honest workers retiring with dignity.
 
2013-11-06 02:31:27 PM

God_Almighty_Himself: I'm saying that if a garbage man retiring on $75k is going to break the bank, the city has bigger financial problems. I understand, though, that some people abhor the idea of honest workers retiring with dignity.


The Long Island Rail Road disability fraud scandal would like a word with you.
 
2013-11-06 02:38:27 PM

Gulper Eel: God_Almighty_Himself: I'm saying that if a garbage man retiring on $75k is going to break the bank, the city has bigger financial problems. I understand, though, that some people abhor the idea of honest workers retiring with dignity.

The Long Island Rail Road disability fraud scandal would like a word with you.


And those were just the ones that were caught. Tip of the iceberg.
 
2013-11-06 03:33:35 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: Gulper Eel: God_Almighty_Himself: I'm saying that if a garbage man retiring on $75k is going to break the bank, the city has bigger financial problems. I understand, though, that some people abhor the idea of honest workers retiring with dignity.

The Long Island Rail Road disability fraud scandal would like a word with you.

And those were just the ones that were caught. Tip of the iceberg.


As I stated earlier, I'm as pro-union as anybody.  The unions however don't help their cause when either the rank-and-file, the leadership or BOTH get caught doing crap like that.  It makes them an easy target for Republicans to point as to the "flaws" in the pension funds.

Either the unions get their house in order or the next Scott Walker might come along and do it for them in a way they'll hate.
 
2013-11-06 04:05:04 PM
Just read that the day de Blasio takes over, there is a $2 Billion deficit already waiting for him to figure out what to with, while also wanting to give free unicorns and gumdrops to everybody.  It will be interesting to watch that play out.
 
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