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2013-11-06 09:12:46 AM  
This is great! Now our ex-cons can go to casinos without violating their parole...
 
2013-11-06 09:40:26 AM  
Talk about "mob rule"
 
2013-11-06 09:44:55 AM  
Will make the intimidation and skim so much easier, less travel time

www.midnightreview.co.uk
 
2013-11-06 09:45:29 AM  
Boo
 
2013-11-06 09:48:15 AM  
I wonder at what point the casino market becomes over-saturated.  If every other town has a casino, it will be hard for all of them to make a profit.
 
2013-11-06 09:51:03 AM  
Read the details though:  It's crony capitalism giving exclusive licenses and such.  Just farking make it either legal or illegal.
 
2013-11-06 09:54:32 AM  
Let me guess, no free drinks, and no smoking anywhere on property.  I'll pass.
 
2013-11-06 09:59:10 AM  

under a mountain: Let me guess, no free drinks, and no smoking anywhere on property.  I'll pass.


I'm sure they'll make exceptions since they have to compete with the Casinos on the reservations.
 
2013-11-06 10:02:16 AM  

BiffDangler: Read the details though:  It's crony capitalism giving exclusive licenses and such.  Just farking make it either legal or illegal.


The whole thing is a gift to the resort companies and cuomo and has been pretty slimy in how to was pushed through.  Although, this being NY politics, it is unsurprising.

As for the details here is the language of the initiative after it was illegally changed.

The proposed amendment to section 9 of article 1 of the Constitution would allow the Legislature to authorize up to seven casinos in New York State for the legislated purposes of promoting job growth, increasing aid to schools, and permitting local governments to lower property taxes through revenues generated.

Job Growth, School Aid AND Lower Taxes?!?  This is better than my sure fire roulette strategy; it is impossible to lose!
 
2013-11-06 10:14:01 AM  

wxboy: I wonder at what point the casino market becomes over-saturated.  If every other town has a casino, it will be hard for all of them to make a profit.


Umm, no.

BTW, casino profit is not the goal line, tax collection, skim, and leverage are .
 
2013-11-06 10:29:21 AM  
Aaaaaaand that's the final nail in the coffin for Atlantic City.  That place won't be able to survive on just locals and daytripping retirees from Philadelphia.  They're going to lose the DC business when the Maryland casinos open in 1-2 years.
 
2013-11-06 10:54:02 AM  
I voted against it.

Casinos are not engines of economic development. They don't produce anything or spur growth of other local businesses. In fact, by encouraging people to stay within the confines of the casino for their whole stay, they hurt other locally-owned dining and entertainment options.

They suck money out of local communities, rather than pulling money in. I speak as a proud native of upstate, but casinos in the middle of upstate are never going to be a destination for tourists around the country. They can already go to Vegas, they're not going to go to Binghamton. Instead, the only people going to (and losing money at) these casinos, are going to be the locals. It's a net loss for the local community.

I don't by the argument about government revenues for schools, property tax reduction, etc. If casinos are about sources of public funding, then we are using them like a tax, but mostly it's a tax on the poor and the desperate, and addicts. It's about the most regressive type of tax you can think of. Surely we can think of more progressive methods of raising money to fund schools.
 
2013-11-06 10:56:41 AM  
Not spiffy, sad.
 
2013-11-06 11:14:57 AM  

Doc Daneeka: I voted against it.

Casinos are not engines of economic development. They don't produce anything or spur growth of other local businesses. In fact, by encouraging people to stay within the confines of the casino for their whole stay, they hurt other locally-owned dining and entertainment options.

They suck money out of local communities, rather than pulling money in. I speak as a proud native of upstate, but casinos in the middle of upstate are never going to be a destination for tourists around the country. They can already go to Vegas, they're not going to go to Binghamton. Instead, the only people going to (and losing money at) these casinos, are going to be the locals. It's a net loss for the local community.

I don't by the argument about government revenues for schools, property tax reduction, etc. If casinos are about sources of public funding, then we are using them like a tax, but mostly it's a tax on the poor and the desperate, and addicts. It's about the most regressive type of tax you can think of. Surely we can think of more progressive methods of raising money to fund schools.



Yea, and all those methods rely on emptying Congress first.
 
2013-11-06 11:16:36 AM  
Andrew Cuomo has never answered the essential question ..

"Where the missing $59 billion, Andy?"

That's $59 Billion, with a B
 
2013-11-06 11:20:26 AM  
Casinos are a tax on poor stupid people, who are already poor because they're stupid. But at least they'll attract even more crime and political corruption.
 
2013-11-06 11:22:28 AM  

Oblio13: Casinos are a tax on poor stupid people, who are already poor because they're stupid. But at least they'll attract even more crime and political corruption.



So, from a moral perspective, which is a better way to shear the sheeple?

Some low level reptilian brain play, or just stealing it outright?
 
2013-11-06 11:28:18 AM  

wxboy: I wonder at what point the casino market becomes over-saturated.  If every other town has a casino, it will be hard for all of them to make a profit.


Delaware casinos are already getting hammered by the competition from PA.

It's only a matter of time before we start subsidizing them with our tax dollars.
 
2013-11-06 11:32:02 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: wxboy: I wonder at what point the casino market becomes over-saturated.  If every other town has a casino, it will be hard for all of them to make a profit.

Delaware casinos are already getting hammered by the competition from PA.

It's only a matter of time before we start subsidizing them with our tax dollars.



And we have a WINNER!
 
2013-11-06 11:42:32 AM  

snocone: Marcus Aurelius: wxboy: I wonder at what point the casino market becomes over-saturated.  If every other town has a casino, it will be hard for all of them to make a profit.

Delaware casinos are already getting hammered by the competition from PA.

It's only a matter of time before we start subsidizing them with our tax dollars.


And we have a WINNER!


Yep, see the Revel in NJ
 
2013-11-06 11:43:29 AM  
Doc Daneeka: Casinos are not engines of economic development. They don't produce anything or spur growth of other local businesses. In fact, by encouraging people to stay within the confines of the casino for their whole stay, they hurt other locally-owned dining and entertainment options.

I don't see how it's going to hurt, to a significant degree, the existing local businesses when a large portion of the casinos' customers are going to likely be comprised of people who wouldn't visit that town/city anyway.

I've been to Turning Stone several times on the weekends.  I usually go through Canastota and get gas, eat a meal, get something from the convenience store, or something like that.  No, I'm not going to revolutionize the economy there with my activity, but I would guess that the stores and restaurants appreciate the business of people passing through who otherwise wouldn't waste their time visiting that podunk town.

I'd hate to think that there are people who would say, "No, you shouldn't be allowed to go to Turning Stone and watch a concert, hang out at a bar, and shoot dice because that might hurt the Ma & Pa Diner and the local theater."

They suck money out of local communities, rather than pulling money in. I speak as a proud native of upstate, but casinos in the middle of upstate are never going to be a destination for tourists around the country. They can already go to Vegas, they're not going to go to Binghamton. Instead, the only people going to (and losing money at) these casinos, are going to be the locals. It's a net loss for the local community.

In that case, let them spend their money and build the places, let them fail, and then you can come back and say, "I told you so!"
 
2013-11-06 11:45:30 AM  

Doc Daneeka: I voted against it.

Casinos are not engines of economic development. They don't produce anything or spur growth of other local businesses. In fact, by encouraging people to stay within the confines of the casino for their whole stay, they hurt other locally-owned dining and entertainment options.

They suck money out of local communities, rather than pulling money in. I speak as a proud native of upstate, but casinos in the middle of upstate are never going to be a destination for tourists around the country. They can already go to Vegas, they're not going to go to Binghamton. Instead, the only people going to (and losing money at) these casinos, are going to be the locals. It's a net loss for the local community.

I don't by the argument about government revenues for schools, property tax reduction, etc. If casinos are about sources of public funding, then we are using them like a tax, but mostly it's a tax on the poor and the desperate, and addicts. It's about the most regressive type of tax you can think of. Surely we can think of more progressive methods of raising money to fund schools.


I voted no for the same reasons as you.  There are many direct flights to Vegas from Albany and other upstate NY cities.
 
2013-11-06 11:45:34 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: It's only a matter of time before we start subsidizing them with our tax dollars.


NY already entered the gambling business with OTB.  Not only did it become a bastion for political patronage jobs, it failed miserably.  Only the government can screw up the wet-dream of revenue that gambling is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-collins/new-york-city-otb-finis he _b_798164.html
 
2013-11-06 11:56:46 AM  

wxboy: I wonder at what point the casino market becomes over-saturated.  If every other town has a casino, it will be hard for all of them to make a profit.


It's a zero sum game unless they get people from outside the state to come gamble and lose money.

Even then, you only need to visit Atlantic City to see that all the casino profits are sucked out of the city to Wall Street corporations that own them.
 
2013-11-06 12:00:37 PM  

Lance Russell's Nose: Doc Daneeka: Casinos are not engines of economic development. They don't produce anything or spur growth of other local businesses. In fact, by encouraging people to stay within the confines of the casino for their whole stay, they hurt other locally-owned dining and entertainment options.

I don't see how it's going to hurt, to a significant degree, the existing local businesses when a large portion of the casinos' customers are going to likely be comprised of people who wouldn't visit that town/city anyway.

I've been to Turning Stone several times on the weekends.  I usually go through Canastota and get gas, eat a meal, get something from the convenience store, or something like that.  No, I'm not going to revolutionize the economy there with my activity, but I would guess that the stores and restaurants appreciate the business of people passing through who otherwise wouldn't waste their time visiting that podunk town.

I'd hate to think that there are people who would say, "No, you shouldn't be allowed to go to Turning Stone and watch a concert, hang out at a bar, and shoot dice because that might hurt the Ma & Pa Diner and the local theater."

They suck money out of local communities, rather than pulling money in. I speak as a proud native of upstate, but casinos in the middle of upstate are never going to be a destination for tourists around the country. They can already go to Vegas, they're not going to go to Binghamton. Instead, the only people going to (and losing money at) these casinos, are going to be the locals. It's a net loss for the local community.

In that case, let them spend their money and build the places, let them fail, and then you can come back and say, "I told you so!"


I watched an episode of "hard core pawn" where the owners son complained about the casino in Detriot just taking the poor people's money.
 
2013-11-06 12:03:15 PM  

mcreadyblue: Even then, you only need to visit Atlantic City to see that all the casino profits are sucked out of the city to Wall Street corporations that own them


^ This.  Casinos are only legal now because they're owned by large corporations.
 
2013-11-06 12:03:16 PM  

Lance Russell's Nose: Doc Daneeka: Casinos are not engines of economic development. They don't produce anything or spur growth of other local businesses. In fact, by encouraging people to stay within the confines of the casino for their whole stay, they hurt other locally-owned dining and entertainment options.

I don't see how it's going to hurt, to a significant degree, the existing local businesses when a large portion of the casinos' customers are going to likely be comprised of people who wouldn't visit that town/city anyway.


That's the part I disagree with.  I would say that the lion's share of the casino's customer's are going to be people from the local community.

Tourists aren't going to go flocking to small towns in upstate New York to gamble in casinos.  Especially once they are all over the place.
 
2013-11-06 12:23:36 PM  
Voted against this. NY doesn't need casinos and if this is an Indian gambling thing, there are very mixed benefits Indian casinos give back to their communities.
 
2013-11-06 12:48:05 PM  

BiffDangler: Read the details though:  It's crony capitalism giving exclusive licenses and such.  Just farking make it either legal or illegal.


DING!

Gambling legislation in this country is the most in-your-face example of for-profit hypocrisy governance.
 
2013-11-06 01:05:35 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Voted against this. NY doesn't need casinos and if this is an Indian gambling thing, there are very mixed benefits Indian casinos give back to their communities.


It's not.  The Indians already have casinos in many parts of the states.

This is about allowing the state to award licenses to operate casino to non-Indians, and outside of reservations.
 
2013-11-06 02:11:32 PM  

IRQ12: BiffDangler: Read the details though:  It's crony capitalism giving exclusive licenses and such.  Just farking make it either legal or illegal.

DING!

Gambling legislation in this country is the most in-your-face example of for-profit hypocrisy governance.



Such big words for a license to steal.
 
2013-11-06 09:19:37 PM  
I voted yes so I can open a pawn shop for all the stupid people.
 
2013-11-06 11:03:46 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Tourists aren't going to go flocking to small towns in upstate New York to gamble in casinos.  Especially once they are all over the place.


Tell that to the 21 casinos in Iowa, the 40 in S Dakota, the 20 in Wisconsin, the 33 in Mississippi...

Now to be honest, I don't know if it's TOURISTS that are flocking there to gamble, stay in the hotels, and all that.
 
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